If a man stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

I believe I would be at this point.

If a man stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

I believe I would be at this point.

:yes: :D

Not only is he wrong, he is also to blame.
Kevin

If a man stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

I believe I would be at this point.

If a woman stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no man there to hear her, is she still nagging?

Mark,
Nice Camaro, I'd like to offer you one years free indoor heated storage. Ya just need to leave the keys so I can drive it to shows.
Kevin

If a woman stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no man there to hear her, is she still nagging?

Do they do anything else?:D

What I went thru this past June, (you know what I mean Andy)

"How long until we get to Memphis?"
"Could this car get any hotter?"
"Did you forget to put an exhaust on this thing?"
"How much oil could possibly come out of the engine?
"How did you forget to put gas in the car before going to Nashville SuperSpeedway?"
"Why did you lock it when the keys are still in the ignition?"

nag, nag, nag

:D:D:D

jeff

"How did you forget to put gas in the car before going to Nashville SuperSpeedway?"

even I heard about that one, over and over and over :D

even I heard about that one, over and over and over :D

At least you didn't have to hear "How much gas do we have?" evey 3 minutes for the entire 10 hour drive home!!!:D

Jeff

Mark,
Nice Camaro, I'd like to offer you one years free indoor heated storage. Ya just need to leave the keys so I can drive it to shows.
Kevin
Kevin:

Thanks for the kind words. I may take you up on that but I'm afraid I would have to disassemble the car first. :p

If a woman stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no man there to hear her, is she still nagging?

Do they do anything else?:D



We're not all like that, you know.

If a bunch of OLD MEN were in a thread passive-aggressively complaining about women..would they still be "nagging" just as much as the "women"?

:D

If a man stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

I just asked my wife... she said... Yes:yes:

Not only is he wrong and to blame but 10 years later she'll still remember and bring it up again.

If a bunch of OLD MEN were in a thread passive-aggressively complaining about women..would they still be "nagging" just as much as the "women"?

:D

You'll be 24 in a few days if i recall correctly, I'm not much older than you, I can count the diffrence using just my fingers;)

Jeff

You'll be 24 in a few days if i recall correctly, I'm not much older than you, I can count the diffrence using just my fingers;)

Jeff

Well then Jeffrey....there's hope for you yet..but the rest....you know what they say..you can't teach and old dog new tricks:p...and you were still clucking away like the rest of the old hens

and yup yup..the bday is in a few days...sadly I close the shop that night..which means I'll be stuck there until about 1am..meh.

by the by....you can use the same 5 fingers over and over..so technically you can be about 60:D and I'd never know....grandpa.

Well then Jeffrey....there's hope for you yet..but the rest....you know what they say..you can't teach and old dog new tricks:p...and you were still clucking away like the rest of the old hens

and yup yup..the bday is in a few days...sadly I close the shop that night..which means I'll be stuck there until about 1am..meh.

by the by....you can use the same 5 fingers over and over..so technically you can be about 60:D and I'd never know....grandpa.

I've got socks older than you

I've got socks older than you

EEEEH *cringes*

If a bunch of OLD MEN were in a thread passive-aggressively complaining about women..would they still be "nagging" just as much as the "women"?

:D

Old no, complain about women...sure whynot :). Women are evil and I will mathematically prove it...

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:yes:

That pic looks like a Frenchman after the Germans marched into Paris :D.

Wow did this thread ever go awry. :noway: How did we get all the way to French "soldiers" after the invasion? Talk about ADD (attention deficit disorder).

Wow did this thread ever go awry. :noway:

It's all good and fun:thumbsup: I don't think anyone is really serious;)

Ive asked my wife this question, Her response is look between your legs, If you have a Penis you are wrong. end of discussion!!!

Ive asked my wife this question, Her response is look between your legs, If you have a Penis you are wrong. end of discussion!!!

And if the man were in the woods alone, there would be no woman to make a remark like that which in turn lowers the man's self esteem and sends him into state of depression which in turn causes him to lose all hope and sell his Chevelle......take that :D.

And if the man were in the woods alone, there would be no woman to make a remark like that which in turn lowers the man's self esteem and sends him into state of depression which in turn causes him to lose all hope and sell his Chevelle......take that :D.

Celibacy will make you do the same crazy thing..make your choice:thumbsup:

If she's splitting wood, she won't be able to hear him.

If I were out in the woods, I wouldn't be talking, I'd be camping, fishing, and drinking beer.

How did we get all the way to French "soldiers" after the invasion?

French "soldiers"...I believe that is an oxymoron :D. You actually have to FIGHT for your country to be a soldier, not throw up a white flag and surrender like the bunch of cowards they are ;).

I would be blamed for tracking in all that mud into the woods.

It's all good and fun:thumbsup: I don't think anyone is really serious;)

Being only 24 I don't believe you have a firm grasp of the reality of which the others speak. The proverbial man and women are not just any man and women. They are husband and wife or at least a couple that have been together for an extended period of time. Only after you have experienced this type of extended relationship will the following truths become self-evident.

1. If a man expresses his opinion it's presumed he is wrong.

2. If a man expresses no opinion he is automatically wrong for not speaking up.

3. If a women expresses an opinion she's right, man's opinion is irrelevant.

4. If a women expresses no opinion or desire then the man will most certainly be wrong for not knowing what the women's unspoken opinion or desire was.

5. Once a man is wrong, based on one of the 4 preceding truths, or for any number of other reasons, that wrong goes on the official list of wrongs, screw-ups and mistakes.

6. Anything that goes on the official list of wrongs, screw-ups and mistakes is never removed regardless of how much time has passed since the transgression occurred.

7. Anything on the official list of wrongs, screw-ups and mistakes is fair game to be used as ammunition whenever a disagreement occurs, which usually immediately follows the commission of another wrong, screw-up or mistake. It's relevance to the current disagreement is irrelevant.

8. Use of a wrong, screw-up or mistake as ammunition does not remove it from the official and does not reduce it's usefulness in future altercations. Once on the list it's effectiveness as ammunition is a constant. Refer to truth #7, relevance to the current disagreement has also has no bearing on it's effectiveness as ammunition.

9. The man has little if any chance at all of understanding what he did to cause another item to be added to the official list. Man mistakenly assumes that eventually he'll understand the women and figure out what he is doing wrong. He'll never understand.

10. The man is wrong.

Being only 24 I don't believe you have a firm grasp of the reality of which the others speak. The proverbial man and women are not just any man and women. They are husband and wife or at least a couple that have been together for an extended period of time. Only after you have experienced this type of extended relationship will the following truths become self-evident.

1. If a man expresses his opinion it's presumed he is wrong.

2. If a man expresses no opinion he is automatically wrong for not speaking up.

3. If a women expresses an opinion she's right, man's opinion is irrelevant.

4. If a women expresses no opinion or desire then the man will most certainly be wrong for not knowing what the women's unspoken opinion or desire was.

5. Once a man is wrong, based on one of the 4 preceding truths, or for any number of other reasons, that wrong goes on the official list of wrongs, screw-ups and mistakes.

6. Anything that goes on the official list of wrongs, screw-ups and mistakes is never removed regardless of how much time has passed since the transgression occurred.

7. Anything on the official list of wrongs, screw-ups and mistakes is fair game to be used as ammunition whenever a disagreement occurs, which usually immediately follows the commission of another wrong, screw-up or mistake. It's relevance to the current disagreement is irrelevant.

8. Use of a wrong, screw-up or mistake as ammunition does not remove it from the official and does not reduce it's usefulness in future altercations. Once on the list it's effectiveness as ammunition is a constant. Refer to truth #7, relevance to the current disagreement has also has no bearing on it's effectiveness as ammunition.

9. The man has little if any chance at all of understanding what he did to cause another item to be added to the official list. Man mistakenly assumes that eventually he'll understand the women and figure out what he is doing wrong. He'll never understand.

10. The man is wrong.

11. and if you TRULY feel this way, then you are assuming ALL relationships follow in the same manner as yours have and ALL women nag and blame men...you are SEXIST

12. Assuming that my age is a valid indicator that I'm completely clueless to the things going on around me (watching other relationships) and that since I'm 24 there is NO possible way I have ever been in a long term relationship, maybe not as long as some of you gents, all of this means there is NO possible why I could have ANY concept or opinion of how relationships work...I do believe that is AGEIST :)

I'm not trying to say that at 24 I have a great grasp on everything going on in the world, however I have seen healthy relationship and relationships where the women weren't nagging and the men weren't complaining that she was. Please keep in mind that when you are with ANYONE consistently for a LONG period of time (something someone of 24 could know NOTHING about) there will always be bickering/"nagging" from BOTH parties. It's always easier to put the blame on another :thumbsup:

HOWEVER, Contrary to what you MAY or MAY NOT believe I'm not completely clueless and not all women nag. I mean if you look at it...ALL people "nag"..look at this thread for instance, the stereotype of the woman being the nagger makes it SO much easier to put the ENTIRE blame on women.
:thumbsup:
I'm done with this thread.

You should really attempt to base your judgments on something more than stereotypes and your own PERSONAL opinion.

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Does that count as nagging?

...I'm done with this thread.

You should really attempt to base your judgments on something more than stereotypes and your own PERSONAL opinion.

You're really taking this stuff seriously for someone who previously posted this "...It's all good and fun I don't think anyone is really serious..."

BTW, I've been married 29yrs. We've raised 2 children and put them both through college. I think my wife and I have a pretty good relationship and we're good friends. That doesn't mean we never disagree but.... nevermind. The thread was meant to be humorous right from the start, if you can't grasp that there's nothing more to say.

Being serious for a minute;
After being married over 50 years, I can testify that ALL women don't nag.
(well maybe she did in the first couple of months but we soon got that settled) :D

Now Dean, you're going to mess up the whole thread by getting serious.:p

Now Dean, you're going to mess up the whole thread by getting serious.:p
"only for a minute" :D

back to the regularly secheduled program -->

Ahh... that's better!

We're not all like that, you know.

Oh c'mon....women don't sit around and talk junk about their husbands all day? ;)

11. and if you TRULY feel this way, then you are assuming ALL relationships follow in the same manner as yours have and ALL women nag and blame men...you are SEXIST

12. Assuming that my age is a valid indicator that I'm completely clueless to the things going on around me (watching other relationships) and that since I'm 24 there is NO possible way I have ever been in a long term relationship, maybe not as long as some of you gents, all of this means there is NO possible why I could have ANY concept or opinion of how relationships work...I do believe that is AGEIST :)

I'm not trying to say that at 24 I have a great grasp on everything going on in the world, however I have seen healthy relationship and relationships where the women weren't nagging and the men weren't complaining that she was. Please keep in mind that when you are with ANYONE consistently for a LONG period of time (something someone of 24 could know NOTHING about) there will always be bickering/"nagging" from BOTH parties. It's always easier to put the blame on another :thumbsup:

HOWEVER, Contrary to what you MAY or MAY NOT believe I'm not completely clueless and not all women nag. I mean if you look at it...ALL people "nag"..look at this thread for instance, the stereotype of the woman being the nagger makes it SO much easier to put the ENTIRE blame on women.
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I'm done with this thread.

You should really attempt to base your judgments on something more than stereotypes and your own PERSONAL opinion.

quit nagging :p

ya'll are missing the point.
WHY did he open his mouth in the first place?
shhheeesssh.
take something simple and muck it all up. men. :D
rachael anne :waving:

If a bunch of OLD MEN were in a thread passive-aggressively complaining about women..would they still be "nagging" just as much as the "women"?

:D

Being seven years younger than you does that still make me an old man? :confused:

Being seven years younger than you does that still make me an old man? :confused:

I'm younger too....4 years to be exact.

Oh c'mon....women don't sit around and talk junk about their husbands all day? ;)
Not if they have any class, and not if you don't give them any real reasons to sit around a talk junk about you.

And oh, ditto for men.

Not if they have any class, and not if you don't give them any real reasons to sit around a talk junk about you.

And oh, ditto for men.

i guess you didn't catch the ;)

Ah, sorry Jay, I didn't.

But. It does happen, doesn't it? Women - displeased with their significant other, men - displeased with their significant other, sit around and complain to their friends. IMO, I find that without class and have to believe it is counter productive. Perhaps spending more time actually communicating, effectively, with the SigO would yield a more positive return on one's time.

Wow some people seriously don't know how to read a funny thread for what it is!!!!!

Jeff

quit nagging :p

I have officially quit the nagging process :thumbsup:

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Does that count as nagging?

Or stating a valid point :cool:

You're really taking this stuff seriously for someone who previously posted this "...It's all good and fun I don't think anyone is really serious..."

BTW, I've been married 29yrs. We've raised 2 children and put them both through college. I think my wife and I have a pretty good relationship and we're good friends. That doesn't mean we never disagree but.... nevermind. The thread was meant to be humorous right from the start, if you can't grasp that there's nothing more to say.

I'm not ALL that serious and I'm sure about 95% of the people that posted weren't entirely serious...it's that you posted what you did to the comment I made about "good and fun..." and your words had an extremely condescending undertone to them.
you could have been screwing around..though it didn't come off that way..however..this is a horrible form of communication and some people come off serious when they aren't..I happen to be one of them...when typing the chances of miscommunication are remarkably higher than other times b/c we don't have the chance to see nonverbal (facial expressions and hand gestures) along with verbal (voice fluctuations and tone) forms of communication. I suppose assuming that he was serious wasn't the best way to go about things.

So if indeed you WEREN'T serious, I apologize for the miscommunication the but i don't apologize for what I said :)

Being seven years younger than you does that still make me an old man? :confused:

Indeed..you are GUILTY:D...gramps :p

I'm not ALL that serious and I'm sure about 95% of the people that posted weren't entirely serious...it's that you posted what you did to the comment I made about "good and fun..." and your words had an extremely condescending undertone to them.
you could have been screwing around..though it didn't come off that way..however..this is a horrible form of communication and some people come off serious when they aren't..I happen to be one of them...when typing the chances of miscommunication are remarkably higher than other times b/c we don't have the chance to see nonverbal (facial expressions and hand gestures) along with verbal (voice fluctuations and tone) forms of communication. I suppose assuming that he was serious wasn't the best way to go about things.

So if indeed you WEREN'T serious, I apologize for the miscommunication the but i don't apologize for what I said :)

Not serious, I guess I grabbed the wrong reply from you to quote. I can see now how you may have interpreted that. I picked one of your replies, wrong one I guess, because you said you were only 24. I was just having fun with you. No problem and I'm not serious. My wife emails me jokes like that and the stereotypical jokes about men as well. If we can't laugh, especially at ourselves, then we've gotten way too serious.

I still think my women = evil equation is cool....and correct :D :D :D.

Okay y'all. Can we start singing Kumbaya again? Don't make me go Rodney King on you and say "Can't we all just get along?" :D

Everybody to a neutral corner and take a mandatory 8 count.

I'll say it again, Wow! I seem to have unearthed an unusual talent of getting everyone riled up with a seemingly innocuous, inocuous, innoc...uh, harmless posting. If I can aggravate a situation that easily maybe I have a career in talk radio or TV! Glenn Beck's got nothing on me! :p

If a bunch of OLD MEN were in a thread passive-aggressively complaining about women..would they still be "nagging" just as much as the "women"?

:D

heheheheheh:D:thumbsup:

Ah, sorry Jay, I didn't.

But. It does happen, doesn't it? Women - displeased with their significant other, men - displeased with their significant other, sit around and complain to their friends. IMO, I find that without class and have to believe it is counter productive. Perhaps spending more time actually communicating, effectively, with the SigO would yield a more positive return on one's time.

No apology needed! You speak the truth. It's hard to tell someone tone of voice over the interweb isn't it :)

And if the man were in the woods alone, there would be no woman to make a remark like that which in turn lowers the man's self esteem and sends him into state of depression which in turn causes him to lose all hope and sell his Chevelle......take that :D.

Tom

your one sick puppy

I love it when my wife is not around it means i can focus more on the Chevelle! :yes: with out HHHHOOOONNNNEEEYYY can you please come here a second :mad: I love her but ............

Oh c'mon....women don't sit around and talk junk about their husbands all day? ;)

I do not where you are but
I work in a building that is about 80 % women
you would not believe some of the stuff I hear :sad:

I'm not ALL that serious and I'm sure about 95% of the people that posted weren't entirely serious...it's that you posted what you did to the comment I made about "good and fun..." and your words had an extremely condescending undertone to them.
you could have been screwing around..though it didn't come off that way..however..this is a horrible form of communication and some people come off serious when they aren't..I happen to be one of them...when typing the chances of miscommunication are remarkably higher than other times b/c we don't have the chance to see nonverbal (facial expressions and hand gestures) along with verbal (voice fluctuations and tone) forms of communication. I suppose assuming that he was serious wasn't the best way to go about things.

So if indeed you WEREN'T serious, I apologize for the miscommunication the but i don't apologize for what I said :)

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

now children !!!

"You say poor Tobby I say poor us" Bull in movie gone in 60 seconds hehehehe

Being serious for a minute;
After being married over 50 years, I can testify that ALL women don't nag.:D

No, I'm pretty sure they all do it. I pretty sure shopping and nagging is in the estrogen they have. Thats why god gave us selective hearing and garages.

We're not all like that, you know. No, but you are one of the rare ones if you're not like that. Most of them are so quick to nag, and correct men, but are too proud and emotionally insecure to receive even the slightest constructive criticism, or correction from any man. They always....... oh, let me stop before I get on a roll...nevermind. It isn't worth it. BTW, I meant no offense. I did meet a woman once a long time ago who was an exception to that rule. I was just was speaking from past experience. Including recent past.:D

Just pretend you don't hear them and take a nap.Works every time.

Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right, and the other is . . . . a husband.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/GoodStuff305.jpg

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/GoodStuff305.jpgYeah, but most of all he lived in peace, and with alot less stress. ;)

Yeah, but most of all he lived in peace, and with alot less stress.
And a lot more money.

And a lot more money. Maybe, maybe not. I happen to be single, and all the married people I know are always thinking that I have more money than them just because I'm not married, but I always tell them that this isn't the case. They have two paychecks coming in their houshold as oppossed to my one paycheck. Furthermore, i have to pay more income tax merely because I am single, and I also have to pay greater car insurance premiums, again only because I am single.

The big difference is, that the money that I do have, can be spent in whatever way that I choose, and w/out me having to be concerned with a controlling woman wanting me to explain my justification for spending my earnings the way that I care to. In some ways that's good, and in some ways it's bad. There are trade-offs.

justification thats easy i spent over 5,000 on my engine and little parts for the chevelle since sept 11 and i didnt buy her a ring yet for xmas, i justified spending the money on the car by saying that well when we have kids dont you want them to be in a safe car that wont break down she didnt like that. she said you drive a lexus how can that not be a safe car, so anyone want a lexus i need to buy me some parts for my chevelle lol

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/GoodStuff305.jpg


Cripes, where was this a few years ago??? I coulda learned something.

If a man stands in a forest and speaks, and there is no woman there to hear him, is he still wrong?

I believe I would be at this point.

Woudln't that be hypothetically speaking. :p

Woudln't that be hypothetically speaking. :p

Is that a rhetorical question?:D

Woudln't that be hypothetically speaking. :p
Technically it's both. Look em up. :D Of course it also depends on the circumstances which led one to ask such a question. :mad:

Is that a rhetorical question?:D

The answer to that is:

Technically it's both. Look em up. :D Of course it also depends on the circumstances which led one to ask such a question. :mad:



The answer to that is:


Why the angry face? :(

Maybe, maybe not. I happen to be single, and all the married people I know are always thinking that I have more money than them just because I'm not married, but I always tell them that this isn't the case. They have two paychecks coming in their houshold as oppossed to my one paycheck. Furthermore, i have to pay more income tax merely because I am single, and I also have to pay greater car insurance premiums, again only because I am single.

The big difference is, that the money that I do have, can be spent in whatever way that I choose, and w/out me having to be concerned with a controlling woman wanting me to explain my justification for spending my earnings the way that I care to. In some ways that's good, and in some ways it's bad. There are trade-offs.

I agree. Being in the under 30 category and single, I get rocked for car insurance (I have 2 vehicles insured as daily drivers). I have 3 muscle cars insured, but I don't really concern myself with that bill since it's only once a year. I get rocked by the feds on taxes since I'm single, and live at home with the parental units, IE I have no deductions.
On the other hand, what money I do bank, I spend however I want, whenever I want. That's why I can go to 5 long distance Chevelle shows every year, build one muscle car after another. Aside from the fact I'd like to be making a little more coin, I'm content with my single status.

Why the angry face? :(
The angry face is because of the circumstances that led me to ask the question in the first place. I expressed an opinion to my wife and for the umteenth time she started out with the words "no, you're wrong". I finally had enough.

I agree. Being in the under 30 category and single, I get rocked for car insurance (I have 2 vehicles insured as daily drivers). I have 3 muscle cars insured, but I don't really concern myself with that bill since it's only once a year. I get rocked by the feds on taxes since I'm single, and live at home with the parental units, IE I have no deductions.
On the other hand, what money I do bank, I spend however I want, whenever I want. That's why I can go to 5 long distance Chevelle shows every year, build one muscle car after another. Aside from the fact I'd like to be making a little more coin, I'm content with my single status. I hear ya Tom. I'm also single, but older than you (46) and with my own mortgage to pay. I have more freedom than many married guys do as a result, but there are trade-offs.

As far as the taxes and insurance, I still get hit harder than married guys do even though I'm middle aged and live on my own. As far as the insurance companies are concerned, guys will always have to pay higher premiums than woman, and single guys will always have to pay more than married guys regardless of their age. Why don't they just take a look at some women out their driving with their cell phones glued to their ears on a steady basis, and too busy to give their turn signals or pay enough attention to the road to even avoid drifting into someone else's lane. :rolleyes:

Why don't they just take a look at some women out their driving with their cell phones glued to their ears on a steady basis, and too busy to give their turn signals or pay enough attention to the road to even avoid drifting into someone else's lane. :rolleyes:

I'm glad someone else sees that. Seriously, I about have an anuerism everyday on my way to and from work because of that. This gives me an idea.....I'm going to start carrying my digital camera with me when traveling to and from worka nd start taking pics of said women driving in an unsafe manner :D.

But wouldn't taking picturews when your driving make you just as unsafe as them?

Hypocrite. :p

If I stand in a forest and speak, and a woman there speaks, it may or may not be nagging, but....I AM SURELY NOT WRONG. I should know, I took the time to think about what to say, therefore whether she thinks I'm wrong or not is irrelevant. I say she can live with it or go away.:D

What the heck are you guys thinking. When a guy goes to the forest, he brings rifles, rods, refreshing firmented beverages, retarded friends.... Stuff that don't talk back.



As far as broads go.
Yes, they are evil, spiteful, insecure, selfrighteous, manipulative and more.
Men can be all these things, as well.
The difference is, a man gets that way because he's mad or just plain mean. A woman get's that way just because.....

AMMUNITION.... Now that is right on the button. Our anatomy is different. Woman have there own little ammo box. Kept and carried around constantly, is every single conceived wrong that has ever been perpetrated upon them. At the flip of a switch, it all comes out and turns into spite. Unexplainably, it is perpetual, never diminishing.

How come a woman can remember a wrong number from the middle of the night 6 years ago...... but can't remember what day is garbage day. Just wonderin'.

I'm absolutely sure that if you go back 10,000 years, men and women lived in seperate caves. We are effectively, incompatible cohabitants.

But wouldn't taking picturews when your driving make you just as unsafe as them?

Hypocrite. :p

Nope, don't have to take my eyes off the road to push a button.

How come a woman can remember a wrong number from the middle of the night 6 years ago...... but can't remember what day is garbage day. Just wonderin'.

Because no woman has ever taken out the trash.
Kim

Oh yes she has, I've seen her do it....take out the trash that is.