: Solid Roller Camshaft Selection Help!
Ok guys here is what i am working on.
Gen V 454 Std Bore
Forged Crankshaft With Truck Rods.
TRW Forged 2465 Pistons 27cc domes
GM 14097088 Reqtangle Port Heads I.2.19 E.1.88
CompCams 924-16 Springs 125lbs Seat 315lbs Open
CompCams Locks And Retainers.
Crower Alum Roller Rockers
Crower Cams Step Nose Hyd Roller Camshaft Specs At: In.551 Ex.578. Adv Dur In.286 Ex.300
CompCams Hyd Roller Lifters
Performer Rpm Air Gap Manifold
850DP Demon Carb
2in Primary Headers to 3 inch exh.
Built Up 2004R 3000rpm stall with 3:73 Gears
I am looking to go to a Solid Roller Setup The Car its in is for high performance street use and drag strip duty.
So what would be the best Solid rollers to use for street duty and strip duty and what do you guys think would be a good camshaft for my motor?
Also do i need to get some better valve srpings with more pressure? Thank Everyone!
There has to be somone out there that could know??
68chevelle533 Apr 12th, 04, 7:22 PM Sounds like a pretty stout combination right now. I wouldn't give up to easily on the hyd roller, I have a friend in the 10s with one. The spring specs you listed seem light even for a hyd roller. You will need to change them for a solid roller. I plan on using a comp solid roller in my 533 and have a friend with the comp xr286r (248/254@50 .653/.660 lift)in a pump gas 427. He has had good luck with it and it runs low 11s. I would think it would work well in your 454 also.
MadMarv Apr 12th, 04, 9:44 PM You would certainly need different springs, and probably retainers/locks if you went to a SR. From my extremely limited personal experience, if you have a good valvetrain with full roller rockers and a stud girdle, you need to set valves less often.
However, and I know hyd. rollers are not all that popular with alot of people here, I think they are perfectly useful cams for under 5800-6000rpm. Had I known my solid was going to end being useful at 6200, Imay have rethought it (builder said it will run clear to 7500+rpm without blinking but its pointless).
I was looking at another hyd roller in my 454 before I got talked into a solid roller, and I came up with something along the idea of 242-248 int 246-252 exh. @ .050, and probably around 292/296 advertised with about .610-.625 lift.
If you want to go solid, I would suggest giving UD harold a call and looking at his .630 lift solid rollers or just see what he says in general, I still regret not using his 256/264 solid roller because my builder wouldn't agree to it because I made such excellent power with one of harolds very early design hydraulic rollers.
(296 @ .006, 233 @ .050 .621 lift rect ports 9.6:1 750 DP 2" primary headers 3.31s and 12.7 @ 113.8mph with a 2.275 60 on p245/55R15 BFG comp TA's, 3900lb car).
I also think a comp 288AR would work well in your application, but I would not hesitate to look at stuff from Cammotion or LSM. The Cammotion people were great to work with and I'm also sorry I wasted their time and didn't buy a cam from them.
So if you don't want to stick hyd rollers (the solids are more fun even if they aren't always faster, but at what cost... how often do you drive it?) LunatiHarold, cammotion, lsm, among others worth calling. I'd start with harold then go to cam motion. Harold is great to talk to and won't send you the wrong direction, I found the cam motion people corteous, knowledgeable and timely.
just a note here I am not a mechanic nor do I do anything mechanically oriented for work. this is a hobby, so my advice comes at your own risk...
matt
godsend Apr 13th, 04, 5:29 AM Look @ XR286r or Xr292r
Having a 292 in my car, ran low 11 in a full weighted car.
Made 645hp with ovals and 671hp with canfield 310cc with 11.2 comp@iron and 10.7@alu
427L88 Apr 13th, 04, 7:07 AM Matt,I like that disclaimer, I should use that in my replies too!
Sounds like a well matched combo, but those 924 springs are a might too light for the heavier hyd roller lifter. Those presures are fine for flat tappets, not roller. You'll have to step up the springs is all, but not by a whole lot. Most rhyd rollers like 150/370 Even 925s might do it. You really want to keep that roller in full contact with the cam. With an SR, you might even go heavier, like 180/440.
Lots of good, streetable SR's out there. They'd give you a bit more oomph and rev capability, but I'd run what ya got for now. I've never preferred HRs for hi performance use, but they work well, and for a street car, it's nice to be able to idle the car whenever, for as long as you want , without worrying. I even worry about long idling with my flat tappet cam. Oh, and BTW, the roller version of my flat tappet cam would be a MONSTER street SR IMHO and work well with 9.75: to 10.5:1 compression. Lunati 502A4 here...
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/IEC/IECC/Chevy7.html
With your 3K stall, 3,73s and 10.1 ( ASSUMED), I'd have the cam done on a 110 LSA.
Does anyone know what my compression is with those pistons and the heads? The head gaskets are the Gm Gen V ones so not for sure how thick they are. Pistons are 27.1cc domes and heads are 118cc
chevy_69_chevelle Apr 13th, 04, 1:22 PM I am running the XR292R in mine ~11.5:1 compression and dart310cc aluminum heads. See my sig for the times. These are on a mild tune. Next step is to run 42° advance through first and second and then retard to 38° in third. Jump the tune up as well. I think that should get me in the 10.0 range since right now the 6.43 is about a 10.20 if I ran the quarter. A little more diet for the driver and the car and I may be in the single digits.
71454Chevelle Apr 13th, 04, 1:55 PM XXX,
Don't know "exactly" what your static CR will be without knowing all the exact specs but those pistons with an open chamber head will get you around 10:1 cr.
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