I'm wondering how much more power the Brodix Race Rites will make over the Canfield Aluminums. I'm not sure. The only downside I can see just by visually looking at the Canfields is they're rect. ports and if I'm wanting a torque motor in a 454/4.10 geared Chevelle. Also don't the Canfields have raised exhaust ports or something that kind of does something funky with the way the headers fit? I'm just curious if the Brodix is worth the large increase in price for what they are, at least $600 difference or so from Comp. Products, for example, and if the Brodix makes that much power. Thanks.

Well I think a torque motor will do fine with the ovals. Additional price is for better stuff, to make better high end hp, but may not be right for your combo. I think brodix is amazing and when i switch to a single plane mainfold its gonna be a brodix. If money isn't an issue I'd be willing to bet that the brodix may make more power. Otherwise $600 may be better spent elsewhere.

Thanks for the advice. Another question I'm looking at is are there any oval port aluminum BB heads that can compare to the Brodix RR's? Or are there even any oval ports at all? Seems to me that I see a lot of rects...but I think I really want ovals.

Holley has an aluminum head with 110cc chambers and a 274 cc oval intake runner. The ports are in the stock location. These are the heads I am going to use. The chamber is pretty much a copy of the Ebrock head, so pistons that will work with Ebrock heads will fit holley's(what lunati told me). You may want to check out total engine airflow's website. I got my heads from Mr. Tooley who used to do Holley's R&D on the systemax setups. I got a complete set for 1000.00(off ebay from him) he may still have a set or two laying around. Total Engine Airflow (http://www.totalengineairflow.com)

Did you see what brodix flow's? The race rites flow as much as there 2 extra. Small ports with fast air movement. Compare there #'s to most small rect ports and you should be impressed.

BB485, The (M2 ported Brodix -2 Extras) will run circles around the race rites on a large motor. If your going to build a small motor of something like a 454-502 with low compression then by all means get the small heads but there is a local here that just built a 593 cu.in. BB that made 754 RWHP @ 7200 on the Dynojet and was still going up when he quit. Thats about 942 H.P. at the crank. This car ran 9.6 @ 141 MPH on the motor with a very tight converter and 8.63 with a little N2O @ 163 MPH. By the way the Canfields have a good exhaust but it is raised six hundred thousandths and may cause the header problems.

okay guys yes im new to the site today been wanting to join for awhile and im off for a bit so i joined and was looking around and seen this post . being how i build race motors for a living here in nevada and we dyno our motors i have to say harold sutton is correct . if your gonna build a puny size big block the the brodix is okay thats if you want to be fast through a 100 foot intersection and buy tires alot. we did a 541 for a customer and used the brodix heads outta the box and dynoed 600 hp with 565 ft lbs . so for gigles we bolted on a set of pro 1 345 heads and what 900 hp. the same numbers were close with a merlin head and we had a set of pro topline 365 heads cnc on the shelf so we ran those and at 10 pounds of boost we seen 1,200 hp and 958 torque. my word is not final on anything i can only state the facts . the brodix heads on a small bb are for the guy who likes to pretend his car is fast and spend money on big names to make people think that .. myself if you drop me a line i wil bolt up our mule motor and install some heads and give you the results even though they will vary from motor to motor its a base line for your decision..

p/s have used canfield heads for yeards not bad at all on the street id choose canfield or ?? over the brodix. anyday

My puny (460ci) BBC runs pretty good for a pump gas (10.37:1) engine in a 3,730lbs car running through mufflers and full exhaust . Times in signature. I wouldn't HESITATE to recommend the Canfield heads. Be forwarned that header fitment will be an issue as the exhaust ports are raised .600. Other than that the Canfield can't be beat dollar for dollar, IMO.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Canfields either. Even in the state of de-tune I run my combo in, it still manages 125 mph with my bone stock $1295 (2001 price) Canfields.


I don't understand that statement

"additional price is for better stuff" :confused:

My shock nut trick works the same to better than 3 different drag shocks I tried....Say a $1.29 versus $85.. :D There are numerous low cost items that outperform their more expensive alternatives.

If you're looking for Top-Notch street/strip capable aluminum oval port cylinder heads, you should be looking at:

http://www.profilerperformance.com/bbc-heads-174.html


Mind you, #215 Iron Oval ports are more then capable of doing exactly what you want to see with bowl blending and a quality valve job.

Originally posted by Motor Martyr:
If you're looking for Top-Notch street/strip capable aluminum oval port cylinder heads, you should be looking at:

http://www.profilerperformance.com/bbc-heads-174.html


Mind you, #215 Iron Oval ports are more then capable of doing exactly what you want to see with bowl blending and a quality valve job. The Canfield 310cc head can be had for $1,099 a pair (bare):
http://www.primediapowerpages.com/cgi-bin/ePages7.filereader?418ab85800152de40000c0a8013a05e 5+EN/products/100216&2D1007270


The comparable 290cc Profiler heads are $1,900. For the difference in price between those heads and the Canfields I want to see some real performance numbers. Preferably from a pump gas, low RPM (6,500 shift) heavy car like mine or Tom's.

pretty good at Quoting me, but i doubt you actually read the post.
I'm not compairing them to anything.

Hey speedmstr 300hp just with a head swap graemlins/hurray.gif graemlins/hurray.gif I think I might have you build my next motor.

Never used Brodix but i use canfields. And for 1399$ complete they are great dollar/hp.

Making 671hp out of my 468 and going 9,96 with low stall 3100lbs car. 8.88 on spray. Pump gas of course.

If dollar isnt an issue. Fine. ;)

Originally posted by speedmstr:
okay guys yes im new to the site today been wanting to join for awhile and im off for a bit so i joined and was looking around and seen this post . being how i build race motors for a living here in nevada and we dyno our motors i have to say harold sutton is correct . if your gonna build a puny size big block the the brodix is okay thats if you want to be fast through a 100 foot intersection and buy tires alot. we did a 541 for a customer and used the brodix heads outta the box and dynoed 600 hp with 565 ft lbs . so for gigles we bolted on a set of pro 1 345 heads and what 900 hp. the same numbers were close with a merlin head and we had a set of pro topline 365 heads cnc on the shelf so we ran those and at 10 pounds of boost we seen 1,200 hp and 958 torque. my word is not final on anything i can only state the facts . the brodix heads on a small bb are for the guy who likes to pretend his car is fast and spend money on big names to make people think that .. myself if you drop me a line i wil bolt up our mule motor and install some heads and give you the results even though they will vary from motor to motor its a base line for your decision.. =
First off, not to answer for Harold but he was comparing the Newer M2 BB's to the Race Rites & is absolutely correct.

If you picked up 300HP with a head change then obviously the engine had the wrong heads for the combo in the first place.
Now if you compare a Brodix BB2X to the other heads the results are going to be different.
If you bolt on a 345cc head in place of a 270cc oval on an engine that is 550 inches & built to make 900HP normally aspirated it is not a head test.
If you bolt on similar heads from different manufacturers it is a head test within reason.

The RaceRite head is an outstanding oval port head & is designed for exactly what Brodix says it is designed for, A direct bolt on replacement head for a mild 402-496 BB combination with a reasonable cam & compression in the 2-6500 RPM range depending on cubic inches among other things.
It will hold it's own with one of the better ovals out there which is the one Brian referred to except on the exhaust side as it is not a raised port.

If you take this street type engine & bolt 345cc heads on it it may make more HP but it will be a complete pig in the quarter or on the street just like if you bolt a small stock type oval on a large inch or high compression higher RPM deal it will be a stone.

Brodix has been in the business for a long time & makes some outstanding products both big & small block assuming you use the right part for the application.
My personal preference for an out of the box performance head is AFR but this in no way means a Brodix, Dart or Canfield will not make power if it is the correct head.

No disrespect intended but I have a real problem with "tests" like you posted just as I do with "cam tests" where all they do is change the cam & then proclaim one is better than the other because it made more power in a certain combination without regard to compression, intake, headers etc.
In my opinion, this is just not a fair representation of the parts in question.

The original question was regarding a reasonable mild 454 with torque & any 345cc head will make a pig out of it on the street.

The 310 canfield would be a reasonable head but is still on the large size for mild 454 & the Brodix has the advantage of not having the exhaust ports moved .600.

ok bb485 if you think that 300 hp on a blown applacation is alot then maybe you should consider me for your next motor. try this for example . on todays new cars by just reprograming the ems / thats engine management system people are getting upwards of 130 hp and 240 torque.. drop me a line if you need a build up i gurantee my work 100% and unless you are doing a race only applacation i give a 3 year 50 thousnad mile warranty..

might as well put my 2 cents in here also i have had my hands in a few3 sets of canfield heads f0or the price you cant beat the performance

Now i can see why this post is a the bottom of the page,,,,no one wants to reply to this nonsense mr. speedmstr is posting.

speedmstr, do your engines ever not dyno at an even number? 600, 900, 1200. I'll admit it, I'm sceptical you got 300 hp gains, TWICE, from some head changes, and upping the boost a bit on the last pull.

Hey speedmstr....let me guess, you can turn water to wine, and feed 5000 with a loaf of bread and a fish too right???
Come on man, ill be the first to say it, i dont buy it. I think by you coming on here and proclaiming that Brodix heads, wich are notoriusly excellent heads, are junk. And basing this on some oddball lop-sided test, is making you look stupid and sure isnt going to get you any customers. I wouldnt go through you simply because your making outrageous claims with nice round...possibly imaginary, figures and no one knows you from a hole in the ground.

I have a set of Brodix heads on my 350, i couldnt be happier with there customer service and im going to go low 11's next season after i get a few things worked out that i found wrong...thats with a stickshift 350 Nova so they cant be THAT bad can they??? But let me guess....with a set of heads you have i could be going 10.20's @ 129 right??? Great.