Ok, So I am trying to doc my chevelle. So I bought this 69 chevelle from a dealer, and I am in the process of checking all numbers. I checked my vin number and it is 136378b102487 now according to the websites I have checked including yours it states the the 6 digit is the year...meaning 68, Well I know mine is a 69 but whats up with the vin number...was it just built late that year ? Also my engine code is 3902406 cm2, I looked this up and it says 396 built in 67...Just trying I did not get screwed from the dealer because he said everything is original from factory. He told me it was orderded special from a big wig at chevy with lots of options...checking the rearend numbers now... Can't find a engine badge anywhere, all I have is the vin and casting numbers...any help would be greatful...Thanks alot...Also is there a way to know if I have the L34 or L78 package ?

Trevor

The vin is for a early model 68 chevelle, the 6th digit in the vin is for the year. What does you title say 68/69? Did you verify the title with the vin tag on the car? It looks that you car was built sometime in September of 67 in the Baltimore plant.

Looking for the Title now, But on the registration it says 1969 Chevelle, So that tells me it would be have to be a 69 right ? Do to the fact that the Dmv would have to check that..right.. but I will update when I find the title. Is there anyway physically I could check the car to see if it is a 69? What about the Package L78 ?

Thanks for you help...starting to get depressed..because correct me if I am wrong but isnt a 69ss alot more valuable then a 68ss....

I don't think 69's are necessarily a lot more valuable however a 68 without the 8 as the third digit in the VIN can not be an SS while a 69 136 car can be an SS.

Do you know the differences between the 68's and 69's ?
Dash
Taillights
Grill

Is the ignition lock on the column or in the dash?

The L78 can't really be proven yey or ney without some form of documentation.

The ignition lock is in the column, I know the heads are the hi perf ones, they say it on the head. the engine code is 3902406 with a cm2 by it, I looked it up and it say 396 made in 67. the manifolds have 3916178 on them, if that helps any... They crazy thing is that it looks like a 69, I mean everything.. I have had it at tons of car shows and everyone says it is a 69... what is going on.....and on the dash it has a SS decal on the dash in the middle right below a small dash pod (there is little hole there too) that has chevelle written in it, also it says chevelle ss on the passenger side of the dash.... I am going crazy...thanks for all the help

Sounds to me like someone cloned a 69SS out of a 68 Malibu!!
1 - Chevrolet
36 - Malibu, Custom El Camino, 8-cylinder
37 - 2-door sport coupe
8 - 1968
B ~ Baltimore, Maryland
102487 - built Early September 1967

What is the info on the cowl tag?

Confused about finding the cowl tag, Where do I find it ?

Do you know the differences between the 68's and 69's ?
Dash
Taillights
Grill


Don't forget the vent window in the 68's.

Vent window do you mean that the rear window would be a vent type ? Like in a truck, where it fold out ? There rear windows in mine roll down. what did the question about the ignition lock mean ? mine is on the column

Wing windows on the doors.

oh I know what your talking about, the vents on the front doors...nope I dont have those...so I guess I at least have 69 doors...

Bumpers are also different 68/69

Clue for factory L78 375hp/396 is a 5700 orange line/6000 rpm redline tach.

Cowl tag in on the cowl on the left side when you open the hood. It looks likes this.


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/chevelleman66/DSCF1882.jpg

its removed....another bad sign

its removed....another bad sign

It sure is.
I think I would be talking to the seller about a refund because sounds like someone switched the VIN tag AND you got a title from the other car.
Did the title say 69? because the VIN is 68.

I don't think 69's are necessarily a lot more valuable however a 68 without the 8 as the third digit in the VIN can not be an SS while a 69 136 car can be an SS.

Do you know the differences between the 68's and 69's ?
Dash
Taillights
Grill

Is the ignition lock on the column or in the dash?

The L78 can't really be proven yey or ney without some form of documentation.

What do you mean the third number cant be a 8 ? the third number is for the engine....odd mean 6 cyl and even means 8cyl.. so 136 means 8cyl... so are you saying for a 68 ss it would be like 138 or 134 or 132? not a 136

Ok, from the comments above here is what I understand:

- No vent windows in doors.
- Ignition in steering column.
- No cowl trim plate.
- 8 in the VIN number.

Don't try to put any creedence in the engine or remainder of drivetrain as it appears it is not original to this car.

I hate to say it Trevor, but it seems like you have a car of many breeds. I'm guessing it was some kind of salvage car or a 69 body without a VIN tag and somebody has put a 68 VIN on it just to register it and sell it. Somehow they were able to convince the DMV that it is in fact a 1969 car. Perhaps the title will confirm something. Hope I'm wrong, but that's a tough situation to be in.

I would definitely raise these questions with the dealer and, to be honest, I would request your money be returned. The dealer must have record of where they got the car and the DMV and/or the Police and/or a lawyer would be very interested to know the history. Good luck.

Just my humble opinion.

I agree with Don on this one. That car should smell like fish because something is fishy with all the info supplied so far.

68 was the last year the 8 was used on the chevelles in the third digit. How long have you had the car?, as said I would be in contact with the seller.

What do you mean the third number cant be a 8 ? the third number is for the engine....odd mean 6 cyl and even means 8cyl.. so 136 means 8cyl... so are you saying for a 68 ss it would be like 138 or 134 or 132? not a 136

Well the third digit being an even number does mean V8 but what I meant was - ALL 66-68 USA built SS Chevelles had an "8" as the third digit of the VIN.
The 1968 - 136 VIN is a NON SS Malibu VIN because ALL 1968 SS VIN's were 138.

Now in 69 the SS could have been 136 or 134 BUT the NON SS could have been the same in 69.

Did you look at what the title says?

To seal the deal on it being a '68 VIN besides the -8, the '69 Unit numbers started with a 3 followed by 5 numbers.

So the VIN after the B would have to be 302487 in this instance for it to be a '69.

Thanks guys for all your input, The thing that sucks is this car was bought a year ago and I have put about 6000 into it on suspensions, rearend,trans, carb..exc.... The only reason I looked into the vin was because I read this article about copo car in the Muscle Car Review March 08 issue and the chevelle looked exactly like mine, so I was interested in seeing if mine was a copo car, and now I find out this crap...Once again thanks for all your help and super quick responses!!! I will be calling the dealer tomorrow...

Thanks Guys, This Website is Awesome!

Just trying to confirm I did not get screwed from the dealer because he said everything is original from factory. He told me it was orderded special from a big wig at chevy with lots of options.
Trevor

It is really a shame to hear stories like this from dealers Trevor. They must have had a real big shovel to move their piles of **** if this is how they try to promote their cars.

I think all of us on here would really be interested in hearing what the dealer says when you talk to them. Of course, it could be the dealer themselves that got taken when they bought it and they were passing on a line of BS to proposed purchasers.

We normally do not allow "bashing" in these forums. However, if this turns out to be a real case of "false representation" knowingly done by the dealer in question, then I honestly feel they need to be exposed. There is always two sides to every story, so your "gut feeling" of the circumstances after your discussion would be very significant.

Please keep us posted.

It sounds like to me that someone took a 68 cab section because they had a VIN and title for it and turned it into a 69, or a half-assed version of one.

Thanks guys, I still have not got my hands on the title yet, Need to get from the bank tomorrow, After that I have deceided to talk to my lawyer before calling the dealer, I will keep everyone informed as soon as I know something and would be more than happy to tell you who the dealer is once I know the whole story. Thanks again everyone.

I don't think that this advice has been given yet-if so, sorry for the repetition. If it were me, I'd pull the heater box and check the firewall VIN.

I don't think that this advice has been given yet-if so, sorry for the repetition. If it were me, I'd pull the heater box and check the firewall VIN.Good idea and see if their is also a frame vin on the back side behind the driver side back wheel?
The heater box vin is upside down under the blower motor.
Here is a picture of the heater box area:
http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z238/1badss396/Media%20Blast%20Body/th_1105.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z238/1badss396/Media%20Blast%20Body/?action=view&current=1105.jpg)

Ok, So I am trying to doc my chevelle. So I bought this 69 chevelle from a dealer, and I am in the process of checking all numbers. I checked my vin number and it is 136378b102487 now according to the websites I have checked including yours it states the the 6 digit is the year...meaning 68, Well I know mine is a 69 but whats up with the vin number...was it just built late that year ? Also my engine code is 3902406 cm2, I looked this up and it says 396 built in 67...Just trying I did not get screwed from the dealer because he said everything is original from factory. He told me it was orderded special from a big wig at chevy with lots of options...checking the rearend numbers now... Can't find a engine badge anywhere, all I have is the vin and casting numbers...any help would be greatful...Thanks alot...Also is there a way to know if I have the L34 or L78 package ?

Trevor


136378 is for a 1968 malibu V-8. if you can find the correct VIN elsewhere on the car I can get you paperwork for a correct title.

136378 is for a 1968 malibu V-8. if you can find the correct VIN elsewhere on the car I can get you paperwork for a correct title.

That might just make matters worse if the VIN tag has been switched.

That might just make matters worse if the VIN tag has been switched.

Exactly what I was thinking, a "correct title" for the VIN plate, but maybe not for the actual car itself...

I know the heads are the hi perf ones, they say it on the head. the engine code is 3902406, I looked it up and it say 396 made in 67.

"regular" performance heads and blocks say "pass Hi Perf" (or some similar variation), even the base 325 HP versions... that does NOT mean they are "hi perf" heads...

Regardless, the L-34 was considered HP...

The L78 was SHP, Special High Performance (but the heads didn't say "special").

While not "correct", the L78 intake (assuming thats whats on the car) will bolt onto and function fine on "regular" heads...


Basically, you need to remove the valve covers and look at the casting numbers to ID the heads... Post those numbers here, and someone will tell you what you have...


As for the ...406 block, yes, typically a '67 item, but maybe for early 68 too (I really don't know)... Your VIN (136378b102487) indicates a very early built 68, but its the 136 anyway, so the 396 shouldn't be original...

That might just make matters worse if the VIN tag has been switched.

Yeah, that would make things real messy but I think you're right, that's what may have happened. Otherwise, it was trimmed out as a 69 by someone.

He would be fine if he wanted to keep the car for life but if he wanted to sell it sometime it would be a problem if it was caught.

I'd pull the heater box just to check anyway if it were mine. Hopefully it was just trimmed out and not an illegally changed VIN.

Ok guys got the title that I got from the dmv, but like a idiot I didnt make a copy of the original title that I gave to the dmv..(because that had the name of the guy who sold it to the dealer) but all my title says is this

vin. 136378B102487 Year Model # 1969 Make = Chevy. Body Style= 2S

So does this proof anything ?

Talking to the dealer tomorrow, Hopefully they will be helpful because they advertised 1969 Chevelle SS 396. Now here is my problem.. I have so much work and money into this car that a total refund would suck. I mean I added a advance engine design carb 750, Total detailed the engine, chrome, braided lines,Electric fuel pump, Exhaust, Gauges, Ignition system, rewired almost everything,Nitrous System,Ladder bars, rear sway bars, poly bushings centerlink and lots more. I mean this is car is show inside and out.

So here is my question, Below is how the car was bought and advertised.

1969 Chevelle 396 SS

Body perfect (no rust, no dings, brand new paint job. Good Paint job. I have friends that are pro painters verify this)

Moldings were dry rotted

All chrome was minor pitted, including door handles.

Keys did not fit doors, but the ignition key did work.

front and rear bumbers were dinged and bent.

There sale paper work claimed 58,000 original miles. (but my title is blank in odometer section.)

12 bolt posi with 496 gear

All Decals were correct and in right spots.

So I think 25,000 was a good price for this, if it was what it was suppose to be.

But now that we know it is a 69 Clone, What do you think it should have been worth when I bought it ? I am going to try and get a partial refund because of couse I am heartbroken that I dont have a real chevelle SS but I am too connected to this car to let it go. Once again thanks for all the quick replys everyone.

Ok guys got the title that I got from the dmv, but like a idiot I didnt make a copy of the original title that I gave to the dmv..(because that had the name of the guy who sold it to the dealer) but all my title says is this

vin. 136378B102487 Year Model # 1969 Make = Chevy. Body Style= 2S

So does this proof anything ?

Talking to the dealer tomorrow, Hopefully they will be helpful because they advertised 1969 Chevelle SS 396. Now here is my problem.. I have so much work and money into this car that a total refund would suck. I mean I added a advance engine design carb 750, Total detailed the engine, chrome, braided lines,Electric fuel pump, Exhaust, Gauges, Ignition system, rewired almost everything,Nitrous System,Ladder bars, rear sway bars, poly bushings centerlink and lots more. I mean this is car is show inside and out.

So here is my question, Below is how the car was bought and advertised.

1969 Chevelle 396 SS

Body perfect (no rust, no dings, brand new paint job. Good Paint job. I have friends that are pro painters verify this)

Moldings were dry rotted

All chrome was minor pitted, including door handles.

Keys did not fit doors, but the ignition key did work.

front and rear bumbers were dinged and bent.

There sale paper work claimed 58,000 original miles. (but my title is blank in odometer section.)

12 bolt posi with 496 gear

All Decals were correct and in right spots.

So I think 25,000 was a good price for this, if it was what it was suppose to be.

But now that we know it is a 69 Clone, What do you think it should have been worth when I bought it ? I am going to try and get a partial refund because of couse I am heartbroken that I dont have a real chevelle SS but I am too connected to this car to let it go. Once again thanks for all the quick replys everyone.
Again, I'll offer to stop by and take a look at it. I may be in your area tomorrow. If interested give me a call tomorrow on the cell phone number that I left for you in the private message I sent to you. You probably have several options as to how you can proceed from here.

Good idea and see if their is also a frame vin on the back side behind the driver side back wheel?
The heater box vin is upside down under the blower motor.
Here is a picture of the heater box area:
http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z238/1badss396/Media%20Blast%20Body/th_1105.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z238/1badss396/Media%20Blast%20Body/?action=view&current=1105.jpg)

Seems like alot of work to get the heater box off, now from what I can tell the vin by the windows looks like there is no way it was altered, so this vin more than likely the same..right? because it connected to same part of the car...now I looked for the vin by the drivers side rear but did not see anything, there is a lot of undercoating.. can anyone show me a pic or give me a more descriptive location...thanks

Very different Vin there, def a 69 Vin and a much later build judging by the numerical sequence. Someone somewhere did a Vin switch or its a built car from two different cars. Bad news I think.

Seems like alot of work to get the heater box off, now from what I can tell the vin by the windows looks like there is no way it was altered, so this vin more than likely the same..right? because it connected to same part of the car...now I looked for the vin by the drivers side rear but did not see anything, there is a lot of undercoating.. can anyone show me a pic or give me a more descriptive location...thanks

On my 69, the frame VIN is either not there or so faint that it is illegible. Also, from what I've heard, it's on the top of the frame. It may seem like a lot of work but checking under the heater box is he best was to determine the actual VIN of the car.

Do you have any other paper work from when you bought it? loan papers etc. It is very weird that the title reads 136378 and then also reads 69 on the title.

On my 69 it dont have a vin on the fire wall but I believe it is suppose. I am starting to think its an typo that got over looked at the dmv some how. I do have a 66 title that is missing one digit out of production number.

I do think removing the inner and looking for the vin would be worth the time so you can verify and sleep at night. I can post a picture tomorrow of where the vin is on the frame, But these frames get replaced alot cuz of rust problems.

Does the title match the vin tag?

It is very weird that the title reads 136378 and then also reads 69 on the title.


This could be as simple as a typo, all this info in entered manually by the person filling out the application for title and then hand keyed into the DMV system, so errors can happen and often do. I had a new car dealer mess up the title on a new 1990 Chevy I bought, changed a 3 to an 8.

Trevor, was this car red when you bought it?
Got a picture?
The reason I ask is, there was a lady a while back selling a red 69 that had a 68 title that matched the 68 VIN tag.
She swore that the car came that way and we argued about it.
Seems like it was a couple of years ago but I can't remember her name or where she lived now.

It's not all the hard to remove the inner fender and the blower motor although the hidden VIN NOT being there would make it a waste of time but the wrong VIN stamped there would make it well worth the effort.

The question is do the numbers on the VIN tag match the numbers on the title?

That might just make matters worse if the VIN tag has been switched.


i'm talking about the correct "hidden" VIN not a replaced VIN tag.

This could be as simple as a typo, all this info in entered manually by the person filling out the application for title and then hand keyed into the DMV system, so errors can happen and often do. I had a new car dealer mess up the title on a new 1990 Chevy I bought, changed a 3 to an 8.

I don't think this is a DMV typo due to the fact that in 1968 Baltimore built cars the sequence in the vin always started with a 1. In this case the vin (136378B102487) in question is from the 2487th car built on the Baltimore line in the 68 model year. In 69 all vin sequence numbers built at the Baltimore plant started with a 3. There is no way that that vin is from a 69 car. I don't believe the 13 character vin is checked by the DMV. When I titled my 68 the DMV made a typo of the B for the Baltimore plant to an 8. So my title read 1383788. I had that immediately correct and was sent a new title. That fact that the cowl tag is missing make this even more serious suspect especially if this car was sold as an SS. Who is the dealer so we know who to stay away from?

i'm talking about the correct "hidden" VIN not a replaced VIN tag.

I still don't think that is the way to handle the situation.
(IF the correct VIN tag is gone that is.)

Sure you might be able to get the numbers changed on the title but what good would that do IF the original VIN tag is gone?
Or can you somehow have a new VIN tag made?

Trevor, was this car red when you bought it?
Got a picture?
The reason I ask is, there was a lady a while back selling a red 69 that had a 68 title that matched the 68 VIN tag.
She swore that the car came that way and we argued about it.
Seems like it was a couple of years ago but I can't remember her name or where she lived now.

It's not all the hard to remove the inner fender and the blower motor although the hidden VIN NOT being there would make it a waste of time but the wrong VIN stamped there would make it well worth the effort.

The question is do the numbers on the VIN tag match the numbers on the title?

Yes the body was red, and the dealer painted it black, Can anybody answer the question about the cost for this so I can ask for a valid refund from the dealer ?

Does the title match the vin on the dash?

Is there any signs of a body section where its been welded together?

As stated this could be a simple typo at the dmv. I would go up to the dmv and show them the title and see if they can go back and see if there was a change in the number by a typo. I dont know how far they can go back but its worth a try.

Back 15-20 years ago there wasnt the info on these car as there is now and alot of people didnt care. the title says 69 so when it was being fixed up all the 69 parts went on it because the owner thought it was a 69 cuz that was what the title says. jmo

You have a 68 chevelle not 69.

I would like to see pictures if possible

Or can you somehow have a new VIN tag made?

Of course not! <wink><wink>;)

A couple of senarios.

1. It's probably not a typo because two numbers are wrong for a 69 which is the year the car appears to be. The number before the B needs to be a 9. The number after the B needs to be a 3. So lets say it's a 68 body.

2. A 69 was stolen and the vin from a junked 68 was removed and attached to the stolen 69's dash. The year on the title was changed from 68 to 69 and DMV didn't notice.

3.It is the right vin and a 69 was stolen and all the parts were moved onto the 68 body and the year on the title was changed and no one noticed.

4. Someone in the past legitimately owned both a 68 and a 69 and made one car out of them

5. The remaining question is how could the year on the title be out a year?

Finding another vin on the vehicle to see if it matches the dash is the only way to piece it together. If the firewall vin doesen't match the dash vin, the firewall vin can be sent to the cops to see if it's listed as stolen. This is where it could get messy.

Thanks guys, Scott from the forum just stopped by and showed me all of the places to look for the con vin numbers, So after work I will be removing the heater box and checking there, sanding the undercoating off behind the rear tire and checking there and also we found the number on the front of the block but I need to remove the alt to get all the numbers.... I might even remove the gastank and look under there.

Once again thanks to everyone and Thanks A lot to Scott for coming by today. Will post later tonight or tomorrow to let you guys know what I find out.

Was the question ever answered "does the VIN tag match the title?"
If so I missed it. :confused:

I'm thinking this is the same red car as before maybe :confused:

Was the question ever answered "does the VIN tag match the title?"
If so I missed it. :confused:

I'm thinking this is the same red car as before maybe :confused:
Dean, I stopped by and looked at the car yesterday. Although I didn't look at the title, I do believe Trevor has confirmed that the vin matched the title. It is definitely a 68 vin number. The DMV at some point in time messed up and used 1969 chevelle as the description. They were probably given that information by the dealer or the person who titled the car after the restoration. It is a very nice car. Undercoating has been used very liberally on the frame, so it's going to be a bit difficult for Trevor to find the frame con vins. It is very possible that someone changed this 68 to a 69 SS clone. If so, Trevor is in the clear, but probably has some legal recourse available to him against the dealer that sold the car to him. I'm not all that familiar with 68 vs 69 differences, but the car doesn't have vent windows and the rear is a 69. I don't know if the quarterpanels are the same on the 68 vs 69. But the car has 69 tail lights and 69 front fenders. Again, this car has been thoroughly restored. These things could have easily been changed during that restoration.

Scott, 68 fenders and rear quarters are different. The front fenders on a 68 have the side marker light that contains the engine size. The rear quarters on a 68 have no side marker lights and where the rear bumper fits the quarter is angled top to bottom forward. Also 68 hood hinges have longer spacing between the bolts that mount the hinge to the hood. That is just a few of the differences. I would like to see some pics. It sounds like someone put a 68 Malibu vin on a 69 car or they went to alot of trouble to make a 68 into a 69.

Trevor, Did you find anymore out on this vin situation? Did you have time to pull the inner fender?
Please let us know what you come up with.

Anybody here anything new on this?

Anybody here anything new on this?
Brent,
I had stopped by and looked at the car, whenever this was posted. I believe that the car was red before it was painted black (according to Trevor and the owner). Seems like the motor may have been out of a 66 or 67. The date code on the frame was like May of 69. The frame had some serious undercoating on it.
I don't know what they finally found out as he stopped communicating with me after helping him find the date code. The owner had some health issues and Trevor was trying to help him find out what course of action to take. I think that the main issue they were having was that the owner had sunk a good amount of money into the car after he bought it and before he learned that there were VIN issues. I believe if it were my car, I would have at least confronted the dealer before I decided what to do.

Thanks for the info, Scott. It was kind of a long shot because Trevor stated he had bought the car a year ago, and mine was taken in September 2007. That timeline doesn't work out if the car is mine with a new VIN. I was just curious.

Thanks for the info, Scott. It was kind of a long shot because Trevor stated he had bought the car a year ago, and mine was taken in September 2007. That timeline doesn't work out if the car is mine with a new VIN. I was just curious.
Good luck finding yours, Brent.

Thanks.

Forgive me if I missed it. But what dash is in it? A 68 or 69? I dont think you can swap those years very easily.

ok 1968 was the last year that 138 code was used for the SS, in 1969 the SS was an option on all models including 300 Deluxe even, the numbers are as follows in 1968:

131 - 300 Series, 6-cylinder
132 - 300 Series, 8-cylinder
133 - 300 Deluxe, 6-cylinder
134 - 300 Deluxe, 8-cylinder
135 - Malibu, 6-cylinder
136 - Malibu, 8-cylinder which you have like your vin is 136378B
137 - Concours, 6-cylinder
138 - SS396, 8-cylinder

136 - Malibu, 8-cylinder most Malibus from 68 are 136 not many were ordered with the 6-cylinder many were ordered as 300 series 6-cylinder cars:thumbsup:

37 - 2 door Sport Coupe

8 - 1968 model year

B - Baltimore, Maryland built car
Hope this helps you bud:thumbsup:

Now for the 69 they dropped the 300 Model and continued on with the 300 Deluxe model, now here are examples of the model codes for 69

133 - 300 Deluxe, 6-cylinder
134 - 300 Deluxe, 8-cylinder (could be had with the SS396 option 2 door sedan too.)
135 - Malibu, 6-cylinder
136 - Malibu, 8-cylinder (SS396 option could be had on this model also)
137 - Concours, 6-cylinder

example vin 134279B101928

now this vin above is a 300 Deluxe, 8 cylinder, 2 door sedan, 1969, Baltimore, Maryland car, that was unit number 1,928

now i could of sworn ive seen a 1969 vin plate on a station wagon that was a concours that said 138 i could be mistaken but it would have noted an 8-cylinder not an SS396 option.

in 1970 the monte carlo picked up the 138 code

hope all this info helps

'138' series Chevelles continued right up to 1972 and actually began in 1967. People tend to forget about the 13835/45 & 13836/46 Concours & Concours Estate wagons with 138xx VIN's as well as the 70-72 13857 Monte Carlo; not that they'd be confused for a SS396 car from 66-68 but saying a '138' car is an SS car is not entirely correct. 1968 had two Concours V8 wagons, 13835 for the 6 passenger, 2 seat and 13845 for the 9 passenger, 3 seat. 1969 saw both the Concours and Concours Estate series. The 'base' Concours was reduced to the Malibu 136 series while the Concours Estate took over the 138 series. While there was a 13735 6-cyl Concours in 1968, the 6-cyl was dropped from the Concours wagon line in 1969, i.e., no 137xx Concours in 1969 and later.

The '8' in the VIN is the model year, 1968 in this case. FWIW, if it were a 1969 VIN, the sequence numbers for 1969 started with 300001 at all plants that year. ;)

I'd love to see some pics of this car. Pics of the interior, dash, engine compartment, front and rear exterior may help considerably. Also a pic of the VIN amy help.

As I understand it, everything looks 69 except the VIN

This is either the third time I've heard of such a car or the third time I've heard of THIS car.

This may not mean nothing, but I looked at a car in greenville nc about 5 or 6 years ago that was supposed to be a 69 ss with ac, buckets and was red. I asked the guy if he had the title and he said yes and it was for a 1968. I remember looking at the vin and thinking something want right, maybe a malibu/ss can't remember but the guy said the car was local car. I remember it had the offset intake on it. The dealer want happy when I told him he had problems with the title. I went down there with a video camera and took video of the car cause my father was looking for a car and was too busy to go with me. That video my still be around somewhere.

I'd love to see some pics of this car.

Yeah, me too.