: silver bullit....
cuisinartvette Jan 23rd, 08, 10:21 AM I understand there is a little buzz going on about the car. I bought the car from J.Addison in 1974 and owned it until 1985. I repainted it white in the attempt to draw in some 'flys'.
Most of the info posted is accurate, car was little less than 3200, (glass doors, trunk lid, fenders , bumpers, van seats, light glass etc. everything gutted, heater, doors, etc.etc.) No big tricks, worn out front shocks, pinion snubber, SS spring, 50/50 shock. Rear end was a cheimically milled (center section) 8 3/4 w/4.56 for the street and 4.88 for the track. Trans. was a 727 full manual auto w/B&M 069J (5k stahl)converter. Best et. w/Addison was 10.02, car would run a 40-50 off the trailer, my best was a 10.18. Here are some pics. sorry for the poor quality....M.Stevens
PS. does anyone know how to contact Al Kirshenbaum?
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dyno jonn Jan 23rd, 08, 10:35 AM You mean this guy??
http://www.bentleypublishers.com/author.htm?authorId=21
Jimmy P Jan 23rd, 08, 11:11 AM YOU, M. Stevens, used to own THE Silver Bullet? From Detroit?
This car:
http://images.hotrod.com/thehistoryof/113_0304_05z+1967_plymouth_gtx+front_side_view.jpg
What do you mean by, 'A little buzz" ?
History of the car: http://www.greenval.info/magstories/silverbullet/index.htm
No M. Stevens mentioned in the article?
TDW Jan 23rd, 08, 11:51 AM Hey...I have an autographed picture of that car in my office. I had quite a few conversations with Jimmy about the old days.
cuisinartvette Jan 23rd, 08, 12:19 PM YOU, M. Stevens, used to own THE Silver Bullet? From Detroit?
I am M. Stevens from Detroit and am posting under elky's posted user name. The pictures I posted are how the car looked before I sold it in the 80's, and as I purchased it aside from changing the color from silver to white.
I picked up the car in 74 from Darious Ball who had the car in his possesion. The title until then was in J. Addison's name, and was signed off by J.Addison, until I had it transfered ito my name at the DMV. Others who would be familiar with my era of ownership would be L. Mancini and R. Mancini, T. Tigganelli, J.Tedder, G. Kozak, M. Dawson and some other local guys.
The link talks about Andy Angelucci (the fireman). Haven't seen him in awhile I have known for a number of years. I did not sell the car to Kraft but to a guy that worked at the direct connection warehouse in Warren Mi., however that did not happen until the 80's. I can't remember his name, I think it was Larry Henry. I sold the car less motor and trans. which I kept as spares for my race car.
He in turn took it over to Gene Kozak who had done the frame for my 70 purple duster (big inch hemi, 12 point, narrowed dana car, originally intended for the street). The guy I sold the car to brought the car over to Gene to have the original quarters/replaced and opened instead of being "bellied out" (as originally done by Tommy Tigganelli's dad), removed, tubbed and 2x3 square tube to tie the chassis rails.
Some months after the work was done, and he did not get it up and flying and he called me trying to sell the car back to me. Where the car went after that, and up to the current owner I do not know.
The above mention of my 70 duster is the reason I posted regarding AL kirshenbaum, as he took several rolls of film of the car for Car Craft Mag. I only have one of the articles remaining and would like to see if he has access to the original shots.
No M. Stevens mentioned in the article?
I just read that link as well and see no mention of my ownership....I'm sure the DMV would have a more accurate record as I did have the title in put in my name.
Beaux Jan 23rd, 08, 12:21 PM Wow. Thats pretty damn cool right there. :thumbsup::beers:
Jimmy P Jan 23rd, 08, 12:54 PM Wow. Thats pretty damn cool right there. :thumbsup::beers:
Yes Sir!
Thanks for the old pics and added history of the car! That car has to be the cornerstone of street racing made famous. I'd be willing to say that the Silver Bullet is the most highly valued modified street Muscle car of all time. Too bad the Moderator would erase any kill stories. I'd LOVE to hear them!
cuisinartvette Jan 23rd, 08, 1:08 PM Yes Sir!
Thanks for the old pics and added history of the car! That car has to be the cornerstone of street racing made famous. I'd be willing to say that the Silver Bullet is the most highly valued modified street Muscle car of all time. Too bad the Moderator would erase any kill stories. I'd LOVE to hear them!
you're welcome,
the runs against little kim stories are by far the most famous around here.
Yes I have a few, did a lot of back peddling, brake light delete type runs.
There was a guy named Riggurello who owned a 74 silver mustang built by rousch (supposed 500 incher). I went out one night to get him to run ("high end club" nugget restaurant located at 696 and orchard lake road "the place to be" thurs. nights after mid night). Now that car had the best chance, but it never materialized as he wasn't sure if his car could do the job.
Harold Sutton Jan 23rd, 08, 1:40 PM It would be really great to get the full history pieced together for a "Total history of the Silver Bullet" as it appears that a little of it remains hidden to this day. Mister Addison's attention to detail was apparently as great as his connection to Chrysler engineering's back door. At any rate all these tales are interesting to all of us that like old Hotrods.
quikss Jan 23rd, 08, 1:55 PM Wow, I wish Al or the mods would make an exception just once in this thread to let Mr. Stevens tell some stories of his car. That car is a piece of history all would love to hear.
How about it Al, mods, will you let it go just this once? Please?
Jeff
cuisinartvette Jan 23rd, 08, 2:00 PM It would be really great to get the full history pieced together for a "Total history of the Silver Bullet" as it appears that a little of it remains hidden to this day. Mister Addison's attention to detail was apparently as great as his connection to Chrysler engineering's back door. At any rate all these tales are interesting to all of us that like old Hotrods.
True, however his connection to mopar was mostly T. Spehar, M.Fons, who worked at the 13 and Coolidge unmarked missile location.
The original M.Missile guys also had given me quite a bit of free help , including D. Killan who designed the electronic and c. triggered ign. system coming over to my house to do my wiring at no charge, because he thought my duster was a great project. This included Kenyon doing the heads, and Bowman doing the carburation (all the same who helped Jim and were responsible for the Missile).
The wheels (fenton), intake (weind), to only name a couple that you see in my pictures are perfect examples of free help, strange we saw the same parts on the missile.
The missile location is really were the 'BIG GUYS' were at, and being gear heads who simply loved these kind of cars.
I don't think Addison considered at that point in time, that the car would ever become such an icon to muscle cars.
Jimmy P Jan 23rd, 08, 2:32 PM Wow, I wish Al or the mods would make an exception just once in this thread to let Mr. Stevens tell some stories of his car. That car is a piece of history all would love to hear.
How about it Al, mods, will you let it go just this once? Please?
Jeff
How about CE where everything else gets sent? How about it Jeff? This is HISTORY!
Ricks70ss Jan 23rd, 08, 3:08 PM I remeber seeing that car back in the day on Woodward. Damn that car got a lot of press back then
Beaux Jan 23rd, 08, 3:53 PM I dont see ANY problems with PAST racing stories - its where it all began and its, as stated, history. Its not promoting illegal activity or street racing as its known today. Your talking about gearhead history and events, stuff that would be covered in depth in any of the car rags out there or at least should be.
CE - PLEASE dont, I dont want to have to see the poltical rants and other topics to view this and we would also have people needing to join the CE group to see it. Bench racing is more appropriate.
sg5492 Jan 23rd, 08, 5:08 PM Wow. Thats pretty damn cool right there. :thumbsup::beers:
Yes it is!! THANKS!!! :thumbsup: I love to reading about the old drag cars.
Jimmy P Jan 23rd, 08, 7:10 PM I dont see ANY problems with PAST racing stories - its where it all began and its, as stated, history. Its not promoting illegal activity or street racing as its known today. Your talking about gearhead history and events, stuff that would be covered in depth in any of the car rags out there or at least should be.
CE - PLEASE dont, I dont want to have to see the poltical rants and other topics to view this and we would also have people needing to join the CE group to see it. Bench racing is more appropriate.
I don't see any problems either....HOWEVER when I posted a story about a 69 Chevelle I saw racing 37 years ago, when I was riding my bicycle and was 10 YEARS OLD, it was deleted. Mods are a bit extreme on here.
cuisinartvette Jan 23rd, 08, 7:18 PM I can appreciatte how a mod might respond, and in effort to keeping it clean I have steered away from the topic. (unless something changes)
here is one I think is safe to talk about:
I can say stopping that car was a nightmare. It was equipped w/stock 10" drum brakes front and rear in the effort of weight reduction !!
I used to shoot past the first return road at the track doing approx. 90mph. w/both feet on the pedal and pulling on wheel w/both hands for more leverage. I would pull the 2nd return road at around 35, always thinking I would peel a front tire off the car.
BTW, Thanks to all for the responses, it is pretty cool to see others who have an interest and share in cool cars and the times. I have been away from racing for a number of years now, and really had no idea that the history of the car had become so important.
67T56Elky, I appreciatte you letting me post here.....Thanks Ron
Dean Jan 23rd, 08, 7:34 PM I know nothing
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Jimmy P Jan 23rd, 08, 8:12 PM BTW, Thanks to all for the responses, it is pretty cool to see others who have an interest and share in cool cars and the times. I have been away from racing for a number of years now, and really had no idea that the history of the car had become so important.
Mr. Stevens, Please type until your fingers hurt! We LOVE this stuff!
Dean - You KILL me! My side is hurtin!:D :D :D
IMO we can discuss this car without bringing up the actual street racing as this topic seems to be doing. Problems with making exceptions is the whole what about me threads, it's not fair threads, etc etc. Besides it's a MOPAR :wacko: :D JUST KIDDING!
One other thing. Using another person's login to pass out info seems a little weird (and improper forum etiquette IMO). It can make posts hard to follow when we don't exactly know who is posting what. IMO it would have been much cooler to create your own login as they are easy to do and free. I do appreciate the shared info like any gearhead though and welcome to Team Chevelle Mr Stevens. I always liked those boxy MOPARs, A supervisor I wok with has one he drives everyday. Unfortunately it needs quarters and I got a feeling he isn't real keen on spending the money to fix yet....
Thanks for sharing the info :cool:
Chris R Jan 23rd, 08, 11:52 PM Pretty freakin cool thread though.:thumbsup:
Jimmy told me the car was NEVER beaten in a street race. There were local guys here in Flint that had some good connections at the engine plant on Van Slyke. They would meet at Thurmon Stanleys Sunoco station at the corner of Richfield and Center roads and talk about the Bullit. Lots of hi-po stuff was in this area back them. Guys that worked at the plants could actually go and see the engineering guys and get the latest, greatest the General had to offer.
DUKE 69 Jan 24th, 08, 11:44 AM All right, you guys, now I HAVE to out in the garage and look thru some of my old car mags and see if I can dig up some more info on this car. I remember an article about it but not sure whether in CC or HR. Also remember a story about that Roush car and how "bad" it was supposed to be. I really enjoy some of these stories from the "good old days"...never be the same and prob. just as well! I guess I'm luckey just to have been old enough to appreciate it then and again now. Let's see, how does that song go..."...thanks for the memories..."
mseven Jan 24th, 08, 1:44 PM As suggested by JWA (mod), I have created a user name (mseven) here to avoid any further confusion as posted earlier, regarding who is providing the information.....my appologies
Thanks for the welcome here on Team Chevelle. My name is M. Stevens, and I originally posted under 67T56Elky because my friend had mentioned that there was some interest in the car I had once owned and asked me if I would share some info/experiences.
While I don't own a chevelle, there were/are a couple of guys I knew from around here that were on the scene at the time who had some serious pieces that did deserve respect.
Steve Mayer, 505ci. (can-am motor) 69, and D. Carlisle w/ Moms Headache legitimate low 10. 67 chevelle and consistent bracket 1 winner.
To the above, the bullet had at least 2 write ups, the first being in Super Stock magazine which was the first version of the car (no stroker, cross ram, 11" tire no well mods. etc.) car at that time could best a 10.70, which I own a copy.
As to the stories of never being beat....while that was true, J.Addison was nobody's fool. He understood how to race, when to race, how to set it up, and how to keep a guy coming back for more. He is one of the sources/reasons that helped me understand how to play the game, which in racing, are lessons that are apllied at the track in Bracket, class etc. This IMO, was an area that he didn't get as much credit as he deserved, as he did many match races at the track.
Even when I owned the car you could count the "legitimate street drivable" 10.sec. cars on one hand. However, there were always guys looking to knock him off that had serious track cars, and would show up looking to set up a run. The idea was not just "run what ya brung" but the reality of being able to truely street drive the car (mufflers, plates, are only one part of that aspect)
Originally when I had the bullet I had an isky 590 cam in it, and w/that combo did pretty well (maybe 40 minutes or so depending traffic etc.) reagarding heat, and street drivability. I decided it needed more so I swapped in one w/more duration (270+@ 50) range, this cut down my street time considerably. I was only able to control the heat to about 20 minutes (average summer night). So to some degree I was fighting the same issues: heat, however, performance was big!! I led many to believe that I was street driving it many miles to show up, (the nugget was approx. 20mi. from my house) I would leave the trailer/tow vehicle about a mile away at a somewhat hidden parking lot, fire it up and take it in the lot.
Addison and running at the track;
One of the best ever at having the ability to "brake race" that I have ever seen ! This was one of his fortes, being able to win by just enough, usually under a car length (when under a fender or door would start discrepancies), making the other guy think he could still have won. So, during that week the guy would go home tweak on the car, show up at the local track, and possibly make some gains and would come back for more....yet to still loose by a similar amount. When pulling the car in 3rd, that's were the ride begins, the ass gets big, and the balls get small (so to speak):D. I had quite a bit of seat time in that car and my duster, which was faster, 3rd gear in a good hemorrhoid car was were the fun began.
Addison and memorable moments at the track:
I remember the most outstanding battles/match races were with a serious local racer who called himself "little Kim". The first car was a 67-8 camaro and over time (almost every year) he built a new one, progressing to a 70 camaro and then later using a monza. This guy was a serious track only racer but wanted Addison's a$$, they ran many times and Addison never lost. As Kim's car got faster (early version being 10.90, later being as fast at the track or faster than Jim), it would seem as though he would still loose by a door etc. Leaving Kim to being one very P.O'd man. Once again, brake light delete/racing worked well (a skill we all started to see later in other class and bracket racing) and his instincts combined with having a real good feel of not only the car, but when and where. Evidence of some serious skills that Jim possessed which are quite different in comparison to just cutting a light or as many worry about today MPH. Back then the MPH. light was past the ET stripe so it wasn't a sign held in such high regard like today.
The ones we wanted to see:
1972 Cobo Hall Auotrama, "Big Willie " from LA billing himself as 'undisputed king'. J.Addison and the bullet was on display and billed as "Michigan's fastest street driven car" (the car was also for sale; asking price 5,000. cash).
Big Willie comes over to Jim's spot and confronts him, this was a sight to behold. Here is big Willie, who was a huge man (maybe around 6'5-6'6 I don't even know over 400lbs?) and Jim, a little slightly hunched over man by stature, but not in mouth or heart ! Big Willie proceeds to tell him that in LA if the car isn't going faster than 9's to leave it on the trailer. Now, Big Willies' car is a orange Daytona charger (complete w/wing on rear and nose peice, year 69? don't really remember), 426 hillborn inj. hemi, 10' tire, all sheet metal sled, but claiming this car car runs 8.98's. I looked at this car, and there would only seem to be 2 ways: 1) pushing it over a cliff w/a 60mph. back wind, OR, that was 1/8 mi. time. (very difficult to believe this car could get out of it's own way)
At the end of all the shows here guys fire them and were allowed to pull behind cobo, light em up a little etc. (local police allowed "some playing") The end of the show came, and Big Willie still talking, Addison's response was, LET'S DO IT ! Then came more talk from the supposed "king" of LA, Addison's response was "where do you want to take it ?", "let's go!" ........Unfortunately we never got to see the guy get taken to the cleaners. This would have been a one of my favorites to witness.
Alright the fingers are getting' tired....I hope that this discussion is considered fair game, and would be classified as "bench racing" by the mods. here at Team Chevelle, please let me know.
Regards, M. Stevens
Great stories. I could listen all night to guys sitting around telling these.
ed3196499 Jan 24th, 08, 4:21 PM Great stuff! I agree I could listen to these stories all night:thumbsup::thumbsup:
72 malibu Jan 24th, 08, 5:22 PM The ones we wanted to see:
1972 Cobo Hall Auotrama, "Big Willie " from LA billing himself as 'undisputed king'. J.Addison and the bullet was on display and billed as "Michigan's fastest street driven car" (the car was also for sale; asking price 5,000. cash).
Big Willie comes over to Jim's spot and confronts him, this was a sight to behold. Here is big Willie, who was a huge man (maybe around 6'5-6'6 I don't even know over 400lbs?) and Jim, a little slightly hunched over man by stature, but not in mouth or heart ! Big Willie proceeds to tell him that in LA if the car isn't going faster than 9's to leave it on the trailer. Now, Big Willies' car is a orange Daytona charger (complete w/wing on rear and nose peice, year 69? don't really remember), 426 hillborn inj. hemi, 10' tire, all sheet metal sled, but claiming this car car runs 8.98's. I looked at this car, and there would only seem to be 2 ways: 1) pushing it over a cliff w/a 60mph. back wind, OR, that was 1/8 mi. time. (very difficult to believe this car could get out of it's own way)
At the end of all the shows here guys fire them and were allowed to pull behind cobo, light em up a little etc. (local police allowed "some playing") The end of the show came, and Big Willie still talking, Addison's response was, LET'S DO IT ! Then came more talk from the supposed "king" of LA, Addison's response was "where do you want to take it ?", "let's go!" ........Unfortunately we never got to see the guy get taken to the cleaners. This would have been a one of my favorites to witness.
Alright the fingers are getting' tired....I hope that this discussion is considered fair game, and would be classified as "bench racing" by the mods. here at Team Chevelle, please let me know.
Regards, M. Stevens
Very cool stuff..so that was "Big Willie's " Daytona in the beginning of Two Lane Black Top..and it is/was for sale recently, as seen in the recent thread on that movie.Must have been nice back then to have these cars all over the place, and get a run at every light. Just born a decade too late...
Chris_69_SS Jan 25th, 08, 11:28 AM One of my all time favorite cars. I have a pic on the wall of may garage.
Loved the look, esp. with the Cragrs, the history and the yr model of the car....way, WAY cool!
greenval Jan 25th, 08, 12:00 PM Hey all...just thought Id chime in with my 2c worth...since the page from my website was mentioned...
http://www.greenval.info/magstories/silverbullet/index.htm
I am (at least was a little while ago) in touch with the niece of Jimmy Addison as a result of her coming past my website...so Im trying to find out whatever I can through that avenue...
I sooooo wish I was born in the 50s so I could have been a teenager when the street racing was possible with these kick arse muscle cars...Ive got a 1969 Valiant (which you would know is a Dodge Dart) with a 360 which is running high 12s...soon mid 12s hopefully... on LPG (propane as you prob call it)...
But damn racing on the streets would have been good fun!!!! A bit of trickery here and there to get the losers back for another run... love it...
Anyone got comments about the quad exhaust on the Silver Bullet?? With each muffler only having to muffle 2 cylinders must have made for a pretty loud note?? Ive considered doing it on my (humble) small block...???
mseven Jan 25th, 08, 12:16 PM Hey all...just thought Id chime in with my 2c worth...I am (at least was a little while ago) in touch with the niece of Jimmy Addison as a result of her coming past my website...so Im trying to find out whatever I can through that avenue...
based on you site, perhaps passing the info along to the current owner (Harold Sullivan ?)would help, as he could do a car fax on the car and see what names actually come up, or feel free to contact me personally :thumbsup:
cuisinartvette Jan 25th, 08, 12:26 PM Sounds like some correct info is needed, and these guys need to do some explaining.
the summer of 1975 Manuel, Al Craft and other starving drag racers hung out at the local Big Boy restaurant located at 13 ½ Mile Road and Woodward in Royal Oak, MI. Craft paid $5,000 for the "Silver Bullet" car from Jimmy Addison. Craft wanted to be the "King of the Road" and with this car, he achieved it! Word on the street was that Jimmy had "taken" Craft because of the exorbitant price. Craft drove the car less than 2 months and blew the transmission. Craft parked the car because he couldn't afford to fix it and he eventually sold Manuel the entire drive train. Manuel stripped the car of the engine, transmission, headers, shifter with the chrome box, gauges, tachometer and radiator with the intent of using the parts on another car. Manuel, then, returned the gutted car body back to Craft.
Thereafter, the engine, transmission and other items were placed in storage in 1976 when Manuel couldn't afford to finish the restoration of his own car. Even as a teenager, he understood the inherent wealth of having this engine, since it was the most important piece of the 1967 Plymouth Belvedere GTX that was once driven by Jimmy Addison.
Storage:
The car parts were placed in storage and remained for 27 years. After the Woodward Cruise became popular, Manuel wondered how much the engine would be worth in today's market. Manuel placed an ad in the Detroit News and the phone did not stop ringing. He was so excited because he obtained many leads and actually spoke with several people who had actual contact with the car in some way, shape or form. He spoke to several people who had either grown up around the car, or helped maintain it.
Manuel asked several prospective buyers what their plans were for the engine and transmission. Many indicated that they were going to drop the parts into another GTX body. After several conversations, Manuel decided he should do exactly what the buyers were planning. He decided that he would not sell the engine and transmission.
The Engine:
Manuel immediately went to work on locating the perfect GTX car body. He found a one owner car. Manuel performed a full rotisserie restoration on the car body. After deciding to reconstruct the car, Manuel needed someone to authenticate this racing machine. A potential buyer told him of a book written by Robert Genat entitled HEMI: The Ultimate American V-8. An excerpt in the book explained how the original engine was built. The original engine was powered by a 487 cubic inch eight liter 426 HEMI V-8 that included a wide range of innovative engineering feats; as well as many sophisticated parts that Jimmy had obtained through his Chrysler connections. The car facts indicate that the original engine housed:
" Aluminum heads
" A set of 12:1 pistons
" A Racer Brown cam with 0.590 lift and 322 degrees of duration
" A magnesium cross-ram intake with two Holley 780-cfm carburetors
" 600 horsepower
" TorqueFlite transmission with a 4,000-rpm stall converter
" Rear-end ratios of either 4:30 or 4:56
At times, Jimmy Addison ran the car with a cross-ram. Still at other times, Jimmy ran the car with a tunnel-ram. When Jimmy sold the car to Kraft in the summer of 1975 the car had a tunnel-ram and two dominators.
The specifications in the excerpt were confirmed by Andy Angelucci, President of Angelucci Performance Products an expert on HEMI engines. Angelucci restored the engine back to its original street power.
Together, Angelucci and Manuel tore down the engine. Angelucci was impressed with the condition of the engine after so many years in storage. The antifreeze looked like it had just been put in. But even more so, Angelucci was absolutely amazed at the engine's mechanical design and how well balanced the machine work had been performed. Andy took one look inside the engine and said "Manuel, do you realize that there is a set of aluminum super stock K heads in this engine?" Manuel didn't even know what super stock K heads were or their significance! Andy explained that Chrysler only built these heads in 1965. In all the years that Manuel had owned the engine, he had never looked under the valve cover.
As the two continued to tear down the engine, they uncovered yet another hidden secret. On the number one cylinder was a hole with an allen wrench screw. Angelucci stepped back and started laughing. He had discovered a "cheating plug." One plausible explanation is that during that era "cheating plugs" were created to throw off the readings during the qualifying races which determined a car's classification.
Angelucci didn't change anything substantial on the engine. He only "freshened up" the system by replaced the rings, bearings and gaskets. He also performed a valve job on the heads. He cleaned up the overall engine block and added the new ignition system to make it more compatible to today's technology.
THis is going to get good I suspect :D
Chris_69_SS Jan 25th, 08, 1:21 PM There is a 67 Satellite here for sale locally, and cheap (under 10k) that comes with a cube van full of big blocks / diffs / as well as everything to finish the car......Hmmmmmmmm.
chevelledude71 Jan 25th, 08, 2:17 PM I seen that car on DREAM CAR GARAGE...AMAZING. If I won the MEGA MILLIONS LOTTERY, I would buy that. :)
based on you site, perhaps passing the info along to the current owner (Harold Sullivan ?)would help, as he could do a car fax on the car and see what names actually come up, or feel free to contact me personally :thumbsup:
Actually carfax can't help for older rides. it is only good for the 81 and later vehicles with 17 digit VINs.
mseven Jan 25th, 08, 8:52 PM Actually carfax can't help for older rides. it is only good for the 81 and later vehicles with 17 digit VINs.
I did not know that, however, the Secretary of State here in Mi. offers a personal records check of either vehicles or licenses. It would seem to me that the DMV would have all records to Vin's. submitted. The idea of a time line of info. availability may possibly be a hitch with them as well. (providing they don't destroy the information after a certain amount of time, I believe it should still be able to be acquired).
Privacy laws enacted in the last few years keep DMVs from allowing people to get info most of the time. Sometimes folks get lucky though. Best of luck trying to get the info.
Jimmy P Jan 25th, 08, 11:55 PM OK, Mr. Stevens, are your fingers rested after a few days? ;)
Questions:
Why not contact the current owner and ask him to verify all past history. This NEEDS to be done in the course of a history research, of which this car, above all others is worthy of.
Did you know of a Pete Dalasandro in Michigan? Across the street from Roush and a GM factory guy from the Tech center. First to do big inch tall deck BBC's......????? Also did a lot of Off-shore boat racing?
What was the situation of purchasing the Silver Bullet?
Did you know the historical reputation of the car when you bought and sold it?
Why did you sell it?
Thanks for signing up and sharing your history here!
mseven Jan 26th, 08, 2:07 AM OK, Mr. Stevens, are your fingers rested after a few days? ;)
Questions:
Why not contact the current owner and ask him to verify all past history. This NEEDS to be done in the course of a history research, of which this car, above all others is worthy of.
Did you know of a Pete Dalasandro in Michigan? Across the street from Roush and a GM factory guy from the Tech center. First to do big inch tall deck BBC's......????? Also did a lot of Off-shore boat racing?
What was the situation of purchasing the Silver Bullet?
Did you know the historical reputation of the car when you bought and sold it?
Why did you sell it?
Thanks for signing up and sharing your history here!
lol, actually my fingers have done more typing than ever!
Since I have started posting here, I have done some 'looking around' and have posted on a couple blog pages were they asked about this discrepancy, based on the gentlemen who claims to have an original bullet motor placed in a re-make 67 gtx (actually based on our link which I was going to thank you for:thumbsup:). I also emailed greenval (link you posted) regarding his info/site and pasted a link to this thread. After recieving my email he then posted here on the thread, and emailed me back with info on Addison's neice. I even left a messages w/numbers he provided, either they are no longer good or, no chance to return the calls.
From everything I have gathered so far, it seems Mr. Sullivan is the legit owner of not only the bullet but several 67 hemi cars including at least one vert.
I haven't been able to contact him directly yet, but I am in the process through friends (L.Mancini /R.Mancini(former ss/as champ) T.Tiganelli (ss/aa ss/as and 3 other class cars) trying and ended up leaving messages as I couldn't reach anyone today, but hopefully I can get in touch with him at some point. I would think he would also be intersted in taliking to me and my experiences with the car (pics etc.) when I owned it.
Aside from that, and based on what I've seen/read recently, I would bet Mr. Sullivan has done his 'homework' on the car.
Yes, I agree it appears as some of the history (at least the era when I owned it and what I posted earlier regarding the car being cut up etc. is lost/or not talked about). and there does appear to be quite an interest out there today.
I knew the car belonged to J. Addison, there was only one around here that looked like that, and was set up that way, more importantly, Darious who had the car was a friend of Jim's. When I saw him (Darius) at the track one weekend and he said he would consider selling the car, I asked (somewhat kiddingly) how do I know it's Addison's'? He said because he had the title and it was signed off by Jim, which was true. (Darius was running the car in Bracket I and calling it "Underdog".)
When I took possession of the car and Darious gave me the title and it was indeed listed on the front as James Addison as the owner (no leans etc.) and on the back signed off by Jim.
The name "Dalasandro" sounds familiar, but I cannot honestly say I know him. In the boat world the only guy I really knew was "drag boat Eddie" (Ed Sobieski, hemi guy). I knew/known all the Mopar guys in town. All of the guys I mentoned in my first post are all SS/AA and AS guys, and I really knew very few chevy guys. (sorry guys, I know I am on Team Chevelle)
The actual purchasing of the car came about because the car I had was totaled on the way to a gig in Minn. I owned a 1970 red hemi cuda that I bought from a kid I went to school with and paid 1150. (and pissed and moaned the whole way). The only pic. I have of this car is how it looked after being totaled. I was in Indiana on the I-94, headed to the gig, and was hit in the ass by a trucker who fell asleep at the wheel. He did get out long enough for me to get his info and left the scene of the crime. Police showed up, and arrested him before he crossed into Chi. As a result of this, his insurance could not provide a hemi cuda' to my satisfaction and the suit paid pretty substantial which include loss of vehicle and injury. I was then on the hunt for another street rod.
I went to the track one weekend and ran into Darius and started talking to him about the car (siver bullet). I think he was already getting tired of what it takes to run the car every weekend (time and money) so selling it was not that far off for him. I started to think more seriously about it, and ended up buying the car. I ended up paying $2750. for the car complete, turn key, including both pigs, and all spare parts inc. a 426 max wedge). The original exhaust was not there, the hemi could have been any number of versions, but the car was the McCoy (all vins matched you name it, it was right.
Did I know the cars history?
Absolutely, I was a fan long before I owned it. I saw the car run many times in different forums. My freind was also a 'gopher boy' for the missle and Jim was always hanging out there with the car. The first time I saw it at the auto show in 71, Addison had a "for sale" sign on it and was asking $5000.00 cash! I was drooling, but 5k at that time was a lot to me. (post #24)
Did I know it was legendary?
Sure, but until I owned it, and had a hard time getting guys to want to run, did I realize just how legendary the car was. That was around other gear heads like myself but to not outsiders. (post #24)
In the world of dealers, it was not like an original hemi car, no original paint etc.etc., so to buyers interested in a factory muscle car there was not much interest. Aside from that, the 'want to be' hot rodder was left out as the car required someone who could really wrench on it, and maintain it. At the time not many seemed to have an interest in the car, and certainly nothing like what I am seeing today.
Why I sold it was in part due to space and "growing up?".
I was already renting the garage (one behind car in the pics.) and my parents house was across the street of which I was tying up their 2 1/2 car garage.
My real baby was a purple 70 Duster that had originally purchased (in 71) and was going to be the real track car. The duster was an ongoing 10 year project before I actually had it fired and running. Along with that, in 77, I went down south and brought back a 69 GTX 440/6 pack, and already had a 65 furyI as a driver. Four cars was starting to be a lot for me to maintain not to mention space. When I had the duster finally back from being caged, tubbed, inc. 10% motor set back, etc. etc. motor/trans finally in, paint, and done deal, I decided I would start thinking about selling one of them.
One of the parts guys at the local Direct Connection warehouse started asking me about the car. He started to get serious and I thought this might work, especially since he really only wanted it as a roller. I thought keeping the the motor and trans would make decent spares for the race car. In fact near the end I actually was running the 426 max wedge (this was a petty stout max wedge)in it. I ended up selling it to him for 3400. as a roller (no motor/or trans). If memory serves, his name was Larry Henry.
Now for the sick part......("growing up?")
Somewhere around 81ish I fell for some girl and it became serious. In 84(approx.) it was "time to grow up , sell the toys, stop playing in clubs and with other girls, doing shows and settle down"
I ended up selling off ALL of the cars ...everything less my drums and tools.
Well when the cradle will rock....
In 1986-87ish I found that my little darlin' was doing some serious drugs, screwing the manager (who already shafted our band of some pretty reasonable change) and I threw her a$$ out.
So in the end,
I would have traded the nonsense, and the house etc. only to do what I always was comfortable with and loved..... I would rather have slept in the cars with my drums than the way it ended up.
BTW, when I got the car, on the left rear of the bumper there was a sticker it stated "And on the seventh day GOD created the HEMI"
Additonally, there are some things about that car (details never printed anywhere) that no-one would know...aside from who may actually own it now.
A lesson for all you young guys out there reading this !!
Hey Jimmy are you still with me ???
LOL, sorry but you did ask ....I think...sorry for the long post
Jimmy P Jan 26th, 08, 9:08 PM I'm still with you bro!
Funny thing, I've been a drummer too for 40 some years! My 8 peice set had to fit in a 70 SS Nova though! You had more room!:D
Girls & Cars? I don't even let mt wife in on ANY of my car decisions ;)
Anyone else enjoying this as much as me?
DUKE 69 Jan 26th, 08, 9:45 PM Yes, I'm REALLY enjoying this......next?
Motorhead62 Jan 26th, 08, 10:42 PM Mr Stevens,
Thanks for sharing your wonderful stories. :D
Priceless! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
mseven Jan 27th, 08, 12:52 PM I'm still with you bro! Funny thing, I've been a drummer too for 40 some years! My 8 peice set had to fit in a 70 SS Nova though! You had more room!:DGirls & Cars? I don't even let mt wife in on ANY of my car decisions ;)Anyone else enjoying this as much as me?
cool, I always liked the 70 novas, 67ish -70 (bod style) chevelles and the 69 camaro.
Drums and hot rods was my life. I never loaded the tubs in the 67 ..but no back seat did provide girl room ! I can say there was a time when life was grand !, and I do have some good memories .....
The love thing jacked me pretty good, never before that did I have feelings for any chick, and I allowed it to influence my life....very stupid in retrospect and never again.
the cuda' was the best, bass drum in trunk (14x28) trunk lid in vertical position, back seat 2 floors 16x16 and 16x18 w/10x14 rack and front seat with trap case. I could barely see out of the 2 door mirrors, I can't even believe I used to drive around that way, :D now I have an 03 Yukon XL for this stuff.
For the longest time after allowing myself to make some poor decisions I had no desire to get another cool ride. Recently though, I have been getting the 'itch' again...the only downside is, prices these days are so astronomical compared to the day.
BTW, thanks to all for the words, good to see such interest and support from real gearheads/hot rodders
Pete K Sep 30th, 10, 1:38 PM Best thread I have read in years. I thought it was worth a bump to the top so the rest of us noobs can see it. :thumbsup:
greenval Sep 30th, 10, 8:04 PM fixed the link (http://www.greenval.info/magstories/silverbullet/index.htm)to the magazine story in the earlier post...
70ss396survivor Oct 1st, 10, 9:20 AM That is the toughest car ever built.
Elcoman Oct 1st, 10, 9:38 AM I dont know how I missed this thread.
chevelledude71 Oct 1st, 10, 3:06 PM This car was featured on DREAM CAR GARAGE and driven around by the Canadian (show host and owner of the restoration shop) and the car was BEAUTIFUL. He was driving down the road, around 30mph (he said) and he hit the gas, the car HOPPED up and left two black marks, that looked about 20-30 feet long...I WAS HOOKED. That car, the way it sounded, looked and has 4 MUFFLERS...I wonder what it would sound like w/FlowMasters. :)
To say the least...awesome car. :thumbsup:
Rowdy Oct 1st, 10, 3:11 PM I dont know how I missed this thread.
I read it yesterday and was thinking the same thing.
Saw that "greenval" was right on top of it. First post 2 1/2 years ago, second yesterday. Must have had his CP set up so new posts notified his email. Be nice if he liked TC so much that he became a reguilar, but I kinda doubt it.
Wonder if M. Stevens (mseven) still checks in from time to time. I'd like to know if anything ever came from the discrepancy.
mseven Oct 2nd, 10, 8:28 AM I read it yesterday and was thinking the same thing. Saw that "greenval" was right on top of it. First post 2 1/2 years ago, second yesterday. Must have had his CP set up so new posts notified his email. Be nice if he liked TC so much that he became a reguilar, but I kinda doubt it.
Wonder if M. Stevens (mseven) still checks in from time to time. I'd like to know if anything ever came from the discrepancy.
I do check in over here from time to time....good board :beers:
Interestingly enough this year at the show I left a message for Harold Sullivan and the Mon. after he called me and we finally had a chance to talk....for a couple of hours in fact.
He asked me several questions including the condition of the car as I sold it and after I sold it. I gave him the complete run down including that the quarters were cut off and new ones installed, 2x3 square tube chassis rails etc.etc. (all installed by G. Kozak for the guy I sold the car to), and some other unique things that no one (aside from Jim and possibly himself) would have known. He confirmed that this was exactly how he bought/found the car. I also told him that I had been reading all these blogs regarding the original motor etc. and that when I sold it I had kept the original motor and the car was sold as a roller. I stated that all of those statements were balderdash and that there was no real way to determine any motor that was ever in the car. He agreed and felt that much of what was stated in various places was also incorrect info. He went on to say that he had heard that some "kid" had actually owned the car through that time period but was never confirmed...I mentioned that I was currently 56 he stated he is 62 (if I remember) ...I guess I was a kid at the time ..lol He went on to say that he that he was always a fan of of the car and also wanted to buy the car and at that time, but could not afford it.
Never the less, I shot him a couple of pics (just as posted here on Team Chevelle). He invited me to come over to his shop and check out the car anytime, the rest of his collection and in general just shoot the breeze about the car etc. Mr. Sullivan is a very amiable gentleman, and I will be giving him a call back soon. He asked if he could purchase any or all copies of the car when I owned it....I will be giving him a series of pictures.
As with all legends I suppose there will always be an amount of myth and talk....The car was cool...but to me, the fact is that it would have been just another modded out 67 belvedere if wasn't for the owner Jim Addison who put it on the map and built the reputation as "Michigan's fastest street driven car". I believe that some of this is the part that goes understated, as many just view the car.
Thanks to all here at Team Chevelle for welcoming me to your board..it is greatly appreciatted, and to Ron (67T56Elky) thanks for bringing this to my atention it has certainly been a trip down memory lane. :beers:
Thank YOU mseven!
I love reading about the history as I'm sure everyone else does too.
Bunz-T Oct 2nd, 10, 11:31 AM One of the great things about this hobby is you never get tired of the good stuff. WOW.
muncher Oct 2nd, 10, 11:38 AM I remember hearing stories about that car when I was a kid from my older sisters' friends.
Can never get tired of hearing old muscle car street racing stories - especially when it's in your own area.
Mali Blu Oct 2nd, 10, 1:04 PM So if Im putting this together right, the guy that claims to have the original engine, Manuel,doesn't, because mseven pulled it out before he sold the car?
Bill Pritchard Oct 2nd, 10, 8:30 PM Wow, I never saw this thread prior to today :eek: Some great stories about a true legendary vehicle in the Muscle Car world. Thank you very much to M. Stevens for taking the time to post on here :hurray: :thumbsup: :beers: Personally, I couldn't care less that the car you're posting about is a Mopar....I like them all!
Andy69 Oct 2nd, 10, 8:38 PM JimmyP passed away not too long after this thread :sad:
Pete K Oct 2nd, 10, 10:24 PM So if Im putting this together right, the guy that claims to have the original engine, Manuel,doesn't, because mseven pulled it out before he sold the car?
That's right. If I also understood Mseven correctly, he likely knows where that motor is today.
Pete K Oct 2nd, 10, 10:27 PM That's right. If I also understood Mseven correctly, he likely knows where that motor is today.
Just to clarify, the origional engine was not a hemi. No telling how many different hemi's were between the framerails when Addison owned it. Maybe only one, maybe more, Mseven kept the last engine in the car that Addison ran.
Mali Blu Oct 3rd, 10, 12:02 AM Just to clarify, the origional engine was not a hemi. No telling how many different hemi's were between the framerails when Addison owned it. Maybe only one, maybe more, Mseven kept the last engine in the car that Addison ran.I think when we talk about the cars engine, we are talking about the engine that was in it when Addison owned it. Thats the engine that made the car what it was, right?
centex396 Oct 3rd, 10, 12:22 AM WOW just read this thread and am blown away by this story. Thank You M. Seven
for sharing it with fellow car guys no matter what brand. Love storys from the
"Good old days"
Pete K Oct 3rd, 10, 12:34 AM I think when we talk about the cars engine, we are talking about the engine that was in it when Addison owned it. Thats the engine that made the car what it was, right?
That is the one I was referring to, Assuming Addison only ran 1 hemi.
AmericanMuscle Oct 3rd, 10, 2:01 AM WOW just read this thread and am blown away by this story. Thank You M. Seven
for sharing it with fellow car guys no matter what brand. Love storys from the
"Good old days"
x2:yes:
Thanks for sharing!
Rowdy Oct 11th, 10, 4:45 PM I do check in over here from time to time....good board :beers:
Thanks to all here at Team Chevelle for welcoming me to your board..it is greatly appreciatted, and to Ron (67T56Elky) thanks for bringing this to my atention it has certainly been a trip down memory lane. :beers:
You're certainly welcome.
Thank you, not only sharing the story, but the follow-up, as well.
It's no doubt that many TCer's knew of, possibly were themselves, racing legends in and around their own neck of the woods back in the day. If they're anything like myself, the cars/people/stories of that bygone era often come to mind, as do the wonders of what had become of the them.
Not entirely sure what was more enjoyable, the "Silver Bullit" thread itself or the memories stirred by the telling.
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