Near Tulsa, OK------------------------------HE SURVIVED----------------------after rearending the truck 120mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least he had a helmet on!
Yes, yes, yes, I know, everything can bite or kill you, but there is virtually zero protection from a mistake with a motorcycle. :sad:

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You really should put a warning up about this.

He didn't survive that crash

Looks like he broke his neck also.?:confused:

Sorry Tom but from what I remember that kid was Dead On Impact. His name is Brandon Lee, he was 26 years old and from Broken Arrow.

I am fanatically opposed to acting stupid while riding your bike

Ouch ...........

these new motorcycles will plain flat get away from you !!! I've ridden for 40+ years an I agree its now more dangerous then every before .....the speeds that you can reach :eek:
an it doesn't take but about 1/2 a block to be rolling close to 100 mph or more !!
then add in every Idiot with a cell phone not looking for low flying objects !! IE motorcycles an you have a very Dangerous way to get around !!!

Brandon Lee White
1981 - 2007

http://www.ultimatetributes.com/tributes/photo-album.asp?ID=2442#

One thing Tom you had better photos of it.:yes:

I`ve seen the pictures before. I heard the guy lived. He didn`t look alive to me when i saw them. I work on bikes for a living and enjoy riding but that wasn`t the bike that killed him, it was the guy riding that did it. The bike didn`t make itself go 120mph and the bike has no way of knowng what traffic is out and about. I`m guessing being young and cocky and a inexpereinced rider is what caused the accident.

This whole thing is on Snopes too....the e-mail I got about it stated a different state and everything, but Snopes gave me the truth!

Bikes are great fun. I actually traded mine in on a wave rider when I turned 53, have fallen off many times but will never get road rash.

The first thing I bought when I turned 16 was a Honda 450 CB. I promptly got hit by a car and never rode a road bike again. My son is stationed in San Siego and wanted to buy a bike. I gave him $2000 to put into his old Corvette just keep him off the bikes. It's out of your control and in some cases and it only take one time.

I've had my motorcycle license for 30 years. Maybe you haven't noticed there are at least a million ways to off yourself by doing something badly or stupidly. Those who choose to ride have their reasons that are as inexplicable as explaining your hot rod fever to the uninitiated. No one really *needs* a musclecar. In case you have missed it: statistically speaking all who drive high powered cars are at a greater risk for death. The love of speed has its dark side.

But what is more fascinating is that when you study motorcycle fatality rates you will discover that it is not the young man on a high powered rocket that is most likely to be killed in an accident (although certainly the most likely to collect speeding tickets). Nope, instead the greatest rate of motorcycle fatalities is from guys in their mid/late 40's riding a cruiser style motorcycle.

Brandon did NOT survive. I saw this whole mess when it originally occured and made the internet rounds - I guess it got a second wind. Truck at 55 mph...bike at least 120 mph...helmeted head into solid object decelerating from 70 mph differential to 0 mph in a split second = liquified brains.

Thomas

I love motorcycles and I have a couple oldies - '76 Honda CB750K and a '79 Kawasaki KDX400.
I'd much rather ride the dirt than on the street - all it takes is one moron pulling out in front of you, and it is OVER. It hurts a little less crashing on the dirt, also.
You've got to stay constantly vigilant on the street, and it gets to be kinda stressful. There's just too many lousy car drivers out there, unfortunately. :(

I love motorcycles and I have a couple oldies - '76 Honda CB750K and a '79 Kawasaki KDX400.
I'd much rather ride the dirt than on the street - all it takes is one moron pulling out in front of you, and it is OVER. It hurts a little less crashing on the dirt, also.
You've got to stay constantly vigilant on the street, and it gets to be kinda stressful. There's just too many lousy car drivers out there, unfortunately. :(

dirt bikes are just as dangerous. I rode dirt bikes for a few years but enjoyed the street more. I know a guy who rode dirt bikes for years and broke his back riding. He`s in a wheel chair for life now because of it. My point is, anything is dangerous.

then add in every Idiot with a cell phone not looking for low flying objects !!!!!I agree about the car drivers over using the cell phones, but what I cannot believe is when I actually saw a guy driving a motorcylce while talking on his cell phone!! I have a cell myself, but I gotta say, that some poeple are just plain addicted to these things. It's crazy! I bet that some poeple even have to be on their cell phone while they're having sex!

You've got to stay constantly vigilant on the street, and it gets to be kinda stressful. There's just too many lousy car drivers out there, unfortunately. :( Yes, and too many cars period. Many areas of the country are just too congested to even enjoy riding a motorcylce on the streets IMO. I have a motorcylce license, and I've had two motorcylces in the past, but I was hit by a car, and then kicked the habit. So many people pull out in front of you, and either don't see you because they're in so much of a hurry, or they just don't care.

Trouble is, if they hit you while you're in a car, it's your bumper, your fender, or your grill that's gone. but if they hit you while you're on a motorcycle, it's your leg, your arm, or your head and your life.

dirt bikes are just as dangerous. I rode dirt bikes for a few years but enjoyed the street more. I know a guy who rode dirt bikes for years and broke his back riding. He`s in a wheel chair for life now because of it. My point is, "anything is dangerous".

True - walking across the street, the bathtub, etc.
Death or dismemberment is just around the corner every time we leave our home.
I guess we could all just hole up in our houses waiting for the sky to fall :p, but I don't want to live my life that way.

dirt bikes are just as dangerous. I rode dirt bikes for a few years but enjoyed the street more. I know a guy who rode dirt bikes for years and broke his back riding. He`s in a wheel chair for life now because of it. My point is, anything is dangerous.I had a dirtbike, and yes they're dangerous. The thing about motocross is that in order to get good at it, you have to get nuts and take risks. If you don't take risks then you don't get good at it. Every champion motocross racer that I've heard any details about have all broken numerous bones in their body, and have had multiple injuries over the years. You just don't get to be as good as those guys are w/out taking big risks.That's one of the two reasons that I got out of it. The other was, that I didn't have very many places to ride at the time w/out taking a very long drive every time I did.

But with motocross motorcylces, the objects that you hit are stationary. Yes, you can sustain some serious injuries no doubt, and when you hit a tree at 50 MPH, they sure don't move. But with street bikes, I believe the dangers are always there. Not just when you ride nuts. And the dangers include being hit by 2 ton objects that are also on wheels, and are not stationary.

Yes, there are risks in many things we do. But there are also various levels of risk. With a fast street car, your risk increases when you drive fast. But you aren't driving fast the majority of the time. The usual full throttle blast on the street won't last anymore than about 5-10 seconds at the most. And even that's going to be when there's no traffic at all, or very little. But the rest of the time, you're driving at the same rate of speed that everyone else is, and so your risk level is no higher than that mini van driver is taking alongside of you in the next lane. And you have about 2 tons of metal surrounding you as well as seatbelts.

However, with a motorcylce on the street, the high level of risk is always present the entire time you're on it. Even when you're driving slow, and at the same speed as the rest of the traffic around you is, your risk level is higher than that of the mini-van driver alongside of you is taking. Because you don't have any metal around you. Not even a seatbelt. All is you possibly have is a crummy helmet, and often times, you don't even have that. So the level of risk is always at a higher level the entire time that you're on that motorcylce regardless of youe rate of speed. Good luck!

Hey, like I said before, I've had a couple street bikes myself in the past before I gave it up, and yes, they're fun. But puleeeeezzze don't try to tell yourself that while you're on one, the risk levels are the same as everyone else is taking on a daily basis. No way.:noway:

Maybe you haven't noticed there are at least a million ways to off yourself by doing something badly or stupidly

Problem with bikes is you can be doing everything buy the book legally but someone else can be doing something bad or stupidity or just plain don't see you. Nothing there between you and the object that hits you or the object you hit if you get launched.

Seems like with bikes it's not if you have an accident but when and how bad it turn out to be.

I got some pics sent to me once where somehow a biker got caught up in the rear wheels of a dump truck. That thing chewed him up and spit him out in about 8 pieces.

This is a huge problem here in north Texas. ( Dallas area ) The fatal bike wrecks here are every weekend. There's a lot a "Top-End" racing going on and the police have their hands full just trying to catch them. I love bikes, mostly custom Harleys, but I will probably never own one and live in such a heavy populated area. Me personally - I like some heavy iron around me at 100+MPH.

I've owned several bikes and currently own an 05 Harley Ultra Classic.

No disrepect intended towards the accident victim.

But bringing a Motorcycle up to 120 MPH on public streets is asking for tradgedy.

All it takes at that speed is a flat tire, a dog walking into the road, a pot hole, a car moving into your lane because he dosent see you approaching, or even simply some gravel in the road........

It's like playing Russian Rollette......... And he Lost.

A motorcycle, if driven very defensively, is reasonably safe.

No one should be sursprised this young man lost his life.

Definately tragic......... But unfortunately, a very forseeable outcome when looking at his driving habits..

The actions involving his Death was nothing short of Suicide.

I rode motorcycles for about 40 years. Gave it up because of distracted and rude drivers being the norm rather than the exception. I enjoyed riding, especially for the first 20 years years or so. It was time to quit, so I did.

I've been on the Interstate and had crotch rockets pass me at well over 100 mph, darting in and out of traffic.
Death looking for a place to happen.

I would love to ride a small motorcycle or scooter to save gas, and for the enjoyment. Just too dangerous though.

But bringing a Motorcycle up to 120 MPG on public streets is asking for tradgedy.Agreed. Absolutely. :yes:

A motorcycle, if driven very defensively, is reasonably safe. Sure, when there's barely any traffic on the road at all. But there seems to be less and less places and times in a good portion of North America where the road and traffic conditions are like that. Add cell phone useage while driving into the picture, and forget about it. It isn't a pleasant thought to consider that your left or right leg can be more or less in jeapardy depending on how intense the cell phone conversation gets between that 22 year old lady driving the pick-up truck or the 3,000 LB Volvo on side of you and her boyfriend on the other end. And that has nothing to do with how fast you are traveling. So for the most part, I disagree with your statement. No offense.

.. I guess we just don't see eye to eye on this one. But to each his own.

I guess we just don't see eye to eye on this one. But to each his own.


That's my whole point. Diving along side a 3000 Lb Volvo with a 22 year old girl on the other side is not defensive driving.

You Never travel alongside anyone.

You Never travel within someones Blind spot.

If traffic is that heavy, travel in the slow lane within reasonable distance behind the car infront of you leaving an escape route of the shoulder.

Always slow down and be prepared to react when traveling through intersections watching for drivers taking a right infront of you.

Etc. Etc. Etc.



Driving a motorcycle defensively means not driving blindly wedged between cars becoming a victim to others actions as they mindless babble on their cell phones......

It means driving so that you are identifying, and eliminating potential risks by being prepared to act on them before they happen.

You are Driving as if you are invisable both identifying, and being prepared to react to any situation that may develop


I would highly recommend attending a State Sponsored motorcycle Safety Course so that you can learn, practice and effectively excecute, emergency evasive manuevers.


Taking these precautions and learning these skills can in fact, make Motorcycle riding reasonably safe.





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John, that's good if you can do that, but where I reside, that isn't usually possible to accomplish on most of the public roads here. And I don't live in a big city either. I'm talking about the suburbs. You must reside in a very rural area. I wish that I did too. But I don't, and I bet that many others here don't either. But most locations in my homestate on any given day has streets that are waaaay too congested to avoid riding on the side of a car. But that's just one example. Anyway, I sure hope that you stay healthy and safe. Good luck with that.

these conversations can go both ways. the day i met my wife, the kid next door died on a bike, it was his first time, he t-boned a car, guy across the street rode into his 80's and died of natural causes. i've been riding over 36 years now, and i'd rather die on a ride, than at my desk.

there is no reason to be fanatacally against bikes. if you don't want to ride, fine, but this country would be in a little better shape if more rode. in most countries, bikes out number cars, here it's suv's.

hitting a truck at a buck twenty, has nothing to do with most riders, by far, more people on a daily basis die in cars than bikes. are you going to stop driving? doubt it, and now all the "got more between me", and "better chances" b.s. will start flying, it may be true, but it doesn't stop people from dieing.

funny thing is, people see somebody die on a bike, and they get all jacked up, but die from smoking, car accident, etc. nobody says much.

there is nothing i can say to change sombodies mind on bikes, but the next time i see corpses in a car, i'll send you pics and see if you sell your car. i don't want to hear all the b.s. about nothing between you and car, or that people don't watch, etc. instead of bangin on bikes, you could talk to your family about watching for bikes, maybe you could tell your family to leave the friggin cell alone for ten minutes, maybe people wouldn't let thier 16 year old kid buy a 10 second, 140 m.p.h. bike, maybe more could take m.s.f. courses, maybe everybody could actually share the road.....

.......... maybe everybody could actually share the road.....Yeah, but unfortunately they don't. That was MY point. I'm not saying that it's right, nor that i agree with it, or codone it, but it's a fact, and neither you nor I will ever change that. No matter how many laws they make, nobody is gonna get that young woman off of her cell phone spitting out 444 words per minuite while cruising down the road. I don't like that anymore than you do, but we just won't change that. I'm not "fanatacially" opposed to bikers. I haven't any malice nor ill feeling towards any bikers. I was one myself. I gave it up because the risks to fun ratio for me was not favorable enough to continue it.

I think that you would be better off giving it up too, but that's your choice, and I cannot make it for you. And I'm not your mom or dad either. I wish you the best, and I hope that you don't get hurt, just as I'd like to think that you hope the same for me.

You must reside in a very rural area.

10 minutes South of Cincinnati Ohio. Very congested with a major trucking route down I75.

Defensive driving skills apply everywhere.


Inexperience and irresponsibility kills...... Not motorcycles.

I have a lot of friends that ride. Probably 20+ or so w/ more than 25 years on a bike. Of all of them only 5 have laid them down do to various reasons. Why IMO? They ride defensively & don't ride at 100+ darting in & out of traffic. These little * around here ride like bullets. I actually had a kid hit my chevelle while darting around me at 80+mph. When I caught up to him at the gas station he had the nerve to tell me to watch what the hell I was doing that I almost killed him. The rest of the conversation would get edited so with respect to TC I won't go there but we'll just say it didn't work out too well for him. :D :boxing:

I can say, riding a bike as my sole transportation for 5 years made me a much better driver. Even now 20 years later I think I'm still a better driver for it.

I wouldn't touch one now, though.

Tom: I've rode Harley;s for over 25 yrs. I've got over 170,000 miles on motorcycles. I learned something everyday I was out there. Look at the kind of bike that crashed in your picture. 0 to 100 in 6 seconds kind of bike. Some of the young kids that buy these bikes. Think they can do no wrong on a motorcycle. That can happen to you in a car. Just pulling away from a traffic signal. There some that have no business on a motorcycle. Either to young or too old. But they should take the safety course. I've rose across country from Detroit to Calif & back many times. Also from Detroit to Fla & to Arizona. Yeah! we all horse around on our bikes. But there is a limit. I've had these brand X bikes pass me with thier front wheels in the air. I was doing 75 mph. They passed me like I stalled my bike. Plus on one wheel in the air! Enough said!!!!!!

40 years so far as a rider. Nobody makes us ride, we ride because we want too. Many people don't belong on bikes and should stay off them becasue of the dangers envolved and their lack of motorcycling skills.

Near Tulsa, OK------------------------------HE SURVIVED----------------------after rearending the truck 120mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least the fool had a helmet on!
Yes, yes, yes, I know, everything can bite or kill you, but there is virtually zero protection from a mistake with a motorcycle. :sad:


"An example of why I'm so fanatically opposed to motorcycles"


Tom,

Why would you be so opposed to motorcycles?

The motorcycle didn't create this mess, the driver did, it's nothing that doesn't happen every day in every state, in an automobile with an idiot at the wheel.


I'm not trying to create any controversy, I'm trying to understand why your opposed to the machine when it not the machines fault, but entirely the drivers for doing 120mph on surface streets.


Rocky

Unless I lived out in the coutry somewhere Id never own one again .I used to really enjoy them but theres too many people here and its just a matter of time before someone takes you out.
Plus, dummies like me dont need that much power available in their right hand.

Plus, dummies like me dont need that much power available in their right hand.

Exactly why I sold my Sportster years ago.
I would drag race anyone - anywhere but after a few close calls I decided I that I didn't have enough will power to NOT act stupid on it so I sold it and acted stupid in old junker cars.
looking back now, I guess I wasn't acting :o

I'm so fanatically opposed to motorcycles Why?

What about the larger group of fanatics that are opposed to automobiles? Geeze, we need more of them, don't we?

Leading causes of death
There were 113,000 accidental deaths in 2006, a 1 percent increase from the previous year, according to council estimates based on federal and state data.

Final 2007 numbers haven’t been released by the U.S. government yet, and the council used state data to reach its estimates for 2005. The death rate remained at 38.1 per 100,000 population because the population also increased.

Motor vehicle crashes, the leading cause of accidental deaths, are up only slightly from 2005 to 2006, according to council estimates.

Massachusetts had the lowest accidental death rate at 20.6 deaths per 100,000 people, and New Mexico had the highest accidental death rate at 65.5 deaths per 100,000 people.

For younger people, dying in a car crash was the most frequent cause of accidental death; poisonings topped or tied car crashes among people in their 40s and falls were the leading cause of accidental deaths among the elderly.

Accidents are the fifth leading cause of death behind heart disease, cancer, stroke and respiratory disease, the council said. But for people ages 1 to 44, accidents are the top killer.

The motorcycle is just a machine. It did EXACTLY what was asked of it. It's not the motorcycle's fault the rider told it go 120 mph in to the back of a truck. Not every rider acts like an @$$ when he/she rides. It's not fair to stereotype motorcyclists in general as a bunch of dare devil idiots with no regard to public safety. (I ride, but not like that guy)

what I notice around here is a lot of irresponsible riders. Usually they are on one of these rockets. I owned bikes most of my adult life but not any more due to MS. But I see a lot of stupid stunts in heavy traffic such as wheelie popping and weaving in and out lanes at a high speed. I guess they are fulfilling their need for a rush or showing off. But at the same time they are compromising their safety and everyone around them. No doubt about it you got to be far more defensive on a motorcycle than a car. You got to give yourself time to react. Even so you still may not get a chance to react. About 30 years ago while riding my 76 1200cc superglide on a busy street traveling about 40 mph a 16 year old boy (oncoming) made a left turn directly in front of me. I hit the brake as my bike was striking his 65 chevy Impala right in the door post. I did one flip over the car and landed on the other side of the car on my rear. The only injuries that I received was a bruised big toe, a scratch on my leg and the wind knocked out of me. The brake pedal where my foot was right before the impact was bent 180 degrees. I kept on riding for 25 years or so but every time someone made a left turn I would cringe. My whole point is you got to give yourself every chance to react. At 100 mph plus there is no time. I know people that have hit cows, deer, dogs, chickens among other things. I hit a coon one night while it was raining. Anyhow you just can't be too careful.

Saying that the motorcycle caused this is like saying that guns cause crimes, but I'm fanatically opposed to young kids being able to get a driver's license (not just for motorcycles) by paying $15-20 and taking a 30-minute test. IMO, more training, education and more thorough testing would definitely help.

I guess no matter how or what I said, there is going to be infinite viewpoints on the issues of motorcycles.
I AM NOT going to get involved in restricting riders or motorcycles. One fact that was made several times, its the choice of the rider, not the bike. The bike only responds to the rider's input. And sometimes, some inputs are poor choices.
I'm only opposed to them from my perspective and from the perspective of not permitting any of my family members to ride or own one (same for tobaco products). Although, I must admit, once grown and out of the nest, my control ends----------------------BUT MY VIEWPOINT REMAINS. My kids, just like your kids, don't like to listen to their Dad's rants. Ask me if I care!!!
You say anything can cause injury or death? Yep, that's right! No doubt about it! Remember the pictures I posted last year of my youngest son's 68 Chevelle after rearending a UPS truck at 45mph? That was one of those situations where the wreck didn't kill him-----------------BUT HIS DADDY ALMOST DID! Stupid is as stupid does! :mad: If Zac had been on a bike instead of a 3800lb car, he would be in one of those pictures! And that's a heartbreaker for his dad.:(
God love him (and so does his Mama)!
I love all 5 of my kids----------but they're not getting a motorcycle over my dead body, even if they live to be 97.

I love all 5 of my kids----------but they're not getting a motorcycle over my dead body, even if they live to be 97.[/quote]

If one of your kids as an adult decides they want a motorcycle you are saying you will be able stop them? :confused:

Saying that the motorcycle caused this is like saying that guns cause crimes, but I'm fanatically opposed to young kids being able to get a driver's license (not just for motorcycles) by paying $15-20 and taking a 30-minute test. IMO, more training, education and more thorough testing would definitely help.

OLLE, you bring up an interesting issue. i was reading yesterday where less than 30% of people are letting there kids get thier liscense at 16. personally i think this is pretty smart, cars, bikes, etc. are much more powerful than when we were kids ( the reality is, we didn't all grow up driving hemi's), and a conversation i had with my step daughter a few years back, where she told me her cell phone was more important than transportation, i see why most are waiting. i wish i could remember if that was a local or national article, but i do see a ton of kids at the bus stops at h.s. this year. i'd be interested to know why this has become the norm...

price of cars vs wages for one thing maybe

I was emailed a video yesterday of a bike accident. It is so bad, as in graphic,I can't bring myself to watch it a second time

Im waiting for the "Tron" bike to hit the market.

bad apples in every bunch. same people that ride like jerks drive like jerks. I dont go out of my way for motorcycles, the rules of the road are the same. I dont expect them to go out of their way for me either. Share the road, its all good.....but split lanes between me and another car doing 80 MPH in a turn and im going to drive like you arent there at all. If'n I clip you and you die, i'll sue your family for the scratches to my car. No special rules for MC's vs cars other than they are able to split lanes in traffic at less than 30 mph here in CA. Outside of that - both sides paying attention (drivers and MC riders) would do a lot of good. Those people that rear end a truck at 120...well, Darwin at work and if they hadnt done it on a bike my guess is one day they would of in a car or truck. I look out for them just as I do anyting else on the road. Kinf od prefer aholes like this ride on bikes and didnt do this in a car. Less chance of me or my family getting injured if you plow into my trailer hitch at 120 on a bike than in your car or truck.

It all comes down to awareness, skills and the rider / driver not exceeding those.

I love all 5 of my kids----------but they're not getting a motorcycle over my dead body, even if they live to be 97.

If one of your kids as an adult decides they want a motorcycle you are saying you will be able stop them? :confused:[/quote]

Rob,
Yes, just as easily as I will stop a speeding freight train! :D
(oh ya, ALL of my kids ARE adults------------but a couple of them just haven't grown up yet!)

If one of your kids as an adult decides they want a motorcycle you are saying you will be able stop them? :confused:

Rob,
Yes, just as easily as I will stop a speeding freight train! :D
(oh ya, ALL of my kids ARE adults------------but a couple of them just haven't grown up yet!)[/quote]
I'm with ya! I'm a 49 year old adult and still wondering when I will grow up. :D

And speaking of things that can injure you or kill you, that brings up another issue about something that can do the same thing.
But, I'm going to climb into one every chance I get.
Each of these is about a 300mph pass! One from the outside, one from the inside. I took BOTH videos myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIrZWimmN_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAgPcESLQKE

I'm another LONG TIME rider. Been riding for 43 yrs. Switched from Japanese Bikes to Harley's in 1973. Have 2 Harleys now and would never think of getting rid of them. I ride weekly. I avoid innercity cruising and head out into the open country for my long rides.
People can bring down Bikes all they want, and alot of those people are dead from auto wrecks or Health related problems. To each there own...

Saw no Bashing by Tom. Tom (DZAUTO) has his opinion and I respect Him for his clean opinion..:thumbsup:

I'm only gonna respond to this because...dang! That's a horrible crash.

I lost my left leg in a motorcycle accident 20 years ago (45 mph blowout). :eek:

There are only 4 ways to get hurt on a motorcycle....left, right, forward or backward. :(

Would I ride agin If I made a mod to a trike, yeah probably.

Would I let me son or daughter ride.... HELL NO.

And speaking of things that can injure you or kill you, that brings up another issue about something that can do the same thing.
But, I'm going to climb into one every chance I get.
Each of these is about a 300mph pass! One from the outside, one from the inside. I took BOTH videos myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIrZWimmN_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAgPcESLQKE



Very Cool videos Tom....

And a very good example for this conversation.

Remember how you felt doing that 300MPH pass?

That's exactly how I feel with the wind in my hair, sitting on my Big Harley V-Twin, counter steering into a hard 40 MPH posted Curve, one handed at 55 MPH with my feet up on the highway Pegs.

Was it dangerous for you? Yes...

Is it dangerous for me? yes.

Do we care? ............. No.

It's our passion.

That video is a prime example to help you understand our perspective.

It's what makes us feel alive and free.



And for the same reasons you do pre-flight checks and regular maintenance, (those of us with any common sense) do the same with driving defensively.

Taking safety precautions and eliminating risks to enjoy our passions.

Both of which are inherantly dangerous.

I am fanatically opposed to acting stupid while riding your bike

Well said.

I've been riding bikes for 47 of my 57 years. The only accident I was involved in was with Bambi's mom about 10 years ago. Bambi was orphaned and I got a few scratches and a broken toe. My Goldwing wasn't so lucky. It was 4 years old with 55000 miles on the clock. The book value was 8200.00, the insurance estimate to repair came to 7998.50. needless to say, a new Wing was ordered imediately. I now have 90,000 miles on it. You just have to pay attention 120% of the time.Dont trust anyone but yourself when your out and about. That's my 2 cents about that.

I gave him $2000 to put into his old Corvette just keep him off the bikes

I'll have to remember that when my son or daughter asks for a bike. $2000 well spent.

I'm only gonna respond to this because...dang! That's a horrible crash.

I lost my left leg in a motorcycle accident 20 years ago (45 mph blowout). :eek:

There are only 4 ways to get hurt on a motorcycle....left, right, forward or backward. :(

Would I ride agin If I made a mod to a trike, yeah probably.

Would I let me son or daughter ride.... HELL NO.Thanks for sharing your bad experience. That sounds like quite a reality check. I'm very sorry to hear that. I work with a guy who also had a similar experience. I never heard of anyone losing a leg from getting a tire blowout at 45 MPH in a car. :noway:

Imagine how much safer the roads would be if EVERYONE rode a motorcycle. People would think twice about not paying attention and doing stupid aggressive maneuvers, with no cage suddenly things are alot more REAL on the road. People would be more courteous. The morons would quickly weed themselves out of the gene pool. The people that have no business operating a vehicle moving 65+ mph wouldn't be able to get on the road anyway because they couldn't ride a bike. Gas prices would fall because we would have a fraction of the demand that we do now. Pollution from emissions would decrease. Traffic jams would be virtually eliminated and the same roads would support more people. Same for parking.

Obviously that's an unrealistic and idealistic view, but it makes sense. :)

Thanks for sharing your bad experience. That sounds like quite a reality check. I'm very sorry to hear that. I work with a guy who also had a similar experience. I never heard of anyone losing a leg from getting a tire blowout at 45 MPH in a car. :noway:

i have, actually was a witness as it happened, he didn't loose a leg, he died.......and by the way, i've seen several amputees and double amputees ride, and they weren't on trikes.

everybody has an opinion, mine probably isn't worth as much as most, but these threads really never go anywhere. if you don't want to ride...fine, but putting up b.s. pics and stories goes nowhere, for every pic and story of a bike mishap, there are just as many for cars, planes, trains auto's etc. it all really means nothing, it won't stop me from riding, and it won't get you to ride, so it looks like i'm waisting band width with the rest of y'all....

i have, actually was a witness as it happened, he didn't loose a leg, he died.......and by the way, i've seen several amputees and double amputees ride, and they weren't on trikes.

everybody has an opinion, mine probably isn't worth as much as most, but these threads really never go anywhere. if you don't want to ride...fine, but putting up b.s. pics and stories goes nowhere, for every pic and story of a bike mishap, there are just as many for cars, planes, trains auto's etc. it all really means nothing, it won't stop me from riding, and it won't get you to ride, so it looks like i'm waisting band width with the rest of y'all....

100% correct!! When it’s your time it your time. All you can do is to be careful and live your life to the fullest. My feeling is if I ride again that if I do die that nobody gets hurt in the process, but I do think some of these hot-rodder on bikes need to watch out for others. Case in point my wife almost hit one on a Harley last night, the only thing that saved him was we heard him as he was about to pass us. He was doing 60 in a 40 zone and my wife looked back to make a lane change and he came out from an apartment complex like a bat out of h#!!, luckily she heard him before she hit him. The funny thing was he flipped her off for saving his life.

Yep, that's natural selection at work. Not nearly as good as the guy who rode his crotch rocket through a Taco Bell at 150. I'd post the pics but they would be removed before I pressed the submit button. Just picture an upside-down wiley coyote hole in the wall, plus all the gruesome end pictures, lol.

i gotta tell you, you guys are going to see a lot more of this type of stuff, with the t.v. shows of stunt riders, and the amazingly fast bikes that are now available, and just the sheer lack of respect for others, it's just going down hill. i ride about 300 days a year, and i'm not one who rides speed limit, but i do not lane split at 90 m.p.h. i don't wheely threw traffic at 100+, i don't pass traffic in the emergency lane, or any of the other idiocy i see on a daily basis.

these guys don't realize, we don't really care what happens to them, but when they pull these shenanigans, they startle people, which can cause chain reactions that put us all in harms way.

you know, i have this kid in my neighborhood, he's the son of a local cop, and i guess he thinks this gives him the right to drive in the center divider, to pass people on the right on a one lane street, to make lefts from the right turn lane, and i can't even begin to tell you what i've seen him do on a bike. i've had run ins with him and his dad, and not that i want anybody to get hurt, but i can't wait for his kid to cause a major accident, because i've kept notes, and i'm going to be the first to line up against this turd in court. this guy is so callous, that i've already made a plan. if he kills my wife, i'll only need two bullets, one for him, one for me...

this isn't a kid who's going to make a mistake, this is a kid who on a daily basis, runs threw town like he's out of an action movie, darting in and out of traffic, running lights, passing in one lane intercections. i'm just surprised he hasn't killed anybody yet....

if he kills my wife, i'll only need two bullets, one for him, one for me...

Why wait until it gets to that?

if he kills my wife, i'll only need two bullets, one for him, one for me...

Why wait until it gets to that?


He needs his Wifes permission first :D

BillyGMan,

I didn't loose the leg a direct result of the blowout,..it was the resulting sudden impact of the bike against my leg that caused most of the damage. :)

BAD - Front tire blown (hit a pot hole) at 45 MPH on a curve.
GOOD -I see a fresh plowed field to run the bike into (can't steer with a flat front)
BAD - After jumping a 4' ditch, I caught a rail-road tie disguised as a fence post. I would have had fewer injuries if it was a normal 3' fence post or a t-bar post.
STILL BAD - my left hand/leg takes the impact into the post.
STILL BADDER - Lower leg almost amputated, upper thigh mostly crushed, left hand /arm with a bunch of broken bones.
Sorta GOOD - When I separated from the bike (probably in the air as I slid upward along the post), it landed upright and was still running. :eek: i think the local salvage yard bought the bike and drove it.....Some new handle bars and a side case and it's probably still around unless "bike karma" took it off the road as a parts bike.

i gotta tell you, you guys are going to see a lot more of this type of stuff, with the t.v. shows of stunt riders, and the amazingly fast bikes that are now available, and just the sheer lack of respect for others, it's just going down hill. i ride about 300 days a year, and i'm not one who rides speed limit, but i do not lane split at 90 m.p.h. i don't wheely threw traffic at 100+, i don't pass traffic in the emergency lane, or any of the other idiocy i see on a daily basis.

these guys don't realize, we don't really care what happens to them, but when they pull these shenanigans, they startle people, which can cause chain reactions that put us all in harms way.

you know, i have this kid in my neighborhood, he's the son of a local cop, and i guess he thinks this gives him the right to drive in the center divider, to pass people on the right on a one lane street, to make lefts from the right turn lane, and i can't even begin to tell you what i've seen him do on a bike. i've had run ins with him and his dad, and not that i want anybody to get hurt, but i can't wait for his kid to cause a major accident, because i've kept notes, and i'm going to be the first to line up against this turd in court. this guy is so callous, that i've already made a plan. if he kills my wife, i'll only need two bullets, one for him, one for me...

this isn't a kid who's going to make a mistake, this is a kid who on a daily basis, runs threw town like he's out of an action movie, darting in and out of traffic, running lights, passing in one lane intercections. i'm just surprised he hasn't killed anybody yet....

you can bet the day is coming when something bad happens for this kid and many others like him because they think they are bullet proof. there has been a problem around here with these punks ganging up and surrounding someone in a vehicle while going down the highway and harassing them. popping wheelies and driving ignorant. they will screw with the wrong person one of these days. :yes:

you can bet the day is coming when something bad happens for this kid and many others like him because they think they are bullet proof. there has been a problem around here with these punks ganging up and surrounding someone in a vehicle while going down the highway and harassing them. popping wheelies and driving ignorant. they will screw with the wrong person one of these days. :yes:

It happen in L.A. more than once. This one car/bike thing happen many years ago on the Pasdena freeway, the oldest and narrowest freeway in L.A. An easy going motorist accidently cut off a notorious motorcycle gang of rotten thugs and the bikes went after him and started terrororizing him. Kicking the car and cutting in front of him and slowing him down. What did he do? He was scared to hell, and hit the gas and ran over 6 bikes knocking them on the freeway as the other bikes went after him. What happen then you say.........I don't remember...Pretty sure he got away. Like I said, can't remember all of it but I think guns were involved too.

its not the bike-he could have done the same thing in a chevy colbalt