What's the general feeling about getting a relatively stock chassis '64 into the 12's with a small block 350? I'm not opposed to roller cams (max .570 lift or so) and will tolerate stall speeds up to 3500.

Computer models say it can be done, but last time I checked nobody drives computers at the track... :D

Anybody currently doing this, I'd sure like to hear from them.

Tim D.

http://www.hotrodder.com/trackforum/gallery/

Look at the car at the very bottom of the page and its specs going 12's with a 350 is Very possible

12's shouldn't be that hard. I think it usually takes just over 400hp to hit 12's. A properly built 350 with good heads shouldn't have any problems. You could probably even do it with some Vortecs. The other part is getting power to the ground. The car needs to be built properly, and slicks are almost a must.

Steve

I've gone 13.54 at 99mph with my little 355, a 2000 stall, 3.42 gear, and a meager XE262 cam, at a race weight of 3850 pounds. I think 3500 stall, 3.73 gears, and a little more cam than I'm running, you should go 12's. A 64 is probably lighter than a 69 too.

I had my 64 weighing 3300 lbs. w/o me running 12.80's with a 350, 3.36 gears and street radials.
I had a bit more cam ( .636in/ex ) and a 2800 stall verter

It can definetly be done

Mike, (Marooned) is running 10s with a 383 in a 65, so I'd say 12s with a 350 is very possible.

i think his user name here is nickel333 or something like that he just posted about being at the track with a 355 he is running very low 12's with a stick!.

All right, now I'm officially psyched! I was planning Dart Iron Eagle 215s and matching single plane, Comp XR280R, and 3500 stall, to go with DOT slicks.

Maybe mid to low 12s :D !

My dad's 80 Camaro weighs 3275 with me in it. It has a 355 with stock S/R torquer heads, 10.1 comp, an old school Comp 282 solid lift cam, 650 DP and an RPM intake. The trans is a th350 with a TCI 10" street fighter converter and a 3.90 gear with 28" slicks. It runs on 93 oct and shifts at 5500 rpm, could go higher but I've never tried it. This car runs 12.40's in cool air. My Chevelle weighs a little more with a little hotter 355 and 4.30 gears. I hope to hit an 11.99 this fall.

Not hard at all.
Just this past weekend, a couple of my friends and I took a '71 Malibu car to a local track. This car is a completely stock bodied Chevelle with a Turbo 350 that has only been mildly built. Off the shelf hydraulic roller cam from Crane...not radical at all.
The 350 powered Chevelle(minimum 3700 lbs) went 12.90 @ 100.1 mph.
Using 275/60/15 Drag Radials with 14lbs of air we saw 1.83 60 foot times.
I think there is another couple of tenths left in the car and after the drag radials "season" who knows?
Its very easy to get in the 12's these days...too much good stuff available!

i agree with the others about hitting the 12's with a 355, not too hard, IMO. although i would like to see you run a little smaller head. 215's are getting pretty big for a 355, unless it's an all out race combo. if you can swing the extra bucks for some AFR 195's or something similar, i think you'd be happier with the all around performance. .02

Originally posted by m71:
i agree with the others about hitting the 12's with a 355, not too hard, IMO. although i would like to see you run a little smaller head. 215's are getting pretty big for a 355, unless it's an all out race combo. if you can swing the extra bucks for some AFR 195's or something similar, i think you'd be happier with the all around performance. .02 I kinda agree, but I'm dead set on iron heads - I want to look as stock as possible - and I don't think 200cc is enough for the power I'm looking for... Unless somebody has experience with Sportsman IIs or Iron Eagles that verify 450+ hp?

I also want the option of upping cubes (406?) in the future, so I'm planning ahead.

You only need look as far as the NHRA records to see what a set of stock heads, intake, pistons, carb and a stock lift cam in a Malibu wagon can do. Probably makes less than 400 fwhp.

O/SA 12.15 108.16 04/17/04 Norman Lapointe - Edmonton, AB '68 Chevy Malibu
http://www.horsepowerheaven.com/2000div6/fmdrs/mrp2/mrp2satpics/satSTwagn.jpg

I'm sure Norman's impressive performance with stock parts is not achieved by using streetable gear or a torque convertor if its an auto :D

My buddys 69 ran 12:50's with a 10"converter and 355 rear with a small block it had a stock GM 64cc chamber head on it using a Crower#00321 camshaft.

Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
I'm sure Norman's impressive performance with stock parts is not achieved by using streetable gear or a torque convertor if its an auto :D If you read the NHRA classification guide, for him to compete as an O/SA ( that's O stock with an automatic tranny ) his car must weigh a minimum of 3750# with a 250hp 327. NHRA doesn't list a 350 for these particular cars. I didn't say it was a daily driver, but running 12-teens with a 327 powered Malibu wagon is impressive.

I think a 350 in a much lighter 64 would have little trouble running 12.50's with less stringent engine specs.

The real key in the Stock Class is the cam, converter and rear ratio. Throw .050 numbers out the window. These guys run cams with fast lift rates out to the limit of the SAE seat durations. If the old Chevy advertised duration was 300/310, that cam is machined to open those valves on those numbers. Big cam, big converter, big gears and run the heck out of them.

You may be dead-set on Iron heads, but you could always PAINT a set of nice aluminum heads and get the benefits of lighter weight, running about one point higher compression due to the better heat dissipation of aluminum VS Iron, and if you were to blow up the motor, aluminum is much easier to weld with much better results than cast iron. 12's should be no problem with a 350 and a car that is set up correctly. Good luck.

Stay away from big port heads. Stay around 200 or just under. My 350 runs high mid 11's with Sportsman II heads and a 5.100" lift hydraulic flat tappet cam. A Victor Jr. or a RPM would be a better choice than the Dart intake. It is for up to 8500 rpm, way out of your range. I estimate my engine makes between 475 and 490, depending on air.

Hey, welcome back Pat! Noticed you haven't been around in a while. Good to see you again graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I wish I could get my '71 Velle into the 12s :( According to my Virtual engine dyno, I'm good for 13.73s@99mph graemlins/sad.gif I did run an 8.80@79mph on the 1/8th, but that was with a 307ci fuel pump, 5/16th fuel lines, and no tunning. I've so far upgraded to a Holley 130 gph fuel pump (yeah I know it's pretty big, good deal on it, couldn't pass it up) installed the fuel regulator, have it a 7 1/2 psi right now, and threw on some 3/8" rubber fuel line from the pump up to the carb.

Hi Alex,

You might want to use some steel or aluminum line from the pump to the carb. NHRA limits rubber to 12" for the entire fuel system. You can use rubber for the connections at the pump and carb.

Originally posted by Pat Kelley:
Hi Alex,

You might want to use some steel or aluminum line from the pump to the carb. NHRA limits rubber to 12" for the entire fuel system. You can use rubber for the connections at the pump and carb. Thanks for the heads up graemlins/thumbsup.gif That's my plan, only reason I'm using rubber line right now is because I wasn't using the regulator and my car was running really bad, and because I had only about a day or two to get my car running better before I went back to work. A friend of mine told me he has the "hook up" to get steel braid with all the fittings for really cheap, so that's the plan right now. Only thing left to do is to decide how I'm gonna leave everything mounted. Right now I have the fuel reg bolted on the pass' inner fender, along with the fuel pressure gauge. I gotta figure out where to mount the fuel reg, so that I have enough "slack" for the fuel gauge's line so that I can mount it on my hood. Then measure everything so I know how much steel braid line to get. I know it's not hard, I just don't have the time anymore.

Alexis, I have a plan!

Pay me to do it. :D You've got to hire me now though, I start school the 23rd. LOL.

BTW, I have some distributor hold down clamp things, you can come down next week if you want, except Monday (i have school things to do.)

I'm using the Dart IE180's. They may be all you need.

Georgia69, what did you do with your old heads??Are they for sale???

Originally posted by gared69:
Georgia69, what did you do with your old heads??Are they for sale??? I have two 350's, one with Dart IE180's and one with AFR180's. I sold my factory Bow Tie heads to Bill Burke. He put them on a 383 in Dana's (his brother-in-law) 69 Chevelle.

Thanks for the response.

Originally posted by Slowpoke70:
Alexis, I have a plan!

Pay me to do it. :D You've got to hire me now though, I start school the 23rd. LOL.

BTW, I have some distributor hold down clamp things, you can come down next week if you want, except Monday (i have school things to do.) LOL :D Have fun at skool graemlins/thumbsup.gif I'm working 6 days straight this week, and have had a lot of over time, especially today...and I'm beat graemlins/boring.gif I'm not sure if I'm gonna need the hold down clamp, I checked my timing a couple days ago, and so far so good, it's holding. I think I may have messed with the timing, and that's the reason it was set waaay retarded...but oh well....well i gtg, talk to you laterz graemlins/thumbsup.gif