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: confusion on LT1 vs VORTEC


Nightwrencher
Sep 14th, 07, 2:34 PM
I've been pondering which top end/engine to use on my chevelle. here and there I see some good deals on top ends in the ads. I have a 327 and 350 gen1 blocks to choose from. I plan on using either stock or aftermarket FI

My question is: I've read that "LT1" heads won't work on gen1 w/o a lot of modification due to the reverse cooling, and "vortecs" bolt right up just need matching intake and self-align rockers

what doesn't make sense is that '92-'97 V8's are gen2/LT1 and the vortecs ran from '96-'98, wouldn't this mean vortecs were on LT1's with reverse cooling? and on ls1 >97. or did GM use gen1 engines simultaneously for the vortec blocks.

reason is I need to know the diff and compatability, when searching the adds a lot of people use the term "vortec" and "LT1" very freely weather it's because they don't know or just want to sell the parts. a lot of people pull an engine, see centerbolt valve covers and assume it's a vortec (I've seen many people selling "late 80's vortecs) and calling anything 92 and up an LT1. also I know there are many differences in heads which may or maynot have different interchanges "LT1 heads, L98, etc.

I would really appreciate info here as this always throw me off. basically looking for anything that can be bolted to a gen1, and use a distributor and FI (willing to go aftermarket on ECM) besides clearing up my confusion, year/applications/casting numbers would surely help. right now I saw a LT1 head/intake/injection combo in the ads, I still have to call to get the specifics.

I searched around the forum a few times and really couldn't find an answer. thanks ahead of time

Schurkey
Sep 14th, 07, 3:10 PM
what doesn't make sense is that '92-'97 V8's are gen2/LT1 and the vortecs ran from '96-'98, wouldn't this mean vortecs were on LT1's with reverse cooling? and on ls1 >97. or did GM use gen1 engines simultaneously for the vortec blocks.
To simplify a bit, the LT1 went into cars, and had the reverse cooling like an old Pontiac. The Vortec went into light-duty trucks, and had standard cooling.
So, yes, there were two kinds of Chevy small-blocks made in that time frame. They all had one-piece rear mains; so neither was a "Gen 1" block. The LS-series is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT engine; I refuse to pretend that they are even a Chevrolet Small Block. (it may be a "small block", but it isn't a Chevy Small Block.)

For your application, you're looking for what is commonly called Vortec- or Vortec-compatible heads and intake. Be aware that GM used the word "Vortec" as far back as '85 or so on the 90 degree V-6; and even the 454 and 8.1 liter engines have been called "Vortec". It's a marketing thing--they want people to forget that at one time each division of GM had their own engine--Olds big and small blocks, Pontiac V-8, Buick big and small blocks, etc. Now you're supposed to be satisfied that you have a Vortec engine, rather than a Buick or Chevy or whatever engine.

Bowtie-72
Sep 14th, 07, 3:15 PM
Vortec heads were used only on the 1996-2001 era Full size chassis GM trucks (C/K, Van, Cube, etc). They were only on the 5.7L, but can be found in 1/2-ton or up to 1-ton. The ones in 3/4 and 1-ton backed by4L80s also were 4 bolt main blocks. LT-1s were mostly camaro/firebird/vette applications, and with the reverse cooling, front cover area distributor, and other details, they aren't the same really at all.

The easy way to ID them is not only the centerbolt valve covers, but they used only 2 bolts percorner on the intake, and none near the carb area. These bolts also were not canted in, but run vertically.

The vortec heads (and aftermarket copies like e-tec) have been steadily gaining popularity and support, so there's more options out there now than a few years ago. Weind makes a Stealth Ram vortec EFI intake/kit, Edelbrock also has one, plus a few other companies. One option could also be to use a Throttle body on top of a carbureted manifold using an adapter (GM actually makes a TBI type vortec manifold). I'm sure I missed something, but this will help guide you some.

Bowtie-72
Sep 14th, 07, 3:15 PM
Wow, Schurkey types faster than me....