ChevroletR
Mar 27th, 08, 9:43 PM
Alright so here goes...I also posted on ChevyTalk to see what I can come up with. Sorry it's going to be long, but I'm throwing out all the information that I think is related that will just be asked of me anyway. I'll try to split it up.
My 383 is now three years old I built. It has less than 10,000 miles on it. (Not sure exactly because speedometer is a wee bit off) I put in all new internals including SRP Forged Pistons, PBM File fit my own rings The only thing that really isn't new is the Edelbrock Performer RPM intake that I bought used from a friend for dirt cheap. I'm running a Moroso 7 quart oil pan with built in windage tray and scraper with only a M-55 non-high volume oil pump and a really expensive (ouch) Milodon dipstick. My Monte has power brakes with an AC Delco master cylinder that's about 1 1/2 years old. I did most of my own head work including a three-angle valve job at school, port matching, (pockets were already ported) cut my valve spring seats for larger springs, and set my own valve spring height. The heads had new bronze valve guides installed by a very reputable machine shop, who also did all the machine work to my block (bore, splayed caps, line-bored, decked, freeze plugs, cam bearings, balancing, etc) The valve seals I'm using are ones he recommended because he said the posi-lock ones that I bought will actually keep my valves too dry.
The problem I'm having is that when I pulled my plugs for the first time after maybe 1000 (maybe more, maybe less) miles, only the rear four plugs were severely oil fouled! (Cylinders 5, 6, 7 and 8) I'm talking crusted on with solid oil or whatever it was so the gap of the plug was next to nothing! I showed my teacher and he suggested my vacuum modulator since the vacuum for it comes from the rear of the intake. Sure enough, I checked my trans level when it was hot and it was pretty overfilled which I thought would cause the modulator to suck up trans fluid and burn it. So I drained what I could from the hole of the vacuum modulator and the trans fluid level is where it should be now. I even bought a new B&M modulator just to make sure my old one wasn't bad. I changed the plugs and along I went.
I was also having some oil pan leaking issues at the time so I thought that was a cause for some oil loss. After I took care of the oil pan leaking, I still noticed the rear four spark plugs were getting fouled, but not as bad, and it was still using some oil...and still is to this day. I figured the spark plugs were getting fouled still because of maybe some residual trans fluid in lines...I don't know! I probably add about 1/2 quart every couple hundred miles. Which is a shame because I'm running 10w-40 AMSOIL! And we all know that's not cheap.
The spark plug fouling is much better, still barely a little evidence of oil contamination. Still using oil though. When I was home for spring break I put a vacuum gauge on it and it has about 15'' at idle and doesn't flutter around like any mechanical issue. I would think vacuum is a good sign of cylinder seal. I know, I should have checked compression too, and leak down, but I didn't have the time and now I'm back up here at school and won't be able to check it again until May.
What I was wondering was has anybody seen a cracked intake or intake gasket issue where it could suck up oil? If so, would the vacuum tell me this or would the oil be a thick liquid seal? I port-matched my heads and might of made the gap between ports a little thin, is there any possibility of ingesting oil there?
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q267/ChevroletR/383Assy020-1.jpg
Now that I went through Airflow class, I think about the way a dual plane intake is setup...One half goes to cylinders 1,4,7, and 6 and the other half goes to cylinders 2,3,5, and 8. If you don't believe it, this may help:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q267/ChevroletR/PerformerRPM-1.jpg
Therefore how could the manifold suck up trans fluid or brake fluid (a leaky rear seal in the master cylinder into the power booster) and only foul spark plugs 5, 6, 7, and 8??? I don't think that would be an issue...
I also installed this fancy dipstick from Milodon when I built my engine: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autof...
and it never came with any type of oil level indicator mark! It's been so long that I don't remember how I marked it exactly if I just put it back to back with the original dipstick and marked it (which doesn't quite ring a bell because chances are they aren't the exact same lengths) But then again I don't think I removed the old dipstick and put the new one in while there was oil in the pan and marked where it was from looking at the one I pulled out because I'm pretty sure I installed it while the block was still on the stand (cause it was a pain in the a$$ to get in). So like I said, I'm not sure what exactly I used to reference my mark, but is it possible that I'm just putting too much oil in it and it's burning it? I know I can probably check this by draining the oil and filling it up, but even though the oil pan I have is a 7 quart, does that mean that it should hold 7-7 1/2 quarts of oil with filter? I don't know how much I initially put in, but it was around 7.
I'm sure there's a lot more I can add to this that I can't think of right now and there's a lot of checks I should be doing (compression/leak down/tearing the intake off) but the car is 650 miles away and I won't see it until May...just trying to get some feedback right now and things I can try in the future when I DO have the time and access to do it.
I know it's hard for anybody to tell me answers, because of my lack of information and so much is going on here, but I mainly wanted to get as many things to check as possible and if anybody has seen/heard/experienced this.
Wow...that's really long. Thank you all in advance
My 383 is now three years old I built. It has less than 10,000 miles on it. (Not sure exactly because speedometer is a wee bit off) I put in all new internals including SRP Forged Pistons, PBM File fit my own rings The only thing that really isn't new is the Edelbrock Performer RPM intake that I bought used from a friend for dirt cheap. I'm running a Moroso 7 quart oil pan with built in windage tray and scraper with only a M-55 non-high volume oil pump and a really expensive (ouch) Milodon dipstick. My Monte has power brakes with an AC Delco master cylinder that's about 1 1/2 years old. I did most of my own head work including a three-angle valve job at school, port matching, (pockets were already ported) cut my valve spring seats for larger springs, and set my own valve spring height. The heads had new bronze valve guides installed by a very reputable machine shop, who also did all the machine work to my block (bore, splayed caps, line-bored, decked, freeze plugs, cam bearings, balancing, etc) The valve seals I'm using are ones he recommended because he said the posi-lock ones that I bought will actually keep my valves too dry.
The problem I'm having is that when I pulled my plugs for the first time after maybe 1000 (maybe more, maybe less) miles, only the rear four plugs were severely oil fouled! (Cylinders 5, 6, 7 and 8) I'm talking crusted on with solid oil or whatever it was so the gap of the plug was next to nothing! I showed my teacher and he suggested my vacuum modulator since the vacuum for it comes from the rear of the intake. Sure enough, I checked my trans level when it was hot and it was pretty overfilled which I thought would cause the modulator to suck up trans fluid and burn it. So I drained what I could from the hole of the vacuum modulator and the trans fluid level is where it should be now. I even bought a new B&M modulator just to make sure my old one wasn't bad. I changed the plugs and along I went.
I was also having some oil pan leaking issues at the time so I thought that was a cause for some oil loss. After I took care of the oil pan leaking, I still noticed the rear four spark plugs were getting fouled, but not as bad, and it was still using some oil...and still is to this day. I figured the spark plugs were getting fouled still because of maybe some residual trans fluid in lines...I don't know! I probably add about 1/2 quart every couple hundred miles. Which is a shame because I'm running 10w-40 AMSOIL! And we all know that's not cheap.
The spark plug fouling is much better, still barely a little evidence of oil contamination. Still using oil though. When I was home for spring break I put a vacuum gauge on it and it has about 15'' at idle and doesn't flutter around like any mechanical issue. I would think vacuum is a good sign of cylinder seal. I know, I should have checked compression too, and leak down, but I didn't have the time and now I'm back up here at school and won't be able to check it again until May.
What I was wondering was has anybody seen a cracked intake or intake gasket issue where it could suck up oil? If so, would the vacuum tell me this or would the oil be a thick liquid seal? I port-matched my heads and might of made the gap between ports a little thin, is there any possibility of ingesting oil there?
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q267/ChevroletR/383Assy020-1.jpg
Now that I went through Airflow class, I think about the way a dual plane intake is setup...One half goes to cylinders 1,4,7, and 6 and the other half goes to cylinders 2,3,5, and 8. If you don't believe it, this may help:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q267/ChevroletR/PerformerRPM-1.jpg
Therefore how could the manifold suck up trans fluid or brake fluid (a leaky rear seal in the master cylinder into the power booster) and only foul spark plugs 5, 6, 7, and 8??? I don't think that would be an issue...
I also installed this fancy dipstick from Milodon when I built my engine: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autof...
and it never came with any type of oil level indicator mark! It's been so long that I don't remember how I marked it exactly if I just put it back to back with the original dipstick and marked it (which doesn't quite ring a bell because chances are they aren't the exact same lengths) But then again I don't think I removed the old dipstick and put the new one in while there was oil in the pan and marked where it was from looking at the one I pulled out because I'm pretty sure I installed it while the block was still on the stand (cause it was a pain in the a$$ to get in). So like I said, I'm not sure what exactly I used to reference my mark, but is it possible that I'm just putting too much oil in it and it's burning it? I know I can probably check this by draining the oil and filling it up, but even though the oil pan I have is a 7 quart, does that mean that it should hold 7-7 1/2 quarts of oil with filter? I don't know how much I initially put in, but it was around 7.
I'm sure there's a lot more I can add to this that I can't think of right now and there's a lot of checks I should be doing (compression/leak down/tearing the intake off) but the car is 650 miles away and I won't see it until May...just trying to get some feedback right now and things I can try in the future when I DO have the time and access to do it.
I know it's hard for anybody to tell me answers, because of my lack of information and so much is going on here, but I mainly wanted to get as many things to check as possible and if anybody has seen/heard/experienced this.
Wow...that's really long. Thank you all in advance