ok fellas heres the skinny. everyone knows about the problems with the arlington cars in general. but in my possession i have three arlington chevelles one 70 and two 72s, all with no con vins on the firewalls. now just yesterday my friend an auto theft detective was inspecting a 70 chevelle and could not locate the con vin on the firewall and was puzzled. i just simply told him that if it is an arlington car to quit looking, dont waste your time cuz it just ain there. he did locate a few numbers below the blower hole but he wasn't sure. so i took him about 40 feet and show'd him my 70s arlington built car with no convin. so now he has to inform everyone at the dept. that arlington cars dont have con vins on the firewalls only on the motor tranny and frame. the other is called the PVIN which is short for public. so why does the states reassign them and put them in the door jam. aint very public if the door is closed and locked. anyway to help us at teamchevelle with this little problem. i would like for everyone on this web site with an arlington built car of 70 71 or 72 that knows for sure that your car has no con vin to please speak up and post now. i will copy all of the replys so he can see that it is not just a couple of cars, that the fellas at the arlington plant just did not put them on the firewall. HOW DID THAT PASS INSPECTION FROM THE LINE TO OUR DRIVEWAYS. thanks in advance:thumbsup:

I've never seen a CON VIN in a 70 Atlanta built chevelle at the heater box either.

They're probably there somewhere, just haven't been found yet or haven't been made public by the enthusiasts that have found them.

My '70 Arlington car doesn't have the CON-VIN.

i wish that was the case i have been in, on, under, over and beside my whole car and they aint there. i was told by an oklahoma state trooper back in 1990 that an arlington plant manager told him they aint there.:yes:

I had a '72 Chevelle SS and now have a '71 Chevelle SS, both built in Arlington, and neither had a con vin on the firewall.

i wish that was the case i have been in, on, under, over and beside my whole car and they aint there. i was told by an oklahoma state trooper back in 1990 that an arlington plant manager told him they aint there.:yes:

OK then, this post doesn't make any since to me. :confused:

You know they are not there yet you want everyone that has Arlington car to post that they are not there.

It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it.

lets say your car got stolen and you possitivly id it to the police and it was stripped with the public vin gone. and the police looked for the con vin to identify you stolen car. with no con vin you will not get the car back cuz you cant prove its yours. so the con vin was by federal law supposed to be on engines, trannys, frames, and bodys plus the addition of the p vin. the con vin was to identify all of these major compenents. so it is important to get everyones statements for future victims of thefts who have no body con vins so they dont loose there cars completely. maybe i am going about this all wrong but it just came upon me to try and help someone if possible. if i have confused or hurt anyone in this i do apoligize.:beers:

here is my thoughts again. if i put my own vin number on my car where it should of been from the factory will i be breaking any state or federal laws.

Good idea, when I had mine apart I stamped the VIN in a bunch of different places.
The Highway Patrol may not have the older books showing the hidden VIN locations any longer.

I guess you could stamp personal identifiers you want.

Good idea, when I had mine apart I stamped the VIN in a bunch of different places.
The Highway Patrol may not have the older books showing the hidden VIN locations any longer.

I guess you could stamp personal identifiers you want.

Trust me the NICB knows where those hidden vins are stamped. Mine is an Atlanta and had no hidden vins anywhere on the body. It was only on the frame.

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Originally Posted by Big White http://www.chevelles.com/forums/olp/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1419198#post1419198)
Just curious. After owning the car for 20 years, why did the state have to issue a new VIN?
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When I bought the car I was 15. I knew very little about Chevelles. This one was saved from the crusher and was a hodge podge of different parts. It had not been treated well. It did not have the original engine or transmission. I discovered the vin tag was missing when I disassembled my chevelle 2 yrs ago. I went through the proper law enforcement channels to try to verify the vin (through hidden vin locations) and we couldn't verify it. Evidently the guy at the factory whose job it was to stamp the hidden vin was on break. Therefore, the guy from the NICB told me to get a state issued vin. At one point in time, I know the vin plate was there, but I had recently had the windshield replaced and I think it may have disappeared at the glass shop.Quote:

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Originally Posted by Big White http://www.chevelles.com/forums/olp/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1419198#post1419198)
Just curious. After owning the car for 20 years, why did the state have to issue a new VIN?
quote from scott 70zz
When I bought the car I was 15. I knew very little about Chevelles. This one was saved from the crusher and was a hodge podge of different parts. It had not been treated well. It did not have the original engine or transmission. I discovered the vin tag was missing when I disassembled my chevelle 2 yrs ago. I went through the proper law enforcement channels to try to verify the vin (through hidden vin locations) and we couldn't verify it. Evidently the guy at the factory whose job it was to stamp the hidden vin was on break. Therefore, the guy from the NICB told me to get a state issued vin. At one point in time, I know the vin plate was there, but I had recently had the windshield replaced and I think it may have disappeared at the glass shop.Quote:
Will you advise me as to the point of this post BIGBLOCK? This a forum for sharing information, and I chose to share on a couple of occasions my experience, which was a several month process to retitle my car. If I am missing the point of your post, I apologize. My car was a rebuild, I at one time had a build sheet. I lost it. I know where the car was built at. The guy from the NICB was sent in by the DMV. Frames can be changed and he advised me that I needed to get a state issued vin.

Trust me the NICB knows where those hidden vins are stamped. Mine is an Atlanta and had no hidden vins anywhere on the body. It was only on the frame. i am not trying to pick a fight or debate. we are discussing the fact that alot of cars dont have federal mandated con vins on the bodys. when you posted this, that made me curious why you made that statement. (trust me the NCIB knows where those hidden vins are stamped. your atlanta car obviously had no con vin on the body, but only on the frame. why does it not have one on the body. that is the point. not on the body. obviously the NCIB knows that the con vins are missing and so does CHEVROLET. is it illegal to put a vin on a car if it is the original #. if your car gets stolen god forbid that happening. and the sorry beesterds take off your vin you cant prove that the body is yours so to speak. so what does the NCIB really know.

i am not trying to pick a fight or debate. we are discussing the fact that alot of cars dont have federal mandated con vins on the bodys. when you posted this, that made me curious why you made that statement. (trust me the NCIB knows where those hidden vins are stamped. your atlanta car obviously had no con vin on the body, but only on the frame. why does it not have one on the body. that is the point. not on the body. obviously the NCIB knows that the con vins are missing and so does CHEVROLET. is it illegal to put a vin on a car if it is the original #. if your car gets stolen god forbid that happening. and the sorry beesterds take off your vin you cant prove that the body is yours so to speak. so what does the NCIB really know.
As I said in my prior post, I apologize if I misunderstood the intent of the post. I watched the NICB guy at work, he did say it was common that the con vins were missing due to the fact that it was assembly line workers doing the stamping. He seemed to be well informed, but he looked in multiple places on the body, but it was the heater and fan areas that we spent the most time on. Again, I'm sure most people haven't had the hands on experience of working with an NICB agent that I have had.

ok here is another thing. SINCE CHEVROLET MAKES MILLIONS AND I THINK THAT IS AN UNDER STATEMENT. from the people that live drink and eat the bowtie, its like the american flag to me in a way. since this is such a big business so to speak of collecting and restoring and enjoying the muscle cars that we love. some if not all are valuable in many ways. how about sentimental. IF ALL THE CARS HAD THE CON VINS IN PLACE WITHOUT THE DETECTION OF FRAUD. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY ALLOW THE STATE TO PUT A UGLY HIDDEN VIN, A NUMBER NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL BACK ON A CAR THAT MADE THEM FAMOUS AND RICH. i guess it pee's me off to think that they have no problem taking our money, cant or wont restore a damaged, or stolen piece of metal that cant cost no more than a couple of bucks. so when the state applys the new ugly vin in a door jamb with a couple of rivets. it can easely be removed and the rivet holes welded up, and guess what back to the drawing board no con vin to back anything up....I AM WEARING MYSELF OUT.:confused:

I have an Arlington Built 70 LS6 Chevelle. No con VIN on the firewall. Only VIN is a double stamped one on the top of the frame behind the rear wheel on drivers side

thanks i am just trying to help us and or others.

Please explain--What is the con vin ? Where should it be and what is it? I have an Arlington 70 SS built first week of May.

Please explain--What is the con vin ? Where should it be and what is it? I have an Arlington 70 SS built first week of May.CON VIN is 'concealed' or 'confidential' (it's been described as either so take your pick) VIN. It's a stamping of the division (in later years), the model year, the assembly plant, and the last six digits of the VIN or the sequence number such as 11R123456.
1 - Chevrolet
1 - 1971 model year
R - plant code for Arlington, TX.
123456 - sequence number

Early SS396s didn't normally have the division (1 for Chevrolet) where many 69 and later Chevelles I've seen include the division.

As to where/why some plants stamped them I would assume was a plant policy. I have photos of firewalls of 1970 Baltimore and Los Angeles (Van Nuys) Chevelles with their partial VINs stamped on the firewall behind the heater box. I know engines, transmissions and frames were to be stamped but I don't know of any mandate to stamp major body parts until 1987 or so - http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01364.htm

Please explain--What is the con vin ? Where should it be and what is it? I have an Arlington 70 SS built first week of May.
CON VIN=concealed Vehicle Identification Number. It is a derivative of the whole legal VIN number on the dash. Your car is an Arlington TX car, so, apparently the only CON VIN you will have is on the frame, engine and transmission.

Lets say your VIN on the dash is 136370R123456. The concealed VIN derivative will be 10R123456. Breaks down as follows...
1=Chevrolet. (2=Pontiac, 3=Olds, 4=Buick)
0=model year, 1970
R=Arlington TX assembly plant.
123456= sequence matching your dash VIN.

I must type slower... :D

for some reason i remeber someone saying that there are vins stamped in the trunk gutter area on the 70's models luke.

I have a Atlanta built 70 Chevelle and their is no CON VIN number on the firewall anywere.
Only VIN numbers were on the frame, eng, and tranny.

John

1970 LS6 Chevelle
1955 1/2 ton Chevy

for some reason i remeber someone saying that there are vins stamped in the trunk gutter area on the 70's models luke.

Yes, a lot of people have said that but it's not true.
The numbers on the quarters are not the VIN.

I've heard the story about the numbers on the trunk gutters for 66 & 67 Chevelles but, alas, not true. Those (66/67) alpha/numeric sequences may begin with 136xxxx or 138xxxx but remember, partial/hidden/concealed/confidential/etal VINs NEVER have the Series, or Model numbers (e.g., 136xx/138xx) - only model year, plant, sequence and sometimes the GM division designation.

I have a Arlington built 70 SS and on the fire wall below the windshield under the hood on the drivers side. I can see some of my vin numbers stamped in the metal? Would that be a con vin?

I have a Arlington built 70 SS and on the fire wall below the windshield under the hood on the drivers side. I can see some of my vin numbers stamped in the metal? Would that be a con vin?

Let's see a picture of that! Please.

Let's see a picture of that! Please.

Yes I can take pictures tomorrow morning before I leave to work,But If I email you the pictures could you post them for me? I've never posted pictures before so maybe you could please help me out.

UPDATE: After Further investigation the numbers that are stamped above my cowl tag ARE NOT MY VIN NUMBER. sorry my mistake. But I still would like for you to look at the pictures I took you can see there are some numbers stamped above the cowl tag.

Chris

I bet that some of his VIN numbers are 13637....

My 70 Arlington car didn't have a con vin on the firewall or the frame and believe me I looked. Both were blasted to bare metal.

Look at the top of the cowl tag. There are numbers stamped in the metal I just can't make out what they are.

http://s497.photobucket.com/albums/rr340/svtstang34/?action=view&current=Picture167.jpg

I can't make it out on my monitor but it doesn't really look "factory" to me.

I can't make it out on my monitor but it doesn't really look "factory" to me.

What do you mean by That? That firewall hasn't been touched. This car has been in the family from day one and My cousin who purchased it brand new wouldn't know anything about trying to fudge numbers ,Heck he didn't know what a used 70 chevelle SS was worth ( NO COMPUTER ACCESS) and and I felt bad that he even wanted to sell it. The car left Arlington TX went to Carlsbad NM and now I have it in Albuquerque NM the car has the protect-o-plate everything matches. But when I get back to the shop I'll get a better look.

Thanks Chris

I see something, perhaps press stretch marks, but I don't think they are numbers or letters.

Dan

Dan,

Your probably correct it might not be nothing but some scratches but I'll check it out and let everyone know,But the first time I saw them it sure did look like numbers to me.


Chris

Looks like scratches to me too.

What do you mean by That?

I mean just what I said "it doesn't look like any factory stampings TO ME." that's all.
I cropped it and blew it up.