They are doing a heads up, all out type race where there is no time slips, no score boards, or even track prep...1st to the finish wins. Pretty much like pinks all out. They'll have four diff classes. Click here for the details. (http://beaversprings.com/)

I'll be in the N/A class (unless I make the quick 8 of the night). I don't know of any cars that run there that will be faster than me on the motor...so they'll be in trouble! :D I will be much quicker than the 9.65 in my sig too....;)

Also, all cars must be street leagal...and driven through the gate, but there is sort of an exception to that...Check the link.


ON EDIT:

Here are all the rules right from the site:



Heads Up - Flat Out - First to the finish
No Time Slips No Scoreboards


RULES ARE SIMPLE
Licensed, Inspected, Insured, Real paper work, Legal exhaust, DOT's
NO Trailers: All cars must be driven through the gate.
However, off site trailer parking at the Bean field for a $5.00 donation to DRAW.
When you sign in you'll get a tech card and a Post-a-note PINK SLIP.
The PINK SLIP is your ticket to compete in the Street Race portion of the event.

CLASSES: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
King Street: The 8 fastest cars of the night.
Hot Street: Any car with NOS, Turbo or Supercharger
Real Street: Any naturally aspirated car
Tuner Street: Sport Compacts, 4's, 6's FWD. Power adders are legal

GRUDGE RACES: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
You can grudge race anyone from 4:00 until 7:30 or you can just make as many passes as you want. The lanes are open for over three hours.

The STREET RACES: Racing for PINKS
No time slips - No scoreboards!!
All races are run on an "INSTANT GREEN" Tree, (Just like a traffic light), Heads up, flat out, first to the finish. When your class is called, you come to the staging lanes with your "PINK SLIP" stuck to the inside of your drivers window. You race a car and win, you take his PINK SLIP. You continue to race until you lose your PINK SLIP.
Last man standing is the winner.

KING STREET: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
King Street is a qualified field for the 8 fastest cars. The King Streets will be asked to top off their fuel tanks and meet at the gate to go for a 15 mile cruise to Middleburg and back. Hoods, trunks and gas caps will be sealed. Upon returning to the track they will draw a playing card and be paired for competition.
Then it's a shoot out to see who is the King Street of the race.

NO TRACK PREP:
Here is the great equalizer. There will be no track preparation. No VHT, No Gold Dust.
This is just like racing on the street. However, the track will be safe and kept clean. But, there is no additional traction aid applied during the event. If your car can hook on the street, you can win. It's a fact, more races are won on the starting line by a car that can hook up, than at the finish line in a car with horsepower.

AWARDS:
The Heads Up Stop Light Drags are all about fun. There is no cash awards.
The final 8 in each class will win awards ranging from Beaver Bucks, pizza's,
free passes, BSD merchandise to the coveted BSD Iron Tree trophy for the Champion.
"We know how to keep the fun in races. Keep the money out of it".
ENTRY FEES are only: $20 to compete. Spectators are only $5 each or $10 a carload.

The Beaver is the place to be:
You can't have a better time than being at the drags on Saturday night. It's a car show, it's a happening. And it's affordable. Only $10 a carload. Plus the food is good and the competition friendly. Meet your friends and make new ones. See you at the Beaver.
Now the big question, how many PINKS can you collect?

I will be much quicker than the 9.65 in my sig too....;)



Well, spill the beans. What have you changed?

Looks like fun!!!!!

Heck, the Beaver was a big challenge for the RAM racers this past summer WITH track prep. I can't imaging what it would be like without any prep.

Good luck getting your 632 down the track with zero track prep. Something like this, the one with the most power more than likely will not win. Less power, better chance to hook on a slick track.

Better get out the Visa card for one of these.

http://moretraction.com/

http://tc-ez.com/

http://www.msdignition.com/ignition_23_7531.htm

Better get out the Visa card for one of these.

http://moretraction.com/



$5K for traction control?? DAYUM!!! :eek:

I dont like running if there's no slip

Heck, the Beaver was a big challenge for the RAM racers this past summer WITH track prep. I can't imaging what it would be like without any prep.

Good luck getting your 632 down the track with zero track prep. Something like this, the one with the most power more than likely will not win. Less power, better chance to hook on a slick track.

Better get out the Visa card for one of these.

http://moretraction.com/

http://tc-ez.com/

http://www.msdignition.com/ignition_23_7531.htm Absolutely Todd. They tried the no track prep here and wrecked three cars before calling it last season. A lightweight car with a bad small block would probably be best. The SAM'S Camaro just went 8.759 @ 152.85 at HRP. C5R small block, 427 cu.in., ported heads, Jerico four speed, lots of gear, wheelie bars leaving at 5500 rpm. At the very least they would need the MSD 7531 ignition box to control timing. The Davis unit would be better.

I dont like running if there's no slip Me either, besides how do you know if you went fast or not with no slip, they tore them in half here and gave each racer his half. Kind of boring for a spectator though, like watching grass grow.

Well, spill the beans. What have you changed?

A few suspension changes, diff tires and diff gears. Should make for a low 9 sec combo on a GOOD track... if not hi 8's.

On a non-prepped track it shouldn't take that quick of a run to win, but you never know these days...

The way I look at it though, Beaver doesn't do the greatest track prep in the world in the 1st place, so this race might not be that different lol.

sounds like fun. :thumbsup:

Sounds interesting except for no track prep. Might as well be on a city street.... :(

Our track did the same thing last year...sorta. They resurrected the "true radial" class. Oh yeah the track was prepped, but it might as well not have been. I think I managed a 7.37 1/8th and 11.25 1/4 mile on a true street tire. I finished 3rd in the only race I competed in.

If this is the direction things are going and it happens around here, that will be the end of my track days. To me Pinks is doing nothing but hurting drag racing.

Might as well be racing on the rural roads if that is going to happen.

And heads up puts a whole new slant on building a combination.

Up here we have one day at the track called "Power to the Pavement" which does have a "loose" class structure where you run what "ya brung" and has to be licensed and registered. With my Beaumont I end up trying to run against similar class cars/trucks/jeeps that run a second quicker, so there is not much point to going out. Depending on the luck of the draw you may get a round or two before you get to a much quicker car.

So put some window doors back on the Chevy II, mufflers, wipers, DOT tires, some 3.25 gears and posi, etc etc and it is back to pro street cruising. Glad it is still a pump gas motor!

Absolutely Todd. They tried the no track prep here and wrecked three cars before calling it last season. A lightweight car with a bad small block would probably be best. The SAM'S Camaro just went 8.759 @ 152.85 at HRP. C5R small block, 427 cu.in., ported heads, Jerico four speed, lots of gear, wheelie bars leaving at 5500 rpm. At the very least they would need the MSD 7531 ignition box to control timing. The Davis unit would be better.

davis is a joke for that price, if you know how to set the slew in a msd 7531 is is deadly!:yes:

If this is the direction things are going and it happens around here, that will be the end of my track days. To me Pinks is doing nothing but hurting drag racing.

Might as well be racing on the rural roads if that is going to happen.



It's not like this is what drag racing is "coming to"...it's just something extra that they are throwing in a couple times a year. If it's not for you, then don't go to the track that day...;)

Dustin,

That will be a lot of fun. We have heads up street legal drags once a month at the 1/8 mile track I race at. It's a blast. Evening races. Of course, we only have about 40-60 cars show up, so you can take runs all night long! I got ten runs in one night. They don't prep the track much anyway, plus it's 1/8 mile, and the cars aren't that fast. For legitimate street cars, low 8s will put you at the top, though once in a while a guy shows up who runs 7.40s. There are some guys who have "street legal" rides that run in the 6s. But they're basically race cars.

They have the rule that you have to drive it in. So then some unloaded at the gas station near by. So then they said you couldn't do that. It's always a challenge. But everyone knows a real street car when they see it.

Crappy track prep is part of the challenge, right? Plus, at least at my track, I get to spank a lot of imports. (And my car isn't even that fast, only 8.08)

Like you say, it's just one more thing that tracks are doing to bring people in and have a good time. How can someone complain about more racin'? A lot more specators show up for the street legal drag night than for the bracket races. Too bad there aren't more muscle cars, though.

it's great...
it's the way the street racers want it..
all you need is a win light..
but only the big money cars will win..
as the slower cars don't have a chance..
to bad they can't come up with a computer program.. that track say your two time tryals..
and pit like speed (et) cars together ..so the slower cars have a chance at more runs at the race,, but still not showing their cards by a timing tower board and/or a dial in posted on the car..
this would get more cars in the door.. and still let street racers ,race with out "telling the world" what their car can run..
only the computer program would know the cars times...
that make a heads up week end apeal to more than the cubic dollars crowd..

At our track they have two classes sometimes. Something like under 9 seconds and over 9 seconds, for the 1/8. So you really get some street cars and mom and pop cruisers in the over 9 second class. But it's fun and more competitive that way.

Sounds like the Bounty races that have been going on in Crossville for the last couple of years.Heads up,Pro tree,no times,first to the finish line wins,but with track prep.Hard to control a 2000 hp.3200 lb,+ car with no track prep,on a 10" tire.
The only beef I have with it,is here,they ARE NOT driven to the track,or forced to make a cruise to justify the term, "Street Car".The way I see it,anyone can buy tags for a "Race Car "or "Borrow",them from a doner car if needed.And,I'd love to see how much insurance would cost for a tube framed,25.1 cert.chasis,street car.:yes:

But,I don't make the rules,or race by them,cause I own a "Real Street Car."Nice '67 at the top of the page, on the link ,though.:thumbsup:

Hopefully when they see that some of the small tire, "fast" cars can't hook, they'll prep the track a bit. But like I mentioned earlier, they aren't real great a track prep in the 1st place and some real fast cars still get down the track. So maybe it won't be that bad...idk.

If it's not for you, then don't go to the track that day...;) I didn't attend either of these street races last year. Glad i missed the second one where they crashed three cars. I really don't like demolition derby or crashes of any kind in the first place. After the cars get below mid nines they need all the bite they can get. My son's spins real bad on an unprepped track.

I didn't attend either of these street races last year. Glad i missed the second one where they crashed three cars. I really don't like demolition derby or crashes of any kind in the first place. After the cars get below mid nines they need all the bite they can get. My son's spins real bad on an unprepped track.

I'll just pull a plug wire or two if I have to...:D

J/k, if my car can't make it down the track then I won't run it. But I'll def go try...

i like the idea. I dislike seeing 10-11 second cars with big tires, all the interior taken out, 4.56 gears etc etc, when you have vettes and porsches that can run 11s in stock form, on regular tires, and full interior trim.

to me, the idea of a hot rod is a car that can be fast and still be a daily driver, not a purpose built race car.

but to each his own

IMO if a car can't make it down an unprepped track safely, then it isn't a "street" car and this type of event isn't for them. It's for street cars, full/stock type interior, glass windows, no tubs, etc.

The other reason for this type of event is to get young people off the street and have them race at the track. I'm a high school teacher and I'm always amazed at the just plain stupid things that kids sometimes do (and I was no different when I was that age; I'm lucky I survived!). I hear kids talking about doing 130 in their dad's Cummins or other ridiculous things. Pretty scary.

I flat out tell them, go to the track. If you think your car is fast, bring it on down. It's only $25, which is a lot less than a racing fine and your insurance going through the roof. Or getting killed or killing someone else.

I don't mean any disrespect and I want everyone to enjoy their trips to the track, but I hope it don't go over too well. Don't want the idea to spread. It reminds me of our test and tune nights around here where everything is so secret. No boards posted, no times called out and timeslip torn down the center with just your numbers showing. Crap, my car is slower than most at the track and I don't care who knows, but I would still like to see some times on other cars. Too much hustling going on here. And no track prep? What is that? Sounds like less overhead for the operators. Will they use a tree or is that too much trouble? I'm sorry. Hope you have a good time.

Danny

I don't understand why some people think it's such a bad idea. It's not like they're replacing and bracket racing w/ it. It's just something extra 4 times a season meant to simulate street racing. Only this is safer and legal.

Besides, I'll take any kind of heads up racing over bracket racing any day...

To each his own.. :)

Besides, I'll take any kind of heads up racing over bracket racing any day...

I agree on the heads-up choice. I think that heads-up racing is more interesting for many of the fans too. Bracket racing can get pretty boring from a spectator's viewpoint. However, as far as these types of events being held w/out track prep, you gotta wonder about the motive of the track owners for a choice like that. It seems to me that they will be saving a substantial amount of money on the VHT traction compound as well as the man hours it takes to apply it, if these types of events really catch on and become very popular. It sure must require a large quantity of that stuff to prep an entire quartermile track every week. So I smell the greed factor somewhere in this one.

Our track in moroco.US41 had one this year.Or maybe 2 times.Basically they had some timing issues and just let people come in and heads up race.I can see something like this being good for some racers.It could be one of those things where whoever has the most money wins though.That is why it would have to be very small prize or just for bragging rights or you will get the guy who has the 30k engine and all the trick chassis parts sticking it in the race.It would get really tricky trying to determine what is a street car or not.I had a 65 nova that had a 71 style pinto front and alston rear chassis.It weighed 2600 with a 493 cubic inch bbc.I had it plated and insured and it ran 9.70s.AT the time which was the early 90s my only goal was to go as fast as I could afford.Now the low 11s and hopefully 10.90s this coming year feels alot better to me.Its a car that looks stock and doesnt have high dollar parts on it.I have 2k in the engine not counting carb and basic gm stuff everywhere else.Like someone said earlier you would definetly have to take the money out of it to make it a fun day..

A few weeks ago there was a post about how interest by young people in drag racing and muscle cars wasn't as high as it should be, and how the import/NOPI shows draw so many people. These street legal nights are a way to get people in the door and get them hooked.

The track prep issue is a non-issue to me, just as time slips, etc., are. They post times at our street legal night. They didn't used to , but they did give you your time slip and so you could see what the guy's time was who you just raced. If they prep the track, that's fine. Just as long as they are consistent and everyone knows what to expect.

I know that many of the people on this site are hard core racers, and so this type of event may not appeal much to them.

To me, racin' is racin', and the more the better. The crowd loves the heads up stuff.

How69 I dont thing young people are not interested I think its more along the lines of them not being able to afford to get into it.When I graduated in the early 80s I bought a very nice 69 ss chevelle for $1700.00.Its what got me into racing.One year later I bought a 68 camaro that a guy used in a stock class.It came with a 375 horse 396 with the 840 stlye heads.I paid 1800.00 for the car and a 1979 owens classic trailer.Its just so hard for someone to get into the racing scene anymore without going to the imports.You have guys who get into the collection of classic cars and Barret jackson and they run the price out of reach for the average guy.And just a dream for the young people who are just getting started.I was buying muscle cars for 500 and 1000 dollars back then.I bought a 69 camaro for 800.00 and it had just had quarters put on it and had a 12 bolt.It was just a roller but im just stating how the times have changed.Nowadays you either find a 80 style malibu or monty or you go import.What choice do the younger people have..

Here are all the rules right from the site:



Heads Up - Flat Out - First to the finish
No Time Slips No Scoreboards


RULES ARE SIMPLE
Licensed, Inspected, Insured, Real paper work, Legal exhaust, DOT's
NO Trailers: All cars must be driven through the gate.
However, off site trailer parking at the Bean field for a $5.00 donation to DRAW.
When you sign in you'll get a tech card and a Post-a-note PINK SLIP.
The PINK SLIP is your ticket to compete in the Street Race portion of the event.

CLASSES: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
King Street: The 8 fastest cars of the night.
Hot Street: Any car with NOS, Turbo or Supercharger
Real Street: Any naturally aspirated car
Tuner Street: Sport Compacts, 4's, 6's FWD. Power adders are legal

GRUDGE RACES: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
You can grudge race anyone from 4:00 until 7:30 or you can just make as many passes as you want. The lanes are open for over three hours.

The STREET RACES: Racing for PINKS
No time slips - No scoreboards!!
All races are run on an "INSTANT GREEN" Tree, (Just like a traffic light), Heads up, flat out, first to the finish. When your class is called, you come to the staging lanes with your "PINK SLIP" stuck to the inside of your drivers window. You race a car and win, you take his PINK SLIP. You continue to race until you lose your PINK SLIP.
Last man standing is the winner.

KING STREET: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
King Street is a qualified field for the 8 fastest cars. The King Streets will be asked to top off their fuel tanks and meet at the gate to go for a 15 mile cruise to Middleburg and back. Hoods, trunks and gas caps will be sealed. Upon returning to the track they will draw a playing card and be paired for competition.
Then it's a shoot out to see who is the King Street of the race.

NO TRACK PREP:
Here is the great equalizer. There will be no track preparation. No VHT, No Gold Dust.
This is just like racing on the street. However, the track will be safe and kept clean. But, there is no additional traction aid applied during the event. If your car can hook on the street, you can win. It's a fact, more races are won on the starting line by a car that can hook up, than at the finish line in a car with horsepower.

AWARDS:
The Heads Up Stop Light Drags are all about fun. There is no cash awards.
The final 8 in each class will win awards ranging from Beaver Bucks, pizza's,
free passes, BSD merchandise to the coveted BSD Iron Tree trophy for the Champion.
"We know how to keep the fun in races. Keep the money out of it".
ENTRY FEES are only: $20 to compete. Spectators are only $5 each or $10 a carload.

The Beaver is the place to be:
You can't have a better time than being at the drags on Saturday night. It's a car show, it's a happening. And it's affordable. Only $10 a carload. Plus the food is good and the competition friendly. Meet your friends and make new ones. See you at the Beaver.
Now the big question, how many PINKS can you collect?

How69 I dont thing young people are not interested I think its more along the lines of them not being able to afford to get into it.When I graduated in the early 80s I bought a very nice 69 ss chevelle for $1700.00.Its what got me into racing.One year later I bought a 68 camaro that a guy used in a stock class.It came with a 375 horse 396 with the 840 stlye heads.I paid 1800.00 for the car and a 1979 owens classic trailer.Its just so hard for someone to get into the racing scene anymore without going to the imports.You have guys who get into the collection of classic cars and Barret jackson and they run the price out of reach for the average guy.And just a dream for the young people who are just getting started.I was buying muscle cars for 500 and 1000 dollars back then.I bought a 69 camaro for 800.00 and it had just had quarters put on it and had a 12 bolt.It was just a roller but im just stating how the times have changed.Nowadays you either find a 80 style malibu or monty or you go import.What choice do the younger people have..

Joe,

I totally agree. My point is just that they aren't as into them because, like you say, they are expensive, at least if it's a Chevelle or Camaro. Nova's can be reasonable still.

I bought my 69 when I was in high school, in 1988. Paid $3,000 for it and it had Pontiac rims, but it was a real SS. Also had three burnt valves. But it ran 14.70s and was a blast.

The import or the newer cars are easier, too, since you can drive them all the time, they are more dual purpose cars. That's understandable.

Someone could barely get a rust bucket chevelle for $3,000, let alone a real SS like what I bought (though it had 120,000 miles and the engine was worn out).

Good points, Joe.

Sounds interesting except for no track prep. Might as well be on a city street.... :(

uhh - I think that's the point.
John

uhh - I think that's the point.
John

Exactly. :yes:

no track perep is the whole idea to bringing in the street racing crowd. "it's the equalizer":D;) and no clocks or slips mean peoples times cannot leak from someone in the tower... it has happened before :sad:

If this is the direction things are going and it happens around here, that will be the end of my track days. To me Pinks is doing nothing but hurting drag racing.

Sandy, how many spectators do you see at the weekly bracket races? Here there are almost none. Bring in some fast street cars, outlaw pro mods, or a Pinks event and the stands would be full. How can selling out 350 entries and filling the stands at a Pinks all out event be bad for drag racing? A lot of people I've seen competing at Pinks all out are bracket racers looking to break the monotany and have a chance to win $10,000. Hardly bad for drag racing.:noway: There will be more classes like this popping up because it is more fun to watch, and brings in more spectators.

I'm watching a Pinks all out right now at Bristol. The stands are absolutley full!

Damn, I just now took notice to this part...


KING STREET: No time slips - No scoreboards!!
King Street is a qualified field for the 8 fastest cars. The King Streets will be asked to top off their fuel tanks and meet at the gate to go for a 15 mile cruise to Middleburg and back. Hoods, trunks and gas caps will be sealed. Upon returning to the track they will draw a playing card and be paired for competition.
Then it's a shoot out to see who is the King Street of the race.



Guess I better take a bunch of fuel with!

That sounds like alot of fun. I think they hit the nail right on the head with no track prep, very small prizes and no timeslips. First, if you can't get your car down the track safely regardless of the "prep", don't bring it. From what I've read, I believe the intent of the event is to foster more fun street type racing on the track. I'm so sick of race cars with license plates coming to my track for "street car" events it's pathetic. Those losers need to get a life where they get some self esteem from somewhere other than trailering an 8 second car with a license plate to the gas station down the street to participate in an event that clearly is setup for REAL street cars. Second, with small prizes, the event becomes just about having fun, so hopefully the obsessive big dollar money seekers will not be attracted to it. No reason to have big dollar equipment when you're just trying to have fun. As far as the timeslips go, there's no reason to know what you or the guy next to you did timewise. It's for fun, you either crossed the line first or you didn't. Who really cares what you run as long as you have fun doing it.

Exactly. :yes:

Since they're down to no track prep how about "going from a roll"...... Sorry it's not drag racing. :noway:

How about making it even more interesting and spray the track with an antifreeze mist and see how many cars we can put on their tops. :D

Since they're down to no track prep how about "going from a roll"...... Sorry it's not drag racing. :noway:


Well, can't please everyone I guess...:(

Well, can't please everyone I guess...:( They wrecked THREE nice cars when they tried this at Tulsa. Those cars aren't nice now, they're torn to hell. This is a dumb idea no matter who has made it. Our local strip has held midnights for about 20 years and some shootouts during that time but only one with NO track prep and they crashed three cars before they realized how few people know how fast they can get into trouble, just like what happens when amaturers drive on ice. It's just not safe, no matter how you promote it. Just ask Bob West how fast things happen at 120 MPH and then add another 20 mph to that. You might have that promoter call Dan Guterman at "Tulsa Raceway Park" and ask him if he'd do it again.

This seems like there are going to be pros and cons to this.I like the idea because it will be truly a average guy average car street race.You see the over powererd under chassis cars on the edge of losing it all the time on good prepped tracks.Is this really a true drivable street car.This is strictly my opinion and I know everyone has their own and amen to that.But I like the idea of high 10 or eleven second street cars racing like this.These kind of cars will work on about any track and can be ran run after run without breakage.Lets face it you can get by with 500 horse or so with a decent working car and break the 11s.After the races you can drive them around town without worrying about you 30k engine,high dollar trans or spool giving out.This is the meaning of a true street car.I will be looking at doing this if they offer it again at our track this coming year.For me its like a class made for the cars I like.I know there are alot of opinions on this and there are alot of guys just flat out haulin on here so it just might not be your game.But I can see it being something that could get popular.Thanks to all the guys that responded to this thread it was very interesting reading your opinions and thoughts on this.

Harold, how many cars have you seen get loose and lose it on a well prepped track?? Probably just about every one you've ever seen except those three...right? Things can go very wrong under ANY conditions. It's not always the tracks fault.

I would prefer if they would prep the track but if they don't?....oh well I guess. Not my call. If my car refuses to go straight, I won't run it.

no track perep is the whole idea to bringing in the street racing crowd. "it's the equalizer":D;) and no clocks or slips mean peoples times cannot leak from someone in the tower... it has happened before :sad:

Sorry,but I don't know how fast the local street cars are there,but round here,high 5 sec.and low 6 sec.street cars are the norm.I used to hear everyone say that they had a 6 second street car,and think to myself,"they just don't know how fast that is."But,I guess they do now! Most guys let their wives or girlfriends drive their high 6,7 & 8 second cars while they,themselves,take out the big dawgs."And no track prep,What a joke."

Have you ever looked down a good race track and noticed how glossy the track is in the middle and to the finish line.Kinda looks like ICE.Now,imagine trying to get your high powered car down that.NO THANKS.And besides,I would dare to bet that for insurance reasons,the track would have to have some kind of adheasion work done.Dragging rubber or lightly glueing to the 330's,would almost be mandiatory.Slicks on lower powered cars would help carry the glue farther down the track,while street tires( NON RACING)seem to just make hooking worse.

And,if they are gonna race on a ladder,then who is to say who will get the "Buy Run "if no timmers are on.And there will eventually be "one"."Cars break,won't start,wreck,get loose,and although rarely,have flats;even at the track."Just turn the clocks off at the top end. That, and lock the tower door.Then only whoever sets the clocks is in there.Or you could run the tree from the starting line.But if something happens,who gets the buy?

And ,in a 18 car field,the second round will have 9 cars,the third will have5,then3,then2,see what I mean.Two cars at a time,who gets the "BUY"? Usually the fastest reaction time,does. There are many things to consider.It's not just racing for fun.It's Racing for money and a trophy...............No matter how small it is. GOOD LUCK.

Have Fun.,Eric.

Well they are running the tree. It's just that it will go right from the stage bulbs to green, no ambers. So they will probably still have rt's to decide bye runs...

Eric I think the no prep and the no money is the idea behind this thing.The more money you put up the bigger the cars get.I used to armwrestle professionaly up until 1995.If it was just a trophy tournament then you would have the local crowd nothing major.Now give away a couple hundred dollars and you got people coming from several states away.I think these events are just geared around the local crowd and by offering nothing but bragging right you keep it mostly a street car deal.Like you said nobody wants to take their high powered cars down a track that doesnt have Vht prep.This seems more like a getting back to the roots of the sport kind of thing....take care

Sorry I wanted to add a couple more things.I see so many different sides on this kind of racing and its real interesting.I have cut up alot of cars and junked some that I really wish I had now.Any more I really appreciate the muscle car and the lines and american craftsmanship that went into them.I guess im getting more and more into the purest kind of attitude.I think thats why I love the stock classes.You can look at the cars and of course they have alot of money in them but its something that you can actually relate to.That kind of why I like the idea of street style racing that they are offering at some tracks now.Its seems to be going back to the guy or gals that really use their cars.If you look at all the street and drag radial street tire classes now its just crazy.They are throwing several hundred thousand at these cars and its not even realistic to the average person.When I look on team chevelle and see guys with real world cars driving them and talking about how happy they are that they just got into the 11s or just broke in the 10s with their street cars I think its great.I mean nobody has a bigger smile than them at the track and they cant wait to cruise the car to the local hangout and talk about how it ran.To me thats a street car.

i dont get it. if your car is too powerful for a non-prepped track, why bring it??? there are many other days you can take the car to a prepped track and run. I think this is more for the 11-13 sec cars that dont have too much trouble with traction, and the occasional 9-10 sec guys who actually know how to drive a car and win even in not so optimal conditions.

Should be another interesting ricer burner event with loads of 15 to 17 second fart pipe equipped rides. :rolleyes:

Yeah there might be a lot fart pipe cars at that track that night but I like them there instead of sitting in my living room watching TV after they were racing on the street and ended up in my house out of control.

If your car is too fast on an unprepared surface bring your grocery getter 03 Impala or something. It is just as fun to race a car that is not as fast to me. Love beating up on the imports in my O3 Impala.

A mid to high eleven second car with grip will love a night like that. Cars faster than that might might lose control at half track. So if you don't have the driving skills or you think there might be a possibility of yourself crashing your pride and joy you don't need to be on the track with these guys on a night like that.

Besides it sounds like they have nights that cater to the more professional drivers that want a prepped track and be more safer for a faster vehicle. I don't think John Force would feel safe on a non-prepped track either then again he might bring a slower car out there and have some fun. I think that is what it is all about.

i dont get it. if your car is too powerful for a non-prepped track, why bring it??? there are many other days you can take the car to a prepped track and run. I think this is more for the 11-13 sec cars that dont have too much trouble with traction, and the occasional 9-10 sec guys who actually know how to drive a car and win even in not so optimal conditions. The bad thing about "this kind of race" is that the people who should "avoid it" are going to bring cars that are too fast to navigate the track under these conditions and they will wreck them trying to prove they can go down a crappy track. They have already tried this locally and totaled three nice cars. The drivers of these cars didn't go out with the idea of wrecking them, but it still happened. Kids have no sense of danger 'till after they have a wreck, if they survive. Several others that got out of shape and had enough sense to lift. Getting back in the gas after saving one is the worst mistake you can make.

Should be another interesting ricer burner event with loads of 15 to 17 second fart pipe equipped rides. :rolleyes: I kinda doubt they will be overrun by rice burners but it sounds like a really bad idea to me. My son's car has gone somewhat sideways on several occasions when trying to navigate a slick street. Merely cleaning the dust and grit that accumulates on any paved surface would help some. No track prep is S-T-U-P-I-D.

The bad thing about "this kind of race" is that the people who should "avoid it" are going to bring cars that are too fast to navigate the track under these conditions and they will wreck them trying to prove they can go down a crappy track. They have already tried this locally and totaled three nice cars. The drivers of these cars didn't go out with the idea of wrecking them, but it still happened. Kids have no sense of danger 'till after they have a wreck, if they survive. Several others that got out of shape and had enough sense to lift. Getting back in the gas after saving one is the worst mistake you can make.

you dont want to know what I think of a person who totals their race car for *bragging rights*. and you definitely dont want to know what I think of someone who did that and also went thru the trouble of registering, inspecting, and insuring it., and you surely dont want to know of what I think of a person who has their race car inspected, registered, and insurered, TRAILERS IT TO A GAS STATION NEARBY, and drives it in so he can race for bragging rights, only to crash the thing. :eek:

dummy wont begin to encompass my description of this guy.

i dont get it. if your car is too powerful for a non-prepped track, why bring it??? there are many other days you can take the car to a prepped track and run. I think this is more for the 11-13 sec cars that dont have too much trouble with traction, and the occasional 9-10 sec guys who actually know how to drive a car and win even in not so optimal conditions. Unfortunately the guys who "think" they can drive are the ones who will be there competing and the conditions are going to be bad, at best. The results were bad here when they promoted this idea at Tulsa. I "guarantee" they will prep it the next time.

Maybe we can talk them into prepping the track at least for the "King Street" guys (the 8 fastest cars there) because there will be 9 second cars there, I can almost guarantee it...

Man this is a good thread.I can see the arguments on both sides of this.I have a question for Harold Sutton.Harold Do you know how much horsepower or how fast the 3 cars that wrecked are capable of running.I mean a 1000 hp car on a 10 inch tire is probably asking for trouble at a event like this.Im in no way endorsing street racing but we did alot of it and I had my 9 second nova down the street quite a few times.It was the thing to do back then and alot of guys around here did it.Times have changed alot and if a track is willing to have events that are aimed at getting people off the street then I say go for it.Its seems like its going to be more like a structured street race.Only with safety equipment and no telephone poles to hit.There are always going to be people who think they can skate that 1000 hp car down a slippery track.What do you do with them.We had a guy around here that would chrome under his car and have it all painted up.They used to tease him because they said he was on his roof more than on all 4 so he wanted it to look good.I look forward to seeing how this tipe of event goes..have a good christmas all.

Man this is a good thread.I can see the arguments on both sides of this.I have a question for Harold Sutton.Harold Do you know how much horsepower or how fast the 3 cars that wrecked are capable of running.I mean a 1000 hp car on a 10 inch tire is probably asking for trouble at a event like this.Im in no way endorsing street racing but we did alot of it and I had my 9 second nova down the street quite a few times.It was the thing to do back then and alot of guys around here did it.Times have changed alot and if a track is willing to have events that are aimed at getting people off the street then I say go for it.Its seems like its going to be more like a structured street race.Only with safety equipment and no telephone poles to hit.There are always going to be people who think they can skate that 1000 hp car down a slippery track.What do you do with them.We had a guy around here that would chrome under his car and have it all painted up.They used to tease him because they said he was on his roof more than on all 4 so he wanted it to look good.I look forward to seeing how this tipe of event goes..have a good christmas all. Several were over a thousand. The turbo car that won the first one stayed home upon hearing of the no track prep idea. A really nice '68 Chevelle was a mid ten second car and it got loose at about the eighth mile, it was running in the right lane and went into the wall on the left side of the track at about 90 MPH, at about a 45* angle. It tore up the whole front end. Loss of control is directly related to how tight the torque converter is and how much torque you have.

Thought I would bump this one, it is interesting.

Looks like they changed the rules for this event. There will be full track prep to keep it safe! :thumbsup:

Looks like they changed the rules for this event. There will be full track prep to keep it safe! :thumbsup: That sounds much better. My son's car at the Clash race left heavy dark crooked stripes from about 500' to about 800' when the nitrous went to 100%, and that was with a prepped track. Somewhere around 120 mph to about 145 mph. It was running 135.65 at the eighth mile. The guy who won Drag week last year has run 7.6X @ 185 or there abouts and he drove it 1500 miles with no major problems. There are some really bad cars out there nowadays.

Looks like they changed the rules for this event. There will be full track prep to keep it safe! :thumbsup:

That's too bad.

Even though I'm NOT a big fan of "Beaver Bob", I could see what he was trying to accomplish. I'd have been completely on board with his format, but I would have brought a car that was alot slower than my fastest car, so I could deal with the track. Beaver sucks on a good day!:D

Beaver Bob was trying to take the REALLY BIG POWER cars out of the equation. I can understand that.

Once you glue the track, you may as well just hand the trophy to the real fast cars with the most spray or biggest blower.


I figure that if you try to get a 7-8 second car down an unprepped track, you're either going to buy an expensive lesson or get real proficient at tuning (or detuning ;)).

I think the original plan was solid.

He's going to allow side-betting, isn't he?


Randy

We have a local track that does flash light drags its run what you brung and hope its enough and ppl can pick who they wanna run.