: Any comments on this combo?
19_Chevelle_69 Jan 2nd, 04, 12:36 AM -- 1970 4 bolt 350 block .030 over
-- 3973370 64cc heads 1.94/1.50 (all ports and casting flashes smoothed out by me)
-- Speed pro .100 dome hyper pistons (P/N H618P)
-- Felpro .041 head gaskets
-- New Eagle cast crankshaft (good for 500hp they say)
-- Quadrajet (well tuned)
-- Performer intake
-- 1 5/8" Flowtech full length headers, 2.25 pipes through Summit turbo mufflers. No H-pipe.
-- GM factory grind 350/350hp cam
-- HEI ignition (Pertronix flame thrower coil)
-- Elec fan. Serpentine belt P/S, W/P and alt.
-- Tranny is a TH350/2000 stall, 3.08 rear gears
There may also be plans for a 100-150 NO2 shot in the future.
I guess what I'm asking is if there a better cam for this 90% street driven Chevelle? I'm changing the lifters, so I might as well change the cam while I'm in there.
TIA for any comments you have to offer.
Pat Kelley Jan 2nd, 04, 2:47 AM Your CR is approximatly 10.34 with a .066" quench. If you get the quench down to .040" the CR goes to 11.1. I suggest you use a flat top piston unless the domes are already installed. With a flat top the CR is 10.27 with a .040" quench. A .035-.045" quench is very advantageous. There are a lot of cam that will work well with pump gas and 10.2-10.3 CR. An 11.1 CR will require a pretty big cam for pump gas. If you have and want to use the dome pistons, you'll either have to run a very wide quench or run a big cam (which will not like your gears and need a high stall canverter). I don't know the 350/350 cam specs. I know a lot of performance builders are not fond of it.
Georgia69 Jan 2nd, 04, 9:19 AM I like everything except your cam choice. The old factory cams are hopelessly outdated compared to modern aftermarket grinds.
19_Chevelle_69 Jan 2nd, 04, 11:38 AM Thanks for the replies...I don't like that cam either. It just doesn't work as well as the newer ones. I already have everything in the list, except new valves, and the rings.
I'm looking for a cam that will keep the duration low for lower rpm power range, but still be workable with the CR. (Running on 92 octane would be nice also.)
I have no objections to going with 1.6 rocker ratio (I can trade in the new Crane 1.5's with no issues), what I'm thinking here is that I need more lift to make this combo to work properly. :confused:
If this is a way around it, that'd be a nice easy fix.
Cams are a little tricky, I'd like to hear advice from people who have more experience than myself when it comes to cam "Magic"
Am I way off track here? :confused:
Pat Kelley Jan 2nd, 04, 11:44 AM Don, take a look at the DCR page linked in my sig. Some useful information on matching cam to compression. It usually takes an increase in duration to bleed off a high CR. Can you return the pistons for flat tops?
Georgia69 Jan 2nd, 04, 1:12 PM Don't know what it would cost, but a competent machinist could mill the domes off of your pistons. My uncle had that done on a factory LT1 shortblock years ago because the class rules he was racing under required flattop pistons. It worked fine.
19_Chevelle_69 Jan 2nd, 04, 5:19 PM Thanks for all the help guys!
I've taken a new direction with this one.
I'm sending the domes back in for flat-tops. Just too much trouble making this work properly.
This way I can work with a cam that will work with the CR.
Take the combo above, change the pistons to flats.
-- Daily driver in the summer
-- Weekend strip runs.
-- Rpm range target starting at about 2000, never reved over 6000.
Any thoughts on the best make and PN cam for me?
thrasher Jan 3rd, 04, 5:40 AM With your combination of parts;
2000 Stall,308 gear,Performer intake,and 10.2 compression I would go with something like
Crane Energizer 272H10
216 272 454 110
The cam and lifter kit is PT#100052
$99 From Summit http://store.summitracing.com/
With a 10.2 compression you could go a bit longer with the .050 duration,something like 222-225.
However I can't help but think that with the weight of the Chevelle combined with the 3.08 gear you will be happier with the milder 216 .050 duration.
19_Chevelle_69 Jan 3rd, 04, 9:42 AM Thanks for the replies, I'm sending the domes back for flats on Monday.
You guys really helped me out. graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Chevyhouse Jan 3rd, 04, 8:25 PM I have your same motor in my Nova. I have a comp cams xtreme energy 268 and I love it. I'm running mid 13's on street tires and 3.42 gears and the same stall. Engine pulls good from 2500-5800rpm. I think it's your gears that are killing you. If you still want good street gears and average strip gears, 3.42's are the way to go. I'm at about 2800rpm @ 75 with 26.5in tires. You chevelle guys can run taller tires than a Nova. I'd go with the 3.42 gears and 275/60/15 tires. You'll still get decent gas milage and with the 268, and enough torque to get you moving at the track.
19_Chevelle_69 Jan 3rd, 04, 11:27 PM I have your same motor in my Nova. I have a comp cams xtreme energy 268 and I love it. Funny you should post that...before I checked in here, I had just finished running some numbers and used the 268H cam for a comparison. (I was looking for a 216*/218* cam like thrasher posted)
It seems like it would work well with the setup I have.
EDIT: I just realized you said Xtreme Energy 268. I was using the High Energy 268. There is quite a difference in the cams.
I'll have to run the numbers again to see what I come up with.
Thanks a lot for the "real world" info on how that cam is working for you. graemlins/thumbsup.gif
thrasher Jan 4th, 04, 8:00 PM I only suggested the 272 because it will bleed off just a touch of cylinder pressure compared to the 268.
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