Just wondering what the quality of Canfields are like? Also AFR? Trick Flow? Dart?

See my post again in the thread on the Jeg's heads, the Canfields are fine. Take a peek at the link to the photos of them in progress I took years ago. 305 cfm @ 28" at .700" with a 210cc port. What more could a person want!

We`ve used all of them. If I were to rank them based on what I`ve seen, the AFR heads are at the top.
The casting is solid in fact our AFR 195`s weighed 7 Lbs more than the Darts we took off. That`s each BTW! that`s alot of aluminum. The only issue I had with them is that you can`t use a 6 point socket in three places on each head to torque them down. :(
The Canfield heads are nice right out of the box the Darts are too.
The Trick Flows were real ugly but to be fair they were the early version of the G2 when they were $795 a pair complete

Somebody like Wolfplace or Steve Oldani would be more qualified to comment further as this is just my limited subjective opinion

I don't use any of the Trick Flows but I think all of the heads are getting better.
I agree completly, AFR is at the top of the pile & will rival most of the others after they have had professional porting right out of the box. ;)
Tony has been redesigning the whole SB line & I beleive everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the numbers when he is done & they are pretty damn good now ;)
That along with a .750 thick deck make them the best out of the box deal going.
As always,, just my opinions :D

My TFS 195 heads were pretty nice right out of the box. Bought them 3 years ago and they are still running strong. I did clean up some very minor castings irregularities in the bowl, but it was nothing that hurt flow really. They have heald up quite nicely.

Never worked with Canfield or AFR . . . but I will say the TFS were much nicer than some Dart Iron Eagles I worked on. A lot better than Dart Pro 1s too.

The Pro Topline 200cc aluminums actually had the nicest looking ports of any that I've messed with in quite some time. That was suprising since they are so inexpensive. My friend's 327 picked up .4 secs in the 1/4 going from 200cc Dart Iron Eagles to 200cc ProToplines and a smaller cam.

Well i know you didnt ask specifically about them but the Brodix are Excellent castings and came port matched and bowl blended. I would recommend them to anyone.

Hey Nickel 3333 what do those Brodix RR200's flow? What do the ports look like (tall and narrow, short and wide, etc)? and did you take the valves out and look at the bowls and guide bosses?

They are kinda new (at least I haven't heard much about them other than from you) and they might be a pretty decent option if the price is good.

I have the dart 310cc heads for my BBC, and I was completely happy with the heads that came complete. I had my machinist take them apart and test each spring and check the valve guide clearences and such everything came out perfect.

Originally posted by Eric68:
Hey Nickel 3333 what do those Brodix RR200's flow? What do the ports look like (tall and narrow, short and wide, etc)? and did you take the valves out and look at the bowls and guide bosses?

They are kinda new (at least I haven't heard much about them other than from you) and they might be a pretty decent option if the price is good. -
Eric,
Here ya go smile.gif
This is an excerpt from an email I sent to Nickel.

These are a set I dynoed on a very mild hyd cam 10.0 350 & sent back to Brodix for the CNC chamber option.

Here's the before & after numbers after the cnc chamber option from my bench & the numbers Brodix sent me from their bench after doing them. They didn't send ex numbers.

My bench
--------in------------ex--------Brodix#
.050 - 31.8-34 / 26.5-26.5 -------- 45
.100 - 63.5-67 / 52.6-63.4 -------- 71
.200 - 113-134 / 91-114 ---------- 137.5
.300 - 167.5-195 / 135-163.6 ----- 196
.400 - 220-243 / 165.6-181 ------- 244
.500 - 248.6-266 / 181-188.6 ----- 265
.600 - 267.5-270 / 191-193 ------- 271.5

This is on this set of heads after they did the chambers.

The engine picked up about 20 ft lbs & 30hp from the unported chambers all else the same.
All in all I think the heads are too big for this engine (350)so it isn't a real fair test of the heads. I think they will kick ass on a higher rpm 350 or a good 383 or 400 though!!

If you are wanting a set or just want prices, email me. I should be able to save you a few dollars on them ;)

Thanks for all of the input. I have been looking at lower lift flow numbers and intake vs. exhaust.

How do you get that kind of gain just in the chamber? There must be bad swirl and tumble or shrouding before the operation, no? :confused:

Yeah Eric those numbers are VERY close to the ones Brodix sent me in June. I got mine before they even started advertising them {got lucky talking to one of there techs}. I need to do some track testing but im 100% confident they were the right choice. Plus the .200-.400 lift numbers are better than alot of smaller runner heads so you know port velocity is good. BUT the down side is they are kind of pricey. But you get what you pay for. I got CNC chambers milled to 60 CC, 2.055/ 1.6 valves, titanium retainers, severe duty valves, springs press is set at 140/360, 10* locks, the bowl work was definately good, the port match was also good but was matched to a 1206 Fel-Pro wich i thought was odd for a 200cc set of heads but Brodix said it was right. I paid 1,600 that includes tax and shipping. BUT then i dissassembeled the heads and made sure everything was correct {wich it wasnt} but after some phone time i got everything straight and Brodix was ultimately good to me. But if you or anyone else get them assembeled i would HIGHLY advise that you take them apart and lube the guides. I was not pleased with there little B.S. drop of oil. Also make sure they put seals on the exaust side . Mine did not have them and i made them send me them.
I know DD2K dosent mean much but after i get my new Cam from Lunatidyne it has me at 544hp @ 7500, and 460 ft/lbs at 5500 making over 400 ft/lbs from 4000 up {not bad for a little old 350 eh?} so in my 3300lb car im hoping real low 11's are realistic with some good shifting i guess well see next season graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Originally posted by ejrempel:
How do you get that kind of gain just in the chamber? There must be bad swirl and tumble or shrouding before the operation, no? :confused: -
The chamber especially around the valves effects the flow numbers huge on these heads as well as most heads. The entrance & exits to the valve seats are especially important to low / mid lift flow & unshrouding will normally help everywhere. ;)

BTW, that "little drop of oil" isn't oil, it is an assembly lube that Brodix uses that looks thin but works quite well ;)

Thanks for the info on the heads. I suppose 240 @ .500 is decent, but I'd probably spend the cash on some AFRs if I was forking out $1600. Although in all fairness I wonder what the RR200s cost without all the fancy CNC chambers, titanium retainers, etc.

Originally posted by Eric68:
Thanks for the info on the heads. I suppose 240 @ .500 is decent, but I'd probably spend the cash on some AFRs if I was forking out $1600. Although in all fairness I wonder what the RR200s cost without all the fancy CNC chambers, titanium retainers, etc. Eric,
email me if you want prices on the heads. ;)

Well Wolf for nothing more than peace at mind i couldnt assemble them with that "oil."
Eric, the chambers were 150 dollar option and i wouldnt bother with the heads without them, i assume the only reason they sell them without the chambers done is for somone to finish them professionally. The titanium retainer option was somthing like 75 bucks i think, angle milling/ correcting the intake face was 150 bucks tax and shipping was around 100 i think. So the price i guess was somthing like 1,200 bucks.

So I'm think I'm narrowing it down to AFR. But the wait is 6-8 weeks. Yuck. I like the options discussed here and the Brodix with CNC'd chambers also look good. AFR though has the best low and early mid lift numbers out of the box it looks like. Some clean up and should be perfect for a tough street sometimes strip 400. run a 3000 lock up stall, 3.73 or so gears. Put her in our 66 Station wagon and have fun.

Originally posted by Nickel333:
Well Wolf for nothing more than peace at mind i couldnt assemble them with that "oil."
Eric, the chambers were 150 dollar option and i wouldnt bother with the heads without them, i assume the only reason they sell them without the chambers done is for somone to finish them professionally. The titanium retainer option was somthing like 75 bucks i think, angle milling/ correcting the intake face was 150 bucks tax and shipping was around 100 i think. So the price i guess was somthing like 1,200 bucks. -
Yea, first time I saw the "oil" I thought what the hell so I asked them about it.
Gotta agree, you don't want to get them without the CNC chamber option, it's a huge deal..

But,,,,, for $1200 I will start buying them from you instead of Brodix & I am a dealer graemlins/clonk.gif :D

Hey Wolf call my guy in cedar rapids and you might be able to but i dont know if hed ship to cali without some extra $$$ if you want his name and number email me at Wahawk065@mchsi.com ill give it to you. I just dug up the recipt if you dont believe me. The assembeled heads with ALL that work done to them total was $1538.00 with tax and shipping $1647.82 if you take out the angle mill/correction of intake face, CNC chambers, titanium retainers and shipping how much is it? between 1200-1300 bucks. Maybe we can talk business eh Mike???

Hi Nick,
That's ok we are already a WD for Brodix so we pay the same as he does ;)
Anyway,,here is the pricing on the heads from Brodix:
The 67cc Race Rites are $1501.00 with steel retainers & $1611.00 with Titanium.
The 64cc's are $1701.00 with steel retainers & $1811.00 with Titanium
The CNC option is $150.
My pricing to customers is a fair amount less than this :D