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: Viper T56 Conversion with pics


jonfarrugia
Feb 23rd, 08, 11:35 PM
I've been working on My 67 Beaumont project for a few years now. The progress can be seen at:
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181312

I figured I would create a new thread for this specific topic.

I purchased the entire power train from a 98 Viper and I currently adding it into my 67 Beaumont. So far the largest number of question I had with this project was trying to convert my 67 Beaumont, which was setup for an automatic tranny, to a manual viper T56. The Viper T56 tranny is stock I never got the master cylinder setup with the power train purchase. So my first dilemma was trying to figure out what master cylinder was required to make this system work. After talking to a few people from this forum and many other forums I decided to purchase the master cylinder, reservoir, and braided line from a 2002 camaro (GM Part#12570277). The local dealership wanted $350 for the package. I found a genuine GM part on ebay for $130. You can also purchase the same part from http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/catalog/frameset.cfm for $128

Here is a picture of the master cylinder package (GM Part#12570277)
[IMG]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2873.jpg

Once I got the master cylinder in I soon figured out that the mating connectors from the 2002 camaro master cylinder to the Viper slave cylinder located in the transmission were not compatible! There was oil leakage when the clutch pedal was pressed.

This picture shows the mating from the 2002 master cylinder braided line male connector to the Viper T56 slave cylinder female connector. It clicks together but doesn't make a good seal.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2726.jpg

So now I had to figure out how to connect the two together. I was going to purchase the slave cylinder from a 2002 camaro T56 but then I realized that the slave cylinders from a Viper T56 and a Camaro T56 have different bolt paterens.

The top picture is the slave cylinder from camaro T56 while the bottom picture is the slave cylinder from a viper T56. Notice the bolt holes are located in different locations on the base on the cylinder.
http://gripforce.com/images/ebay/clutches/S0418.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2874.jpg

After comparing the two slave cylinders I figured that if I tapped out the spring pin that held the female mating connectors in, I could swap the connector from the camaro slave cylinder and connect it to the viper slave. It would then be possible to connect the master cyclinder from a 2002 camaro into the slave from my Viper T56. The next step was to locate someone what would sell me just the female connector from the camaro T56 slave cylinder. Very hard to find one....but I did. I found a company was willing to give me any number of these connectors I just had to pay for shipping...JACKPOT!

If you need the female connector from a camaro slave contact: http://www.brakeandclutchservice.com/brakeandclutchservice_com/door/

Here are a few picture that compares the mating connector from the slave of a Viper T56 and a camaro T56. The Camaro connector is goldish while the Viper connector is black. The Viper connector is about a 1/4" longer but it doesn't really mater.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2864.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2869.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2865.jpg

By removing the spring pin that held the connector into the slave cylinder, I was able to swap the female mating connectors, it was an easy swap. Here is a picture that shows the Camaro T56 master cylinder connected to a Viper T56 slave cylinder.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2871.jpg

Now that I had that figured out, the next step was to mount the master cylinder to my pedals. Because the pedal were originally an auto, I had to order a set of manual brake a clutch pedals from www.npdlink.com There was alot of modifications needed to make the pedal assembly work!

Here is a picture of the bracket that I had to make up to mount the master cylinder onto the back of the brake booster with the proper angles.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2842.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2843.jpg

jonfarrugia
Feb 23rd, 08, 11:37 PM
The brake brake also needed to be modified to except the new clutch pedal. The clutch pedal also needed to be modified to mount the new hydraulic master cylinder to. I cut off the existing tab from the clutch pedal and welded on another in a different location for the master cylinder. The new hole for the master cylinder was drilled 2" from the clutch pivot center. I also needed to add hard stops for the clutch pedal to prevent the driver from over stroking the master cylinder. There was also a hard stop used to adjust the rest location of the clutch pedal. I noticed that the master cylinder has about 1" of total travel. I adjusted the clutch pedal hard stops to limit the cylinder travel to 7/8" which is about 5" of pedal travel at the pad. I then decided to weld in some brackets to add a micro switch on the clutch to determine when the pedal is fully pressed (clutch safety switch) and another bracket on the brake pedal for the tail lights switch.

Here are a few pictures of the entire setup mocked up on the floor. I haven't had a chance to paint the assembly yet.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2846.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2848.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2850.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2855.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2854.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/buttslapper69/DSCF2872.jpg

I haven't bolted in the micro switches yet but when I do I'll be sure to take a picture of them too.

You may have also noticed that I added grease nipples to the brake and clutch pivot points. I figured I had it apart I might as well go the extra mile.

I almost forgot, If your going to use a camaro master cylinder there is a cheap and easy modification to fix a slight hesitation in the slave cylinder movement when the pedal is pressed or released. chevyhiperformance.com/howto/39021/index.html

I hope this helps some people trying to swap a Viper T56 into their car. Feel free to contact me if you need anymore information regarding the information I've provided.

cuisinartvette
Feb 24th, 08, 12:43 AM
Excellent swap. I dig the T.O. bearing.

I wish I coulda bought that bracket when I did mine...had to make one looks a little different. Took out 4 slave cyl's before I got it right and had to put a stop on the clutch pedal as they are real easy to over extend and blow seals on. :(


keep up the good work, like watching pics of you fabbing stuff up, wish I had that talent. Im better at paying for welding than I am doing it. LOL! :p

Pete 67
Feb 24th, 08, 3:19 AM
I was gonna ask why you needed it to mate to a Viper slave cylinder until I actually read your post & then read all 3 pages of your build thread.

All I can say is AWESOME! :hurray: What a great job you are doing! Hats off John!:beers:

Keep up the amazing work!

Pete

Bowtie70ss
Nov 27th, 09, 9:58 AM
A year later I know but what did you do for a seal around the clutch master at the firewall? I was wanting to do something like this but also I was thinking that I could make an adapter to bolt in where the original clutch rod boot goes.