this car has always held my interest...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-LS-6-CHEVELLE-SS-454-4700-MILES_W0QQitemZ270205453770QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m270205453770

even has the original tires?
that car must have been in a time capsule.
should bring in big $$$.
50K ????

I think that its Roger Ausleys old car. I wish it was mine. It will be interesting to see what it sells for.

No bids? Or just listed? Either way, he's starting the bidding too low IMHO.

even has the original tires?
that car must have been in a time capsule.
should bring in big $$$.
50K ????

i would think more like 85-100k...

I didn't know those cars came with Uniroyal tiger paw tires as original equipment. Guess there are a lot of guys running around with the wide oval, or polyglass tires that are incorrect. Seems like there would be a lot of "correct" cars out there that are not correct, anybody know? I would think if this car is truly what it is, and the miles and equipment are documented as such, then this car would be a half million minimum.

I didn't know those cars came with Uniroyal tiger paw tires as original equipment. Guess there are a lot of guys running around with the wide oval, or polyglass tires that are incorrect. Seems like there would be a lot of "correct" cars out there that are not correct, anybody know? I would think if this car is truly what it is, and the miles and equipment are documented as such, then this car would be a half million minimum.

wouldn't this one be worth more than that benchmark velle-the black one that had white stripes added onto it even though it didn't have teh d88 option...? yeah you're probably right 1/2M$

I wish that car could be had for $50K.

I'd be on my way to pick it up right now if it could!

I didn't know those cars came with Uniroyal tiger paw tires as original equipment. Guess there are a lot of guys running around with the wide oval, or polyglass tires that are incorrect. Seems like there would be a lot of "correct" cars out there that are not correct, anybody know? I would think if this car is truly what it is, and the miles and equipment are documented as such, then this car would be a half million minimum.

These cars had tires from at least 4 suppliers through the 1970 model year. Firestone, Goodyear, Uniroyal, and General. You had no choice in the matter of what brand you got. Whoo hoo I'm high bidder! :D

These cars had tires from at least 4 suppliers through the 1970 model year. Firestone, Goodyear, Uniroyal, and General. You had no choice in the matter of what brand you got.

You may not be totally accurate here Dave ;)

In October of 1969 when I was ordering my 70 Chevelle SS I specified on the order form "Uniroyal Tiger Paws" as those were the tires on my 69 Camaro RS/SS I was trading in and I wanted the same brand. Maybe I was lucky with the "random" selection of tires, but I don't think so. Back then you could get little things that you certainly can't accomplish today. Manufacturers and dealers were much more accomodating in that era as "selling the car" and "giving the customer what they wanted" were the most important things. They kept me happy :)

Agree - the starting price on the car in question is low. Will likely get a lot of tire kickers making enquiries.

Wish there was a better view of the engine bay. I guess it woudln't matter though because nothing has been changed (excet oil filter w/e)

Would this car be "The Holy Grail" for a Chevelle guy?

Would this car be "The Holy Grail" for a Chevelle guy?

No, the "The Holy Grail" of Chevelles would be the single Z-16 comvertible !

Would this car be "The Holy Grail" for a Chevelle guy?


or a 1971 Chevelle LS6 if any were ever made... :yes:

It would be nice if someone on here buys it. Also would be nice so we can use it for reference.

That car is Roger Ausley's old car. IMHO one of the nicest survivor cars out there. If this car could be bought for anywhere near where you guys are estimating it I would already own it. Last time he had it advertised I believe the asking price was somewhere around $275K.
BTW the tire selection I believe was random as to what plants received tires from 5 different suppliers. Goodyear , Firestone , Uniroyal , General and BF Goodrich. I think that GM contracted with these 5 different suppliers to keep up with production demands.
Certain plants did seem to get a certain brand for the most part by specific tire style and size. Atlanta cars and Baltimore cars seemed to get a large share of Uniroyal Tiger Paws in the F-70-14 raised white letter design.
The reason you don't see many cars with these tires has more to do with the lack of any reproduction for these available.
As for Don requesting Uniroyals for his 69 when he ordered it new, I personally think you won the luck of the draw on this one. Whatever the plant received for stock is more than likely what you got.
Chris

IMHO,this IS the holy grail in regards to a 1970 LS6 car.
Roger used to have a gobi beige LS6 car that was nice as well.

No 1971 LS6 Chevelles where ever sold to the public but there was an engineering test mule that was road tested back in the day by I believe Hi Performance Cars magazine.

I'd love to know the story on this car. Who would buy an LS6 in 1970 and hardly ever drive it? :confused:

I think the full story of the cars history would be very interesting - especially since my Dad's family is from the Windber, PA area, and I have visited Marhefka Chevrolet (where this car was sold - see build sheet).

this car.
is a waste....
why would anyone buy the most powerfull chevelle ever... and not drive it..
might as well be a 6cyl/pg car...

this car.
is a waste....
why would anyone buy the most powerfull chevelle ever... and not drive it..
might as well be a 6cyl/pg car...

Retirement plan Maybe? :D

I'd love to know the story on this car. Who would buy an LS6 in 1970 and hardly ever drive it? :confused:

I think the full story of the cars history would be very interesting - especially since my Dad's family is from the Windber, PA area, and I have visited Marhefka Chevrolet (where this car was sold - see build sheet).

this car.
is a waste....
why would anyone buy the most powerfull chevelle ever... and not drive it..
might as well be a 6cyl/pg car...

That is a good question...I would think that people back then wouldnt have cared about what these cars would bring in 40 years later. But maybe those 4,000 miles were beating the pi$$ out of miles;). The owner probably loved the car too much and treated it like it was delicate probably.

Sad thing is it won't be driven NOW either...:(

I'd love to know the story on this car. Who would buy an LS6 in 1970 and hardly ever drive it? :confused:

I think the full story of the cars history would be very interesting - especially since my Dad's family is from the Windber, PA area, and I have visited Marhefka Chevrolet (where this car was sold - see build sheet).

this car.
is a waste....
why would anyone buy the most powerfull chevelle ever... and not drive it..
might as well be a 6cyl/pg car...

Perhaps they were put on a quarter mile at a time at the strip and thats it?

Perhaps they were put on a quarter mile at a time at the strip and thats it?


i could see that.

Retirement plan Maybe? :D

I bet when people bought these cars new, that had no idea they would be worth anything at all. They were just a high performance working mans car back in the day. If everyone knew that they would be worth so much, Warren Buffet would have bought every single one back in 70

I would own this car if anyway possible myself.This is the car that turned me on to LS6'S when it along with Rogers Gobi Beige Ls6 was in featured in Super Chey in 89.I still have the magazine.

Ray

I would own this car if anyway possible myself.This is the car that turned me on to LS6'S when it along with Rogers Gobi Beige Ls6 was in featured in Super Chey in 89.I still have the magazine.

Ray

yup..have that same issue and thats when the whole 454 LS6 bug got me too

Marhefka in Windber and Watson in Jennerstown are both very close to me 20-30- Miles. I mentioned Watson in Jennerstown because I saw a 70 Citrus Green Chevelle from Watsons in a Super Chevy Maz. I think it was at a Chicago show, Not sure.
Anyone remember Bill Bonham, from Roanoke, Va. He was the org. owner of a blue LS-6-4 Spd. He use to bring it to the NCOA shows and winch it in and out of the Tlr. It would sit at the bottom of the Tralier door. I was a VERY LOW milage one owner LS-6.
Bob

Bonhams car had like 8500 miles when I seen it back in the late '90's at Schaumburg. His is the car that I refer to when I tell people how over-restored cars are. If you were to replicate the 36 grit grinder marks in the lead quarter/roof seams, you would be ridiculed. I am sure that people like Chris and Jeff know exactly what I am talking about.

I just dug up the May 1998 issue of Super Chevy that features this car and the gobi beige one.The magazine shows a picture of a buildsheet and states its for the red car,but the buildsheet is for a Baltimore car,which is where the gobi beige car was built.
The article as mentions the 22 mile LS6 car that I believe now has 29 miles
I also noticed magazines from the late 80's don't smell like ones for the late 60's/early 70's :D
Also there was a matching # 1970 Monte SS454 for sale in the classifieds priced at $4500

Where is all that writing that belongs on the firewall and stuff???? :)

Stop it Dave...:D

Notice the Cowl Seal with the seam at 5:00 and the tape dosent wrap entirely around the seam as I believed....

Air cleaner Lid looks repainted, so perhaps re-installed? Or perhaps Seam to Rear wasn't always consistant.

I also thought the heater hose clamp was to be attached to the Alternator bracket..??

Nice Overspray detail on the Front Engine Hoist Bracket....Makes sense when you think about it.... I'll be adding that detail to my car.

I would have expected to see more on the bypass hose as it was my belief they were installed prior to paint... Either it has been replaced, or I am mistaken because none is evidant.


That why I love these original cars..... They are a learning experiance.

Also note the correct style of LH smog tube.

Trivia: :D

Who can identify the visably incorrect reproduction part on this car and why is it incorrect?

I have an EAGLE Eye.. and I am sure most can't see it.. but I can tell by the way the car is sitting.....This car's Tires have a mixture of ORIGINAL 70 Air and some REPRO Air that appears to be about Year 2005. :secret:

So much for Survivor...:disco:

The front and rear USA-1 plates are repops, long bolt hole slots, pics aren't the best but it looks to have aftermarket hood locks in place the factory hood pins and cables.
The cowl seal is installed wrong but original seals only have the cloth type tape on the rear of the seal, not all the way around like some repops.
Chris

The Hood Pin plates don't look right. They look like the old kind you could buy to lock the hood with a key that kind of looked like it was for a pop machine.

The front and rear USA-1 plates are repops, long bolt hole slots, pics aren't the best but it looks to have aftermarket hood locks in place the factory hood pins and cables.
The cowl seal is installed wrong but original seals only have the cloth type tape on the rear of the seal, not all the way around like some repops.
Chris

Good Eye Chris.

1970 promo Plate...... See America's First... (I just bought one no less than 15 minutes ago on E-bay) :) (car's wearing re-pop 1971 plates.)

I missed the Hood pins.

My eyes must be getting bad. I didnt read the post from Chris good enough. Sorry :boring::boring:

Where is the battery ground cable bolted to on this car, alt bracket, or block?? I can't see it.

Ok John what do I win? BTW the correct 70 promo plate has the same slogan as 69 Putting You First Keeps Us First! See America's first came out earlier.
Chris

Dave, It will be on the block. Atlanta cars usually have the FV coded cable like this car's buildsheet calls out for. 8901358 FV goes to the block, 8901637 PE would mount to the upper alt. bracket.
Chris

Ok John what do I win? BTW the correct 70 promo plate has the same slogan as 69 Putting You First Keeps Us First! See America's first came out earlier.
Chris


Dont you tell me that Chris. I seriously just bought one.
Here is a list I copied off TC last year, I believe it was posted by Rick peters (mr. 70)



1964
*Count On Chevrolet to Build the one you want
*The Great Highway performers
*more,more,more for 64
*Chevys Lateset,Chevys Greatest!
*Chevy Time
*There's 5 in 64
*Roll Chevy Roll!(NSC)

1965
*Something New For EveryBody!
*The Beautiful Shapes for 65!
*Buy Word For '65..by Chevrolet
*65's Beautiful Breakaway (or Breakthrough) by Chevrolet
*The MAKE that MAKES you want a 65!
*Red Hot and Rolling!(NSC Campaign)
*Here and Wow!
*Steer em right!(NSC)
*New and Great!
*The Super 65's

1966
*A perfectly beautiful year to Go Chevrolet
*Your year to live it up in style
*Thrill of the Year
*Double divendend days!
*The thrilling 66's
*High Style! New Spirit!

1967
*Everything new that could happen...HAPPENED!
*Rumors come true Wonderfully!
*Mean more than ever before
*Exciting Beauty! Power that moves!
*Always out front in safety,(or styling)
*Chevy comes out swinging for 67
*Wonderful One
*America's No.1 Seller

1968
*Look at Chevrolets Latest!
*Decidely 68! Chevrolet!
*Stunningly Beautiful! Superbly Built! The 68 Chevrolet! Dramatically Designed! Distinctively Different! Daringly New!

1969
*Putting You first Keeps Us First!-(USA-1 License plate slogan too)
*The Leader Comes on Strong


1970
*"On The Move" The Chevrolet 70's.
*See America's First-(License Plate Slogan)
*The Chevrolet Movers (Trucks)

1971
*Putting you first in a Big Way-(license Plate slogan)
*Totally Tougher (Trucks)
*The Little Car that Does everything Well (Vega)

1972
*For you in 72!
*We want your Chevrolet to be the best car you've ever owned.
*Totally tougher to last longer (Trucks)
*Building a Better Way to See the USA (Mid year Red-White-Blue Motiff License Plate Slogan)Used in 1974 also

1973-Red-White-Blue motiff takes off.
*Building a Better Way to Serve the USA (Trucks)

1975
*Chevrolet Makes sense For America
*Lasting Chevy Value (Trucks)
*America's favorites,BaseBall,HotDogs,Apple Pie and Chevrolet (used well into the 76- 77 years too)

JC

Sorry John, All the factory photos I have and literature shows the Putting You First Keeps Us First! on 1970 cars. The See America's First plate shows up prior to 1969.
Chris

Are you looking at pre-production GM photos?

Much information on Search confirms "See America's First." and Rick Peters is pretty darn knowlegable on 1970 GM.

I'm not telling you your wrong..... I'm hoping your wrong.

Can you show me any specific literature or ducuments that sumarizes your findings?

I'll have too look for it, but I have a picture somewhere showing the line-up of 69 Indy Pace Car Camaro's and if I'm not mistaken they have See America's First plates on them. Not too uncommon to see earlier releases on later cars. I believe the See America's First plates could go back to 1965. There are a few different versions of that slogan plate.
Chris

This is it.

I found a Member with an original photo in 1970, with See america's first plate... Bill T SS70

He has not been on since last October though and the photo he posted has expired.....

I've asked Al to help so that I can contact him, and hopefully post this photo.

Sorry about the digression on your thread Chris.

Sorry about the digression on your thread Chris.

This is all great info :thumbsup:

this car has always held my interest...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-LS-6-CHEVELLE-SS-454-4700-MILES_W0QQitemZ270205453770QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m270205453770

And so close to home....:( ;)

Sad thing is it won't be driven NOW either...:(

Not that I could own that car..... but I would have to drive it at least once.... or twice;):D

The bench seat taakes away a bit from the car but IMHO the car is
150-175K.:thumbsup:

I'll have too look for it, but I have a picture somewhere showing the line-up of 69 Indy Pace Car Camaro's and if I'm not mistaken they have See America's First plates on them. Not too uncommon to see earlier releases on later cars. I believe the See America's First plates could go back to 1965. There are a few different versions of that slogan plate.
Chris


We might both be right Chris.... Clarification per Rick Peters.

From: mr70 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=464&what=viewmessage&Message=195254&box=received)
Hi John
In 1969 they used "Putting you first keeps us first".
In 1970 they used the same slogan earlky on,then brought out the "See America's First" slogan that was first used in 1965.
But this time that plate was solid steel,not thin tin with a cardboard backing like in 1965.
I have various photos of New 1970 vehicles on the showroom floor & National sales convention with both plates displayed.I've met a few owners still having the plates they bought back then too.
I would'nt exclude either,nor pick one over the other.
They both applied,& if you want to get technical,early 1970 production probably received the "putting you first" plate,with later holding the "See America's" plate.
Rick



http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/70083/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1




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Thanks, Chris

$81,000 and still rising. Reserve not met. I live in Ct however on the other side of the state. This is the first I have heard of this one.

Damn! Auction ended at $175,500.00, RESERVE NOT MET!

Good grief!

Louey

Damn! Auction ended at $175,500.00, RESERVE NOT MET!

Good grief!

Louey

Gotta Love it! Kind of sets what the value is for the real LS6 with bullet proof docs. :hurray:

HEY GUYS....I have an idea.....The first 50 guys who want kick in 5,ooo a piece get together and we buy the car as a group buy....we have a lottery for what month of the year you get to babysit OUR baby..after she makes the rounds to everyone once.....four years and two months later we carry it to BJ in Scottsdale with the story of the last L-S6 that was driven like it was meant to be driven...A COLLECTOR CAR!...ONE OF A KIND!.....and double your investment in four years and two months..can't get that from the market now........now because it is my idea ...I get to go first......;).......and sorry to the man next in line...:(....I think you are going to need new tires....;)

Joe,sounds good to me...
I suspect the seller is reading this...

Gotta Love it! Kind of sets what the value is for the real LS6 with bullet proof docs. :hurray:



hmmmm

I wouldn't say the results of this auction set the price point for LS6's with bullet proof docs at all..

What I would say is with as much discussion as took place here as well as other Chevrolet car sites, the fact the car is on Ebay and able to be viewed by a world wide population, and guys with the financial means both saw the auction and persumably could have bid it up...the following can be said...

The owner feels the car is worth 300k (that is the number being thrown around..)...yet the car bid to 175k..So in reality the owner neither found 2 other people who share his beliefs..or it would have bid further, and the people buying LS6's feel it is a 175k car...

Keep in mind this is a red, 4spd, original paint, extremely well known, extremely well pedigreed car, with irefutable docs and owner pedigree...in essence.. short of having buckets...the perfect LS6...and contrary to what others want to say the value is..IMO and based on the auction results...not a 300k car...

So to say this cars results somehow move another green, 4spd or automatic, restored, doc'd LS6 to 175k IMO isn't the case...The fact of the matter is in the last 6 months..3 different blue LS6's either with 4spds (2 of them) or an auto..all matching, restored, doc'd cars have been between 75k-110k..and I believe haven't sold, or at the least didin't sell overnight or in weeks...even when marketed through the various websites and Ebay..So IMO the market isn't the upper 100's at all...

No offense and guys can claim LS6's are 150-175k all day...but the sales results don't show this....more like upper 80's-just over 100k...for all but converts...Guys can claim what they want but let's see actual money change hands...

Just my observations...

Chris....all the better... we'll let him kick in 5k and we'll even let him drive it!

hmmmm

I wouldn't say the results of this auction set the price point for LS6's with bullet proof docs at all..

What I would say is with as much discussion as took place here as well as other Chevrolet car sites, the fact the car is on Ebay and able to be viewed by a world wide population, and guys with the financial means both saw the auction and persumably could have bid it up...the following can be said...

The owner feels the car is worth 300k (that is the number being thrown around..)...yet the car bid to 175k..So in reality the owner neither found 2 other people who share his beliefs..or it would have bid further, and the people buying LS6's feel it is a 175k car...

Keep in mind this is a red, 4spd, original paint, extremely well known, extremely well pedigreed car, with irefutable docs and owner pedigree...in essence.. short of having buckets...the perfect LS6...and contrary to what others want to say the value is..IMO and based on the auction results...not a 300k car...

So to say this cars results somehow move another green, 4spd or automatic, restored, doc'd LS6 to 175k IMO isn't the case...The fact of the matter is in the last 6 months..3 different blue LS6's either with 4spds (2 of them) or an auto..all matching, restored, doc'd cars have been between 75k-110k..and I believe haven't sold, or at the least didin't sell overnight or in weeks...even when marketed through the various websites and Ebay..So IMO the market isn't the upper 100's at all...

No offense and guys can claim LS6's are 150-175k all day...but the sales results don't show this....more like upper 80's-just over 100k...for all but converts...Guys can claim what they want but let's see actual money change hands...

Just my observations...

I generally agree with your analysis but I think you are way low for real doc'd cars. I turned down 135K for mine.

IMO you should have taken the offer if you plan on selling in the next few years...A lot of guys felt the way you do back in 1991 (when we had a recession on the horizon as well..) after musclecar prices were at the same dollar amounts to a large degree as they are today..Some guys here might not realize LS6's during that time period (late '80/ early '90s)were trading for the upper 80's-100k then...and yet 4 years later were a third of that..And I'd say back then they were even "rarer" than they are today...(not as many cars known as a result of the 'net then...)..and keep in mind the dollar amount then was worth more ..ie: 75k then vs 75k today...as a result of inflation...

As always the case we are only specualting about where values are going..but I tend to error on the side of history repeating itself and being conservative with values..

I think he may have it for a while before he gets more then that 175K plus it got auctioned up to.

IMO you should have taken the offer if you plan on selling in the next few years...A lot of guys felt the way you do back in 1991 (when we had a recession on the horizon as well..) after musclecar prices were at the same dollar amounts to a large degree as they are today..Some guys here might not realize LS6's during that time period (late '80/ early '90s)were trading for the upper 80's-100k then...and yet 4 years later were a third of that..And I'd say back then they were even "rarer" than they are today...(not as many cars known as a result of the 'net then...)..and keep in mind the dollar amount then was worth more ..ie: 75k then vs 75k today...as a result of inflation...

As always the case we are only specualting about where values are going..but I tend to error on the side of history repeating itself and being conservative with values..

It is a moot point because none of my cars are for sale. However from past experience the market for collector cars like everything else is cyclical and will come back stronger then ever. Like land they are not making any more of them and the real cars are still selling for real money. You just don't see them on the forums. My car is ALL origianl sheet metal,glass and drivetrain with all the GM docs. If you want a real car,go find another one like that. I have my cars because I enjoy them and they are all real, not because I am looking to turn a profit. Too many folks bought cars not because of the love of the car but because they thought they were going to make a fast buck. Dumb reason IMO. If the cars make money when it comes time to sell great,but they are my hobby not my retirement.

Another very nice car!!!! I kow that I can not afford it. I just wish that a true car nut buys the car.

Another very nice car!!!! I kow that I can not afford it. I just wish that a true car nut buys the car.


Its out of my price range, too. And thankfully, it is also out of the price range of those who would " buy it to fry it". There is nothing wrong with a very few low mileage cars like this one being saved for historical record so that future enthusiests can see exactly the way they were made. Yes, they were made to be driven, but their are plenty of cars out there as drivers. How many of these are left? To suggest that it should be driven at the expense of its originality is to not understand what kind of car this really is. Like the original poster here, this car also has a special place in my heart. I remember when Roger bought the car, it looked like someone had pulled it out of a hermedicly sealed bag. It was at that time, the most original one anyone had come up with, and definately made an impression on anyone who saw it. Heres hoping if it does sell, the new owner will keep it as the icon it really is.

Jeff Dotterer
Dated Components
Diamond Restored Judge

hmmmm

I wouldn't say the results of this auction set the price point for LS6's with bullet proof docs at all..

What I would say is with as much discussion as took place here as well as other Chevrolet car sites, the fact the car is on Ebay and able to be viewed by a world wide population, and guys with the financial means both saw the auction and persumably could have bid it up...the following can be said...

The owner feels the car is worth 300k (that is the number being thrown around..)...yet the car bid to 175k..So in reality the owner neither found 2 other people who share his beliefs..or it would have bid further, and the people buying LS6's feel it is a 175k car...

Keep in mind this is a red, 4spd, original paint, extremely well known, extremely well pedigreed car, with irefutable docs and owner pedigree...in essence.. short of having buckets...the perfect LS6...and contrary to what others want to say the value is..IMO and based on the auction results...not a 300k car...

So to say this cars results somehow move another green, 4spd or automatic, restored, doc'd LS6 to 175k IMO isn't the case...The fact of the matter is in the last 6 months..3 different blue LS6's either with 4spds (2 of them) or an auto..all matching, restored, doc'd cars have been between 75k-110k..and I believe haven't sold, or at the least didin't sell overnight or in weeks...even when marketed through the various websites and Ebay..So IMO the market isn't the upper 100's at all...

No offense and guys can claim LS6's are 150-175k all day...but the sales results don't show this....more like upper 80's-just over 100k...for all but converts...Guys can claim what they want but let's see actual money change hands...

Just my observations...

You certainly are entitled to your opinion and no offense is taken,but I have turned down wll in excess of 100K for my car and look at the two that sold at Barrettt Jackson. I am not saying the car is worth 300K and it might be, but I believe that car is worth 175K. As Jeff said this is a very special car. Really who is to say. If you can buy a bullet proof documented origanl LS6 for 80K,you had better buy as many as you can get your hands on or tell me where they are and I will buy them.:yes:

Hello guys, Yes it is the 1970 I bought in the middle 80s. I put the tag on the front and yes it is a repo. bought from Dave Graham. I used to sell all of his repo. tags. As for why the low milage, the owner worked in the coal mines when he bought the car. When the first gas crunch hit he parked it because of the shortage and fuel milage (4:10 gears). Then after the second rise in prices he decided to park it for good. I heard about the car at Carlisle, that it was advertised in a local trader. I bought the trader and there she was. I called and left Carlisle the very next morning to see the car, after first borrowing money from everyone I knew so to have the money when I got there. He opened the garage and I almost lost my breath. I asked him if he had the title and told him to go get it. All of this happened in about 45 seconds. While he was gone David Bunn and I went over the car and could not believe our eyes. It was perfect. Needless to say I drove it back from Windber to Carlisle. Threw a belt and almost overheated it. Layed the title on the top of the car at the hotel and forgot it until later when I was showing it to someone and found the title laying on the ground behind the car. I talked to the owner yesterday and he has a strong lead on the car. It is being appraised sometime soon and may change hands for more than you guys are thinking. Yes, I should have kept it but ??????? Roger Ausley

Oh, the air cleaner top was not repainted as long as I had the car. I never did anything to the car but oil and battery. As far as I know the lifters have never been adjusted. I drove it some but the tires were USELESS. Spun every time you half throttled it all through third gear. How on earth did they ever run in the 13s? Roger Ausley

Hello guys, Yes it is the 1970 I bought in the middle 80s. I put the tag on the front and yes it is a repo. bought from Dave Graham. I used to sell all of his repo. tags. As for why the low milage, the owner worked in the coal mines when he bought the car. When the first gas crunch hit he parked it because of the shortage and fuel milage (4:10 gears). Then after the second rise in prices he decided to park it for good. I heard about the car at Carlisle, that it was advertised in a local trader. I bought the trader and there she was. I called and left Carlisle the very next morning to see the car, after first borrowing money from everyone I knew so to have the money when I got there. He opened the garage and I almost lost my breath. I asked him if he had the title and told him to go get it. All of this happened in about 45 seconds. While he was gone David Bunn and I went over the car and could not believe our eyes. It was perfect. Needless to say I drove it back from Windber to Carlisle. Threw a belt and almost overheated it. Layed the title on the top of the car at the hotel and forgot it until later when I was showing it to someone and found the title laying on the ground behind the car. I talked to the owner yesterday and he has a strong lead on the car. It is being appraised sometime soon and may change hands for more than you guys are thinking. Yes, I should have kept it but ??????? Roger Ausley

Wasn't the whole story of your finding this car in one of the old NCOA "Chevelle Reports"? What a find! You shoulda kept it, man!

Rogre,thanks for sharing your experience with us on this car..very cool :thumbsup:

You certainly are entitled to your opinion and no offense is taken,but I have turned down wll in excess of 100K for my car and look at the two that sold at Barrettt Jackson. I am not saying the car is worth 300K and it might be, but I believe that car is worth 175K. As Jeff said this is a very special car. Really who is to say. If you can buy a bullet proof documented origanl LS6 for 80K,you had better buy as many as you can get your hands on or tell me where they are and I will buy them.:yes:

No offense taken either...I would caution against using B&J as the utmost guide to value however..as it is one of the reasons the hobby is in the mess it is...As I've always advocated...use "real" world examples and take the median value...B&J isn't IMO the "real" world...more like a bunch of ego happy guys with P.E...As far as the 2 LS6's which just sold there...take away B&J and list the cars here, on the SYC, Ebay, etc and see if they sell for that much....Another words take them away from the carnival atmosphere, away from alcohol, a TV camera being thrown on a buyer, someone having 15 mins of fame, etc.

As far as buying bulletproof docd LS6's...again I don't see them as overly rare...like I previously mentioned 3 blue cars, all with bullet proof docs have been listed in the last 6 months for anywhere from 80-115k..and these are all restored cars...and to my knowledge have yet to sell..And these are just the cars you read about..Are other guys asking more..Sure..but are the cars actually trading hands??? Is this particualr LS6 worth more than 95% of the LS6's out there..sure...and I think 175k is IMO the "right" money in this market...maybe 200k tops but IMO anything over that is over speculating...But you also have to look at what is going on in the hobby as a whole..I don't personally think, with the exception of the LS6 'verts ANY LS6 is over 200k and the ONLY LS6 coupes even in the 150-175k range are cars like this one..without fluff....IMO 95% of the coupes out there are in the very low 100k range for a documented, frame off'd car..again just my opinion, but I've also studied the market and owned 4 LS6's dating back to 1994.

Finally how long ago did someone offer you "well over 100k?" If it was 2004 or 2005..maybe even up to mid 2006...Well that was the top of the market..and what a lot of guys here and who are collecting today don't think about is simply this..

Just because someone offered you "X" dollars..doesn't mean that is the value...today or tomorrow..When you move what is essentially a hobby into the realm of collectibles..then they are governed by the "rules" of any other investment...sometimes they are up..sometimes down..the goal is buy low, sell high, today's price isn't guaranteed for tomorrow..and that goes both ways..up or down..Simply put these cars (LS6's) are now no different than a stock...yet they are really IMO much more volatile as instaed of being something EVERYONE sees the inherent value in investing in..such as stock, real estate, gold, gems, etc..the group that "sees" the perceived value is much narrower..and if you truly understand the American collector car hobby (a few scattered exceptions..)..then you realize there is a very apparent "lifespan" on each decade..and when it runs out..the vast majority of the cars drop in value as the newer "investors" are less likely to "see" that value and price point. It is just the way it is..

I ask anyone who has studied Econ..what is one of the biggest rules of money..?? A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow..So IMO the reason someone buys a car like this is simply as an investment, as I think we all can agree the car isn't going to be driven and more than likely 50-60% of the value is in the miles and originality..So IMO if you are an investor, and knowing what happens with American made cars as investments..I'd put my money elsewhere in more traditional investments, which have proven themselves to be more stable in the long run, and if I wanted a red, 4spd LS6..go buy a different car.


Just as an informal poll...How many guys reading this owned what are now "collectible" Chevrolet musclecars (ie: documented, solid lifter, matching Camaros, Chevelles, Nova's, or 'vettes) in 1991,1994,1997,2000,2003??? I'd be curious as to what you owned, the prices paid, etc..I know some guys by name and telephone conversations..so I know you've owned some nice stuff..