Take a look at this build sheet. Looks like someone used an old typewriter and xeroxed the results!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Chevrolet-Chevelle-SS-matching-numbers-396-4-speed_W0QQitemZ260187849096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6164 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Cowl tag shows "DT" as build location. What is "DT"?

Car is an Arlington build. Should read BT. Could be legit. Heres another cowl tag that looks the same.
http://www.chevellestuff.com/70velle/tags/arl/tt_bt_02d_13637_7575.jpg

Build sheet does look suspect though.

Other than the fact that its an obvious fake, The 1970 SS came with a L34 engine not an LS3.

The seller doesn't give the vin#. Shouldn't the BT28533 be on the buildsheet vs. the AT28914?

The build sheet does look fake, unless someone can convince us otherwise.

You could at least spell correctly check out option B93 door edge gaurd Dont you love this stuff!!!

ya know, the issue here is this, even a poorly done fake casts a shadow on all non-138 cars. maybe this is an obvious fake, i don't know, i don't have that expertise. but what i do know is that some people know how to do it right (fake a buildsheet) and of course no one is talking about those because they don't KNOW they are fake. pretty soon, if not right now, any '69 and up chevelle will have to be considered a clone in the eyes of the purchaser.

not if you research all the information that is out there via internet team chevelle (hip hip hooray) i wonder if big money guys who invest in stocks just look for a pretty one and drop 50k, as for the build sheet it didn't have enough tar on it for me.:D that car was built a few weeks b4 mine i know where my build sheet was.:mad:

Cowl tag is legit. Build sheet is Shiite.

RIGHT ON!:yes::thumbsup::D

The seller doesn't give the vin#. Shouldn't the BT28533 be on the buildsheet vs. the AT28914?

The build sheet does look fake, unless someone can convince us otherwise.

I agree. The Arlington sheets I've seen show BT.
There are too many other mistakes with that build sheet. I don't want to list the mistakes in an open forum due to the chance of a fake build sheet maker looking in.

okay, you guys aren't understanding, SOME PEOPLE FAKING BUILD SHEETS HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF TC MEMBERS AND COULD EVEN BE ON THIS SITE. didn't mean to shout, but i'm not getting through. maybe people think because they spot some obvious fakes they're getting the 'bad guys'. NO, NO, NO. they are only getting the sloppy bad guys who don't do they're homework. for heaven's sake, people can forge money that will fool anyone, you don't think they can do a build sheet when there are pics posted of real ones all over the place???
and in the future i think a build sheet is going to be about as convincing as 'SS' emblems, people will say, 'oh, sure...' even if you found it yourself and your convinced, the next guy probably won't be.

Michigan is pretty tough on car related matters and this shop is located Clarkston, MI. Anyone from that state know of someone to contact in law enforcement concerning misrepresentation of paperwork and claims of 'originality' on a car? Buildsheet is obviously fake yet claims are it's original to the car. Might look into http://www.miheat.org/home.aspx (Michigan Help Eliminate Auto Theft) about possible fraud/identity theft. Up to $1,000for the arrest and warrant of individuals suspected of auto theft, auto theft related insurance fraud and/or auto theft related identity theft.

that sure is original. its amazing that a place that has been selling muscle cars since 1978(so they say) would print something like this. also look under the veh options on the bottom , B93 they spelled door edge guards wrong. -door edge gaurds- on the build sheet:clonk:

I have never heard anything good about Southern Motors. I have called them on a couple of cars they had for sale. They are like most Dealers...they tell you what you want to hear and not the truth.

this is a nice 1970 ss396 #s'm, good price too right?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Chevrolet-Chevelle-SS-matching-numbers-396-4-speed_W0QQitemZ260187849096QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6164 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i like the color.

This has already been confirmed as a fake.

It's a pretty car.

Try to build one to match it for less.

If we purchased these cars based on build quality and cosmetics, the rest of the reterric wouldn't matter.

If you could talk them out of it for 35K.... You've done well.

Fake or not.

Just crumple up, and throw away the obviously bogus buildsheet right infront of the salesman :thumbsup:

I shouldn't say that, on a closer look, the chassis isn't pictured and again, some spray can restoration is evidant.

You likely could build one for less if that's the case.

This has already been confirmed as a fake.
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201831

yes..the buildsheet is bogus for sure lol

But,is the car a fake? I wonder what the engine codes and stampings look like?
Nice car..but that buildsheet :D

yes..the buildsheet is bogus for sure lol

But,is the car a fake? I wonder what the engine codes and stampings look like?
Nice car..but that buildsheet :D

You'd think those guys would be posting the VIN stamps if they had any belief at all it was the real deal.

The right door gap is horrible. Makes me want to look a lot closer. Fake or not.

oops sorry, didn't know it had already been posted, i was just surfing chevelles haha. so it's not numbers matching or there is just NO evidence, do the engine stampings match the last digits of the vin?

okay, you guys aren't understanding, SOME PEOPLE FAKING BUILD SHEETS HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF TC MEMBERS AND COULD EVEN BE ON THIS SITE.

I agree - and unfortunately the sloppy ones are going to get better.

You could at least spell correctly check out option B93 door edge gaurd Dont you love this stuff!!!
sorry dave. didnt mean to copy your post earlier. it was late for me and i thought it was really funny and rushed the post.
mark

This is a copy of the first email I sent this guy right after the auction started: Nice looking car, but you don't think that is the original build sheet do you? The codes, the fonts, the letter size, and the positioning of the letters/words are wrong. That is a very poorly done amateur attempt at a reproduction build sheet. If you go to www.chevellestuff.com (http://www.chevellestuff.com) you can see what a real build sheet looks like. - His reply: It looks like every other GM buildsheet I have....
I then sent him a second email: I'm just giving you a heads up so you know.
Without analyzing it you'll notice that the engine code is wrong, it should read
L34. The tire code is also wrong, it should read PY4. Axle ratio should be G94.
The color codes for the top and the bottom should not have any other codes after
them. Before the codes for the console and the trans it should have a % mark.
The font size and type of font is completely wrong. If you want to see what a build sheet from that factory
is supposed to look like go to http://www.chevellestuff.com/index.htm
Click on the Arlington build sheets and look them over. I'm not saying the car
isn't real, just that the build sheet isn't. So far I haven't had a reply. I think I made him mad. Oh well, maybe if the fakes know the public is smarted than they are they'll stop selling this stuff. Joe

Place is close to my work looked at cars several times from them. What do you guys think should be done?

This is a copy of the first email I sent this guy right after the auction started: Nice looking car, but you don't think that is the original build sheet do you? The codes, the fonts, the letter size, and the positioning of the letters/words are wrong. That is a very poorly done amateur attempt at a reproduction build sheet. If you go to www.chevellestuff.com (http://www.chevellestuff.com) you can see what a real build sheet looks like. - His reply: It looks like every other GM buildsheet I have....
I then sent him a second email: I'm just giving you a heads up so you know.
Without analyzing it you'll notice that the engine code is wrong, it should read
L34. The tire code is also wrong, it should read PY4. Axle ratio should be G94.
The color codes for the top and the bottom should not have any other codes after
them. Before the codes for the console and the trans it should have a % mark.
The font size and type of font is completely wrong. If you want to see what a build sheet from that factory
is supposed to look like go to http://www.chevellestuff.com/index.htm
Click on the Arlington build sheets and look them over. I'm not saying the car
isn't real, just that the build sheet isn't. So far I haven't had a reply. I think I made him mad. Oh well, maybe if the fakes know the public is smarted than they are they'll stop selling this stuff. Joe


After that information, his next attempt will look much better :D

Place is close to my work looked at cars several times from them. What do you guys think should be done?Depends on how much one wants to get involved I suppose.

Reporting them to something like the BBB would probably result in little or no action. At most, the dealer can/will claim they were duped on the build sheet and they continue to advertise the car as what its claimed to be and mention the build sheet may not be correct but it's up to the buyer to determine that.

There are more uninformed buyers out there than members of TC watching for unethical or downright dishonest dealers so the cars will get sold and eventually the buyer will wind up here and discover they've been seriously mislead. Then it's up to that person to do something, if they even can.

I would imagine that before long, many other states will do what Oklahoma has done and hopefully even more. It's a crime to put a trim tag on any car from 1953 to 1977 that it didn't come with originally (and has not been altered) or, in the case of a reproduction tag, it must be stamped with REPRODUCTION TAG wording. I'd like to see all states implement this as well as requiring reproduction Protect-O-Plate warranty cards, window stickers, and build sheets to be stamped or watermarked/overprinted as reproduction items.

See Okkahoma statue on trim tags. (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=450125)

If you look on the bottom line of most of these types of buisnesses sales contracts, they will state something like:

No claims or originality have been expressed or implied and vehicle is being sold, as is.

This type of thing is everywhere items of an antique or collectible nature are bought and sold.

Whether beanie babies, teddie bears, Bostonian Federal period furniture or Barbie Dolls.

This is nothing new and can not be stopped.

Buyer beware has been worn out, but will always prove true.

Ok, If that was a North Carolina car. And it was shipped to North Carolina. Wouldn't that dealer be getting his car from the Atlanta plant?

Ok, If that was a North Carolina car. And it was shipped to North Carolina. Wouldn't that dealer be getting his car from the Atlanta plant?

No, not necessarily. I had a car from Hazard Kentucky, that was built in Arlington. There are quite a few Chevelles in this area, and most of them were built in Atlanta, and a few in KC.

I have looked at this car before. My knowledge pales to your. I am in this place about once a month. They do have nice cars, I would HOPE that they are just dumb and not dishonest. But who knows. Is there anything that anyone wants me to look at specifically? I might be in there today actually, my friend works right down the road.

If this is what all his build sheets look like does that mean he gets them all made by the same person?