I will start the smack talk first........
Darryl (FRYNCONDOM), if you go back to a small block I figure you might make a 9.90 pass at best. If you go BB you could be good for a 9.70.
Either way I plan on 9.30 so I will give you the handicap you will need to maybe beat me this year.
Honestly, I think there will be a limitation on your stock suspension and a 9.70 will be tough to make no matter what engine yo throw at the car.

BTW, better get your NHRA license. I would hate to race you and have them tell you no 9's. I will even be 1 of the 2 witnesses you will need.

:waving:

I think princess installed twin squirrel runs in her Jeep, and is planning to run 8's which is why she needs that new certified roll cage...

Watch out! The secret forumula is rabbid squirrels on Redbull!

I will start the smack talk first........
Darryl (FRYNCONDOM), if you go back to a small block I figure you might make a 9.90 pass at best. If you go BB you could be good for a 9.70.
Either way I plan on 9.30 so I will give you the handicap you will need to maybe beat me this year.
Honestly, I think there will be a limitation on your stock suspension and a 9.70 will be tough to make no matter what engine yo throw at the car.

BTW, better get your NHRA license. I would hate to race you and have them tell you no 9's. I will even be 1 of the 2 witnesses you will need.

:waving:




think you're right on the 9.90's with the el-cheapo 350, but I think I'll better 9.70's with the bb. I will need some gear change though, going 4.10's in the back. Should put my 140 MPH speeds a bit lower in the RPM where I want them with the BB. Thinking my 7500-7600 trap RPM's at 131 with the small block will work for one more outing so the 4..56's will stay for now.


I still need to make my car legal for 9's before I can try and get a licensed.

Oh ya,,,, keep in mind you thought I needed a head start last year!!!!!!!!! Who was watching who's back bumper ALL THE WAY DOWN THE TRACK!!!!!!! :D: :hurray:

Who was watching who's back bumper ALL THE WAY DOWN THE TRACK!!!!!!! :D: :hurray:

:confused: I dunno, maybe everyone in the pits? :confused:


;)

Who was watching who's back bumper ALL THE WAY DOWN THE TRACK!!!!!!! :D: :hurray:

Saw your bumper twice. Once when you did a BIG red light, next when your car was going into the trailer.
All I ask from you is to tell me how well my suspension is working when you are back there. :p

Darryl,

Jim has pretty much smacked you in the face with the gauntlet, classic public challenge. Maybe I need to make a parts run to SoCal so we can pump up the Welfare Nova. I think (FWIW) more cubes and less gear would be a positive step.....I'm not saying 427/432 cubes, I'm saying 496 or 500 minimum....

While not trying to steal Jim's thread...would also like to liven the threads up...
I would like to go on the record, new year resolution to run the RatVette.
Gunnin' for Ben...
1st attempt will likely be w/o headers......
2nd time, if needed, will be with headers...ya know, a before and after thing.
A Home-Brew/low-buck vs Crate engine Mega dollar rivalry.
At stake, a Trophy featuring a rubber Rat.

George, George, George... :D

Don't forget me! We'll have to find a rubber mouse trophy too!
My cat will love it.:yes:

would also like to liven the threads up...
I would like to go on the record, new year resolution to run the RatVette.
Gunnin' for Ben...
1st attempt will likely be w/o headers......
2nd time, if needed, will be with headers...ya know, a before and after thing.
A Home-Brew/low-buck vs Crate engine Mega dollar rivalry.
At stake, a Trophy featuring a rubber Rat.

:boring::boring::boring::boring:

Even though I went for a ride in the Vette, I'm beginning to think you borrowed it. When it shows up at the strip, I'll believe it. If I don't see it with my own eyes, I'll need some signed statements from at least 2 CERTIFIED (sober) witnessess that said you were there with the Vette. Its too easy to PHOTOSHOP................

George, George, George... :D

Don't forget me! We'll have to find a rubber mouse trophy too!
My cat will love it.:yes:
Funny, never thought of you as a CAT person....................................

Is there something you're not telling us?:eek:

My new year resolution is to stop talking smack....But I were to, this is what it would probably sound like...
A Darryl build what??? You still need to learn how to drive and what about the lack of traction???? NEXT
OH-Ya, another 468...:yes: I am not going to say a word about this one except "I'll see you at the tree"

But since I quit talking smack, I'll just sit back and listen...:D

George, in response you should post the picture of you sitting in RatVette with your lovely daughter next to you...

PS: At least Darryl's got "ho's" Especially the nasty blonde one in the middle.. :sad:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g34/Brettd85/Chevelle2.jpg

I can't wait to run at the track this summer, hopefully I dont move away for a job. :(

I would like to go on the record, new year resolution to run the RatVette.
Gunnin' for Ben...
1st attempt will likely be w/o headers......
2nd time, if needed, will be with headers...ya know, a before and after thing.
A Home-Brew/low-buck vs Crate engine Mega dollar rivalry.
At stake, a Trophy featuring a rubber Rat.

You know, i just saw that rubber rat again the other day and thought of you... I'll have to remember where i stuck it.... maybe have it out on display on the 12th to tempt you.

Just in the spirit of giving you every chance, i would even run you with my BFG's instead of my M/T stickies just to get that car out of the museum for an evening... ;)

As my remodeling plans & upcoming "big delivery" date in july get closer, my car plans seem to shrink a bit- but I still have plans for the Stall converter and shift kit (got the kit for christmas), and hope to have time to slap in some better valve springs, get my holley750 dialed in a little better...

I'll be ready in april when the tracks open. :D

BTW: is it just me or does it look like Darryl has a cub scout hat on in that pic with the chicks?

George, George, George... :D

Don't forget me! We'll have to find a rubber mouse trophy too!
My cat will love it.:yes:

Greg,
You claimed POOR AS A CHURCH MOUSE all last season. The whole off-season you've been piling on the parts. I'm not sure exactly how you got Darryl to give up a 3-series Posi unit:sad:.....I tried for over a year with a few phone calls and weekly emails.... Now you're gonna have two tires hookin and, was it 3.90 gears? I'm thinking by FEB I should install the converter and cam (the LT-1 cam or something else) and get after 468Brian to upgrade his suspension so I can get his take-offs. Cripes, reminds me, you had something for me, still got it/them?
PM me the details....

Thinking about air bags too, know I only need one really so looking for someone else looking to split the set with....
Also need some DRs to be halfway competitive, gain consistency.

I guess the Mouse Trophy would look good on MY bookcase!

Mark,

Darryl did get to drive the RatVette around the block...with the Eddy carb, as it turned out, partially fouled. You got the ride, same carb, same situation. She's a lot more crisp with the 3310, picked up some missing power....
It is a little overcammed for the 3.31s but those gears are a huge improvement over the 3.08s. Some 3.73s would really be fun.....
Anyway, gotta get some traction tires unless Ben wants to go street tires vs street tires...... The Vette is real and it will make an appearance or two at the track and make passes....
OK, the Elky hits 90.....seat of the pants dyno says 105 should be no issue

I actually think your story about the Army relocating you is just a cover story.:D You are really FLEEING so you don't get spanked by the RatVette, Kevin, Greg, the Princess, etc.:yes:

George, in response you should post the picture of you sitting in RatVette with your lovely daughter next to you...

PS: At least Darryl's got "ho's" Especially the nasty blonde one in the middle.. :sad:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g34/Brettd85/Chevelle2.jpg

I can't wait to run at the track this summer, hopefully I dont move away for a job. :(

That brunette is looking a little sassy. It is my belief that she may be in need of a spanking.

OK, looks like Ben was writing when I was.....
Yes Ben, at least one race in street tires. I do not think anyone has DRs slender enough to fit under RatVette's wheelwells. I can't see me buying 2 sets of DRs when one set would be a hard sell. I might just buy the set to fit the Vette, they'd just be small on the Elky.

Big Delivery in Jul? Wasn't aware, congrats!
Remodel......far too much time and energy devoted to this.....I should have my head examined. TH400 shift kit install is easy as hell. With trans coming out for the converter, even easier to do with the trans on its back on the garage floor rather than reaching up to work on it while on your back......
I'm glad you located the rubber Rat. Got an old trophy to mount it to? If not, I'll look around and find one.... Heck, with all the marble and wood scraps here, I could just about make a nice-looking base.....
Rat Trophy, Priceless!

I need to reach the redhead a lesson................

Rat Trophy, Priceless!

I can supply the rat!!!!!!!!!
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6938&d=1177431987

I can supply the rat!!!!!!!!!
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/attachment.php?ttachmentid=6938&d=1177431987

You wear size 8's? :o:o:o:o ;)

You wear size 8's? :o:o:o:o ;)

NO, those are a pair of girls size 8 Chuck's that your girlfriend left here.

NO, those are a pair of girls size 8 Chuck's that your girlfriend left here.

It looks like everyone's got your number now...;)

NO, those are a pair of girls size 8 Chuck's that your girlfriend left here.

SHMMMMMAACKKK!!!:bow:

Now that was smack talking.:yes:

George,
The only way I could afford to pick up the parts I did was because of working for 2 yrs without a contract. When we settled I got a nice back pay check. Most of it went to the IRS, the last $1,000 got squirreled into the car fund.
I knew if I ididn't spend it immediately, it would go to something more sensible. :pout: I just couldn't stand the thought of that.:noway:

Now I'm back to saving my nickels to put the motor back together.:yes:

I'll bet I still have a bit less total investment in my car than you do in your Elky. Remember, mine was a $700 project.:)

Now, back to the smack talkin' already in progress!:D

Funny, never thought of you as a CAT person....................................

Is there something you're not telling us?

Hahahha.. :D
I'm definitely a dog person, but the landlord couldn'tbe bribed into letting us have one.:sad:

I have raised my Manx as a dog though. :D
She growls at any animals or people that come around our townhouse, attacks my sisters border collie whenever she can, comes when you call her, chases off all the other cats, and speaks on command.
She may be a cat, but she doesn't know it.:D

Lol, you guys crack me up. :hurray: The only girl that is gonna be at your house is going to be locked up in the basement, no need for shoes at that point. Maybe I should send Chris Hanson over to have a word with you.

PS: I dont have a gf now, I need to play the field more. :thumbsup:

PS: I dont have a gf now

I know

PS: I dont have a gf now, I need to play the field more. :thumbsup: Still trying to get George's daughters digits! :D

HUh!!!!????????????????

I know

:D Yea, cuz I just told you dummy.

I actually think your story about the Army relocating you is just a cover story.:D You are really FLEEING so you don't get spanked by the RatVette, Kevin, Greg, the Princess, etc.:yes:

I fear no Vette, Kevin will be a good match, Greg, oh HELL no, and the Princess: forgetaboutit. I'll even DIAL against Darryl for that matter. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger:yes:

Still trying to get George's daughters digits! :D

Something tells me that you wouldn't survive.............................

:sad: Obviously didnt see the apple cup, seen any basketball?

All the more reason for a Husky to hate a Coug.

Brett,
Let me say to you in the politest of terms that talk of my daughters is inappropriate for this forum. Clear?

Brett,
Let me say to you in the politest of terms that talk of my daughters is inappropriate for this forum. Clear?

George you are right, I apologize for this as it was absolutely innapropriate and I have deleted my comments. :o I have also sent you a PM.

I fear no Vette, Kevin will be a good match, Greg, oh HELL no, and the Princess: forgetaboutit. I'll even DIAL against Darryl for that matter. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger:yes:


Im saying it right now Mark you have no chance against me at all.

Ya Im not good at the smack talk.I hope everyone runs well.:thumbsup:

Greg,

OK, knew you had a pot of money from somewhere....
I look fwd to runnin' ya later this year.
PM me on that susp stuff you had unless ya sold it.

Brett,
Apology accepted.

Mark,
You should be afraid of the big bad Vette! This is to say if we both have comparable tires. Me with the redlines and you with DRs would not be fun. Just supposin' ext manifolds and all, maybe with the Elky's FRONTs on the Vette's rear......decent launch, think mid 13s at over 105.... You yourself said I'd be running people down at the finish IIRC. I sure hope your last track outing here the weather is good.....
I kinda wanna kick myself in the ass, 2 years back, turned down a deal on a Vette 3.73 center section w/posi

George,,,maybe I'll actually let Shawn drive his nova against you! LOL,,,,,,,track needs rubber bumpers on the gardrails though but I think he'd out run ya to the end.

George you are right, I apologize for this as it was absolutely innapropriate and I have deleted my comments. :o I have also sent you a PM.

Good boy,,,,keep it respectable but ABSOLUTELY FUN!

Oh ya,,,,,,,,,,Kevin,,,,I thought you did a fine job on your porting,,,it'll run hard. They looked good.

George,,,maybe I'll actually let Shawn drive his nova against you! LOL,,,,,,,track needs rubber bumpers on the gardrails though but I think he'd out run ya to the end.

I almost laughed out loud at that one...:D:D:D

Oh ya,,,,,,,,,,Kevin,,,,I thought you did a fine job on your porting,,,it'll run hard. They looked good.


Thanks Darryl.The heads are now assembled and on the motor:yes:
I have it all taped off ready for a new coat of 12 second paint:D:D
The motor should be in the car in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks Darryl.The heads are now assembled and on the motor:yes:
I have it all taped off ready for a new coat of 12 second paint:D:D
The motor should be in the car in the next couple of weeks.

OK Kevin, now it's your turn to pass on the porting knowledge...:yes:
Maybe one of these days I'll head your way and you can give me some pointers.
I look forward to seeing more pictures too. Keep up the good work...:thumbsup:

Anyone want to run heads up against my motor home????? :hurray:

I have my 71 truck, or my 88 cavalier Darryl think you could take either one?:D

Now you guys are talking some stuff I can line up against, sounds fun. We need a daily driver class at Bremerton.

I'll be running Mamas Town & Country...Leather baby...:cool:

George,,,maybe I'll actually let Shawn drive his nova against you! LOL,,,,,,,track needs rubber bumpers on the gardrails though but I think he'd out run ya to the end.


Darryl,
Last seen the Nova was all apart, one head ported, 406 SBC shortblock off in some dark corner of the shop...... Unknown what diff and what gear but IIRC there were a lotta options lying around in that regard.
OOPs! Shawn's Nova, not Chris's Nova now? You should not talk about your son like that!

And BTW, the Vette had the dying Eddy (dvr side idle circuit) and only about 34* on her due to pump gas. Got the Holley on her, and race day 38* and a gallon or so of race fuel thrown in as insurance against detonation. Really amazing in the difference. I'm prepared to put Shawn (and whoever his copilot is) on the short list of people to be "put on the trailer"

I am a bit baffled. I'm starting to think the Vette ran stronger with the 063 heads, stock size valves, and nearly 12:1 CR with octane booster than with the 781s, big valves, and roughly 10.5:1. Maybe it is because the roads were far more open, less traffic in and near Columbus, GA. I'd still run outa highway before running outa oomph in 3rd gear....and damn deer everywhere popping out of the woods.

Anyway.....now that I'm talking a little smack, anybody else want on the list, first outing? Looks like a street tire/exhaust manifold run for me...initial testing.

Im saying it right now Mark you have no chance against me at all.
Ain't scared;)

Looks like I got what I wanted, I http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stirthepot.gif ..........Keep it up guys!

I think princess installed twin squirrel runs in her Jeep, and is planning to run 8's which is why she needs that new certified roll cage...

Watch out! The secret forumula is rabbid squirrels on Redbull!


That was almost funny... keep trying, you'll get it right sooner or later. :p

Actually I'm not doing anything special to the Camaro (remember just learning and would like to survive the experience), I'll shame you all in a year or two. For now, if I need to beat you, I'll saddle up one of the pony's and bring some real horsepower to the track.

Oh....Mr. Db...err Fryntyr.... did those girls have to be paid to stand with you? Next time let the wife dress you first. Squirrels and ho ho ho's......

Mel

I am up to run ANY of you......:D even you Jim, and I can tell ya all... I aint scared.... I might not beat Jim, but I will give him a run for his money. And I will do it on 10.5 slicks, and leaf springs.:boxing: LOL..... Enough trash talkin.... Should be fun year, I might even paint it... doesn't that make it faster?

So how many of you guys are up for running against a diesel?:D
I know I can't touch Darryl or Jim but I do enjoy beating Z06 Vettes :thumbsup: there is something about a 5600lb smoking diesel truck beating them that makes a Vette owner mad :waving:
I also plan on bring out the wifes Chevelle this summer.

I am up to run ANY of you......:D even you Jim, and I can tell ya all... I aint scared.... I might not beat Jim, but I will give him a run for his money. And I will do it on 10.5 slicks, and leaf springs.:boxing: LOL..... Enough trash talkin.... Should be fun year, I might even paint it... doesn't that make it faster?


Bring it on Homie. :boring: You will either go down from this http://www.natrocell.com/images/mousekiller_small.gifhttp://www.waresdirect.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.waresdirect.com/images/spacer.gif

or this http://bigblockduster.com/images/chevelle/pir1_small.jpg ...........:boxing::waving:

Were's Roger in all this??? Can't he give that Jim dude a run for his money...:yes:
Well it looks like we've definately got us several different clusters of racers.
1) The low 10 sec and faster....Mostley guys with waaayyy too much money
2) The low 12's group that want to be in group 1 but are too scared to make the leap
3) The 13's group that are sure they will make it to group 2... but never will
4) ...and the rest of them that just tell everyone how fast their car at home is...:p

Were's Roger in all this??? Can't he give that Jim dude a run for his money...:yes:
Well it looks like we've definately got us several different clusters of racers.
1) The low 10 sec and faster....Mostley guys with waaayyy too much money
2) The low 12's group that want to be in group 1 but are too scared to make the leap
3) The 13's group that are sure they will make it to group 2... but never will
4) ...and the rest of them that just tell everyone how fast their car at home is...:p

:D I guess I am #4 since I havent run my car yet. Hoping to make it to group 2 though.

I'm Group 4 now, Group 3 soon
What about Group 5, the broken cars?

3) The 13's group that are sure they will make it to group 2... but never will


Wait, what was that snapping sound I heard??? Sounded like an axle breaking to me. Need a group 6, all motor with no place to go............

I'm currently in the #4 group, will be in the #3 group in the spring, and with any luck, a #2 group entry someday...;)

I have no plans of ever taking the Buick into the 10's.
Maybe someday I'll stumble into some cash and build a 10sec Chevy II.:D

I am looking forward to finding out what group my wifes car is in :thumbsup:
Not #4 if I can help it :D But most likely #3 or slower :(

My 69 will be in the "Engine runs good on the stand" category for a while. However, I would love to pull up next to brett in the 70 when it's done.

Pulling up next to brett with open headered, 600 hp small block, staging at 6500, then launching off the transbrake should shut him up for a bit. I'm still trying to get all the specs, but the engine ran mid 9's with no juice in a '55 chevy.

Well it looks like we've definately got us several different clusters of racers.
1) The low 10 sec and faster....Mostley guys with waaayyy too much money
2) The low 12's group that want to be in group 1 but are too scared to make the leap
3) The 13's group that are sure they will make it to group 2... but never will
4) ...and the rest of them that just tell everyone how fast their car at home is...:p

Damn that hurts... i gotta get me that last 10th of a second so I can be in group 2!!!

should shut him up for a bit.

Good luck with that.........................

Damn that hurts... i gotta get me that last 10th of a second so I can be in group 2!!!

Just a converter away.....................

I think we need to add a group 1.1...guys that put all there money into getting down the track and not caring about what they look like doing it.:D

I also second the big converter for Ben

I think we need to add a group 1.1...guys that put all there money into getting down the track and not caring about what they look like doing it.:D




Uhhhhhh!!! Is that directed at the car,,,,,,, driver,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or both????? I think I got em both covered. :D

Ill race bretts camino in my old mercedes. If he loses, he has to put a Huskies sticker in the rear window for a semester. :)

Uhhhhhh!!! Is that directed at the car,,,,,,, driver,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or both????? I think I got em both covered. :D

I will go with both since guys with cars that quick it doesnt matter what they look like the girls show up for the big wheelies and rollbars, and the 1.01 boys know it. You know the dangerous type.:thumbsup:

Kyle as long as you got a diesel in the mercedes I think you have a fighting chance. Although Bretts car might be completely demolished if he rolls in with a UW sticker.:sad:

Uhhhhhh!!! Is that directed at the car,,,,,,, driver,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or both????? I think I got em both covered. :D

All you need is a razor and a can of flat black paint and you're out for both...;)

Im shooting for the fast side of group 2 with the 396.I just bought a set of ti spring retainers to get a couple more RPMs out of it.(thanks for the info Darryl)

So lets see what I have done compared to last year.I will be running a set of DRs so thats good for high 12s right there.I have done a full port of my heads,new voodoo 60204 cam,new stiff springs with ti retainers,new better flowing mufflers,new weind stealth intake.So what do ya think 12.5???

Easy 12.50's tuned in (I think a bit lower). I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with that combo.

Im shooting for the fast side of group 2 with the 396.I just bought a set of ti spring retainers to get a couple more RPMs out of it.(thanks for the info Darryl)

So lets see what I have done compared to last year.I will be running a set of DRs so thats good for high 12s right there.I have done a full port of my heads,new voodoo 60204 cam,new stiff springs with ti retainers,new better flowing mufflers,new weind stealth intake.So what do ya think 12.5???

The fast side of group 2...:sad::sad::sad:
I figured you'd be talking smack to Ben and Mark, hoping to get out of group 3. You must have done some sweet work on those heads to wanna play with the 468 group...:boxing:
Keep it up..you're fitting right in...:thumbsup:

What was your cam specs before an after? Definitely looks like 12.5 is a good goal to shoot for, once you get that go for 11.99:D.

Have you done anything for suspension? At that power level slicks along might not be enough to get it to hook everytime on Fridays.

I think for another $500 Kevin could be looking at that 11.99:yes:

What do you think Darryl?

What was your cam specs before an after? Definitely looks like 12.5 is a good goal to shoot for, once you get that go for 11.99:D.

Have you done anything for suspension? At that power level slicks along might not be enough to get it to hook everytime on Fridays.


For suspension I have Hotchkis lowers with sway bar and Edle adjust uppers and air bags.
Cam before was a Comp XE 274 230 236 @ 50 and 552 555 lift. Along with dual springs with a 347 spring rate
New cam is 233 241 @ 50 and 554 572 lift with single spring with a 450 rate.Also acording to UDHAROLD the voodoo cam is a much better grind than the comp.

I will run the crap out of it this year but I will be building the 427 for sub 12 runs:D

I think for another $500 Kevin could be looking at that 11.99:yes:

What do you think Darryl?


Im all gigglie inside.NOT!!!

Not this motor Greg.Maybe the next one though

If you still cant hook with that setup, unhooking the front sway bar or taking it off completely should solve that for yah.

That should make quite a bit more power as well as rpm alot better. Make sure you take your time breaking the cam in with a spring that strong, dont want anything bad to happen on breakin.

Looks like there should be some good racing within the mid 12 second range. Hopefully everyone has there R/Ts down that might be the deciding factor. Dont wana see anymore 500+ R/Ts:D.

The fast side of group 2...:sad::sad::sad:
I figured you'd be talking smack to Ben and Mark, hoping to get out of group 3. You must have done some sweet work on those heads to wanna play with the 468 group...:boxing:
Keep it up..you're fitting right in...:thumbsup:

Thats my goal is to spank some of the guys that think you need big cubes to go fast but really a good combo is where its at.
Also Ben and Mark are too easy,I need some competition.

If you still cant hook with that setup, unhooking the front sway bar or taking it off completely should solve that for yah.

That should make quite a bit more power as well as rpm alot better. Make sure you take your time breaking the cam in with a spring that strong, dont want anything bad to happen on breakin.

Looks like there should be some good racing within the mid 12 second range. Hopefully everyone has there R/Ts down that might be the deciding factor. Dont wana see anymore 500+ R/Ts:D.

For cam break in I have the duals in there with the center spring removed.Thats the way I did the cam that was in there with no problems.Then after breakin I will install the new springs and retainers.

Also Ben and Mark are too easy,I need some competition.

Hey Kevin...
I think you're gettin' the hang of this.:D

Thats my goal is to spank some of the guys that think you need big cubes to go fast but really a good combo is where its at.
Also Ben and Mark are too easy,I need some competition.

That's what we're looking for...:yes:
We are going to have some fun this year with a whole bunch of low 12 guys going all out.
I'll look for you at the light...:thumbsup:

That's what we're looking for...:yes:
We are going to have some fun this year with a whole bunch of low 12 guys going all out.
I'll look for you at the light...:thumbsup:

If we run brackets, the only thing you need is a consistent dial in.


Happiness is a .000 light!

If we run brackets, the only thing you need is a consistent dial in.


Happiness is a .000 light!

Brackets are for sissies...:p
Some of us just want to go faster...:waving:

Some of us just want to go faster...:waving:

I think that every time one of my kids challenges me to a footrace. The only excuse I have is. " You only beat me by 2 steps and I was carrying a beer".

For suspension I have Hotchkis lowers with sway bar and Edle adjust uppers and air bags.


NOW THE TRUTH COMES OUT:mad:

SO MUCH FOR A HEADS UP, GUESS I'LL HAVE TO GET THE 496 COMPLETED SOONER THAN PLANNED (YES DAMN IT, I PURPOSELY TYPED IN ALL CAPS)

Guess we'll just have to dial.....................

Also Ben and Mark are too easy,I need some competition.

Dial against me, I DARE YA:yes:

im down with some dial in races.i will hold a 10th and dump ya at the stripe:boxing::D

That's what we're looking for...:yes:
We are going to have some fun this year with a whole bunch of low 12 guys going all out.
I'll look for you at the light...:thumbsup:

:rolleyes: That's some serious smack. I know a 396 that left that 468 driver nailed to the tree and never had enough power to catch up.

I just want to say thanks to Jim, this has lit a fire that has been out since the last race day. Hopefully everyone that talks the talk walks the walk, I surely dont wana hear excuses why someone just got there @$$ handed to them.:D

im down with some dial in races.i will hold a 10th and dump ya at the stripe:boxing::D

Veteran racers would say "fender" ya at the stripe:D (you'd have to been there, a couple of people know what I mean)

Last time I dumped, I still broke out:sad:

I surely dont wana hear excuses why someone just got there @$$ handed to them.:D

That's why I'll dial against anybody:yes:

I was going to use the term "fender"and insted of "stripe"i was going to say "big end".I have only raced a few times in the last 6 years when my girl was born, before she was born i was at the track every wed,fri &sat that i could.Now i should be able to race more. I dont know about you guys but,racing is my addiction.:thumbsup:

I dont know about you guys but,racing is my addiction.:thumbsup:

For me it is the adrenaline. It might only last 10 seconds or less but it is a total rush.
Also, I am an admitted attention whore. :cool:

I to am an attention whore . Unfortunatlly it will be many years before i can afford for my car to be a 9 or 10sec car.May be after the kids are grown.The 327 im putting together it should be in the 12s if im luck the 11s

:rolleyes: That's some serious smack. I know a 396 that left that 468 driver nailed to the tree and never had enough power to catch up.

Not mine...:noway::noway::noway:

For me it is the adrenaline. It might only last 10 seconds or less but it is a total rush.

You should try parachuting then, especially at night.

I'll rig you if I can take your chevelle for a spin......................

You should try parachuting then, especially at night.

I'll rig you if I can take your chevelle for a spin......................


I used to be a Parachute rigger in the Air Force. Only one failure.....:(

I used to be a Parachute rigger in the Air Force. Only one failure.....:(

cargo or pax?

NOW THE TRUTH COMES OUT:mad:

SO MUCH FOR A HEADS UP, GUESS I'LL HAVE TO GET THE 496 COMPLETED SOONER THAN PLANNED (YES DAMN IT, I PURPOSELY TYPED IN ALL CAPS)

Guess we'll just have to dial.....................


Hey Mark your not scared of a little suspension upgrade are ya??
Heads up buddy.Look like I said before I still have to hook and drive the car and with very few runs and none on DRs everyone will have a big advantage.Now if I get this combo dialed in and learn to drive thats a different story but Im sure it will take a few outings to make that happen.

Hey Mark your not scared of a little suspension upgrade are ya??
Heads up buddy.Look like I said before I still have to hook and drive the car and with very few runs and none on DRs everyone will have a big advantage.Now if I get this combo dialed in and learn to drive thats a different story but Im sure it will take a few outings to make that happen.

By itself no but with the other mods to your ride, you'll shade me by a couple of 10ths for sure. That's ok though, I'll still run ya heads up once or twice.:thumbsup:

When you get the car dialed in, you should be very pleasantly surprised:yes:

The guy you don't want to dial against the first time out is Loader1. He's deadly at the tree, his car hooks, and he's real consistent on his numbers. I've learned a bunch from him. 72 Heavy Chevy (Y Bryan) is another guy I'd hate to dial against as he's really good at the tree as well, plus his car launches hard. "I" Brian is another good and fast dude but he's still tuning. When he gets his car dialed in though.......................

You know the story on the rest of the bunch. Bremerton should be really fun this year. I'd love to hang around and race, the car club challenges were fun. The cash bash I ran was a hoot too, I had to buy back in but lucked out and went a ways before I REDLIT:o Once you get one dot, you want more.

Just get a trailer that you can load and unload by opening your door or else this crowd makes fun of you for some reason:) If you camp at the track watch out for the wild golf carts and people putting stuff in the back of your truck and taking pics of it. (that last part will make no sense to you but trust me, the memories I'm taking with me are worth it)

Not mine...:noway::noway::noway:

I knew it! Don't make me prove it. You should know me better than that. Go faster, MR 468 club? You need safety equipment!:yes: You're already going fast enough to kill yourself, let alone someone else. JMO

I knew it! Don't make me prove it. You should know me better than that. Go faster, MR 468 club? You need safety equipment!:yes: You're already going fast enough to kill yourself, let alone someone else. JMO

Go ahead and refresh me. There's even a video out there. Wasn't the the run you ran you best 12.5 something? I can go pull my stack of slips if that's needed.
What's all this safety crap stuff???
All the suspension on my car...:thumbsup: I have a driveshaft loop, good rubber, good brakes & I'm upgrading the rearend, so what's all the fuss???

All the suspension on my car...:thumbsup: I have a driveshaft loop, good rubber, good brakes & I'm upgrading the rearend, so what's all the fuss???


Scattershield, stronger transmission before that one barfs up its innards, and a cage if you intend to go quicker. Cage required at 11.50 but if I was running 12.0 and had a desire to go faster, I'd be getting a rollcage. I'd also be looking at axle retention...manual trans and slicks are very rough on the axles.

Scattershield, stronger transmission before that one barfs up its innards, and a cage if you intend to go quicker. Cage required at 11.50 but if I was running 12.0 and had a desire to go faster, I'd be getting a rollcage. I'd also be looking at axle retention...manual trans and slicks are very rough on the axles.

Its the fact that at those speeds and power levels when something fails its usually catastrophic. Imagine if your axle had broken at 130mph plus. If you notice when Darryl races, he's got the suit, collar, and helmet plus the harnesses.

Kill yourself, OK. Kill or injure someone else, isn't.

Scattershield, stronger transmission before that one barfs up its innards, and a cage if you intend to go quicker. Cage required at 11.50 but if I was running 12.0 and had a desire to go faster, I'd be getting a rollcage. I'd also be looking at axle retention...manual trans and slicks are very rough on the axles.

Its the fact that at those speeds and power levels when something fails its usually catastrophic. Imagine if your axle had broken at 130mph plus. If you notice when Darryl races, he's got the suit, collar, and helmet plus the harnesses.

Kill yourself, OK. Kill or injure someone else, isn't.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:...I got it. My street car has no place on your race track going 113 mph's.
Peace to you all.

im retracting my statement about the 327,i just went and got that 402 off of craigslist for $150.00:hurray:hopefully i can sell my 327 for what i have in to it.The block # is 3969854 and the head# is 3993820

What just happened here?????

I think this thread went all real world real quick.This is supposed to be just smack talk.

im retracting my statement about the 327,i just went and got that 402 off of craigslist for $150.00:hurray:hopefully i can sell my 327 for what i have in to it.The block # is 3969854 and the head# is 3993820

Looks like a good set of heads.Oval port 71-84 pass,truck 113cc chamber 255/114 ports.Block is either a 396 or 402 2bolt or 4 1969 on the 396 and 70-72 on the 402.Either way welcome to the big time:thumbsup:

What just happened here?????

I think this thread went all real world real quick.This is supposed to be just smack talk.

AHHH, don't mine me, must be all the rain and the fact that I have some real good Irish Whisky on the shelf and can't touch a drop........PT test soon:(

anyone ever race this 64 chevelle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3RheAGvG6k

im retracting my statement about the 327,i just went and got that 402 off of craigslist for $150.00:hurray:hopefully i can sell my 327 for what i have in to it.The block # is 3969854 and the head# is 3993820

Was that the one from Port Orchard needing a crank? I just saw the ad!

yes sir

They used to have the rollbar requirement set at 12.00, this had to be changed once cars from the factory could surpass this mark. Thus dropped down to 11.50.

Personally even if I stayed at 12.10 I would have went to a rollbar, for safety and the bad@$$ factor. I will be running a jacket, trans sheild, fire extinquisher, rollbar, fancy jacket, 5 point harness, helmet, maybe a window net for fun. I might even just hire a driver and have him dress up as me if I have a heads up against the big dogs of the group.:D

If I break my 35 spline axles I will not be a happy camper.:thumbsup:

Brian, I'm with you.

My ride will probably only run a 13+ the first handful of passes until I get a hold of the pucker factor. But you know, for what it's worth, with 3 kids to feed, and 3 mortgages to pay, I'm Johnny on the Spot when it comes to safety.

A hundred years ago when I was a teenager, I didn't even check the brakes on my ride, all the money went into going faster.

Nowadays, I want to live to see tomorrow. That's why I put in the 10 pt cage, (although I've always had a fetish for rollcages), I will be running with a firesuit and a neckbrace, and what the heck, I use a full face helmet when I ride my motor bike, why not when I'm draggin'.

Not to come on like a candy ass, but now that I'm older and had the unfortunate honour of shovelin' soil for some of my good ol' buds, I think it's prudent to take whatever safety measures I can.

'Cause the last thing I want, is some sheethead starin' at my box with my kid watching and saying," What the hell was he thinking driving a racecar without any safety equipment."

Ok, Ok, I'm getting old. I just don't want my kids to have to do any undue explaining on behalf of the old man. I've used up a handful of the nine lives already. Don't wan't to be remembered as a dummy.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:...I got it. My street car has no place on your race track going 113 mph's.
Peace to you all.

Hey Frank, please don't take that dialog as negative. We all need to ensure we use whatever safety equipment nessesary so we're around to watch our kids grow up. You should take this as an honor because if your car wasn't viewed as a very fast and powerful ride, nobody would be so quick to offer suggestions on what would be helpful.

Anyone in the 12's should seriously think about adding some or all of the upgrades for 11.50 requirements. Just because one's car isn't running those times doesn't mean it doesn't have the power potetual to do so, just maybe the car isn't set up to use it. With that it means you could break stuff just as easy as a car that is running under 11.50's. Frank, your car DOES have that kind of power. Be proud of it.

I've hit walls head-on with my circle track cars that would kill a person instantly if it weren't for the safety side of it. I even thought I broke my neck on one of my crashes and would have for sure had I not had a neck brace on, I still received some damage and have a few minor problems with my neck but I'm still here and get to continue playing.

Hey Frank, please don't take that dialog as negative. We all need to ensure we use whatever safety equipment nessesary so we're around to watch our kids grow up. You should take this as an honor because if your car wasn't viewed as a very fast and powerful ride, nobody would be so quick to offer suggestions on what would be helpful.

Anyone in the 12's should seriously think about adding some or all of the upgrades for 11.50 requirements. Just because one's car isn't running those times doesn't mean it doesn't have the power potetual to do so, just maybe the car isn't set up to use it. With that it means you could break stuff just as easy as a car that is running under 11.50's. Frank, your car DOES have that kind of power. Be proud of it.

I've hit walls head-on with my circle track cars that would kill a person instantly if it weren't for the safety side of it. I even thought I broke my neck on one of my crashes and would have for sure had I not had a neck brace on, I still received some damage and have a few minor problems with my neck but I'm still here and get to continue playing.

Well said :thumbsup:
The other side of this coin is no matter how safe you feel with your own ability to drive and the ability of your car to hold up to what you expect of it you can never tell what the other guy is going to do. I have always gone with the overprotective side of safety after a near miss with another driver who lost control of his ride and damn near killed me. I see a lot of people who take talking about safety personally, like you are saying there car is junk or they can't drive and that could not be farther from the truth. I installed my cage when the truck was running 12's because I felt is was the right thing to do not because I thought I was going to cause a wreck. We all have the obligation to do whatever we can to make sure everyone at the track goes home safe :thumbsup:

We now return you to your previously scheduled smack talk!!!!!!!!!! :hurray:

Let me jump in here on the safety issue.

When I owned my 68 Charger R/T it pained me to have to cage the car because of what it was. For those that haven't watched Barrett Jackson, a 68 Charger R/T with a numbers matching engine, A/C and numerous other factory options, is worth a few dollars.
When I got close to the low 12's I knew it was time to be safe even though I didn't want hack up the car.
So I took the car in to a chassis shop and said "cage it but no hack work and no welding to the car, bolt on only".
So to make a long story short, I had a much safer car, stiffened it up so it didn't screw up the unibody.
Just a side note..... I ended up selling the car because I wanted to go quicker which meant I was going to have to do things to the car that was going to be irreversible. Now the car is in Australia and bone stock.
Sorry for the long story but I guess my message is be safe and just about anything you do to your car is reversible but a bad crash without the proper safety equipment can be deadly.

You can see in this picture I had a swing out bar and the cage really wasn't all that visible.

http://bigblockduster.com/images/steph/011_8a_small.jpg

Swing out bar,,,where??????????????????? :D

With some more track time, steeper gears, and a working posi I think Frank's car could run mid 11's. If you guys want to see crazy you should meet his engine builder buddy with the tubbed firebird, that guy is nuts and car is crazy fast.

Hey Frank, please don't take that dialog as negative. We all need to ensure we use whatever safety equipment nessesary so we're around to watch our kids grow up.

I wana make sure I have kids:D

I wana make sure I have kids

ummm.. Brian...

Lack of appropriate safety equipment is how you get that to happen.;)

I guess you guys didnt check the NHRA rule book where it says if you dont have kids you have to wear a cup. Thats why it takes me so long to swap the tires, not to mobile with that thing on.

Brian, just a heads up buddy.. that's not an eye patch.:D

I knew I was doing something wrong.:D

heck I could always just buy another so I cant see, I could probably still beat some guys down track.:hurray:

looks like the smack talkin just started back up:D

If I don't get out of the 14's this year I'm going to buy a couple to cover my ears with so I can't hear the crap I'll get.

heck I could always just buy another so I cant see, I could probably still beat some guys down track.:hurray:

looks like the smack talkin just started back up:D

Then maybe you can run a fair race against Shawn, in his nova.

If I don't get out of the 14's this year I'm going to buy a couple to cover my ears with so I can't hear the crap I'll get.

I hope you weren't planning on borrowing a pair of someone's used ones.............

hehehe.. no, I'll spring for new ones.:D

BTW, I got $10 on Shawn!:thumbsup:

No way I dont wana run against Sean, he would probably beat me. For what I saw Sean do at the BBQ I was absolutely blown away. Definitely was an inspiring moment for me.

But for some of the other guys I could aways bring the riding lawn mower out and race that might be a good challenge for me.

hmmm..

Riding lawnmower vs the pink moped vs the golf cart...

Why did I just have a mental image of The Monkee's, Benny Hill (soundtrack), and Pinks All Out all mixed together... "TCNW the second season"

Ill race bretts camino in my old mercedes. If he loses, he has to put a Huskies sticker in the rear window for a semester. :)

:noway: Did you watch the husky/coug b-ball game? :hurray:

Maybe I will go to spokane raceway when it opens up to get a few runs in and know where I stand before I talk all kinds of trash. It would be nice to know who I can already beat. :yes:

:noway: Did you watch the husky/coug b-ball game? :hurray:

Maybe I will go to spokane raceway when it opens up to get a few runs in and know where I stand before I talk all kinds of trash. It would be nice to know who I can already beat. :yes:

Hey thats cheating......but a great idea:thumbsup:

Hey thats cheating......but a great idea:thumbsup:

Well I have never run at the track but you have. I am fairly confident that even with street tires I can get in the 12's(fingers crossed). I get surprisingly good traction with the T/A's. If I ever get into the 11's I would be a happy man. I'm sure that will require slicks and maybe some more mods. We will just see how it pans out. Gotta beat Frank before I die! :yes:

I hate to burst your bubble brett, but I highly doubt you get anywhere near the 12s on street tires. I wouldnt even advise making a pass on street tires period. I am 100% sure you are running alot more power than me, along with a manual you are gona be smoking those tires.

With my stock converter I could only do a best of 2.3 60ft, and 14.3 1/4 mile.

Like an idiot and not used to the power yet I just went WOT first pass, spinning all the way through 2nd at about half track it started going sideways I had to get on the brakes to keep her straight, ended up with a 16.9 E.T and still beat a CRX hahah. I tried every technique in the book and it wouldnt hook any time I got into the secondaries in first or second.

I will never make a pass on street tires again. I dont even want to think what the 8" converter would be like at the track.

I hate to burst your bubble brett, but I highly doubt you get anywhere near the 12s on street tires. I wouldnt even advise making a pass on street tires period. I am 100% sure you are running alot more power than me, along with a manual you are gona be smoking those tires.

With my stock converter I could only do a best of 2.3 60ft, and 14.3 1/4 mile.

Like an idiot and not used to the power yet I just went WOT first pass, spinning all the way through 2nd at about half track it started going sideways I had to get on the brakes to keep her straight, ended up with a 16.9 E.T and still beat a CRX hahah. I tried every technique in the book and it wouldnt hook any time I got into the secondaries in first or second.

I will never make a pass on street tires again. I dont even want to think what the 8" converter would be like at the track.

Im not so sure your right about him not making it into the 12s on street tires.With my smaller 396 I came really close to it on street tires.If he launches easy at the start then dont slam 2nd to hard I think he could get at least a 12.99. He definitely cant launch hard and slam 2nd or its over.

Ah but kevin you underestimate the power of the 4" stroke:D

You never know I guess, I would say that Bretts got me covered by 50+hp yet he says he can hook in second gear, I cant hook at 50mph on the freeway have to shift into third to hook up.

Maybe I just have a crappy suspension setup for the street tires.

Ah but kevin you underestimate the power of the 4" stroke:D

You never know I guess, I would say that Bretts got me covered by 50+hp yet he says he can hook in second gear, I cant hook at 50mph on the freeway have to shift into third to hook up.

Maybe I just have a crappy suspension setup for the street tires.

Ya your right about the torque difference.I didnt think about that.That could make a big difference on hooking up even after leaving soft off the line.I was able to leave at 2000 rpm not dropping the clutch but letting off fast then just going right to WOT without spining but the couple of times I grabed 2nd hard I broke loose.I would much rather run DRs that get some traction than running street tires.

I get surprisingly good traction with the T/A's.

Yeah, that's what I thought too, till I saw the video of me smokin' through the 60' mark. My times were terrible on street tires. If you and I make it to the track together, you can make a couple passes on my DRs. Huge difference.

Brian, I am going to have to disagree. True, 1st gear is difficult to get traction. At about half throttle I am ok in first gear. But a full throttle shift from 1st to 2nd and I stay hooked no problemo. :yes: 2nd gear has no tire spin and a complete hookup. A Camino has more weight over the rear tires. I am running stock old springs which are cut and super soft with air shocks on minimum pressure. I get excellent traction and am running 275's. I still think I can hit 12's on street tires. Either that or my engine runs like crap and I am not getting the power I should be. :confused:

What kind of gearing do you have in that trans in 1st and second?

Just for comparison my

first is 2.42X4.11=9.9 overall gearing

2nd is 1.41X4.11=5.84 overall gearing

I am running trick springs in the back with 3 way shocks set on rock hard, 3 ways up front set on full soft. Along with 275/60/15 tires out back on15X8s on the cragars.

Do you have sandbags back there? I know my chevelle is feels super light in the rear while driving around even though the shocks tell me other wise.

By all means that would be awsome if you ran some 12s on street tires, maybe if you have bad 60fts you can still pick it up on the top end. You have a good amount more compression, more cam, more head....I guess those headers might be hurting low end...maybe thats why

Need to get Brett to the track to get a baseline first. His carb may be working well now but still might not be jetted enough and could be lean. If he can get into the 12.99's first time out, I see 12.50's with a little tuning. Then throw some DR or slicks on for some hard launches and you'll see his times drop quickly.

That combo should run high 11's with slicks.

I have always been able to drop at least a 1/2 second in my 1/4 times from first time out to a few outings just by tuning. One really doesn't know how good the tune is until they can go run it hard with some data to compare.

Throw a 150 shot of squeeze, on slicks and Brett should run 10.90's.

What kind of gearing do you have in that trans in 1st and second?

Just for comparison my

first is 2.42X4.11=9.9 overall gearing

2nd is 1.41X4.11=5.84 overall gearing



Brian,
FYI
TH400 2.48 x 4.11 = 10.1928 2.48/1.48/1
TH350 2.52 x 4.11 = 10.3572 2.52/1.52/1

What kind of gearing do you have in that trans in 1st and second?

Just for comparison my

first is 2.42X4.11=9.9 overall gearing

2nd is 1.41X4.11=5.84 overall gearing


I am running trick springs in the back with 3 way shocks set on rock hard, 3 ways up front set on full soft. Along with 275/60/15 tires out back on15X8s on the cragars.

Do you have sandbags back there? I know my chevelle is feels super light in the rear while driving around even though the shocks tell me other wise.

By all means that would be awsome if you ran some 12s on street tires, maybe if you have bad 60fts you can still pick it up on the top end. You have a good amount more compression, more cam, more head....I guess those headers might be hurting low end...maybe thats why

Brian, Here is tko gearing.

1st 2.87x3.73= 10.705 overall
2nd 1.89x3.73= 7.05 overall

Not sure how important this gearing comparison is considering you have a large stall converter and I am running a clutch.

I am not running sandbags and perhaps you are right that the 2" mondo headers are hurting my torque, but I am still surprised how good my traction actually is. Also I am then squeezing my exhaust down to 2.5" and flowcrapper 40's. :sad: With new headers will come some magnaflows and 3" pipes dumped before the rear. :hurray:

Brian, Here is tko gearing.

1st 2.87x3.73= 10.705 overall
2nd 1.89x3.73= 7.05 overall

Not sure how important this gearing comparison is considering you have a large stall converter and I am running a clutch.

I am not running sandbags and perhaps you are right that the 2" mondo headers are hurting my torque, but I am still surprised how good my traction actually is. Also I am then squeezing my exhaust down to 2.5" and flowcrapper 40's. :sad: With new headers will come some magnaflows and 3" pipes dumped before the rear. :hurray:

I ran with 2 1/2" Flowcrappers and did all right. I never got to see the diiference with my cutouts.

Frank, I bet you would have picked up another .1 and easily 2-3 MPH if you didn't have the 2 1/2 and flowcrappers. Just another item that shows your motor does have great HP, just tuning the complete combo in to use it all. That engine would run 10's in my lighter nova.

Brett I was thinking that your 2nd gear might have less total gearing than mine making it harder to break the tires free. If you get that beast over to Bremerton Ill let you try my carb on there, but dont tell the other guys they might be jealous:D. It is a pro systems 1000hp 4150. Jetted 80/86 no pv in the rear.

What are you running for a carb now?

I agree Darryl I think Bretts combo should be in the high 11s dialed in..lets say 11.79-90 @ 115 the higher mph because of the manual trans.

Also my car did pickup going from 2 1/2 with flows to open headers went from 106 to 110.3mph. But it still punished the tires with the old exhaust.

Brett I was thinking that your 2nd gear might have less total gearing than mine making it harder to break the tires free. If you get that beast over to Bremerton Ill let you try my carb on there, but dont tell the other guys they might be jealous:D. It is a pro systems 1000hp 4150. Jetted 80/86 no pv in the rear.

What are you running for a carb now?

I agree Darryl I think Bretts combo should be in the high 11s dialed in..lets say 11.79-90 @ 115 the higher mph because of the manual trans.

Also my car did pickup going from 2 1/2 with flows to open headers went from 106 to 110.3mph. But it still punished the tires with the old exhaust.

I'm running an 850DP. I will have to go look but I am running mondo jets. We started at Darryls jet size that he used on his 427. This was way too lean and required about 8 jet sizes larger if I remember correctly. Thanks for the permission to borrow your carb, I was thinking maybe I should first try Marks Q-jet. :D

Back to the traction though, something must be special about my combo. With the 350 I would have to power brake to get them to break loose or do a mondo clutch dump. Yet George, with a 350 and 70 Camino has a very hard time getting traction. What is so different here? Dont get me wrong I'm not complaining, just confused. :confused: If the track is as sticky as you guys say, I think I am going to be ok traction wise. Still gonna upgrade to street legal slicks though, my 1st gear traction issues+poor driving will surely kill my 60ft times. :yes:

If I ever broke into the 11's I would be very happy. For comparison purposes lets just say my 468 is identical to Franks. If Frank is running 12.24 and that is with a Muncie and 3.31's, I would think that with a Tremec, slicks, better exhaust, 3.73's, I should be able to run 12's or faster.

Ok just put my collector car plates on in ~4-5" of snow and checked my jet box. I am running 81's and 84's. Think that I need to increase the secondary jet? I have it set so my plugs are chocolate brown but I still may be lean on secondaries. What do the experts think, how can you tell without dyno time+O2 sensors? :confused:

Darryl, No NOS! :noway:

PS: I plan on running chassis dyno when I get back to Seattle and get some $. Frank, how much did it cost to run on that dyno in Monroe last summer? Was it helpful?

PS: I plan on running chassis dyno when I get back to Seattle and get some $. Frank, how much did it cost to run on that dyno in Monroe last summer? Was it helpful?

Brett- The guys I used in Arlington charged me a $80 instead of $100 for 3 pulls since I had that thing pretty well dialed in. My A/F mixture was dead on at 13 @ WOT. The guy really seamed to know what he was doing.
...and I don't know the jet sizes on my Quick Fuel 850...:noway:
I'll check when I pull my heads...or sooner if it helps.

$100 with tuning is something I might just be able to do!

re lack of traction
With the modest runner size of the 305 heads, somewhere around 10:1 CR, small cam, I am making some torque down low. No doubt a tired rear suspension and 'hard' older TA 255/50 radials are contributing factors. Newer wider tires would work like Brett has.....might help along with my chassis upgrades. Brett should have ZERO launch with the power he packs with street tires.

$100 for three pulls? Sweet!

I typically bring my holley tuning kit with me to the track, jet that thing for best MPH and you know whats making the most power, I think I have 80-90 size jets.

You will have plunty of runs on a Friday at Bremerton.

I typically bring my holley tuning kit with me to the track, jet that thing for best MPH and you know whats making the most power, I think I have 80-90 size jets.

You will have plunty of runs on a Friday at Bremerton.

With a manual though, how do you know your not just launching or shifting crappy? I doubt I am going to be Loader style consistent. :noway: Maybe if he lends me his glove though! :yes:

With a manual though, how do you know your not just launching or shifting crappy? I doubt I am going to be Loader style consistent. :noway: Maybe if he lends me his glove though! :yes:

You have to pay attention, that's how. What I mean is pay attention to what RPM you launch the car, where you shift, etc. It took me lotsa runs before I was launching consistently with DRs. I'm going to get a shift light to help me shift at a consistent RPM. The Jegster bars and the 373s should get my 60' times down as well. As it is now, all the improvement in my car is from the 1/8th to the 1/4. I've got to fix the start to 1/8th now.

You'll have to ask Mike about the glove but who knows where that things been:eek:

You have to pay attention, that's how. What I mean is pay attention to what RPM you launch the car, where you shift, etc. It took me lotsa runs before I was launching consistently with DRs. I'm going to get a shift light to help me shift at a consistent RPM. The Jegster bars and the 373s should get my 60' times down as well. As it is now, all the improvement in my car is from the 1/8th to the 1/4. I've got to fix the start to 1/8th now.

You'll have to ask Mike about the glove but who knows where that things been:eek:

So now more truth comes out:noway::noway:
Sounds like you have something up your sleeve also;)

So now more truth comes out:noway::noway:
Sounds like you have something up your sleeve also;)

You guys are the perfect grudge match. Really wish Mark wasnt leaving. I could see you guys racing heads up all summer.

With a manual though, how do you know your not just launching or shifting crappy? I doubt I am going to be Loader style consistent. :noway: Maybe if he lends me his glove though! :yes:

I'd be happy to let you feel the "force." The glove is sacred and has always been kept in a warm place. :D

Like Mark said, you'll be fine in no time with practice. I think the biggest mistake people make is failing to get serious and concentrate, following the same routine everytime. Hey as young as you are, your muscle memory adapts more quickly than us old guys. :thumbsup:

Yeah Brett listen to Mike, after a couple passes its pretty easy to put the older guys to shame at the tree.:D

Well I better go run for cover now.

Yeah Brett listen to Mike, after a couple passes its pretty easy to put the older guys to shame at the tree.:D

Well I better go run for cover now.

I been watchin' you. The Red Rocket's 396 is gettin' a new bumpstick and fuel system. Gonna tune up on the dyno to maximize power. This year I'm going to run on slicks. Imagine Radical! I've run the car with the factory GM cam long enough. Time to play with you youngstas!:yes:

See what happens when I say something dumb it comes back to haunt me. But that is very cool to hear Mike, going to a roller? That factory cam is good and all but I know there is power to be found with the new grinds out there.

Please tell me you caged that thing and we can go heads up next season:hurray: Would definitely sound cool at the line with two cars up against the limiter launching.:D

No on the roller Brian, solid flat tappet. Remember I'm old, gotta stick to some thing simple. LUN 402A7 F10 .612 .630, 288/296=Nasty. Pulling the motor to fix an annoying little oil leak. Going to put in new clutch disc. Like you said, it'll be fun to see the difference between '67 cam and something newer.

Oh yea! they'll sound good at the line on the limiter.:yes:

Looks like a serious grind there Mike!!!:thumbsup:

No on the roller Brian, solid flat tappet. Remember I'm old, gotta stick to some thing simple. LUN 402A7 F10 .612 .630, 288/296=Nasty. Pulling the motor to fix an annoying little oil leak. Going to put in new clutch disc. Like you said, it'll be fun to see the difference between '67 cam and something newer.

Oh yea! they'll sound good at the line on the limiter.:yes:

Jesus, thats a larger grind that I have in my 496.

Very nice Mike, thats a older grind but very potent. A Harold cam from lunati. I am pretty sure a guy on here runs one in his 427 and has gona 11.60s with nothing else special going on. You might be needing a roll cage.:thumbsup:

Jesus, thats a larger grind that I have in my 496.

IIRC per UD harold, Largest cam you can run on the street in an L78 motor.

You have to understand, I drive my car around town to play the pipes in preparation for a trip to Bremerton. Return to garage, repeat,.....as many times as necessary to make it till I go to the track and race with friends and TCNW buddies.

Seriously though Kyle, I have no need to drive the car for anything other than entertainment. When I built this motor, people tried to talk me into going with a more modern and powerful cam. But, I wanted to see how it performed with the original cam, like it would have in '67. With that done, I want see what the same motor does with this other cam. Just gonna have fun!

Very nice Mike, thats a older grind but very potent. A Harold cam from lunati. I am pretty sure a guy on here runs one in his 427 and has gona 11.60s with nothing else special going on. You might be needing a roll cage.:thumbsup:

No cage Brian, I might have to backstroke a little :D. I think true slicks would be enough to make a huge difference for my stick car, but I've wanted to change cams for a while.

That is going to be some fun seeing how much of a change just going the cam makes.

What slicks are you going to now vs what did you have before?

By the way if we are gona have some big events where we all take pictures I think you and I should remove the rubber off our lower quarter panels from the previous event, I seem to remember us both having that the last meeting of the year:D

Brian, I have only run on drag radials, which are said by some to be the wrong tire for optimum stick car performance. I haven't decided which tire I will use.

That's funny, my car still has the rubber on it from the last time we saw each other. Kinda like never washing the "glove.":D

Haha that is funny

The only thing I have seen that people dont like to run slick wise with sticks are the newer radial style like mine(which is a true slick...not a radial slick)...supposedly they dont like the transbrake either but with my wimpy motor they hook. I am pretty sure what I am talking about and what you used to run are different things.

Some gold sided goodyears in the biggest size you can fit bias ply would be great. Or maybe some MT ET drag slicks.

When my current slicks die out, I am switching to the new hoosier DOT drag radials, oh I can only imagine not having to swap tires at the track. I might actually be nice.:D

Haha that is funny

The only thing I have seen that people dont like to run slick wise with sticks are the newer radial style like mine(which is a true slick...not a radial slick)...supposedly they dont like the transbrake either but with my wimpy motor they hook. I am pretty sure what I am talking about and what you used to run are different things.

Some gold sided goodyears in the biggest size you can fit bias ply would be great. Or maybe some MT ET drag slicks.

When my current slicks die out, I am switching to the new hoosier DOT drag radials, oh I can only imagine not having to swap tires at the track. I might actually be nice.:D

I want to run something DOT so I can run CCC on Saturday at Bremerton. Alot of tires available that ARE basically a slick with lines.

Loader, I am excited to see it this summer, sounds like its gonna be quite the transformation. Hows that wagon project coming along? Or maybe I should ask, have you started it? ;)

Darryl,
If you want to try my Hoosier DR's they are 275x50x15's
They are basically a slick with two grooves

[QUOTE=66 Buick Special;1644612]Darryl,
If you want to try my Hoosier DR's they are 275x50x15's
They are basically a slick with two grooves[/QUOTE

I think they are too short (26" right?), I need a minimum 28 tall. Already turning a zillion RPM's with 28's

Appreciate the offer. :D

I am probably going to buy what Frank is running. I think the are MT E/T streets right Frank? You like them?

I am probably going to buy what Frank is running. I think the are MT E/T streets right Frank? You like them?

They are horrible...Tooo sticky. I ran them at about 17lbs and never spun them. They are actually MT E/T Drags with no tubes.

They are horrible...Tooo sticky. I ran them at about 17lbs and never spun them. They are actually MT E/T Drags with no tubes.

Can they be tooo sticky? :confused: Those are street legal drag tires though right? If thats not what I should get, what do you recommend? My only requirement is that I can drive them on the street and they handle/hook well. :beers:

Can they be tooo sticky? :confused: Those are street legal drag tires though right? If thats not what I should get, what do you recommend? My only requirement is that I can drive them on the street and they handle/hook well. :beers:

Yes they can be too sticky, especially with a manual. I know you've got the upgraded axles and if you have the same driveshaft and Ujoints I've got with the tremec kit, you should be covered there. How's you clutch and flywheel? If you dead hook with a stick, you'll find the weakest link in your ride real fast. I don't have the axles, suspension, clutch, scattershield, or flywheel to run real sticky tires, at least not yet:)

Or you could throw an auto in there, get the biggest stickiest tire that fits. Put the throttle on the floor and see what happens.

Or ya could run F-70/15 Goodyear Speedway Wide Tread Redlines lke the RatVette and get the guaranteed 2-turn spin then launch. I wonder what the 2-turn spin is in seconds....
Guys run high 10s on them is Factory Appearing Street Tire action....go figure with 500" stroker engines and ported ext manifolds...my take on this is retard the heck outa their "stock-sounding" but trick cams to kill the bottom end power and practice, practice, practice!

With a clutch dump though could they really dead hook? I am thinking even with street legal slicks they are going to slip a little, they cant be as good as drag slicks. I have an 11" mcleod clutch and pressure plate, scattershield, and mcleod flywheel. I think the clutch/pp are good to 650 ft lbs. I cant imagine the clutch giving, the trans braking, or an axle. This would mean the tire would give a tiny spin and launch right?

With a clutch dump though could they really dead hook?


:yes::yes::yes:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j173/flink69SS/000_1203.jpg

Frank, I thought ahead of time before I put a big 468 in my car and think I am slightly more prepared than you were when that happened. I'm not criticizing your method, "dont fix it if it ain't broke", but you and everyone could see something failing in your combination in the near future. I also think those axles have seen their fair share of "stress testing". ;) Question is, whats next after you upgrade the axles? Trans? ujoints? Clutch?

I installed a 12 bolt with superior axles, richmond gears, and eaton posi. The tremec is stronger than a muncie and I have an aftermarket driveshaft with larger spicer U-joints(is it 1350 or 1310 Mark?). 11" strong clutch/pp, scattershield, sfi approved flywheel. I am expecting tire slip or maybe clutch slip hopefully before I break an axle or anything else. I think I have installed what is necessary at these power levels, if not someone tell me what I am missing. :yes:

So what should I get for mostly street driving with better traction? From what I have read I think the ET Radial Tire is the way to go.

ET Street radial tires?
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MTT%2D3754R&N=700+4294923107+4294921520+400206+4294793325+4294 904708+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mtt-3754r_w.jpg

BF G-force radial tires?
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=BFG%2D54462&N=700+4294923107+4294921520+400073+4294793325+4294 904708+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/bfg-54462_w.jpg

MT ET street bias ply tires?
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MTT%2D3754&N=700+4294923107+4294921520+400206+4294793325+4294 854870+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mtt-3757.jpg

Do NOT get the BFGs, wish I could help more than that.

Why dont you guys just run what Darryl runs with his 69 10 sec 4 speed chevelle?

I know a couple guys that run the ET Street Radials and they hook but there soft so if you intend to drive them on the street, they'll wear fast.
I planned exactly the way I wanted to go. The MT Sportsman for the street and occasional 1/8 mile run. I hadn't planned on shooting for 11's with a driver but it sure was fun. Tranny's been recently rebuilt, Centerfoce DF Clutch and pressure Plate, performance drive shaft, New Yukon axels soon and spider gears. It should be plenty strong for street driving.

I ran 28-10.5-15 slicks on a 8 inch rim,,,,4 BS. 4.5 BS is good too.

Frank, the wearing down would get kinda old. Sounds like your new setup should work well, pretty similar to what I have. The MT Sportsman tires are street legal and not as soft? I dont really want to have another set of wheels and tires, but if I have to I will. Guess I'll keep my eyes open on CL for some cheapy drag tires and wheels.

So Frank, Are you recommending these? How do they handle on the street?
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MTT%2D6546&N=700+4294923107+4294793325+4294854858+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mtt-6546.jpg

Brett,
You forgot about these!
They've been getting good reviews at the track.. not sure about street driving.
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/hoo-17310.jpg

Brett,
You forgot about these!
They've been getting good reviews at the track.. not sure about street driving.


And those are? Can barely read them, hoosiers? Are bias bad on the street? I want radials if I am driving on the street right? How about we answer that first, that will narrow the search way down... Bias or Radial?

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO%2D17601&N=700+4294921520+4294793325+4294854870+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/hoo-17606_w.jpg

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO%2D17110&N=700+4294921520+4294793325+4294904708+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/hoo-17110.jpg

Here are the ones you recommend:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOO%2D17317&N=700+4294921520+4294793325+4294904708+115&autoview=sku
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/hoo-17310.jpg

Do NOT get the BFGs, wish I could help more than that.

Why dont you guys just run what Darryl runs with his 69 10 sec 4 speed chevelle?

Whats wrong with the BFGs???

Brett,
here is what Summit says about the Hoosiers I'm running at the track:

Hoosier D.O.T. Drag Radial Tires
Get your vehicle hooked up at the race track.

These Hoosier D.O.T. drag radial tires meet the Department of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only. They feature a special compound to provide good traction, making them perfect for classes that require a street-legal style tire. The D.O.T. drag radials are not intended for street use, or for use on public roads.

Obviously not something for the street, sorry.
I'm running 255x70x15 BFG T/A's on the rear for the street to get the 29" tall gearing to help tame the 3.90 gears while racing with 26" Hoosiers to "be all I can be" at the track.:yes:

Kevin,
Most guys have better luck from what I've read with the M/T's and Hoosiers compared to the BFG DR's.
Your results may vary.

Kevin,
Most guys have better luck from what I've read wit hthe M/T's and Hoosiers compared to the BFG DR's.
Your results may vary.

X2

From what I have been reading I really dont want to dead hook so some spin will be fine with me.I will just need to play with tire pressure and launch RPM.

I searched but am not finding much on whether I want RADIAL or BIAS for street. Anything I did find said go radial.

Kevin,
Most of the guys with manual trans aren't complaining about deadhooking with drag radials... just the opposite.

For the street the radial will handle way better. If your chassis works well it will be ok with the manual trans but when a radial looses traction, it REALLY looses traction. A bias will still keep going and be manageable.

Here's an example: In circle track, you can drive through a loose condition and use your foot to drive through it but a radial will run to the edge of adheasion and when it exceeds the limits, you're going around.

A bias will launch quicker will a little traction loss than a radial but in a dead hook situation the radial will react quicker and be better. In perfect no slip traction.

Kevin,
Most of the guys with manual trans aren't complaining about deadhooking with drag radials... just the opposite.

I guess anything will be better than 14" TAs:thumbsup:

Brett,

You are not going to get the best of both worlds. The MT streets are radials and you can run them on the street but they are NOT designed to be on a DD. The MT Drags are bias ply and you're running radials on your front, are you not? The Hoosier's say drag radial and also say not designed for highway driving. See where I'm going with this?

The track is a lot more unforgiving than the street when it comes to tires.(I'll show you the video and timeslips:() I recommend you find a cheap set of rims and change tires at the track, you should have plenty of room in the back to haul them. I was VERY lucky (thanks Mike) to get a pair of donated rims and bought the MT drag radials and found them to be consistent. I'm real curious to see how Greg likes the Hoosier DRs.

You have A LOT of motor and you're going to need A LOT of tire to get to hook. JMHO

Whats wrong with the BFGs???

Not a damn thing, please run them when we race:D

Not a damn thing, please run them when we race

That's funny right there!:D

Not a damn thing, please run them when we race:D


Ya know Mark I may just run my 14 " TAs and spank ya with them just to make you feel bad.

I second that you get another set of wheels and tires and just swap at the track. As long as you can handle the heckling from the other guys, that usually stops once you destroy them at the line :D.

haha I will always have my jack, stands, tools with me and you can use them if you want to. Trust me fitting two 30" slicks in the trunk is alot harder for me than jsut throwing them in the bed of your truck:thumbsup:

But one thing is I would like to ask of the TCNW members that we dont pit where we normally do. On fridays it doesnt matter where you pit so why not right behind the staging lanes on the cement and not in the dirt?

Ya know Mark I may just run my 14 " TAs and spank ya with them just to make you feel bad.

Yep, you should do that:thumbsup:

Hey Mark what are you running for tires???

Mark is gona be running these for your heads up race.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa50/468Brian/SD530048.jpg

Mark is gona be running these for your heads up race.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa50/468Brian/SD530048.jpg


OK now Im scared.:(

Ok well looks like I will just have to run street tires until I can save up money. Unless someone can lend me theirs for a race... :pout: Maybe I will get lucky and Frank will break something else. Then he wont need his tires. :D

Ok well looks like I will just have to run street tires until I can save up money. Unless someone can lend me theirs for a race... :pout: Maybe I will get lucky and Frank will break something else. Then he wont need his tires. :D

Brett, glad you mentioned that. Frank, I still have you covered on those axles. Just need to arrange getting them to you. We need a Brett tire fact thread.:yes:

Maybe one of the south end guys coming to Bens could bring them along?

I have the set of BFG drag radials (275/60/15) on 8 1/5 inch aluminum slots you could use that were on the laguna but I don't think the offset will work. More than welome to drop by and check.

Went 255/50/15 (shorter than above by 2' ) Nitto Drag radials to use the gear better. It has 3.73's and we were looking to get the trap RPM's slightly higher.

Hey Mark what are you running for tires???

275/50/15 M/T Streets:thumbsup:

Mark is gona be running these for your heads up race.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa50/468Brian/SD530048.jpg

I don't have the power to turn them:(

But I'll take the axles:D

Think they would fit?

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa50/468Brian/SD530006.jpg

Hell yeah they'd fit!! Now just need to get the SFI steel flywheel purchased and my scattershield out of the trunk and on the motor and I'm good to go!!

Unfortunatly, I'd have a bulletproof driveline and no power:(

Hey Darryl, got a minute?:D

Brian, are those rust spots or is that where the rubber has eaten through the quarter panel?

Those would be rust spots. That piece you see missing from the rear lower quarter is actually a chunk of bondo that came off when I was rolling the lip of the fender to make sure I didnt have any issues with rubbing. I havent done anything with the body and its just like I got it when I was in HS. Once the interior is done it will be the only thing left to work on so I guess I will tackle that.

The lower quarters on both sides along with the trunk are the worst, I might have lower rear fender rust that has been covered up also, I am not too worried about it right now. It looks decent from 20 feet which is alot less than I am ususally beating the guy down the track by:D

Ok well looks like I will just have to run street tires until I can save up money. Unless someone can lend me theirs for a race... :pout: Maybe I will get lucky and Frank will break something else. Then he wont need his tires. :D

Brett- Mine are 26 x10 x15 with either 3 1/2 or 4" back space. Stop by on your way down and feel free to borrow them.

Brett, glad you mentioned that. Frank, I still have you covered on those axles. Just need to arrange getting them to you. We need a Brett tire fact thread.:yes:

Mike- I haven't forgotten you, just way too busy to get down to meet up.
I just need to plan a morning when I can meet you in Renton. Thanks again.

Brett- Mine are 26 x10 x15 with either 3 1/2 or 4" back space. Stop by on your way down and feel free to borrow them.



Mike- I haven't forgotten you, just way too busy to get down to meet up.
I just need to plan a morning when I can meet you in Renton. Thanks again.

Frank, my trucks are no longer hauling to Renton. They are however going up as far as exit 127, then turning towards Puyallup, heading to the log yard in Buckley. Where's George? He could meet one on Friday and bring them to Ben's. Come in George! If he's as squared away as MARK, the part transfer won't cost my driver more than a minute or two.:D He's retired, he has nothing better to do!

Anyone looking for me?
WED evening and the Elky is still in the shop......
Mike, I sent ya my cel # PM
Call me THURs sometime or THURs AM if someone is coming to I-5/I-512 THURs

Anyone looking for me?
WED evening and the Elky is still in the shop......
Mike, I sent ya my cel # PM
Call me THURs sometime or THURs AM if someone is coming to I-5/I-512 THURs

You have a PM, good buddy:D