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: Critique my SBC Combo


DEEBOO
Nov 27th, 03, 2:27 PM
This is a street engine going into a sbc 84 Z28 Camaro convertible.
My SBC 408

Engine: 400 SBC ID# 330817/14y139664/ T0508CSU
(4.125 bore X 3.750 stroke) after .040 bore (4.165 bore x 3.75 stroke =408)
Deck Plate Bored, Mains Align Honed, Block Deck .002, Deck Plug Holes & Tap w/3/16 Holes, Starter Bolt Drilled, Front Three Gallery Plugs Tap for ¾ Pipe Plugs.

Crank: Scat 9000 Crank 3.750 6.00, Internally Balance, Part# 400-3750-6000

Bearing: Clevite– MS1038P Mains and CB663P Rods

Piston: Wiseco Pistons, .040 over, 5.4cc; 430 grams, Part# PT020H4

Rods: Eagle ESP 4340 H-Rods 6.0, Part# CRS6000B3D

Block: Zero Deck: 0.002

Compression Ratio: Static-10:44 Dynamic-8:27

Cam: Grind: Solid Lunati/ (Recommended by Harold Brookshire)
280/284F10 .525/.530 Lift, 247/251@.050, 159/162 at .200, .560/.565 valve lift(1.6), Beats the Comp Cam 294S hands down. Pro-Street power with an extra 5* at .200"
2500-7000 RPM, Advance Cam 4* Degrees as Per Harold, .026" Valve Lash Hot, Adjustment Range: .018" to .030" Hot.

Heads: AFR 195 Part# 1035 w/23º valve angle, 74cc, drilled steam holes
Springs for Solid Cam- 130-135 Seat and 325-330 Open 280/284F10

Head Gasket: Fel-Pro-1014 / .039 in. compressed thickness, 4.200 in. bore, 9.0 cc compressed volume

Intake: Edelbrock RPM #7101

Carb: Holley 750

Rear End Gear: 3:73

Transmission: Pro-Built Street/Strip 700R4

Stall Converter: A.C.T. 3000 Stall

Exhaust: Hooker Super Comp headers 1 5/8 Headers part # 2460-1 ceramic coated;
Hooker Super Competition high flow cat-back exhaust system, Intermediate pipe: 3 in.
* Tail pipe diameter: 2 1/2 in.
* Dual tail pipes out the rear under the bumper

Bob West
Nov 27th, 03, 3:03 PM
Pipeline fuel system per Harold :D Are you sure it will beat the comp cams hands down? Might get low 12's high 11's

DEEBOO
Nov 27th, 03, 3:27 PM
Originally posted by Rapid Robert:
Pipeline fuel system per Harold :D Are you sure it will beat the comp cams hands down? Thats what was on Ultradyne web-site before it closed. I know its .005 fatter at .200 than the comp cam. Is im sure it will out perform the comp cam No, but I have to believe what my grinder tells me and Harold is a well respected man, so I TRUST him. Just as if I bought a cam from Crane, Comp, K-Motion you can only believe what you are told. There are a lot of people that highly recommend Harold cams. graemlins/hurray.gif

Fuji
Nov 27th, 03, 5:21 PM
Deeboo,

Can you post the the valve event timing for that cam @ .020 lift?

Thanks,

onovakind67
Nov 27th, 03, 6:05 PM
Here's what I believe.
I believe that the Hooker 2460-1's are not SC's but are 1-5/8 x 15" shorty headers with a 3" x 4" collector. Compared to a well-designed system, I believe that these will cost you an average of 35 hp and 45#ft of torque from 1500 to 6000 rpm, a loss of about 1/2 second in the quarter. A high overlap cam like the huge one you picked needs a good scavenging exhaust system.
I believe that the 700R4 will like to run in an rpm range that your cam won't like. 60 mph @ 2000 rpm with the converter locked.
I believe 3/4 pipe plugs will be a little large for the oil galley plugs, they would be what you use to plug the deck holes. The oil galleys will take a 1/4 pipe plug.
I believe you'll need a roll bar in the car to run it at a NHRA strip.

m71
Nov 27th, 03, 6:37 PM
i think everything sounds pretty good except the headers and exhaust. not sure if a single 3" pipe is good enough and the headers will surely cost you some power compared to a full length set, especially if the full length set are 1 3/4" primaries. what does the car weigh? if it weighs 3600lbs then i'm guessing low 12's, if it's more like 3200lbs then i'll say possibly high 11's.

DEEBOO
Nov 28th, 03, 1:10 AM
Originally posted by onovakind67:
Here's what I believe.
I believe that the Hooker 2460-1's are not SC's but are 1-5/8 x 15" shorty headers with a 3" x 4" collector. Compared to a well-designed system, I believe that these will cost you an average of 35 hp and 45#ft of torque from 1500 to 6000 rpm, a loss of about 1/2 second in the quarter. A high overlap cam like the huge one you picked needs a good scavenging exhaust system.
I believe that the 700R4 will like to run in an rpm range that your cam won't like. 60 mph @ 2000 rpm with the converter locked.
I believe 3/4 pipe plugs will be a little large for the oil galley plugs, they would be what you use to plug the deck holes. The oil galleys will take a 1/4 pipe plug.
I believe you'll need a roll bar in the car to run it at a NHRA strip. Here is a picture of my exhaust system, its sort of a dual with 2- 1/2 then into a y-collector, then into a 3'pipe in the rear wheel wells.
take a look at the pictures:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=155711

bigjimzlll
Nov 28th, 03, 1:26 AM
Nice lookin system....I think it will hurt your performance by atleast 40 HP over full length headers and free flowing true duals though

DEEBOO
Nov 28th, 03, 2:36 PM
I will just have to try this combination of parts with what I have now because I already have them. The only thing left to buy are the AFR heads after Christmas. I cannot afford to change these parts out at will, but I will keep the recommendation in mind once I need to make a few changes later down the road. As long as it can dominate the Cobras & GT Mustang I will be happy....

m71
Nov 28th, 03, 9:25 PM
i don't think you'll have a problem doing that at all. ;)
the reason i say the exhaust will hurt it is because i know a guy who had a very similar motor with abou the same set up as you, except it's in a G-body malibu. when he ditched the single 3" system for dual 3" it picked his time up right at 3 tenths in the 1/4mi. he went from 11.70's to 11.40's.
i can understand not being able to change things so much due to the budget. shoot, i've had my 71 Chevelle since 1987 and i still don't have it where i want it, by along shot. smile.gif

DEEBOO
Nov 28th, 03, 10:57 PM
This was some Crane Cams that I was considering, did I make the right choice by using the UDHarold/Lunati:

Crane Cam Tech suggested that I use the Crane
113841 Cam.
http://dab7.cranecams.com/SpecCard/DisplayCatalogCard.asp?PN=113841&B1=Display+Card

I had my mind set on the Crane 114681 Cam before the UDHarold Cam.
http://dab7.cranecams.com/SpecCard/DisplayCatalogCard.asp?PN=114681&B1=Display+Card

DEEBOO
Nov 30th, 03, 9:12 AM
I will changing the headers to Holley 2210-1 a Tube Size 1 3/4 in. x 28 in., Collector Size 3 in.,Collector Length 6 1/2 in.
However it will be hard to run true duals on a street ride third gen Camaro without scrapping the ground and going over speed bumps. As for the rest of the exhaust I will try to see if I can fit 2-single 3" pipe to the Y-Collector and 3" to the areochamber muffler, then 2 1/2 exit out the rear. Take a look at the pictures the two long pipes will be 3" into the Y-Collector. Everything will probably stay the same. If im lucky enough to get on the track one day I would just disconnect the exhaust at the Y- Collector and run them open. opinions please.....
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=155711