Just saw and add in the new Super Chevy for the new Brodix "Race Rite" oval port Bog block Chevy heads. If you believe the add this head has the potential to be a great head

.200 160 / 112.7
.300 224.3 / 146.5
.400 280 / 178.7
.500 320.7 / 202.8
.600 339.6 / 222.2
.650 342.3 / 230.5

Not only are those soem greta flow numbers they are accomplished with a 271 cc intake port and STOCK LOCATION EXHAUST PORTS !!!!

"soem greta flow numbers?" its incredible you learned how to type in an italian accent

Interesting , espcially with stock height exhaust ports ....anybody know what size chambers they come with ?

Nickel: I hate when I miss spell stuff in a post. I tried to go back in a fix it but for some reason the web site would not let me back in tongue.gif

Rat,

I think Nickel is giving you a compliment....

I take alla them I can get.. He, He!!!!

pdq67

http://brodix.com/NewProducts/rr_bb_o.html

What's the chamber volume on these bad boys? Did I miss it somewhere?

EDIT: I probably didn't miss the cc info, but I did miss the same question in CDN SS' post! graemlins/clonk.gif

"Virgim" A-356 Aluminum = what's that? graemlins/clonk.gif

Originally posted by 72Stingray:
What's the chamber volume on these bad boys? Did I miss it somewhere?

EDIT: I probably didn't miss the cc info, but I did miss the same question in CDN SS' post! graemlins/clonk.gif You can order them with either 115 or 119cc's
They can be ordered bare or complete
email me with how many sets you would like :D

Mike .... Thanks for that CC info ......hmmmmmm 115 chambers, my 427 .060 motor being set up for 10.2 cr with 115cc big valve 781's right now , may just come back to you for price on bare set ... just trying to decide how much more power do I really need smile.gif anyone want to offer opinion where I will see an increase in power with these heads over 781's with UD solid roller 250/260 @.050 630 lift 110cl

Thanks Bill

Well Bill one thing is that the 'Virgim" alloy will be safer from detonation.

Man, 115cc are exactly what I need......

You can order them with either 115 or 119cc'sWonder why such a small difference(4cc)? 119 and 105 would be a better choice.

Gene , yes good point, especially since chances of getting good pump gas keeps going down.
I did not go with all the other aftermarket heads with raised exhaust ports because of the hassle with header clearance .but these sure do look interesting ..... but do I really need them? or do I just want them smile.gif so trying to put a value on the extra investment

Virgim , gotta have those :D maybe we can get a volume discount if we both buy a set, you know from the profit were making on the market these days graemlins/clonk.gif

these heads can be ordered with as small as 104 cc chambers :D

$2000 a pair assembled +$240 for angle machining the decks

does anybody know how honest brodix flow numbers are????

ahh even if they flow 320,thats still a nice piece!!!!!!

My 781's flow an honest ton, roughly 312 at .650, but it cost way to much to do that, unless you can port yourself. My 427, 60 over cranked out 634 hp at 7100, and 530 torque at 5400 rpm, with bent pushrods, and some of you have heard that story.

ej, thats my concern spending too much on 781's ..so far just big valves installed and cleaned up with a bit of bowl blending etc ... no problem to get out with my investment right now and if I get the weight saving and some perf increase it might be good value in the long run so looking at it seriously.

Brodix are historically conservitive on their flow #'s I know of a few guys that had their heads flowed after they ran them for a while and the Brodix heads flowed more than advertised after a few hundred miles

I called about those heads today,I want them but,but 1900.00 assy.I cant put that much in them I need a set of good aluminum heads,but 1900.00,lord.I cant afford that for heads. :(

what are the bare set worth ...?

Originally posted by CDN SS:
what are the bare set worth ...? Flowed a few Brodix's & they are not inflated numbers.
Very close on my bench but a bit conservative compared to some of the benches out there. Kinda like dyno numbers :D
Just did a set of 200cc Race Rites w/ the cnc chamber & they were within a few cfm of the sheet they sent me on the same heads.
Also a set of the Track 1 227cc's with the M2 porting, same deal. They advertise 302@ .500 & 314@ .700 & I got 297 & 311.
The numbers will vary on different benches just like everyone elses but when you see someone post numbers that are way out there a little common sense should prevail. :D
My opinion but I feel AFR & Brodix to name a couple post very honest numbers.

CDN
The bare heads are about $1700 from Brodix for the 119cc's. I believe they charge for milling the bare ones to 115 but not sure.
email me if you are interested & I will see what I can do. smile.gif

$1900 for the set, complete? That doesn't sound to bad to me. I don't see many bb heads cheaper then that, exept the Edl's and GMPP. And these look better.

has anybody found any new info on these heads???

i remember reading an article were lingenfelter ued the first brodix ovals "oefi" or something

a 93 octane 502 produced 620 hp with out of the box versions of these heads,and the ports were smaller than the new ones.

those stock location exhaust ports are something iv'e been praying for since the day i had to "adjust" my headers to fit,back in '97.

Just rec'd my set of the new Brodix Ovals ... went for the fully assembled as they come port matched and also added the optional 115cc CNC chambers ...impressed with quality of casting, and parts used also how clean the casting is look very nice compared to the BBC "E" heads a friend just got .......and of course the exhaust ports in stock location graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Bought them from fellow TC'r Mike Lewis aka "Wolplace" excellent price and service ....Thanks Mike

Thanks for the kind words Bill, glad we could help graemlins/beers.gif

Your lifters left today, you have mail ;)

These seem like a really good thing!!!

I would love to hear some numbers on these heads. I recently worked a set of 781 heads over with the intent of flipping the hardware to a set of alluminum heads. I Like the oval ports for the STREET/strip application. I was looking at the AFR 290's and love the look of their flow #'s. What will the elevated exhaust ports on the AFR's do to me with regards to install (Hooker Comp's). Obviously the Brodix heads are an easy install!

Great info, thanx!

Mark

Originally posted by 69SS_454:
These seem like a really good thing!!!

I would love to hear some numbers on these heads. I recently worked a set of 781 heads over with the intent of flipping the hardware to a set of alluminum heads. I Like the oval ports for the STREET/strip application. I was looking at the AFR 290's and love the look of their flow #'s. What will the elevated exhaust ports on the AFR's do to me with regards to install (Hooker Comp's). Obviously the Brodix heads are an easy install!

Great info, thanx!

Mark Mark,
Here ya go smile.gif
http://brodix.com/race_rite.site/rr_bb_o.html
email me if you are interested. I can probably save you a dollar or two ;)

Those heads look nice...I bet a need a set. smile.gif

General question: What difference in static compression will there be going from 118cc chambers to 115cc?

Oh, and if you bought these heads with a 115cc chamber, does that effect anything else such as lining up the intake or valve train geometry?

Tim.

Tim ... I went with the 115cc chamber cause I had been intending to use my 781's and they typically are 115cc chambers.... with my 427 .060 and my SRP 26cc dome pistons they give me 10.4:1 static the 119cc chambers if I remeber were closer to 10:1 run Pat kelly s calculator to check your combo out to see what you need I like to use the smallest chamber/ piston dome possible

... valve train geometry IMO anytime you change heads in a BBC you need to check the pushrod lenght so whether 115 or 119 you still need to check otherwise I don't expect an issue

Hmmmm, I see AFR shows the flow numbers of the 265cc ovals, but not the 290cc ovals. :( Would love to see a ZZ502 dyno test with a AFR 290 head replacement, then another run with a cam swap.

Originally posted by TronDD:
Those heads look nice...I bet a need a set. smile.gif

General question: What difference in static compression will there be going from 118cc chambers to 115cc?

Oh, and if you bought these heads with a 115cc chamber, does that effect anything else such as lining up the intake or valve train geometry?

Tim. Bill is right on. On a 454 it would be about .3
for a 3cc difference. If you were at 10.0 now you would be at 10.3 with 115cc's
You only need to cut .015" for 3 cc's on these heads. (.005/cc)
And I totally agree that you should always redo geometry when you change heads, especially on a Rat ;)

SS454,
Last I heard the AFR's were not available yet as they have been working on the new LS1 head.

I feel the AFR would be capable of more HP but it does have a raised exhaust port which can be a problem in some cases.
We did a 496 for a 1 ton dulley a few years ago with the World ovals which have a raised exhaust port & he had a hell of a problem with stock ex manifolds eating sparkplug wires. Finally had to put some 3/8" thick plates between the manifolds & the heads to get enough clearence.

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
SS454,
Last I heard the AFR's were not available yet as they have been working on the new LS1 head.
AFR's website has the Big block ovals in 265cc as-cast, and 290cc CNC port versions. No flow figures for the 290s. And also has the LS1 heads, 205cc, and 225cc versions. No flow figures for the 225cc, but the 205s flow 50 cfm better on the intake and exhaust over the stock heads. So a nice improvement there, considering its the same port volume.

Yea, last time I talked with Tony he was real proud of the new LSI, it is going to be a killer.
He really does know his heads, the square ports are also his design graemlins/thumbsup.gif
I will ask him about the ovals but I believe it is going to be after the first of the year before they will be available. That was as of about 2 weeks ago but things do change ;)
I realize they are on the site but so were the 315's a couple of years ago & those were about 8-10 months behind advertisied release but I believe a lot of that was some casting issues & AFR will not release stuff until they feel it is right.
The down side is sometimes it takes a while but the upside is you ain't the test dummy :D

We are a dealer for both AFR & Brodix so if I can help just send me an email.

Well I thought about it and I am going to go with some aluminum heads I am leaning toward these race rites,at first I thought I aint putting that much in heads,but I've got to looking and you cant get a set of aluminum heads under 1900.00.And really by the time you buy a set of cast heads and do all the machine work and bigger valves,etc.you will be close to that price anyway.I'm glad someone posted about this it might have saved me a few horses. :D

www.gofaststuff.com (http://www.gofaststuff.com)

I paid $200 for a set of 781 bare heads, $160 for new larger valves, the shop is charging me $500 to do the machining and assembly. Add the locks, springs etc. I will have "big valve" "781"'s for my 454 for approx. $1100 ;) I'm happy with that.

I have about that in my new cast-iron Merlin ovals.

pdq67

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
Yea, last time I talked with Tony he was real proud of the new LSI, it is going to be a killer.
He really does know his heads, the square ports are also his design graemlins/thumbsup.gif
I will ask him about the ovals but I believe it is going to be after the first of the year before they will be available. That was as of about 2 weeks ago but things do change ;)
I realize they are on the site but so were the 315's a couple of years ago & those were about 8-10 months behind advertisied release but I believe a lot of that was some casting issues & AFR will not release stuff until they feel it is right.
The down side is sometimes it takes a while but the upside is you ain't the test dummy :D

We are a dealer for both AFR & Brodix so if I can help just send me an email. Hi All, smile.gif
I talked with Tony at AFR today & the new ovals will probably not be available for at least 6 months.
Lots of other stuff going on at AFR like the new LS1 head
The 325cc as cast flows in the 380 range. The 345cc as cast is over 400!!
The updated flow numbers are now on the AFR website.
http://www.airflowresearch.com/

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
The 325cc as cast flows in the 380 range. The 345cc as cast is over 400!!
The updated flow numbers are now on the AFR website.
http://www.airflowresearch.com/ Is this a result of changes to the head, or just a different way they flowed them? Also, I noticed their as-cast low lift flow numbers are quite a bit lower than before. Just their high lifts are a bit higher.

What are the options for cc sizes for the Brodix oval port heads in question?

Brodix BB-O chambers can be 119 or 115

Originally posted by -SS454-:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wolfplace:
The 325cc as cast flows in the 380 range. The 345cc as cast is over 400!!
The updated flow numbers are now on the AFR website.
http://www.airflowresearch.com/ Is this a result of changes to the head, or just a different way they flowed them? Also, I noticed their as-cast low lift flow numbers are quite a bit lower than before. Just their high lifts are a bit higher. </font>[/QUOTE]These are the numbers of the finished product after the cnc work. I believe the original numbers were from either prototype heads or possibly with the CNC chamber option which makes a big difference on the low/mid lift numbers. They will be closer to the full CNC 335 with the chamber option. It is $295 extra as I recall.
Tony flows all his heads with a large bore adapter, ( I think 4.530 ) & a pipe on the exhaust.

On the Brodix RR, as Bill said the chambers are either 115 or 119 & they come with a 270cc intake port.

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
Tony flows all his heads with a large bore adapter, ( I think 4.530 ) & a pipe on the exhaust.
From what I read before, they used a 4.500" adapter. They may be going to a 4.53 now, im not sure. Even with a 4.25" adapter, the heads flow far better than their competitors. Maybe the reason why they are the big $$$

Originally posted by -SS454-:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wolfplace:
Tony flows all his heads with a large bore adapter, ( I think 4.530 ) & a pipe on the exhaust.
From what I read before, they used a 4.500" adapter. They may be going to a 4.53 now, im not sure. Even with a 4.25" adapter, the heads flow far better than their competitors. Maybe the reason why they are the big $$$ </font>[/QUOTE]Could be, I won't quibble over 30 thou :D
I have flowed the 315 with both a 4.530 &4.310 & there is a big difference. I posted them here a while back if you want to look at them they are.
Here (http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=015077;p=2)
Same bench same day
But as you said, they do move some air ;)
Nice heads, how many set would you like? :D

Bringing back this old post on the Race Rites.

Anyone put them on an engine yet? What were the results?

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
I have flowed the 315 with both a 4.530 &4.310 & there is a big difference. I posted them here a while back if you want to look at them they are.
Here (http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=015077;p=2)
Same bench same day
But as you said, they do move some air ;)
Nice heads, how many set would you like? :D The link doesn't work and I am very interested in those numbers.

Thanks Mike.

Originally posted by bluerebl:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wolfplace:
I have flowed the 315 with both a 4.530 &4.310 & there is a big difference. I posted them here a while back if you want to look at them they are.
Here (http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=015077;p=2)
Same bench same day
But as you said, they do move some air ;)
Nice heads, how many set would you like? :D The link doesn't work and I am very interested in those numbers.

Thanks Mike. </font>[/QUOTE]==
Cable,
The post seems to be removed. Must be to old or archived.
You can ask Bob Tiley or check with one of the other moderators to see if it has been deleted ot not.
I will try to find the numbers & post them again.
That post had quite a bit if info & I should have kept a copy including all the dyno specs & flow numbers on the 496 a lot of guys keep asking about :(

this head made over 700 hp on my 555 chevy

I have not read the whole deal here but want to say that I wish they would make a true 290 cc large oval port head w/ a 90 cc chamber that take's stock valvetrain components that will ratio up flow-wise!!

For a decent selling price!!

And I have been touting this to W/P's for quite a time too!!

pdq67

Bringing back this old post on the Race Rites.

Anyone put them on an engine yet? What were the results? Bob West has them on his 505". Little faster than the oval ports, but not bunches.

My 781's had been tweaked a little bit, and had 2.25/1.88's in them. I would credit a couple tenths to the racerite ovals. They are nice heads though.

My 781's had been tweaked a little bit, and had 2.25/1.88's in them. I would credit a couple tenths to the racerite ovals. They are nice heads though. And 70 lbs. lighter.

Yep, that was part of it. I credit the heads to 2 tenths, converter to 3 tenths, and knuckle busting to where its at now :D

You guys do realize this is almost a 4 year-old thread, right? Still applicable, but thought I'd throw that out there....

You guys do realize this is almost a 4 year-old thread, right? Still applicable, but thought I'd throw that out there....
=
:D :D :D :beers:

How time flys... :beers:

I will soon have my 496 up and running and it will be sporting the Race Rite Ovals with CNC chambers (115cc) and minor clean up work performed by myself.

Mike (Wolfplace) supplied the heads. Thanks :thumbsup:

I can hardly wait! :hurray:

with the oval port race rite my 555 chevy did 725 hp @ 6700 rpm if u want to know the engine combo give me buzz.....

my oval race rites made 725 on the dyno and pump gas if u want to know the combo give me a buzz

I bought one of the first sets made 4 years ago with a ls6 short block that saw yearly changes. Icredible street manners making good power (500 rwhp)
Sold the motor (for a great return considering the abuse) with the race-rite ovals being a key selling feature.
These heads work great in heavy chevelles...(smaller runners = torque).... street manners and low 11 second et's.
I hope I did not make a mistake selling them.

you could always buy some more.....

you could always buy some more.....

That's true Tom. :yes:
I will not know for sure until I fire up my new engine next week....solid rollered 540 with AFR 335's. Hope it will be at least semi-streetable. :confused:

i picked up a 69 chevelle with the 119cc's and it had a knock so i pulled it to find the culprit it was piston to valve clearence "every piston" a spun rod bearing and a broken piston skirt not sure if it was the clearence issue that caused all the damage but id thought id let some of you guys know what could poss happen

Did they have the pistons installed backwards? big dome? I and several others are running these heads with ZERO issues ;)

Wow, old post dug up

i picked up a 69 chevelle with the 119cc's and it had a knock so i pulled it to find the culprit it was piston to valve clearence "every piston" a spun rod bearing and a broken piston skirt not sure if it was the clearence issue that caused all the damage but id thought id let some of you guys know what could poss happen

The "culprit" was not the heads it was the dumb a$$ that put the thing together unless something else happened like the timing chain broke,,,,

If some friggin idiot puts an engine together wrong or without checking p/v clearance what the hell does this have to do with the head used :mad: