Alright, well my last post was quite helpful thanks guys. I replaced my carb gasket and put some new carb to manifold bolt stems in, it wasnt sealing properly. I charged my battery also, it's taken a beating the past week trying to get this to fire up.
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When I was trying to fire it tonight, after filling up the carb bowls with good fuel, I got lots of smoke! It sounded like it almost got up, but no go. Im still getting the timing correctly, it seems like the dist. is off 180, but it hasnt come out since it went in, and it was fine before. But my main mystery here is im looking at my fuel line right on the fuel filter and I dont see fuel passing through, the pump is a new stock cheapy from Kragen and was installed like it should have been, there arent too many ways to mess up the install. Does it sound like the stock pump was a lemon? :rolleyes:

Ohhh, update already. Well I pulled off my fuel line, the half that goes from the pump to the carb and it dripped out a little bit but it was pretty dry, it really seems like the pump. Also, since I put on my new fuel line, it's the steal braided stuff and it was a little too long, it ran fine before, but since im troubleshooting all these problems I cut it, how much length in say inches should I have between the carb and the fuel filter?

Phil, i take it you have had the engine up and running after the cam swap? is it possible the fuel pump lobe on the cam has gone flat? you may want to pull the oil filter and open it up and look for metal. hope this is not the case. if its trying to start and not kicking back the timing may be a few degrees retarded. may want to mover the distributer 1/8"-1/4" or so. turn it toward the master cylinder. ive been following your progress. i hope you get it fixed. Dave

I cant even remember how I got to this point. So much has happened! You know thats a really scary thought about the cam lobe being worn down. Is that possible on a cam this new with basically no miles other than the break in? It was up and running for a while but this week had to change some things, and etc, a few things were obviously off.
I recently changed the oil, this week actually and there didnt appear to be any metal in the oil. I guess another way to check would be to manually crank the engine with the fuel pump off, and see if that rod moves as the engine cranks?
I hope its not that though.... oh man redface.gif

I just remembered why I changed the pump to start with, it was sucking in oil with the fuel and got pretty nasty. So I did the swap for the same type of stock pump and now it doesnt suck anything in. eh.....

Phil,

You need to veryify that your fuel pump is pumping fuel. Disconnect the line at the carb and put the end of the fuel line into a large coffee can. Crank for 10 seconds or so. You should have at LEAST a cup of fuel pumped into the can. Careful doing this. We don't want any engine fires.

Check the fuel filter make sure it's not clogged up,before you pull the fuel pump.If it will pump fuel into a can then use some of that fuel to dump into the front primaries,if it's fuel related it will start and stall after fuel is used up,then you will have to look for a restriction somewhere could be fuel filter floats stuck closed i'm sure you get the ideal keep us posted graemlins/waving.gif

Phil, if you don't have this running by this weekend, let me know I may be able to shoot up there and give you a hand getting it started smile.gif

Troy, you busy Sunday/Monday? :D

Careful Troy I may take you up on that tongue.gif Sunday would be cool and I wouldnt mind another Chevelle in the driveway, what are you driving? I pulled the carb side of the fuel line and turned it over and NO fuel pumped through, had a can ready and everything and no go. I think Im about ready to pull this pump, the lines seem clean and the cam is brand new so the lobe/rod shouldnt be warn down. When I pored fuel into the carb bowls last night it fired for a couple seconds then died right away, so everything seems ok on that end. graemlins/sad.gif

Originally posted by THORSS70:
Phil, if you don't have this running by this weekend, let me know I may be able to shoot up there and give you a hand getting it started smile.gif

Troy, you busy Sunday/Monday? :D Lets do it, Craig. The man needs some assistance, I can feel the pain over here. I have been following all the posts with this car and the trials and tribulations and damn we need get this cat back on the road already. (You realize, of course, that mine is down and out due to sheer laziness) but hell, im up for spinning some wrenches and doing a little troubleshooting. You tackle the car, i'll tackle the ice chest. smile.gif

I'll go after distributor, timing and ignition, you go after carb and fuel and we'd have that sucker up and running


Beer needs to be supplied, that is the only stipulation. :D

My hats off to you boys going to give Phil a hand graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif


Jerry

Originally posted by blumont:
My hats off to you boys going to give Phil a hand graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif


Jerry I know Craig is a busy guy but I have a free Sunday that I could use up troubleshooting / tuning over beers.

We shall see what happens. If any of you Norcal guys want to roll out and tackle Phils car over some beers let me know (with Phils acceptance, of course) I can drive as well.

Sounds like a plan graemlins/thumbsup.gif I'll keep the post alive till the weekend with updates, email me for directions or I can hit up your email in a couple days.
:D

Originally posted by pnutkemist:
Sounds like a plan graemlins/thumbsup.gif I'll keep the post alive till the weekend with updates, email me for directions or I can hit up your email in a couple days.
:D You have mail

If you manually fill the carb with fuel, the engine will run, but obviously for a limited time. If you filled the carb and it still wont run, I think you may have other problems.

This all sounds familiar though. Are you SURE you have the rockers adjusted correctly? If it's possible that they are not, re-do the lash. Don't just wiggle the rockers and see if they are tight and not loose, re-lash them. I say this because if you just changed your cam, it's possible you adjusted them wrong and have the valves hanging open. Causes pretty much the problem you describe.

You go guys!!! (sorry for the pun). im trilled to see some one piching in to help the fella. if he wasent so darned far i would have gone myself. ive been following this for a few months. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Dave

Is it possible that the rockers could come lose? BEcause it ran fine during the break in and a little afterwards, that's something I didnt think about though. I hope not! It's not easy to adjust them without pulling the manifold eh? And just the valve covers I hear is a tuffy. .......

Oh, I wasn't aware it ran fine during the break-in. Anyway, you only need to pull the valve covers to adjust the rockers, nothing else.

Does the car run when you manually fill the carb through the vent tube?

If you can wait until we get up there, don't try to start this engine. I did not realize it was new? So, the cam just has a break in on it? Or is it only run for a few min? Sorry for the questions, I have only followed these posts lightly tongue.gif You don't need mis-adjusted rockers spoil your fun.

I will think about driving the Velle up (70 Super Sport) up there, it does have a 200-4R in it, but still gets only about 12 on the freeway :D Beaux, I can meet you up in the Manteca area and hitch up and we could drive up if the wife/kids do not want to show.

Troy, Tony, Sac Chevelle guys want to make a team effort out of this?

heres a thought for you ,it happen to me also ,if you have a air hose blow back through the fuel line from the pump to the tank with the gas cap off to clear the line you should here the gas bubble. my fuel line used to stop up till i took the sock off it .if that line is open hook the line back to fuel pump and if it doesnt pump then it has to be the pump or the cam lobe

Originally posted by THORSS70:

Beaux, I can meet you up in the Manteca area and hitch up and we could drive up if the wife/kids do not want to show.

Troy, Tony, Sac Chevelle guys want to make a team effort out of this? Im in. graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif

graemlins/thumbsup.gif TO you boys. If I wasn't 2000 miles away I would come down also and maybe help with some words of encouragement and some cold ones

Jerry

Yeah I could hold off till Sunday to try again, the more I think about it, it could be the rockers, I had only adjusted them once or twice before so it was new to me. But yeah the cam is brand new and the rockers seemed adjusted during the break in, it ran for 45 minutes solid that day after the break in. Now the timing seems off and the fuel wasnt pumping. New pump too! But just in case I swapped it for another brand new one today @ Kragen. Guess we'll see what happens next graemlins/hurray.gif

Ya, if you could hold off until Sunday to mess with it again it might be in your, and the car's best interest. I just would hate to see you mess something up and cost you more money in the end. Maybe you could pull the valvecovers before we get there so we can get a head start on it? It is up to you. I just need to know how to get to your pad, let Beaux or I know via e-mail on directions or and adderess.

Beaux, I could get to Manteca (my workplace) and you can leave the 300M there so we can shoot up in the Velle. Wife does not want to go, so it's just you and me bud graemlins/clonk.gif I do, however, want to get an early start so maybe around 8AM in Manteca? Let me know if you can do that time, if not I will leave later.

In come the troops graemlins/thumbsup.gif I'll pull the covers and get everything all snappy and good to go. You've got mail Craig

Got your mail Phil, i will be out there in the AM Sunday by 9:30 or so. Beaux will be with me, and another member Anthony will be tagging along also just for the extra set of hands and experience :cool:

Guess who went to the gas station and around town with no problems ;) Thanks Craig, bouex and andrew you guys rock! You know I'll be calling upon you in the future graemlins/thumbsup.gif Now I just need to tighten down my dist. which is done and the oil pan bolts which dont quite catch the thread, new tires which the dude across the street gave me for free! Pretty boss Sunday eh? ;) thanks guys.... Keep in touch.... Pnutkemist@Yahoo.com

Phil graemlins/hurray.gif

Phil,
What did the guys do to help you out and get you going? Why wasn't your fuel pump pumping? If they have you set up, lock that distributor down NOW. It really says alot for this site to have the kind of people on here that will spend a Sunday going to a fellow member's house to help him with his car.
The guys that helped you are what this hobby is all about. They are to be commended.

bob,
well the new pump i dont think was any good, so we put on a new stock pump. And the distributor was off quite a bit, set the timing. Im not much a tech for carbs but they pulled off the top and it was clogged up a little bit. Im sure they will jump in and post up. But yeah your right about this site all the info and people on here are great timnes graemlins/hurray.gif

Hey guys... well i took a few trips around town and it holds up pretty good, minus my bald tires and oil leak ;) strange though, when i come to a stop light the idle was dropping really low and died a couple times then when i got home if i put it in reverse it died RIGHT AWAY. I went around the block a couple times and really gunned it hard, came home put it back through all the gears and it held the idle in reverse and drive, etc. Couple more bugs to work out with the carb eh...

Hey Phil,

Great to meet you and see your car :cool: The fuel pump was an out of the box stocker which worked quite well right away with no problems at all. The ditributor was re-done on the coil side (HEI), we decided to make sure the power wire and the tach was wired right (found it was in question), the coil was installed correctly and found the distributor off a couple of teeth compinsated by moving the plug wire placement a post to the left. It worked mint, a few adjustments and he was running smooth and correct. It sounds fine, and I hope it provides many miles of fun :cool:

On a side note, my Chevelle wandered off 210 miles without a hitch, burned 15 gallons of fuel and won 2 challenges on the way home by some optomistic new car buyers. Well, I did not even know we were being challenged, unitl it was too late...for them :D

Phil, any other help you may need please don't hesitate to ask we will be glad to help.

Originally posted by pnutkemist:
Hey guys... well i took a few trips around town and it holds up pretty good, minus my bald tires and oil leak ;) strange though, when i come to a stop light the idle was dropping really low and died a couple times then when i got home if i put it in reverse it died RIGHT AWAY. I went around the block a couple times and really gunned it hard, came home put it back through all the gears and it held the idle in reverse and drive, etc. Couple more bugs to work out with the carb eh... Its all tuning now, bud. You need to get a timing pointer on that sucker, run an inline fuel pressure gauge and make sure your pressure after the filter is no more then 6 psi (Edelbrocks are picky) and remember, if you feel it dying when mild / hard braking or going into a corner pull thaty airhorn back off the carb and adjust the floats.

When we had it off and upside down they looked like they had too much of a drop, to me. Anyhow - To get the timing dialed in you need the pointer and timing tape for the balancer. Handle that oil leak first, then go after carb and timing. read up on that carb and tuning it, take care of oil leak, grab a pointer and balancer tape and you'll be off and runnin'

Oh, was good to meet you too and get a nice little wrench session in.

Oh, tighten up that vac hose conneciton to your manifold for your brakes. Right behind the carb. It was very loose and the hose clamp was fraying the line. Dont want a vac leak back there.

Keep us posted.

And yes, the ride home in Craigs beast was quite entertaining.....BMW's aint that fast, apparently. :D

Originally posted by Midnight Marauder:
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And yes, the ride home in Craigs beast was quite entertaining.....BMW's aint that fast, apparently. :D smile.gif Nor are turbo beetles :D This was after the Manteca drop off, thought he was slick. Disclaimer: I was not racing anybody intentionally, I just throttled up a little bit away from stoplights and the person next to me took it as a challenge I guess ;)

Phil, Beaux is on the right track, it sounds like the timing may have moved a little bit. Check the distributor and see if you are able to move it by hand. If you can, try tuning it slighly counter clockwise for more initial advance. If the idle gets back to normal, there is your problem. See it where it likes and throw a wrench on that hold down and call it a day. You do need a timing pointer on your chain cover, that will give you a real good idea on where you need to be. Any other help you may need, Beaux can go up and kidnap those Sacramento guys and force them to fix your car, at no charge to you :D

Originally posted by phel69:
Phil,
What did the guys do to help you out and get you going? Why wasn't your fuel pump pumping? If they have you set up, lock that distributor down NOW. It really says alot for this site to have the kind of people on here that will spend a Sunday going to a fellow member's house to help him with his car.
The guys that helped you are what this hobby is all about. They are to be commended. Bob, I will say thanks for the rest of us, Beaux, Anthony and myself. It was really no big deal, I had a good 220 mile drive, good co pilot and great memories. I, we, would do it again.

Originally posted by THORSS70:
it sounds like the timing may have moved a little bit. Check the distributor and see if you are able to move it by hand. Ya know, I recall watching Anthony adjust the timing and that dist was indeed very loose and easy to spin. We forgot to tighten it up.

My money is on timing. Make sure the hold down is tight and if it does not tighten enough then pull the clamp off and bend it a little bit so as to apply slightly more down force on the dist. collar.

Originally posted by THORSS70:
Bob, I will say thanks for the rest of us, Beaux, Anthony and myself. It was really no big deal, I had a good 220 mile drive, good co pilot and great memories. I, we, would do it again. Ditto, true and ditto again. graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif

graemlins/thumbsup.gif Way to go boys


Jerry