I was wondering if anyone can give me info. on how the TORKER 2 intake worked for you ,someone on the bord offerd me one at a good price and i'm looking to get rid of my NEW VICTOR JR seeing that the more i look into it i got the wrong intake for my motor. now the RPM PREFORMER intake was the one i should of got .but will the TORKER 2
BE BETTER FOR MY MOTOR THAN THE VICTOR JR???

TH400 TRANS
STOCK 454 SHORT BLOCK
781 OVAL PORT HEADS 2.190/1.880 VALVES
ROLLER ROCKERS
HOOKER HEADERS 3.5 COLLECTOR
850 HOLLEY DP
TCI STREET FIGHTER STALL 2500-3000
LUNATI CAM LIFT AT .050 .549/.558
ADV IN/EXH 293/310 DURATION
PART #00026 (BRACKET RACER CAM)
I'M STILL WORKING ON THE REAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE I WILL GOING WITH A 3.73
ANY HELP GEAR RATIO WOULD HELP , THIS A STREET
CAR MAYBE A LITTLE RACING ;) :D ;)

Pass on the Torker, even the Edelbrock techs when pressed will admit that it is a poor performer. The Torker's main calling card is that it fits well under low hoodlines.

Get the Performer for sure! Everytime I've seen someone go from a Torker to a Performer RPM more power was always the result.

Thomas

As far as gear goes, run some equations rpm/tire dia./gear and match your shift points to the upper end of the cam's powerband. Ain't rocket science, but your guess of 3.73 is likely appropriate

Whoops, sorry.

ok thought i would give a hollar at this one...........i got to do some test with my 396 bbc 80 z28 with 3 diffent intakes. my first intake was the old streetmaster. it was ok but i thought i would be able to do better with a stock low rise intake . well that intake seemed to make tunning easier but there was no gain at the track with it over the streetmaster...in fact the streetmaster show a better 60 ft over the stock unit.....

then i took the stock low rise intake off and put the torker 2 on there........ya because i was fighting hood clearance issues........but todate it has been the best intake for my combo.... it feels alittle soggy down low.......but to me that dont matter because once i mash the gas peddle the motor goes to 3000 rpms anyway right into my power band..............it has been proven to be the fastest out of the intakes so far........

im sure i would benenfit from a nice dual plane but everything is matched. cam intake and stall and i think that what makes the difference. it runs great to 6500 rpms and just pulls............i run a 233/239@.050 lift cam with .548/.551 lift....rpm range 2500 to 6500 i run a 2800 brake stall convertor with the old torker 2 intake with 750 vac. secondary.

now i have ran the torker intake on another 396 motor and i changed to the victor jr. with my 850 holley on there and there was i big jump in my mph and e.t.s over the torker intake........i would say dont sell the victor jr.....keep it and grow into it........i gain 2 mph and dropped a few tenths in the 1/4 with the victot jr........running the motor to 7000 rpms

Originally posted by ddeennis:

then i took the stock low rise intake off and put the torker 2 on there........ya because i was fighting hood clearance issues........but todate it has been the best intake for my combo.... it feels alittle soggy down low.......but to me that dont matter because once i mash the gas peddle the motor goes to 3000 rpms anyway right into my power band..............it has been proven to be the fastest out of the intakes so far........
I'm glad someone can speak well for the Torker II! Can you post the actual E.T.'s and mph?

I was recently reading some Mopar articles and the Mopar versions of the Torker II actually seem to be amongst the better intakes. Seems for some reason Edelbrock couldn't make the Chevy versions just as good. Very interesting! Maybe it's the difference in Chevy vs. Mopar engine design (:shrug:).

I have not tried the rpm, but I have a 406 with a torkerII and 750 holley, I run a 120gph mech. fuel pump,have a crane 284h hyd cam, around 11:1 compression,10" tci converter/th350 tranny. This motor pulls really hard from 3000-6500 rpm, it feels like a very well matched combo, but as others have said it took a while to get the carb dialed in with that intake. also I run a 2inch 4 hole spacer with mixture steps under the carb.
Would love to try an rpm but I am very happy with it the way it is.

You don't need a Victor Jr. for your combo,and certainly not a Torker,unless you already have one,and are not going to spring for another intake..as everyone else here as mentioned (and you admitted) the Performer RPM is the best intake for your combo-bar none.3.73's would be the optimum gear for your combo..with tuning and traction,low 12's/high 11's are obtainable.

The Torker II (Tarantula). Is a damn fine manifold. So is the Vic Jr. Either one will work well with your combo. I've used them both with similar combos and liked them both. You wont be dissapointed with either one. If you already own the Vic, run it!

Originally posted by Glenn Kent:
If you already own the Vic, run it! Just sell it..I see by your build up that you went with the typical "bigger is better" school of thought..those 3.5" collector headers (I'm assuming they're 2" primary tubes) plus the 850 DP and a Victor Jr.The "bigger is better" school of thought has left more un-informed enthusiasts dissapointed and humbled then I care to count..your actual motor itself is a great combo..just the intake,carb,and headers are wrong.Small tube headers,along with a dual plane intake is what makes our big block powered heavy Chevelles ET well..even if your not into racing,take the advice of those that do,because it will make your combo perform at its best and make it more pleasurable to drive graemlins/thumbsup.gif

The header are plane hooker comp. headers
with 1.750 tubes . i'm will check it out later today. i had to buy collectors to run some mufflers and pipe from my headers and they are collector 3.5 to a 3.0 pipe . smile.gif

Originally posted by Robert G:
The header are plane hooker comp. headers
with 1.750 tubes Robert,your headers have 2" primary tubes

NO WONDER THEY WERE A PAIN IN THE ASS TO INSTALL tongue.gif

Robert, I'm not gonna go around quoting people, but there's nothing wrong with your headers, intake, or your carb. Sure, the RPM manifold will work great with your combo...but you don't have one. You do have a Vic and possibly a Torker II if the price is right. To answer your question, In my opinion (Based on some experience), the Torker (It is a tarantula design, right?) will not work better on your combo than the Vic on the street or the track. The RPM will work better than both for all around street driving, but that's where it ends. That being said, If you are DEFINATELY going racing and don't mind trying different things. Run the Vic...it's paid for! Small tube headers and dual plane manifolds might make some heavy chevelles E.T. well, but not all. BTW, I also have a set of Hooker Comps with 1.750 primaries and 3.5 collectors...yours probably are too. Good luck with your decision.

Originally posted by Glenn Kent:
Robert, I'm not gonna go around quoting people, but there's nothing wrong with your headers, intake, or your carb. Sure, the RPM manifold will work great with your combo...but you don't have one. You do have a Vic and possibly a Torker II if the price is right. To answer your question, In my opinion (Based on some experience), the Torker (It is a tarantula design, right?) will not work better on your combo than the Vic on the street or the track. The RPM will work better than both for all around street driving, but that's where it ends. That being said, If you are DEFINATELY going racing and don't mind trying different things. Run the Vic...it's paid for! Small tube headers and dual plane manifolds might make some heavy chevelles E.T. well, but not all. BTW, I also have a set of Hooker Comps with 1.750 primaries and 3.5 collectors...yours probably are too. Good luck with your decision. With all due respect,you are wrong..Hooker does NOT make a 1.75 " primary tube header for a BBC with a 3.5" collector,they are 2"
I suggest you either go back and measure them or provide the part # for those Hooker headers..you can check Hooker specs and part #'s here: www.summitracing.com (http://www.summitracing.com) click on "on-line catalog" then exhaust,then headers.
The only 1 3/4" primary tube BBC headers they make fit a pick-up truck,and they have 3" collectors.
Also,his car will NOT ET better with a Tarantula,Torker,or Victor Jr.The RPM will have better throttle response and is superior in every aspect to those intakes.Its been proven on this bb and several others with extensive testing.Robert will be leaving performance and ET (if he goes to the track) on the table using a single plane intake with his current combo.
Its not a race motor,it doesn't need big tube headers and a single plane intake..which kills torque,which hurts the 60 ft. and ultimately,hurts his ET,and again,even if he doesn't race,he's not getting the most out of his combo.Sure,you might think the single plane is faster because it "feels" faster,but seat of the pants doesn't mean anything-a timeslip tells all.His combo can be very,very quick though..as I said,with tuning and traction,low 12's/high 11's are certainly possible..and it won't be quicker with a single plane and big tube headers either.
Bottom Line: If you don't want to spend any money,run the Victor Jr.If you wan the BEST intake for your combo,spend money.
Robert and Glenn..no offense either..just stating facts.

Listen to Chris graemlins/thumbsup.gif performer rpm intake, 1.75" headers to 3" collector, your combo is almost identical to mine and I AM running the above mentioned parts, you will run low 12's high 11's graemlins/beers.gif

personally i wouldn't worry about changing the headers, but i would not run a Torker 2 unless i had to. if it's a torker 2 it is not a tarantula type intake as Glenn mentioned, but i don't think you'd want it either, even if it is a Tarantula style. yes the headers may be a bit on the large size for your engine, but they won't kill it, IMO. the right convertor will make alot more difference than going to the smaller headers. i do agree that the best intake to use is an rpm. i think you're a little over-carbed too, but it's not going to kill it either. my 454 had more compression than your's, but with 4.10 gears a tight 10" convertor, a Holley strip dominator intake, a cam with 270@.050 duration, and 2" S/C's, it still managed to 60ft in the 1.50's at over 3900lbs. if i could have changed anything i'd have gone to a looser convertor, or went with an rpm air gap intake. if you drive it on the street, get an air gap intake. if it's strictly race i would just run the vic jr. but don't sell the headers and intake! it's easier to get power with them later on if you want it. ;)

Just thought I'd add what little experience I have to this discussion. For the record I have an RPM and really like it. And I subscribe to the BSE school of thought, but a friend of mine (who I'd describe as a long time Hot Rod Guru) says that his opinion is that the Torker intake is an awesome intake. He has has a full bodied mid 80's chevy truck that will run in the mid 11's all day(I've seen many time slips to prove it). It's powered by a 454 that he built. It has a hydraulic cam and is topped off by a Torker intake. I can't tell you what his 60ft times were, and they could probably be improved by an RPM, BUT his truck flat hauls @SS!
Admittedly, he hasn't "kept up" with the latest technology, mainly because he can let his truck sit for weeks or months at a time then go fire it up and blast out an 11 second quarter. You'd be hard pressed to explain to him that his intake is not doing a d@mn fine job.

I have alot of respect for the opinions of the much more experienced minds here, I just wanted to share my .02 I think that's what has made this such a great place for me to learn.

is this what you are calling a tarantula?
http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Purs/torker-front.jpg

i don't believe that is the Tarantula intake, but it isn't the Torker II that this thread started out talking about either. i always called that intake a sidewinder, but maybe Tarantula is the right name for it. they are a pretty decent intake. and yes there are tons of cars out there that run damn good with those on them, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't run better with another intake on them. ;)

I have not seen a tarantula for 20 years but that is what I remember it to look like, But I could be wrong.

Yup,that's a Tarantula..had quite a few of them over the years,but I never used one..just sold 'em.

The original Torker, the Torker I if you will, was also built like that, with the carb pad set on an angle.

Check this thread (http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=018245) for a pick of a Torker II.

sound like to be alot of heated talk about his 454 (roberts g). being a bbc lover for about 13 years or so and have raced so many combos i think it would surprise most of you. And my comments only come from straight experience from the track and from parts i run. or have ran.

it is all great everyone is putting in there .02 cents worth to help robert out.

but i would highly recommend robert to keep his currents pieces like the vic jr intake,850 carb,and 2" headers.........these are great pieces to have for when the bug bites to go faster.And we all know we have been bitten by it.

as some of you are saying he is leaving e.t. on he table by not going with this part or that part...........why not look at it another way.............he doesnt have enough compression and should go bigger cam and stall......so he could be leaving e.t. and mph on the table because he doesnt have enough cam or compression with his current set up.

See my point......sure smaller can be better but smaller can only get you so far then you have to bring the big guns out...........

and robert has some of the big guns out like the intake and carb and headers.........maybe he should just match the rest of his combo to those parts and have a killer 10 sec street machine those parts can easly be ran to.

all im doing here is to open minds to other thinking...........

i myself if i was in roberts shoes i would keep my currents parts on the motor and start making plans to match them better to my motor so i could run faster then 12's why limit yourself.....................

MAN DID I OPEN A CAN OF WORMS!!! :eek: I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THERE INPUT. BUT I THINK WE BEAT THIS SUBJECT TO THE GROUND . I KNOW NOW WHAT THE IDLE PARTS TO HAVE ON A 454 IN A CHEVELLE .
AND I WISH I WOULD OF FOUND THIS SITE BEFORE I STARTED BUYING MY PARTS .BUT OH WELL
THIS MOTOR IS IN GREAT SHAPE AND WHEN ITS TIME TO GO BIGGER IT LOOKS LIKE I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK
SO I WILL SUPER TUNE THE PARTS IN . THAN TAKE IT FROM THERE
THANKS graemlins/beers.gif

Robert,

I did the same thing when I started to make my first BB motor before I got a copy of Desktop Dyno so that I could compare sim. engine parts changes..

It's sure cheaper buying a sim. program then buying mis-matched parts.

pdq67

PS., I went from a 454 to a .100" over 475 to a 496 stroker motor and changed cams twice from a 218 at .050" torque hy-cam to a 282S solid cam and from a Weiand 8005 dual plane to a Holley Strip Dom. single plane so you see what I mean...

I traded a schosh a lowend for some topend AND got a great big "tow-truck" grunt motor in the process!! About 550hp at 5500rpm and 580t at 4500rpm simulated anyway....

Heck, I still have two brand new mild hy- cams and the new .100" over flat-top KB 202-100 pistons in three boxes..

1989, I ran a torker II on my 11-1 396, L-88 cammed(.560-.580 solid) with mildly ported 290 oval ports. Had a NOS power shot(125)on her with a 4000 stall and 4.56's. Ran best of 10.92 @121 mph.
Granted, there are better intakes, but for what I paid for mine(I was 19 and on a budget)it served it's purpose. Anytime you can run 10's is a blessing.