Could it be???
Read this;
http://drr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=3476075&f=80760912&m=280600796

i sure as hell hope they're not going out of business! it took me a year to get someone at P/T to look at the pieces of crap heads they sent me! once they looked them over, they had no alternative than to replace the castings. i'm waiting for them now. they've also the the valves, springs, etc off of the junk set i sent them. i sure hope they don't stick it in my ass again! i missed the entire year of racing last season due to their turds they want to call cylinder heads. :mad:

Originally posted by m71:
i sure as hell hope they're not going out of business! it took me a year to get someone at P/T to look at the pieces of crap heads they sent me! once they looked them over, they had no alternative than to replace the castings. i'm waiting for them now. they've also the the valves, springs, etc off of the junk set i sent them. i sure hope they don't stick it in my ass again! i missed the entire year of racing last season due to their turds they want to call cylinder heads. :mad: =
From your post, Someone might get the idea you weren't happy with them :D

I heard it wasn't supposed to be permanent but I was talking to one of my head suppliers that has dealers in Australia & their dealer drove by the Topline factory & said it looked "locked down"??

m71,
what exactly was wrong with them??
thanx,
shane

I have Pro Topline 320cc 119cc Iron heads, they made great numbers with my 505 setup...

things that were wrong: the first thing i noticed were the sending unit threads were tapped wrong, second thing was that the heads were cut for 2.05 intakes and they sent 2.02's, the spark plug holes come out at a funky angle (these were straight plug head) and i could not even come close to using the same headers that i'd had on the car for several years. next the intake face was not machined down properly so the intake would not line up with the ports like it should. then the fact that i was lied to and given the runaround for about a year from one of their reps and their customer service. oh yeah, the phone number for customer service that was on my warranty paper that came with the heads was no longer in service when i tried to call them. graemlins/angry.gif i was told by a rep of theirs that if i hadn't bolted the heads onto my engine that they would have replaced them. now how the hell was i supposed to know that the intake ports were not going to work, if the heads aren't on the engine? i mean when you pay $1200 for a set of heads you wouldn't think that you'd need to check how thick the intake face is, would you? from now on i will, i can tell you that. the only thing you're guaranteed these days is that the parts you're buying have a better than average chance of being fudged up from the factory, so you better check everything you can imagine that might be wrong. i have several other horror stories about their heads that my machinest has told me about. one set of heads he recieved didn't even have the intake mounting holes drilled or tapped, one set had the rocker studs all off center, combustion chambers won't clear many domed pistons, and one set was cast bad in the water jacket, it had a hole about the size of a pencil just pouring water right into the oil. there are other minor probs too, but i can see why they are going out of business. with quality and service like that, i'm surprised they lasted this long. graemlins/clonk.gif BTW, i bought a set of Pro 1's, couldn't be happier. :D

One of these days, you guys will all realize that "you get what you pay for" The PT heads "looked" ok, but for as cheap as they were, there had to be something wrong. Guess they were not making any money on them ?
Its very rare that you see those types of problems on the "Old Line" manufacturer's products, and when there is a problem, they take care of it, but ... you have to pay for that quality and service. This does not only go for engine parts .. look at all the cheap aftermarket sheet metal out there, and all you hear is complaints about it not fitting properly, but ... would you guys pay the price for properly fitting fenders ? From what I have seen, probably not :(

Just my opinion,

well actually i like to do things one time, the right way. even if it costs me a little more to do so. but i had heard nothing but praise about P/T and they are only $50 cheaper than Darts, so i din't realize what i was getting into. lesson learned. there's a reason Dart has been around awhile, and there's a reason P/T isn't going to be.

the reason i asked was i just bought a pair and they seem to be okay..have not installed them yet.
how can i check the water jackets??and can i put a intake gasket up to the intake ports and check to make sure that everything lines up?these are the cast iron 200/64's.
anybody else have any issues or hear of any issuses with these heads????
thanx,
shane

His wasn't the only ones... http://www.chevelles.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=019041;p=2

Read my post in there. Factory assembled heads and they were by far the worst set of heads for anything I have ever seen. The castings was absolutely terrible. I got all the issues resolved at my expense, and they do work very well now. Would I ever buy another set of their heads? Hell no. I could have bought a set of aluminum canfields or afr's for what I have in these iron heads. Check around...there are a lot of very unsatisfied PT customers out there.

Originally posted by thrasher:
Could it be???
Read this;
http://drr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=3476075&f=80760912&m=280600796 graemlins/hurray.gif graemlins/hurray.gif we finally have solved one thing here . one guy got junk heads i know 6 people who use theese heads and the only problem were mine i have the 235 cc heads on my motown 427 small block with a dyno of 585 hp and 558 foot pounds torque all by 6.500 rpm the only problem i know of was mine i bought a small block pro mod head in there thunder line and they were straight plug heads but come on guys the heads are built for step leg headders so i had to bang 2 tubes to get the headders on ? pro toplines bad head . no think not builder error .and i might mention i get theese numbers at 9.5.1 comp on 91 octane ha ha ha most big blocks with the ever so comon oval heads cant make that so out of six heads i know of no real problems . could it be you ordered bare heads fresh cast by mistake and the machine work was to be finished by your machaniest .. i to have friends who make monster problems where there was none just because its in their nature to do so. this i myself have also done. for every product sold there is always one whiner looking to get something extra or for free who screw it up for the rest of us they are the people who make prices go up but hey your heads may truly be bad i have owned dart pro 1 edelbrock fulies brodix holley heads and none gave the bang for the buck as the topline do. my 744 hp 540 in my 69 camaro has pro 1 345 cc heads and my friends 540 has cnc 355 pro ones and there is a 24 hp diffrence in our motors. ON PUMP GAS sory to hear your heads were junk better luck next pair .. good luck finding an unported set of heads for a small block that make big numbers yes my 235 are cast iron cnc and they are perfect sometimes the guy doing the clowning is the biggest clown of all he just dosent know it .. need help with your heads i know where 1.700 pair are setting im sure i can get you a deal that woulkd make you happy and i bet a lil more power than you are used to..so is it a clown story or do u have junk heads you decide.. got any pics of them heads ???/ as for them going out of buisness i have a direct order number and a machine shop who i could get a straight awnser from look for it in next 2 days ok back again here is a number that was good as of 10 min ago when i csalled at 11:35 am california time 3/01/04 649-2690 505.. good luck to those who need it

i'll be finding out here today myself. ;) and what heads have you ever seen that the intake face wouldn't be machined? or even the holes drilled to mount your intake? i've neer heard of that and i've been into racing for 17 years. it was guys like you that i listened to, that said how great they were, now i might be out $1200, you tell me if you wouldn't be whining about it. or if it doesn't bother you to drop $1200 for no apparant reason, then send some to me! :D

I've purchased one set of 200cc Pro Topline aluminum heads with straight plugs. Bought them bare and installed my own parts.

Casting quality was very good, They came with a factory bowl blend and no slag or casting flash in the runners at all.

There were some unique things with the heads though . . .

Intake ports are tall and narrow. A standard Felpro 1205 gasket is too short and the intake will typically need to be match ported.

Plug locations are different from stock. This may make plug access with certain headers a bear. Hooker Comps for 69 Camaro had terrible access for cylinders #3 and 5.

The heads performed very well on the 327 we installed them on. The car ran a best of 12.4 @ 108 with a mild Comp 282s cam and 10.3:1 compression.

Digging up an old post, but does anyone have any updated info on Pro Topline being in or out of business?

Originally posted by bluerebl:
Digging up an old post, but does anyone have any updated info on Pro Topline being in or out of business? Last word I heard is they are now owned by Comp & will be being sold under the old RHS banner.
Hopefully the quality will be a little more consistent,, preferably towards the good side ;)

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bluerebl:
Digging up an old post, but does anyone have any updated info on Pro Topline being in or out of business? Last word I heard is they are now owned by Comp & will be being sold under the old RHS banner.
Hopefully the quality will be a little more consistent,, preferably towards the good side ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Confirmed:

http://www.competitionplus.com/2005_01_13/new_products.html

Since RHS is owned by Comp...

FWIW - If you didn't already know, Wilson Manifolds has also been purchased by Competition Cams.

Pretty soon there are only going to be a few major players in the aftermarket....

Scary stuff.....

well for those of you who like them , i know who's going to be making them again :) Also my engine builder knows where to get the right now, i saw 2 sets in original boxes there last week and he said he knows where there at and how to get them. As far as i understand, they have never had a problem with them.

Mike

Pretty soon there are only going to be a few major players in the aftermarket....

Scary stuff.....

Yeah and you know what that means.....inexpensive parts at a fraction of the quality!!!! Heck soon enough Everyone will be owned by Holley or Mr Gasket. Edelbrock is a dynasty all of its own and im sure Comp Cams will get there hand in the "corporate takeover" pot as well. They're plenty big enough. God bless the small company who specialize in 1 or 2 aspects of the industry, do it damn well, and take good care of their customers.

My Pro 200cc Iron's aren't making anywhere near the power they should if they flowed as advertised. Plus the guides were shot and both heads cracked between the valves after 4000miles. NEVER overheated.

Wish I could have my $900(purchase)$500 Repair back for some Brodix.

If the guides were shot why did you use them? If they cracked and were never overheated, why didn't you send them back? What did P/T have to say, or did you call them? Also, there are MANY variables along with flow numbers as to why a particular engine makes the expected numbers, or not. Did you flow the heads? That's pretty easy to do.