Interesting poll today. Simply, did Roger Clemens take steroids? All his appearances in which he denies it seem pretty compelling, however, could it be that when he thought he was being injected with B12, etc. it was really HGH and/or steroids without him knowing it? The trainer seems to have a sketchy past.

I think what professional ball players no matter what league is all come forwards and say yes we have used these substances in the past and let the leagues sort it out! Hell, they can't fire them all! It would though, bring the insanity to an end! Then they can start all over with a real anti-doping programs!:yes:

I'm not a baseball fan, but from watching the 60 minutes episode, it's one persons word against anothers. Not enough evidence for guilt. People have made up complete lies about me.

I don't think he took them @ all.
he never looked like he was on them.

users usually look more defined & muscular.
Roger always was big but more chubby than muscular

what Roger Clemens has done in his personal life has nothing to do with baseball. It is a sport that he has excelled in his whole life. I'm sure the man was'nt taking these muscle inhancing drugs in high school, in which his ability lead to a scholarship in college. And from college to the pro's. I have personally used steroids in my early 20's for years. I would have never made it as a pro athlete from these drugs or been considered. This man is a natural talent. With or without steroids. There are people in life that have made little or nothing of themselves. They have to slander others to feel there own self worth.
Those people and there personal life should be made public. From bad credit to divorce to cheating on there spouce. These public trash talkers should be made public. I hope Roger sues everyone involved. The man is a legend in baseball on his own merrit. Just a thought.

Easy

Hook Up To A Lie Machine..
And Be Done With It..

To me I thought he probably did it even before all of this. To me it was hard to fathom an "old" guy performing the way he did at his age. I also though his jaw had the "look" of an HGH user. genetices maybe? who knows, not me.

Let's keep in mind though, you do not have to be a muscle bound roid rager if you use the stuff. You can be using it to heal from injury OR just from your day to day grind. Fair? Not my place to say.

Another thing to consider, Clemens was facing batters that were definately on the juice, and we all have a good idea who they are. So, did he really have an advantage?

Last but not least, I could care less anymore about pro athletes and what they do. They are not held to a higher moral standard in my eyes.

I mean, the difference in a 10 million dollar contract and being in the minors "could" be going on the juice or not. Not an easy decision in my opinion, especially these days.

I just go through life expecting that ALL pro athletes use something. But as mentioned to me, I don;t care.

Take the big$$$ out of sports and this will go away...

p.s. Bud Selig is an ablosute moron. I liked the press conf he gave on the Mitchell report stating he "didn't read it but was briefed on it"......dumb, dumb.

Does he really owe to the public any explanation? If so why? Please explain how this will benifit the baseball community.

Does he really owe to the public any explanation? If so why? Please explain how this will benifit the baseball community.


it won't
but it clear his name..
that means alot to some people//

Then we'll hear he cheated and threw the test a curve ball. Lol! Polygraph test are inaccurate. His word she be good enough.

Then we'll hear he cheated and threw the test a curve ball. Lol! Polygraph test are inaccurate. His word she be good enough.


true,
but,,

really who cares..
it's like the movie stars with plastic everything..
no one cares...
it's just someone on a headhunting mission..
bet the mitchal report came to being.. because ,some people in high places didn't grease his hand...

remember this report came from a cangress man...

Taz, I bet your right. Roger should have donated to someone's campaign. His name could have been left out of the witch hunt. Congress man equals CON MAN. Which equals liar.
You really have to love the elected officials. Mr. Mitchell would not mislead the public. Never heard of the guy till now.

Let see, every scout or GM that looked at Clemens after the 96 season said he was done. He got older and got better after that. Suspicious at the least.
He claims to take shots for b12 pain killers, eats other pills like candy, yet he would NEVER take steroids of HGH? hmmm, don't believe that.

The guy that said he took it said the same thing about another player who admitted he did. Why would he lie about just one player and not more?

Just as Marion Jones claimed year after year she never took anything doesn't mean just because you deny you didn't do it. Some of the things Clemsn took were and are known things to make sure certain drugs won't show up in any test.

Mitchell did not publish this info without very very good cause, he surely had more than just the word of this one guy, otherwise there would have been a hundred more names on that list.

What the trainer said was that Clemens didn't take this stuff all year long, he toook it late in the year, basically after the all-star break. You know the time of the season when players pains and tiredness sets in. He did it to boost his performance late in the season.

I know there ae people that want to believe him, but I won't for a second doubt what a very respected former state senator put in his report till I see a reason to doubt what was there.

Dewayne you've mad some valid points. B12 will only help raise your immunity and food hunger. It will not kill pain. Hgh with out the use of high dosage steroids is useless by itself. It would have to be cycled for long periods of time to produce super human skill and strength. lol.. The 7 times clemens recieved the Cy young award must be, do to anabolic steroids. No one has that kind of talent. The over the top contracts that were paid from different teams were to reward his over the hill talent. This information is from a man in federal trouble trying to find day light. It happens to make a good story and a way for the well respected former state senator to place another feather in his cap. This story will soon go away. So Mr Mitchell and his political party won't have egg on there face. Innocent till proven guilty. Thanks

My thoughts.... what's happened has happened, you can't change the past, there's a lot of others that have done it and haven't been caught and aren't being scrutinized.
Move on and keep it from continuing:yes:

I agree Sebert. who are we to judge! Baseball needs a strong checks and balance for the use of steroids in the sport. At the begining,middle and end of the season.

what Roger Clemens has done in his personal life has nothing to do with baseball. It is a sport that he has excelled in his whole life. I'm sure the man was'nt taking these muscle inhancing drugs in high school, in which his ability lead to a scholarship in college. And from college to the pro's... This man is a natural talent. With or without steroids. There are people in life that have made little or nothing of themselves. They have to slander others to feel there own self worth.
Those people and there personal life should be made public. From bad credit to divorce to cheating on there spouce. These public trash talkers should be made public. I hope Roger sues everyone involved. The man is a legend in baseball on his own merrit.

I agree,

And I think the exact same thing can be said of Barry Bonds...

as for Roger and most of the others:
1) Did they KNOW they were taking "steroids"? These guys hire professional trainers, because they themselves don't know what is best. Naturally, the trainers are going to want the player feel like they are valuable, like there creams and workouts do help, or else they're out of a job.

2) were they taking something banned at the time? Did they even think anything they were taking was unethical/illegal/potentially banned? I think with random testing (even a few years ago, most of these guys would not want to risk getting caught, so If a trainer says he has something thats is okay but will provide results, and the trainer is someone the player trusts, then why would they risk their good name???

3) Did they EVER fail a steroid test?[/B]


I don't care if it IS the Natioal Past-time, Congress shouldn't be wasting tax-payers money and time on "investigating" these allegations of past abuses with absolutely NO evidence... The Jury pool has already ben tainted by all the media reports, and its just one person's word versus another's...

I think he did.
When he was here in Toronto his first year began quite poorly. I even wondered why we signed him as his #'s were moving south in Boston. He got exponentially better that year as it went on. He won a Cy Young. He started getting better from the time the trainer said he started injecting. Coincidense?
Also, why is he not willing to take a lie detector test.Why did Andy Petite agree to exactly what the trainer accused him of.
Why was Clemens always so angry,,,,competative is one thing, his attitude was something else....steroids cause rage.
In the end even with Clemens lieing, I would bet his Lawyers are telling him that it will be his word against Mcnamara's (spelling?) and to stick to it.
It will be interesting to see if Canseco says something about Clemens in his new book being released on opening day. Who else knows something. Clemens probably told almost no one.
In the end I hope the real truth comes out somehow. Imagine if they prove he's lieing. Yikes.
Steroids have put a real black cloud over baseball. Borderline draft picks got screwed by steroid cheating a...oles.
Thanx for letting me vent.

If he did, and the urinalysis came back negative or he was never tested...HE'S INNOCENT.

this hole era to me has been tarnished by roids and hgh. Here's my beef with it. Youve got these guys that are hitting a monster amount of hr's. Who's on it and who' not. The era in a way might have saved baseball due to a lack of intrest and the nasty strike shortened season, but here are the true losers due to numbers that are no longer considered great. Jim Rice, Dave Parker, Andrea Dawson, and Allan Trammell.And thats just to name a few.Maybe in the future we will see less 1st time hall of famers and more of the guys who have been out of the game for 15 or 20 years get in. Of course now were talking about the cocaine era. How about Pete Rose. He doesnt look so bad now.

interesting interview on 60 min.. i dont want to believe he took them, but the way it sounds, the trainer didnt have any real good reason to "rat" clemens out. unless there was some bad blood between them or somethin idk?? but at the same time, clemens sure held strong and handled himself well and i dont know what else you can do if ur being accused of something you didnt do, besides saying you didnt do it! clemens also brought up an interesting statement referring to how things are getting to be "guilty until proven innocent"