: 69 300 Deluxe sheet under seat
RixLS6 Jan 7th, 08, 3:19 PM I recently bought a 69 Chevelle 2 door post sedan with 67K original miles. It's titled in the grandsons name of the original owner.
I found a hand written paper under the rear seat, but no build sheet yet. I wonder what the circled "16" and the "168" mean that are on it. I know the 751 is for the interior code, but what does the "A" mean that's after it?
Plans are to make it a 427 and 4-speed, but leave the exterior emblems as is and just fix the front seat as it is original. One section of floor needs replacing and both rear quarters need patching.
Just thought I'd share. Whatcha think?
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Don_Lightfoot Jan 7th, 08, 3:34 PM Hi Rick. Good to see you "getting into" your new ride :)
I can't off hand think what the 168 and 16 would refer to. Initially I thought the 168 might refer to the Julianne calendar, but the third week of January isn't day 168.
I'm wondering if the "A" might be to indicate to the line workers to put in rubber flooring rather than carpet :confused:
Do you know if the left fender and emblem are original to the car? The reason I ask is the 250 L6 emblem on a V8 model (13427).
As mentioned previously, keep me updated on your progress Rick.
forcd ind Jan 7th, 08, 6:24 PM i have a 69 300 sd delux, and i didnt find any build sh, but it did have the key punch card under the seat, which was used for the trim i think, because some of the #'s on it match yours
the 751 is prob your int color, 52 your paint
after the 69 on your cowl tag, mine has the same 13427, which on the punch card is under "style" (i think thats what it says) below i tried to show how it reads on the card-some of it was blanked out by the rust on the springs
mine was a 230 6 cyl w/pg, just a plain marker light on the front fender, no desig
i think i agree maybe the A was for a floor mat
seq-trim / body-no
131901 14189
/ insp. seq. no. / c
???? 715 4 or(a)
/ options / style / trim
a52 13427 760
RixLS6 Jan 7th, 08, 6:46 PM Don,
The engine emblems are original. The VIN of the car starts 13327K, yet the cowl tag is 13427. Go figure. :confused:Wonder if any other 69 Post Sedans have this discrepancy between VIN and cowl tag.
forcd ind,
Can I get a picture of your punch card? What assembly plant is yours from?
Here's a pic of the dated floor mat. The circle has 68 in it. To the side of that (not in picture) is Uniroyal.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Rixls6/69Chevelle300Deluxe031.jpg
300Deluxe Jan 7th, 08, 6:54 PM Very cool ride! I like seeing post cars being restored rather than parted out.
Don_Lightfoot Jan 7th, 08, 7:43 PM Some cool information there Rick.
There has definitely been some examples of the model number being different between VIN tag and Cowl tag. Not a big deal for this car, but if it was an SS then the "lightbulbs" would go off ;) ;)
I am not an expeert, but it appears that is the original Cowl tag with correct rivets. Does your VIN fall into the numbers 374065-393881? That is the January production sequence for Kansas City.
Thanks very much for posting the picture of the numbers on the rubber mat. I have learned something from this. The "year" in the circle obviously relates to the calendar year of production of the mat (not model year of the car) as this car is a January, 1969 built car and obviously used a mat produced in 1968. Mine is a March 1969 car and it has "69" in that same area (picture below).
Interesting stuff :thumbsup:
greg5436 Jan 7th, 08, 8:42 PM rick bezel is on the way. all of my 6cyl. 300 have a 13327 VIN and 13427 cowl tag.i have seen that on every 6 cyl. 300 sedan.do you already have a 427 and 4-speed for it.also let me know what interior pieces you need.i am on my last 300 for awhile. greg
RixLS6 Jan 7th, 08, 9:25 PM Don,
The VIN does fall between those numbers you posted for January KC built cars. I am positive this is the original cowl tag as everything matches it's info.
It looks like your rubber mat has a different manufacturers name than Uniroyal. What does it say?
Greg,
Thanks for the bezel and the info about the model number discrepancy. I'm looking for a late 68 dated 427, got one? I could also use the right rear interior trim panel as mine has some minor warping down low.
Here's a pic of the original seat cover from the inside. It has the model number (13427) and trim (751) number. I don't know what the W51 is about. Click to enlarge.
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DaleM Jan 7th, 08, 10:52 PM Don,
The engine emblems are original. The VIN of the car starts 13327K, yet the cowl tag is 13427. Go figure. :confused:Wonder if any other 69 Post Sedans have this discrepancy between VIN and cowl tag.A common misconception that the style number on the trim tag has something to do with the engine type depicted on the VIN, such as indicating a V8 or L6 engine. The two have no relationship as far as the engine type/size goes.
I have quite a few examples of even trim tags and odd VINs; not uncommon at all. Although it's more prevelant in 300 & 300 Deluxe series I have several Malibus as well; even one 13837 65 Malibu SS trim tag with a 13737 VIN. I admit I've never seen it reversed however, an odd trim tag and even VIN. :)
Just speculation, but I'd almost bet the -A on the handwritten note is an 'old habit' carryover by the person that wrote it. Beginning in 1966 and extending through the 1968 model year, the -A and -B was used at KC (as well as a couple of other plants) to differentiate between bench (-A) and bucket (-B) seats even though their 3-digit trim codes were different between the two seat types.
The other two numbers, 168 and 16, could be just about anything. Could be an ID number of the guy making the seat and the inspector's ID number to the number of seats that station has put together that shift and the builder's ID. Possibilites are endless. :D
Looks like a pretty solid car, congrats on finding it and bringing it back to life. :thumbsup:
Don_Lightfoot Jan 7th, 08, 11:33 PM Don, it looks like your rubber mat has a different manufacturers name than Uniroyal. What does it say?
To be honest Rick I don't know. I was just doing some cleaning under the seat last fall and felt these numbers. I have not had the seat out in the seven years I've owned the car and thus didn't even know the numbers were there. The best I could do was stick my digital camera in there on "macro" and take some shots. Almost looks like an "O" and "R" or a "D" and "R" followed by a "C" or "G" or the "copyright" insignia :confused:
Maybe in the spring I can get a closer look.
By the way, Dale and Greg have provided some sensible information above.
forcd ind Jan 8th, 08, 7:07 AM i will try and copy the card, but i think its to faded to show up-i will picture the cowl tag
i need the rocker molding (goes on the rocker panels) and need to find if anyone make interior panels-mine had a bent frame, pushed the l/f fender into the cowl, d/s door-i replaced the frame, pulled the cowl out, trying to save the door, they are rust free and dont grow on trees
i am putting a gen 3 with a procharger in mine, but keeping the rest stock looking
RixLS6 Jan 8th, 08, 7:49 AM Dale,
Thanks for the input. Your idea about the "A" after the interior code makes sense to me.
The guy was doing that job for so long, he just couldn't break an old habit.
Like you said, the 16 and 168 could be just about anything.
Don,
Here's a pic of the manufacturers name of my rubber mat.
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forcd ind,
Definitely try to save the door. Pretty tough to find a clean replacement, or any for that matter. Post some pics.
I could use the rocker molding also, as mine are corroded through in a couple spots.
Don_Lightfoot Jan 8th, 08, 9:49 AM Rick, I want to re-visit the particulars of that seatcover.
Maybe Greg or somebody else can correct me here, but I would think the seatcover would be the same for models 13327, 13427, 13337 & 13437 since they are all two door models. I can understand the 751 being specifically identified on the cover as it refers to colour and fabric type, but why the model number? Could the Red numbers have been sprayed "after" it was known what car the cover was going in?
My senile brain is having a hard time coping with this :clonk: ;)
RixLS6 Jan 8th, 08, 10:35 AM Don,
I think they just used the 13427 to cover all the bases for all the 2 door 300 Deluxe Chevelles. Like you said they would all get the same seat if they had that interior code. JMO.
I did find the brand name ink stamped also. Remember Naugahyde?:D See pic
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DaleM Jan 8th, 08, 11:13 AM I haven't heard a reference to Naugahyde is quite a number of years. Was that a brand name that just morphed into the public domain like 'Coke', 'Kleenex', or 'Xerox' for any pseudo-leather product?
RixLS6 Jan 8th, 08, 12:50 PM I think that is what happened Dale. One company comes up with a name, and everybody jumped on the bandwagon far as name recognition.
I remember the term being tossed around pretty loosely years ago to descibe the latest upholstery, at least for their time.
70 Gold Nugget Jan 8th, 08, 1:13 PM You guys are right about the term Naugahyde...many people use the word as a generic reference to vinyl...Naugahyde is actually a brand and the company is still with us today...the vinyl made nowadays is not the same as the old days however...back then it was good strong stuff...nowadays it is still fair but it is just not the same anymore...I can buy Naugahyde vinyls from the furniture upholstery shop in my town as that is the brand they carry but I buy most of my vinyl from the car upholstery supply place and the brand they carry is called Mellohyde...
All of the old original car seats that I have worked on whether they were Chevy Ford or whatever always had Naugahyde...
DaleM Jan 8th, 08, 2:03 PM I recall old jokes about how many Nauga's had to die to make a sofa. :D
Don_Lightfoot Jan 8th, 08, 2:51 PM Don,
I think they just used the 13427 to cover all the bases for all the 2 door 300 Deluxe Chevelles. Like you said they would all get the same seat if they had that interior code. JMO.
Could be :confused:
dyno jonn Jan 8th, 08, 5:44 PM Naugahyde was originally another product of Uni, Roy and Al. Uniroyal. :D
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