SWHEATON
Sep 2nd, 07, 8:53 PM
MODERATORS,I POSTED THIS IN PERFORMANCE & ENGINE FORUMS TO ENSURE ALL T/CR'S THAT ARE RUNNING FLAT TAPPET CAM'S HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE IT TO HELP THEM AVOID PREMATURE CAM/LIFTER FAILURE.
GUYS,here is a post with info for a new ZDDP additive sold on ebay that looks very promissing if its tuely what its marketed to be,tell me what you think of it.
If it is the real deal that mixes well with convetional & syn oils its truely the answer to what we need to protect our flat tappet cams for good,no more guessing and constant testing to see if the oil we are using still has the ZDDP lvl the mfg claims it does .
!!!!! THANKS SO MUCH TO " REDDOG/A FELLOW T/C'R " FOR POSTING THIS INFO.!!!!!!!!!
SEE REDDOGDS POST (directly below) AND THE EBAY ZDDP PRODUCT INFO (below Reddog's post).
SCOTT
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HERE IS REDDOG'S POST:
Here is what was sent to me by the folks selling the additive on ebay.
Hello Reddog,
Here is a test we just received on August 30th.... (I attached the test to your email... The answer is 8.1% Phosphorus and 10.9% Zinc.) This is for a four ounce bottle... that gets mixed in with 4 to 6 quarts of motor oil.... So you will have to do the math for your oil capacity..
We test every batch we sell and Harris Testing Laboratories in Houston, TX does most of our testing.. They can be reach at: Phone 713-237-9039...
Thanks..
Dave
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CERTIFICATE OF ANALYSIS
CLIENT PRODUCT: Lubricating oil
Navone Engineering, Inc. MARKS: Sample H
4119 Coronado Avenue, Suite 4 DATE RECEIVED: 8/30/2007
Stockton, CA 95204-2336 LAB NO: HH0708-3001
SUBMITTED BY: Navone Engineering, Inc.
SPECIFICIATION
METHOD TEST RESULTS MIN MAX
D-4951 Phosphorus, wt.% 8.1 XXX XXX
AA Zinc, wt. % 10.9 XXX XXX
Comments:
Date issued: _________________________
8/31/2007 Chemist
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HERE IS THE EBAY ITEM #180152917927 & AUCTION INFO FOR THE ZDDP ADDITIVE:
After 70+ years of trouble-free, metal-metal engine protection, the US Government is eliminating ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate = Zinc and Phosphorus) from domestic motor oil. If your engine was designed prior to the 1990s, your non-roller lifters may require ZDDP in your motor oil to avoid premature deterioration. Don’t let your lifters run metal-to-metal. Keep ZDDP, via ZddPlus, in your motor oil. Add the 4 fluid ounce contents of this ZddPlus bottle at every oil change. Each 4 ounce bottle of ZddPlus contains more than twice the ZDDP of GM's EOS.
Why is ZDDP being removed from motor oil?
Because contemporary engines with roller bearings no longer require the additional protection of Zinc and Phosphorus. Not true for classic cars, tractors, muscle cars, etc. Also removing the Zinc and Phosphorus from motor oil increases the life of the catalytic converter. But classic cars, tractors, etc., don’t have cats! Also, as part of its ongoing effort to reduce vehicle emissions, the EPA has mandated that emission systems must have a service life exceeding 120,000 miles. To achieve this, automotive manufacturers have required oil suppliers to remove additive packages from motor oils that could reduce emissions compliance.
ZddPlus is not a typical oil additive. By adding a small 4 ounce bottle of ZddPlus at every oil change, an adequate amount of Zinc and Phosphorus will continue to protect your classic engine. ZddPlus simply maintains the Zinc and Phosphorus that has recently been removed. ZddPlus — Don’t drive off without it!
How ZddPlus Works
When the pressure and temperature of a metal-to-metal junction increases, the compounds in ZddPlus instantly create an extremely thin, glass-like barrier that prevents the two metals from coming into contact with each other. For instance, when the engine is under a heavy load from racing, jack-rabbit starts, up-hill climbs, passing, etc., the area between the tappet and the cam shaft instantly becomes protected by the Zinc – Phosphorus created barrier. When the engine is not stressed, the ZddPlus simply remains dissolved in the motor oil. ZddPlus is like adding an insurance policy to your engine. It’s there when you need it.
How Much to ZddPlus Add
We recommend adding the entire 4 ounces of ZddPlus per 4 to 5 quart oil change. Just unscrew the cap and pour the contents of the ZddPlus bottle into the engine oil input of your vehicle. (Be sure to dispose of the bottle in a safe manner.) This will yield around the proper amount of Phosphorus and Zinc. Large capacity systems can use two bottles and the contents of the ZddPlus bottle can also be split for smaller engine oil capacities. --- This product is intended for Pre OBDII, off-road, and racing vehicles only.
--- For Off-Road Vehicles ONLY! ---
We’ll accept PayPal, MasterCard, VISA, American Express, and Discover Credit Cards, and Money Orders. See below for shipping info.
We’ll ship to anywhere in the lower 48 states for $5.00 US.. Two bottles ship for $7.50. Six bottles for $10.00. Shipping to Canada is $10.00 US. And we’ll ship to Europe and Asia for $20.00 via USPS Priority Air Mail. Please e-mail shipping questions to: carsounddave@davidnavone.com .
GUYS,here is a post with info for a new ZDDP additive sold on ebay that looks very promissing if its tuely what its marketed to be,tell me what you think of it.
If it is the real deal that mixes well with convetional & syn oils its truely the answer to what we need to protect our flat tappet cams for good,no more guessing and constant testing to see if the oil we are using still has the ZDDP lvl the mfg claims it does .
!!!!! THANKS SO MUCH TO " REDDOG/A FELLOW T/C'R " FOR POSTING THIS INFO.!!!!!!!!!
SEE REDDOGDS POST (directly below) AND THE EBAY ZDDP PRODUCT INFO (below Reddog's post).
SCOTT
================================================== ===================
HERE IS REDDOG'S POST:
Here is what was sent to me by the folks selling the additive on ebay.
Hello Reddog,
Here is a test we just received on August 30th.... (I attached the test to your email... The answer is 8.1% Phosphorus and 10.9% Zinc.) This is for a four ounce bottle... that gets mixed in with 4 to 6 quarts of motor oil.... So you will have to do the math for your oil capacity..
We test every batch we sell and Harris Testing Laboratories in Houston, TX does most of our testing.. They can be reach at: Phone 713-237-9039...
Thanks..
Dave
File name: ZddPlusHarrisLab22.doc | File type: application/msword Download File - Need Help?
CERTIFICATE OF ANALYSIS
CLIENT PRODUCT: Lubricating oil
Navone Engineering, Inc. MARKS: Sample H
4119 Coronado Avenue, Suite 4 DATE RECEIVED: 8/30/2007
Stockton, CA 95204-2336 LAB NO: HH0708-3001
SUBMITTED BY: Navone Engineering, Inc.
SPECIFICIATION
METHOD TEST RESULTS MIN MAX
D-4951 Phosphorus, wt.% 8.1 XXX XXX
AA Zinc, wt. % 10.9 XXX XXX
Comments:
Date issued: _________________________
8/31/2007 Chemist
================================================== ===================
HERE IS THE EBAY ITEM #180152917927 & AUCTION INFO FOR THE ZDDP ADDITIVE:
After 70+ years of trouble-free, metal-metal engine protection, the US Government is eliminating ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate = Zinc and Phosphorus) from domestic motor oil. If your engine was designed prior to the 1990s, your non-roller lifters may require ZDDP in your motor oil to avoid premature deterioration. Don’t let your lifters run metal-to-metal. Keep ZDDP, via ZddPlus, in your motor oil. Add the 4 fluid ounce contents of this ZddPlus bottle at every oil change. Each 4 ounce bottle of ZddPlus contains more than twice the ZDDP of GM's EOS.
Why is ZDDP being removed from motor oil?
Because contemporary engines with roller bearings no longer require the additional protection of Zinc and Phosphorus. Not true for classic cars, tractors, muscle cars, etc. Also removing the Zinc and Phosphorus from motor oil increases the life of the catalytic converter. But classic cars, tractors, etc., don’t have cats! Also, as part of its ongoing effort to reduce vehicle emissions, the EPA has mandated that emission systems must have a service life exceeding 120,000 miles. To achieve this, automotive manufacturers have required oil suppliers to remove additive packages from motor oils that could reduce emissions compliance.
ZddPlus is not a typical oil additive. By adding a small 4 ounce bottle of ZddPlus at every oil change, an adequate amount of Zinc and Phosphorus will continue to protect your classic engine. ZddPlus simply maintains the Zinc and Phosphorus that has recently been removed. ZddPlus — Don’t drive off without it!
How ZddPlus Works
When the pressure and temperature of a metal-to-metal junction increases, the compounds in ZddPlus instantly create an extremely thin, glass-like barrier that prevents the two metals from coming into contact with each other. For instance, when the engine is under a heavy load from racing, jack-rabbit starts, up-hill climbs, passing, etc., the area between the tappet and the cam shaft instantly becomes protected by the Zinc – Phosphorus created barrier. When the engine is not stressed, the ZddPlus simply remains dissolved in the motor oil. ZddPlus is like adding an insurance policy to your engine. It’s there when you need it.
How Much to ZddPlus Add
We recommend adding the entire 4 ounces of ZddPlus per 4 to 5 quart oil change. Just unscrew the cap and pour the contents of the ZddPlus bottle into the engine oil input of your vehicle. (Be sure to dispose of the bottle in a safe manner.) This will yield around the proper amount of Phosphorus and Zinc. Large capacity systems can use two bottles and the contents of the ZddPlus bottle can also be split for smaller engine oil capacities. --- This product is intended for Pre OBDII, off-road, and racing vehicles only.
--- For Off-Road Vehicles ONLY! ---
We’ll accept PayPal, MasterCard, VISA, American Express, and Discover Credit Cards, and Money Orders. See below for shipping info.
We’ll ship to anywhere in the lower 48 states for $5.00 US.. Two bottles ship for $7.50. Six bottles for $10.00. Shipping to Canada is $10.00 US. And we’ll ship to Europe and Asia for $20.00 via USPS Priority Air Mail. Please e-mail shipping questions to: carsounddave@davidnavone.com .