what do you think its worth in todays market?..opinions?? may be cutting this one loose soon

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/118096/an/0/page/11#118096

note:..engine is a re-stamp! but date and code correct

36 views and everybody too scared to put a $ on it.

I'll start. 65K :)

I'm sorry John but the Reserve is still not met at $65K keep bidding :D

I'm motivated to effect the bell curve. :)

what do you think its worth in todays market?..opinions?? may be cutting this one loose soon

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/118096/an/0/page/11#118096

note:..engine is a re-stamp! but date and code correct

NOM = less value no matter how good the frame off was. 35-40k to the right buyer.

Tony

No offense, but you have to be kidding :confused: have you ever had the privilege of seeing Alberts car in person? I have and have JUDGED it.. I don't know what you base your estimate on?? but I would like to know... and as far as what a NOM does to the price.. yes, a SLIGHT decrease, but what you are suggesting is a decrease to a DRIVER quality car and that aint so in the REAL World.. Car's like Albert's are to an entirely different level of FRAME OFF.. and unless you buy and sell Classic Muscle Cars.. I think that estimate is wayyy out of wack.

Again, no offense meant to you personally, we are all entiteled to an opinion.. I just have to respectfully disagree.

It begs the question.. same car, original Engine.. Now what is it worth??

Tony

No offense, but you have to be kidding :confused: have you ever had the privilege of seeing Alberts car in person? I have and have JUDGED it.. I don't know what you base your estimate on?? but I would like to know... and as far as what a NOM does to the price.. yes, a SLIGHT decrease, but what you are suggesting is a decrease to a DRIVER quality car and that aint so in the REAL World.. Car's like Albert's are to an entirely different level of FRAME OFF.. and unless you buy and sell Classic Muscle Cars.. I think that estimate is wayyy out of wack.

Again, no offense meant to you personally, we are all entiteled to an opinion.. I just have to respectfully disagree.

It begs the question.. same car, original Engine.. Now what is it worth??

Mike I haven't seen the car and everyone's opinion regarding value is subjective, but if it's as nice as it looks in the pictures the only part of the car that devalues it is the NOM. With the original engine the price would go up considerably with an A1 resto. Unfortunately like many others he probably spent more on the car than it's worth. Whatever an all original restored LS5 goes for isthe answer to what it would be worth.

Great looking Chevelle, must turn a lot of heads on the road.....
color is effing beautiful.
A lot of time, effort and $ in that beauty, I'd hold on tight to that one.
Todays market seems a little soft... $ 45-50k

I'll trade you "The Blue Beast" for it.

This is one of the best LS5's in the country. I'll say $75k+. With the original motor, it would be pushing $85k+. As Mike pointed out, these cars are a whole different level and the price increases dramatically. Soft market or not, this level doesn't come up often and the right buyer knows that. If I didn't already have one, I would be buying this car right now.

This is one of the best LS5's in the country. I'll say $75k+. With the original motor, it would be pushing $85k+. As Mike pointed out, these cars are a whole different level and the price increases dramatically. Soft market or not, this level doesn't come up often and the right buyer knows that. If I didn't already have one, I would be buying this car right now.

Hard to make a statement like that since there are many we will never see. And I find it hard to believe that there aren't many with the original drivetrains in this condition or close that could be worth less or condsidered "worse". There are many nut and bolt "perfect" restos - what makes this one different? And if someone was to spend 75k don't you think they could find an LS5 or another "rare" car in this condition with all original parts for that money?

And before I go any further let me say to the owner of the car that I am not trying to knock his chevelle, and I commend him for the tedious work he's done on this vehicle to bring it back to this condition.

Even without actually seeing it and only seeing photos I would be inclined to put this car at 50k+.

Very nice looking car that I'm sure stands tall amongst its peers but I would think the market for your car might be narrow so you might have to be very patient if you're wanting above $65M. There's probably a potential buyer out there somewhere.

The market is somewhat soft, the color will eliminate some, the NOM will as well, vinyl roof might as well. I have to be wanting an LS5 pretty specifically as I could get a similar quality L34 for less. I could also begin to consider an LS6 once getting to $70M and above. The LS6 won't be the same quality but at those prices some won't care as they can get into an LS6 and throw money at it later. At $65M plus you're also into convertible pricing terrritory for those looking at 1970 as well......so you have some competition for the '70 buyer in my opinion. A trailered car will also narrow the buyers to those that won't drive the car or at least won't drive it much.

Very nice car, good luck with your sale.

It's v e r y interesting to see softball values thrown at cars in this section. Especially when you've never actually seen the car in person and don't know anything about it or it's owner. We can make good guesses based on a few pictures and a paragraph of of information, but a first hand account of someone that has judged the car in a professional setting and knows the market value, should be able to provide an accurate assessment.

The only thing about this car that can possibly detract from the value, or in better terms, eliminate some buyers, is the color. It's fine with me, but being a rare color does present some possible selling issues. I'm not saying it's worth less, I'm saying you may have to be patient for the right buyer to come along that REALLY likes the color and is willing to pay you what it's worth.

If it were my car, I would reserve it at 60K and not sell until reserve is met. The market is a bit soft right now and it's definately NOT a good time to sell. It's a good time to buy. It will be 16 months before the economy settles down. That's a FACT.

For me, the color is it's greatest asset.......

That's how off colors work :)

It's v e r y interesting to see softball values thrown at cars in this section. Especially when you've never actually seen the car in person and don't know anything about it or it's owner.

No many of us haven't so maybe it's not the best place to ask what we think of it. We are giving an estimate of what we believe, and that's what was asked of us.

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We can make good guesses based on a few pictures and a paragraph of of information, but a first hand account of someone that has judged the car in a professional setting and knows the market value, should be able to provide an accurate assessment.
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The pictures and paragraph are here and the car isn't. I think if this car is as nice as everyone who knows says it is then a professional appraiser should be used, not the WIW thread at Team Chevelle. Again I don't know why we should be led blindly to believe that car is worth more than we feel it is when all we had to work with was what you stated. And if the first hand account from someone who judged the car will overrule anything I say then why ask me (or anyone else for that matter) to contribute?

AL, I'm sure if this car is anything like your COPO or Bill's 68 it should go for top $$$. My guess would be between 60K - 80K. My question is: What is in the works being that you are thinking of selling. Maybe another COPO????:D

To further Tony's response, why even have this section??? I just joined this site and a lot of people have been very helpful. If my posts were in another section it might have just got drowned out with... I just got married, I am buying a house, What size tires can I fit - (not picking on any of these topics)

Thanks for the WIW section and I will continue to post as my search continues.

Can I GUESS too?

Sure a non original motor will always bring down the value somewhat but I think on a car of this exquisite caliber it won't be much.

$84,994.98

65-75K

do I win it????

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It begs the question.. same car, original Engine.. Now what is it worth??[/QUOTE]


100K

:eek: Is that a 25 to 33% loss due to NOM

100k down to 75k would be a 25% drop or 75k up to 100k would be a 33 1/3 % increase

Thanks Tony.. ;)

Of course that is only Dan's opinion and he is welcome to give it.. I think the NOM on an otherwise spectacular car affects it 7-10% tops. but that's my 2 cents which won't buy a cup of coffee :noway:

That's a very interesting viewpoint. (and I'm not saying I disagree with it)

The next question is........... What if you add no documentation to the mix?

If numbers motor only effects 10% on an otherwise outstanding car, does lack of documentation really impact it that much more?

In other words, can a high caliber recreation stand on cosmetics and build quality alone?

if what your saying is true, it should..... correct?

FWIW.. and just my opinion.. You take a car done to the level of Albert's... an AACA Grand National winner and multiple ACES winner and many others...not the local yokel shows... you take a car like that.. HIGHEST of Quality in every way.. a NON driven Trailer Queen if you will.. take away the original Motor and I knock off very little in value.. ( see above ) add Docs to it and I think you make up some of that loss.. take away docs ( build sheet, POP, whatever.. ) and I think you hit the higher end of loss in value stated above...

We must also remember,,,, Numbers Matching is not limited to engine alone.. a car might have orig. trans and Rear, might be painted correct original colors and have other factors that make up the loss of the NOM.. there is so much to look at.. but first and foremost, I want to see the car that is done RIGHT!! No short cuts, no spray can paint in trunk or frame or other areas.. no aftermarket parts. or as little as possible.. so much more goes into the factoring of value beyond NOM... just my opinion and what I LOOK FOR.

Mike

No many of us haven't so maybe it's not the best place to ask what we think of it. We are giving an estimate of what we believe, and that's what was asked of us.


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The pictures and paragraph are here and the car isn't. I think if this car is as nice as everyone who knows says it is then a professional appraiser should be used, not the WIW thread at Team Chevelle. Again I don't know why we should be led blindly to believe that car is worth more than we feel it is when all we had to work with was what you stated. And if the first hand account from someone who judged the car will overrule anything I say then why ask me (or anyone else for that matter) to contribute?[/QUOTE]
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I didn't intend, in any way to minimize your opinion. I apologize if it was taken that way. I was merely pointing out that:

A. It's interesting to listen to people's opinions, regardless of what they know.
B. Some of us here have actually SEEN and JUDGED the car in person. That's great in my book and makes this section that much more credible.

It's not a common thing to be able to discuss openly in a group of people what monetary values are placed on the objects we desire. This a unique oppotunity to ask, to read and to give an honest opinion to someone you may have not met in person, or maybe never will.
As long as it's a discussion and not a pissin match, it's all good. IMO, whatever the hail that is worth! :D

So Mystery Mike, since you are obviously the one here who knows the car best why havent you said what you think it is worth? Why not just state what you think it is worth rather than belittle others with the "I know something you dont" response? You may know more than most about certain subjects but it has always baffled me why most of your posts are like that rather than just helping out. IMO the car is worth what someone is willing to pay, it may be worth $100K to an investor but not to me.

Dave

No need to go there buddy.. I'm far from belittling anyone in anything I have written here.. voicing strong opposition.. Yes, respectfully disagreeing.. Yes... belittle.. No, I don't think so.. and if someone feels that way.. let them to email me or call me and we can talk about that man to man..

As far as my assesment.. it was already given to Albert. He's the only one that needs to know what I think. If you or anyone else wants to give that Value in an open forum.. that is also just fine., and I am sure he appreciates it. Not many places you get expert opinions for Free.. anywhere or for anything.. not just cars. This forum saves some folks lots of money I suspect. It's all good my friend, don't sweat that which doesn't directly affect you I always say.

Mike

As for Just helpiing out.. you have not a clue what I do and who I Help out behind the scenes here at TC and elsewhere.. trust me, if I was billing for the Help I give.. I'd be rich.

Mike, if you dont want to give advice without being paid that is your right..but to "strongly disagree" with someone and then give nothing on what is the correct information makes no sense to me. Why post to say that someone is wrong or mistaken just to tell them they are? Why not just email Al and not reply here at all? I guess it would be hard to say "guys the car is worth much more than you think, I have judged it..cars at this level are currently going for $xxxx to $xxxx even with todays market"..if Al didnt want it in public forum why post it here? Oh well back to the garage.

Mike, if you dont want to give advice without being paid that is your right..but to "strongly disagree" with someone and then give nothing on what is the correct information makes no sense to me. Why post to say that someone is wrong or mistaken just to tell them they are? Why not just email Al and not reply here at all? I guess it would be hard to say "guys the car is worth much more than you think, I have judged it..cars at this level are currently going for $xxxx to $xxxx even with todays market"..if Al didnt want it in public forum why post it here? Oh well back to the garage.

No offence Mike. Im not looking to jump in here and gang up on you but I was thinking this exact same thing thats mentioned above. I know your well trusted and respected in the Chevelle ranks. But with you telling Albert "personally" what you feel his car is worth, then responding to others posts about thier opinions about what the car is worth without really giving your real opinion to justify the reasons. Just doesnt make any sense to me either.:confused:

Well Chris.. I'm sorry... You are right to an extent.. I have my reasons and truly.. I guess I should just keep my mouth shut.. and I will from this point on.. I will not chime in on what's it worth posts any longer, as most are without merit anyway,,,, poor descriptions, poor photos if any even posted, and values given without any real basis as far as I can see.. not always.. but usually. I really don't want to give my estimates or chime in at all.. but it gets real hard to sit back and watch folks give unreasonable estimates .. both, high and low.. and so, like most humans.. it gets to me and I start to typing.. and maybe that is wrong.. I concede that.. and will no longer give my point of view.. if someone wants my opinion.. they can email me at mikecrown@mysterychevelle.com

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings with my responses.. but it do stimulate discussion that needs to be discussed.. I may not have had given my $$ value but I did get us talking about important issues about NOM, Build sheets, Clones, Quality, re-stamps and the combo of all these and where that puts a value...

Good Night Gracie~

BTW....Albert did not pay me for my estimate

Mike,
The problem that arises here is you have a personal stake not only in your job, but the car itself. I have gone through 4 pages of your posts and really you dont offer WIW answers (I assume its due to your career). I dont think that gives you the right to trash talk peoples opinions. If you cant post what a car is worth or provide a basis/range of what a car is worth why post?

Anyways its a beautiful car and wish I had the $$$ for it. Ah who am I kidding I cant own most of the cars on this site...

Thanks Tony.. ;)

Of course that is only Dan's opinion and he is welcome to give it.. I think the NOM on an otherwise spectacular car affects it 7-10% tops. but that's my 2 cents which won't buy a cup of coffee :noway:

IMO, the higher the value/quality of the car #s matching & documentation becomes of more importance to gaining value.

so I look at it like this

my car thats is matching #s 5-10% since it has not been restored

Al's car that is perfectly restored ,25% + more since time & cubic $$ went into restoring those components. I am including documentation as part of the %%.


& yes it is only my opinion

Good luck on your sale...

Al, Good luck on your new buisness. From the work I have seen from you guys up there in Jersey, You should stay busy!!!