What a joke it is going to be trying to buy one of the new Limited Edition Challengers. The dealer showed me the MSRP for the car, 37,895. plus $2,100 in Gas Guzzler Tax. I told him I would give a deposit for the car at the MSRP.
He said he wanted 10k on top of MSRP.

I would not really purchase one until I see the new Camaro. I prefer to stay with the General. But I thought it would be educational to see what the Dodge dealer would do.

These cars shouldn't even fall into the "Gas Guzzler" category unless they weren't on their game when they designed them. The new Zo6 puts out 505HP and gets 27 MPG on the highway. What's up with the Challenger?

What's up with the Challenger?Pork... it weighs over 4000lbs :eek:

What these dealers are doing just because of the popularity of a new model is upalling(sp) IMO. Chrysler should be doing a better job of enforcing this sort of price gouging IMO.

He said he wanted 10k on top of MSRP.


That's 10k right down the drain, IMO. Those who paid 10k on top of MSRP for their Mustang a couple of years ago would probably agree. Just wait a year or so and buy it at MSRP, they might even have the 1st gen. bugs worked out by then. ;)

That dealer plays with himself if he wants $10K over MSRP. $50K for that car is a little far out of reality. I'd rather spend $50K on a 1970 Challenger instead :) hint hint Tim :D :D.

Keep in mind the first new Challengers will be very limited production of a special model. The local dealer here says there will only be ONE available to each dealer, thus the outrageous markup. The next year is intended to be more mass produced.

At $50K your return on investment on a real 1970 is WAY better! And this coming from someone who wants the new one.

It only worth what you are willing to pay for it...IMO worthless for that amount of coin...
Now if you do buy one of thoses limited edition cars you better have it shipped to your climate controlled storage and leave it in your will for your next of kin and if your they are lucky it just might still be worth the same amount you over payed for it.....:sad:

anyone remember what the markup was for a PT cruiser? wonder what its worth now? jim

anyone remember what the markup was for a PT cruiser? wonder what its worth now? jim

Exactly. PT Cruiser and the VW Beetle were actually the first cars that came to mind when I read this thread. Now, the first ones are just used cars with no special value at all. It's amazing what people will spend (and lose) to be the first on the block with a new car model, just to see their trophy being yesterday's news in a few months. But as Brad said, put it up for 30-40 years, one day there might be a thread on a web forum somewhere, saying: "Look what I found in a barn!" :D

I heard all the 1st year Challengers are going to be automatics:sad: No thanks

That's 10k right down the drain, IMO. Those who paid 10k on top of MSRP for their Mustang a couple of years ago would probably agree. Just wait a year or so and buy it at MSRP, they might even have the 1st gen. bugs worked out by then. ;)

I agree...Heck for 40 something you can buy a C6 that gets over 30 mpg and knocks downs 12s all day.

Too bad these new musclecars wev'e been looking forward to will be priced out of the average car guy's budget.

I say wait til they have been out a yr or two and get a deal on a new one or let someone else pay the depreciation and buy used.

There will always be the ones who buy it dont put any miles on it thinking they have an "investment" :confused: and will take it in the shorts.

Pay less and thank them for "saving it" for you. :D

What these dealers are doing just because of the popularity of a new model is upalling(sp) IMO. Chrysler should be doing a better job of enforcing this sort of price gouging IMO.

i agree 100%.

as seen as mother mopar, can't afford to piss off customers...
I think.. dealers that do this will be the dealers that get the ax, as they downsize their dealership chains...
mopar and g.m. need to have these cars selling at a good clip.. neither one can afford a slow mover, after all the money put into them,in tooling and hype...
the first one's will always go for stupid money, bacause there's a fool boen everyday..
but after that.. both co. need these to sell well. and if the mopar is getting th guzz tax... they'll be less than msrp, because of the fuel cost, to run them..
did you see what the v10 rams were selling for.. after the first spat with 3.oo a gallon gas.. no where near msrp..
same will happen to this mopar, otherwise it'll go the way of the magnum..
the camaro.. will get the same mph as the vette.. and save it from the guzz tax..
and will be also in a v6 model to help sales... but they still need a barebones v8 model..
for all the people without 35g's for a new car... kids can't pay that...
and neither can troops coming back from the sand pit...
a mid to low 20's v8 model will fly out the door,,

What a joke it is going to be trying to buy one of the new Limited Edition Challengers. The dealer showed me the MSRP for the car, 37,895. plus $2,100 in Gas Guzzler Tax. I told him I would give a deposit for the car at the MSRP.
He said he wanted 10k on top of MSRP.


The $37,995 MSRP is for the 2008 Challenger SRT8 with the 6.1 Hemi and production of less than 10,000 cars. They haven't come out with pricing yet on the rest of the Challengers but I'm sure you'll be able to a R/T with the 5.7 Hemi for less than that. Or just wait until 2009.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

but they still need a barebones v8 model..
for all the people without 35g's for a new car... kids can't pay that...
and neither can troops coming back from the sand pit...
a mid to low 20's v8 model will fly out the door,,

Why can't these car companies figure out this simple fact? GM made the same mistake on the GTO. It was a loaded down, expensive car and in the end they couldn't give them away. 350-400hp and they couldn't sell them? Why? They were too damned expensive for the demographic who really like cars like that. Well, that and it isn't too exciting to look at.

GM made the same mistake on the GTO. It was a loaded down, expensive car and in the end they couldn't give them away. 350-400hp and they couldn't sell them? Why? They were too damned expensive for the demographic who really like cars like that. Well, that and it isn't too exciting to look at.
Pretty accurate. As good as the GTO was - looks not withstanding, GM attempted to move the car up market and position it against BMW. It had all the right parts and the numbers were good. Problem is GM, and the Pontiac name plate, both lack the panache to compete against BMW. Too darn bad, really, because it really was a refined car without boy racer "HEY, LOOK AT ME!!" styling.

the 04 to 06 GTO was a good car, but it didn't have the retro styling that would have made it sell. If it had the chiseled lines of the 64-67 GTO's than maybe it would have been more of a success. Over engineered, as well, the IRS just made it more expensive. Of course that IRS was used because it existed on the Commodore, which is what the late GTO was. Melted bean styling is just too ho hum.

Now if you do buy one of thoses limited edition cars you better have it shipped to your climate controlled storage and leave it in your will for your next of kin and if your they are lucky it just might still be worth the same amount you over payed for it.....:sad:

:yes: yep...reminds me of the Corvette pace car at last year's Barrett-Jackson. Went for $17K new in 1978, still had all the plastic on the interior...and went for $25K in 2007.

I heard all the 1st year Challengers are going to be automatics:sad: No thanks

Yep, just like all the Chargers are. They don't make a stick for these cars yet, but they do have a conversion you can buy to convert it to a six speed. I was thinking of doing this to the Charger I have but Dodge told me I could kiss my warranty goodbye if I did.

One mistake with the GTO besides the styling, was it was only available loaded. I hope GM doesn't make that mistake with the V8 version(s) of the Camaro to run its price up. I bought a new '85 IROC Z with the biggest engine and no power accessories or T-Tops. Did get 4 whl discs though and posi. PS and PB were std. Made it cheap and light. I know PW and PDL would be std now but make the leather seats, lighting pkg, etc., options on the new Z28 or SS Camaro.

One mistake with the GTO besides the styling, was it was only available loaded. I hope GM doesn't make that mistake with the V8 version(s) of the Camaro to run its price up. I bought a new '85 IROC Z with the biggest engine and no power accessories or T-Tops. Did get 4 whl discs though and posi. PS and PB were std. Made it cheap and light. I know PW and PDL would be std now but make the leather seats, lighting pkg, etc., options on the new Z28 or SS Camaro.


Im with ya but dont hold your breath. I dont see it happening. People are all about creature comforts, luxury, want to be better than the next guy and say that their car has TV's, 27 way power seats, etc. The masses dont want this kind of car, they want all the BS fluff which is why I kind of think that the automakers are trying to straddle the line and please everybody which is helping to jack up prices on these cars.

Also - who was it in the other thread that swore up and down that this price jacking wouldnt happen and that "All dealers have been instructed by Chrysler" not to do this very thing?

I have a crow for you and would like you to start munching on it.

Anyone put an LS1 / T56 into a mid 80's Iroc yet? Figure out a legal blower app for 96 impala's? 2000 camaro for cheap and then build it? 87 GN and a rebuild? Theres just too much out there with way more potential than these cars for much cheaper and you can do what you want and make them yours.

There will always be the ones who buy it dont put any miles on it thinking they have an "investment" :confused: and will take it in the shorts.

There's guys I've seen try to sell '94-'96 Impala SS's that have been in a climate controlled bubble with less than 10 miles on the can and the factory plastic still on the seats, steering wheel, etc. They try to sell for $50k., lower to $40k, still no one wants to pay that price. These people would have been better off investing the roughly $26k MSRP in the stock market. At just 6% return (factoring in taxes), they'd have close to $50k. Safe, and easy! In another 11 years, they'd have close to $100k. You think a 10 mile '96 Impala SS's will demand nearly $100k 22 years after it rolled off the assembly line? No chance!!

I think these late-model cars just won't be demanding the big coin in the future that old Muscle cars are demanding. It's a bad investment IMO, and I bet the smartest investor in the world, Warren Buffett, would say the same thing.

If they were smart gm and mopar, they would follow suit with ford and make them 15-25 range and a long list of options! they are trying to make money off the OLD muscle car market but these will never bring the money the old ones are. At least not for another 40 yrs!!
if im gonna drop that kinda coin i would buy a c6 deffinetly!!

If they were smart gm and mopar, they would follow suit with ford and make them 15-25 range and a long list of options! they are trying to make money off the OLD muscle car market but these will never bring the money the old ones are. At least not for another 40 yrs!!
if im gonna drop that kinda coin i would buy a c6 deffinetly!!

don't expect GM to be smart they still dont know why camaros stoped selling

If they were smart gm and mopar, they would follow suit with ford and make them 15-25 range and a long list of options! they are trying to make money off the OLD muscle car market but these will never bring the money the old ones are. At least not for another 40 yrs!!
if im gonna drop that kinda coin i would buy a c6 deffinetly!!If GM was smart were is all the original GM parts:sad:
You were on the righ track but GM is dumb because if they would start making original parts for our original cars they would make a killing but no GM has future dumb idea and make new cars that the general person cant afford to buy.
I myself will not buy a new car again only because of the depreciation on them in todays market.:sad:

I thought I read (maybe in Car Craft?) that the first year Chaalenger will be 5000 produced. I'm just afraid Chrysler and GM will price them high, and the Mutang will continue to sell the most. I agree with the other comments here.........build a basic car to compete and offer options. Don't put everything you can on every car you build. I MIGHT consider a new Camero, but not at 40K. Oh, and make mine a 6 speed, please.

i wonder how much a "real" base V8 Challenger will cost.
for example, back in '02 most new Z28's were going for close to $30k-$35K. everyone said how they were 'over priced" and that it would be sweet if you could get a stripped down version for under $25K, and that if it was possible, GM would sell millions of them.
well, i did some looking in the spring of '02, and sure enough, you could get a "stripped" 6 speed Z28 for $23k. adding the Hurst shifter and bigger brakes (which also meant bigger 17" wheels and tires) brought it up to the mid $24k range.
now, granted, this wasn't a traditional "stripped" car- it still had the power windows and locks and AC, but it only had a basic am/fm stereo and cloth seats. i almost ordered one about a week before the cutoff when production ended, but i decided i would rather be able to afford the house i had just moved into 3 months earlier...

i wonder how much a "real" base V8 Challenger will cost.
for example, back in '02 most new Z28's were going for close to $30k-$35K. everyone said how they were 'over priced" and that it would be sweet if you could get a stripped down version for under $25K, and that if it was possible, GM would sell millions of them.
well, i did some looking in the spring of '02, and sure enough, you could get a "stripped" 6 speed Z28 for $23k. adding the Hurst shifter and bigger brakes (which also meant bigger 17" wheels and tires) brought it up to the mid $24k range.
now, granted, this wasn't a traditional "stripped" car- it still had the power windows and locks and AC, but it only had a basic am/fm stereo and cloth seats. i almost ordered one about a week before the cutoff when production ended, but i decided i would rather be able to afford the house i had just moved into 3 months earlier...

In '02 I did a "Build Your Own Camaro" on the Chevrolet website. I added as many options as I could and the total came to nearly $40k. I printed the sheet out and still have it in a folder somewhere. I remember the mid-90s Camaro's with LT1 could be had for just under $20k. Sales numbers for much of the 90s were pretty dismal. I think a lot of people who are barking at GM to make something barebones and FAST, will not buy even if it came out on the market. Just like you pointed out, a stripped '02 Z28 could be had for a relatively cheap price. Nobody was buying though. As for the '04 to '06 GTOs, they didn't serve me a purpose. Plus, with insurance rates, it would fall into the "luxury" category for my life. I think the late-model muscle cars are marketed to those with money and that is typically middle-aged to retirement-aged men.

The Challenger has a shot to give the Mustang a run for its money, but without a stripped model, the average income earner won't be able to afford it. The Mustang attracts women and men alike, from stripped V6 models to V8 Shelby models. GM and Chrysler have a lot of catching up to do!! I hate Ford, but you have to give them props for sticking with the Mustang and attracting a WIDE market base. Anymore, GM is late to the party. Look at the Trailblazer SS. Economy going south, gas prices way up, and GM throws out the TB SS. Looks great (IMO), but lousy gas mileage, tranny that sucks!, and what seems like a lot of problems being reported. Terrible timing and lacking the all important transmission improvements. '94-'96 Impala SS, '04-'06 GTO SS, '06-'08 TB SS, see a picture here? GM executives are lost IMO. They just can't figure out what the heck to do.

The dealer told me, he should have the Brochures in 2 weeks. He will call me and I can have one. Maybe they will have prices for the base model at that time.

:yes: yep...reminds me of the Corvette pace car at last year's Barrett-Jackson. Went for $17K new in 1978, still had all the plastic on the interior...and went for $25K in 2007.

How about the ZR1 Corvette. Wasn't that one of the big buck over msrp? Now you can have one for chump change.

How about the ZR1 Corvette. Wasn't that one of the big buck over msrp? Now you can have one for chump change.
It will be interesting to see how much over sticker the 2009 ZR1 Corvette will go for. Only around 2000 will be built at a sticker of about $100,000. Supercharged 6.2 liter with at least 620 hp, ceramic brakes, etc. It will be introduced at the Detroit Auto Show (NAIAS) in January. I'll bet the early ones will go for at least $150,000.

that is why I got a parttime job as a salesman at a chevy dealer...
I want the new camaro// or if they build it.. the velle..
but want the hipo model.. and don't want to pay a kings ransom...
we'll see if my plan works out..

If I had that type of money, I wouldn't be putting into a new limited edition car of any sort:rolleyes:

that is why I got a parttime job as a salesman at a chevy dealer...
I want the new camaro// or if they build it.. the velle..
but want the hipo model.. and don't want to pay a kings ransom...
we'll see if my plan works out..

Keep us informed on your plan and what the real dealer cost is.