I bought a 69 Chevelle vin# 136379k398289 Cowl 13637kan243434 tr782 59bpnt 02a 03605 would like to know what I have. Ron

as far as i know you have to match vin on block stamping to b sure,at front rh pad area under alternater or at side at oil filter.on big block does this help?

Go to chevellestuff.com

I bought a 69 Chevelle vin# 136379k398289 Cowl 13637kan243434 tr782 59bpnt 02a 03605 would like to know what I have. RonMy Chevellestuff.com site is down right now as it's being transferred to a different server and DNS hasn't propagated yet.

VIN
13637 - Malibu V8 Sport Coupe
9 - 1979
K - Kansas City final assembly plant
398289 - Vehicle sequence number, first 69 Chevelle from KC was 300,001 so yours is the 98,289th 69 Chevelle from KC.

COWL TAG
13637 - Fisher body style number - DOES NOT MEAN A V8 like the VIN does.
KAN - Kansas City final assembly plant
243434 - Fisher Body tracking number - of no real significance now
TR782 - Interior trim color/style - Midnight Green Rior Cloth/Aff. Midnight Green Coated Fabric bench seat
59B PNT - lower/upper body color or fabric color - 59 is lower body color of Frost Green and B is a black vinyl top
02a - Body assembly date, February 1st week
03605 - another Fisher Body tracking number

need some help with vin # 136379b358190 and TR753 and BL139619 AND71 71PNT ST69

need some help with vin # 136379b358190 and TR753 and BL139619 AND71 71PNT ST69

71 71 = lemans blue body & roof i.e. no vinyl top.

need some help with vin # 136379b358190 and TR753 and BL139619 AND71 71PNT ST69
VIN
13637 - Malibu V8 Sport Coupe
9 - 1979
B - Baltimore final assembly plant
358190 - Vehicle sequence number, first 69 Chevelle from KC was 300,001 so yours is the 58,190th69 Chevelle from Baltimore.
COWL TAG
BAL - Baltimore final assembly plant
139619 - Fisher Body tracking number - of no real significance now
TR753 - Interior trim color/style - Black Rior Cloth/Coated Fabric bench seat
71 71 PNT - lower/upper body color or fabric color - solid Lemans Blue

Ron, From what i have been told in the past all 69 chevelle SS cars that were built in Kansas, (mine has this)
have the letter L somewhere in the bottom line sequence of the cowl tag. Sounds like a nice color combo, though. Good luck with it.
69 Chevelle SSguy

Ron, From what i have been told in the past all 69 chevelle SS cars that were built in Kansas, (mine has this)
have the letter L somewhere in the bottom line sequence of the cowl tag. Sounds like a nice color combo, though. Good luck with it.
69 Chevelle SSguyIt's only suspected, nothing is proven yet. Research is still ongoing about any 69 & 70 plant's body plates and SS status.

I know someone was collecting this data on TC for 69 Kansas SS's.

I wonder what the current statistics show?

My Numbers 69 SS Kansas also had the "L".

I think the data highly favors this but haven't seen any recent statistics.

Anybody know?

I think the data highly favors this but haven't seen any recent statistics.

Anybody know?


As in, "Anybody know for sure?". No, nobody knows for sure. See the post directly above yours.

No, as in I remember someone from this site was collecting data, does anybody have any recent statistics on the data collected?

Hello there all, Think I am the one mentioned as collecting the 69 info. My info is no longer Kansas specific and I haven't had a chance to sit down and pull the latest and greatest together. I am currently in Casablanca, Morocco on military work, sadly no 69 cevelles rnning the streets here... I will try and put some of the info together and provide an update for those interested. As Dale and others mention there is NO positive proof of the L being related to the SS option in either the Kansas or Baltimore plants. The problem arising is a lack of originally documented cars that can be used to provide the needed data to help eliminate any doubt. The best proof would be authentic GM documentation that identifies the codes and what they were for. although you will find those on here that are uninterested in them and that think they mean nothing significant. To each their own I think...i'll continue to gather info and research until I can't.....it is interesting to me and has now become a large data base of tag and VIN info for all the 69 plants. I can always use additional eyes out in the field locating tags and VINs and reporting them to me. There were alot of chevelles made in 69 and I have merely a drop in the bucket to work with. more to follow...sorry to run on but i hope this helps some with their interest on the 69 subject. Andy

I think several of us would be interested in a summary of the Data collected.

I can see an extremely well done Kansas clone fooling an owner and him swearing his original Kansas SS had no "L"

It would be interesting to see how many exceptions you had of SS's without the "L", and what documentation backed their authenticity, to perhaps isolate your focus entirely on the exceptions, to try to disprove the Theory.

Perhaps with an owner of an exceptions approval, submit the vehicle to inspection by a local qualified Team member to prove or disprove SS origin.

Or, even easier, an example of a Non SS, Kansas Malibu car with the "L".

My guess is that you have enough data to find at least one documented example that disproves the theory if there's no fact to it. If it is indeed Urban myth.

It would be much easier to disprove it than prove it.

And If you can't disprove it with the very large database you already have, I'm sure we'd all agree that an extrapolation of 500 cars or more, would solidify the theory.

I'd be more interested to see if it can be disproved.

Again I have no idea of how many Kansas specimens you've collected, and how many currently conflict with the theory.

I'm sure we have several qualified individuals on this site, who'd be willing to help authenticate an exception to the Theory you've collected.

To either document and disprove the Theory, or eliminate the exception to the Database.

In the end if you have no exceptions in a collection of say 500 cars, I would say we have our answer to a 99.9% certainty until disproved.

Well to partially answer your question I have approxiamtely 551 entries at this time. The idea that 500 cars would give you a 99.9 percent solution is way off base. The kansas plant made over 181,000 chevelles...500 isn't even 1 percent, additionally you would need 500 known SS cars to use for that type of theory. A problem that presents itself is a lack of documentation in all cases. Remember that the z25 option is just that an option, it could have been added to any car over the life of the car. Yes the majority of the known, documented SS bodies have the L, but there are a couple that are reported to not have the L, how do you explain the difference? special order? who knows but the lack of documents as supporting documents leaves the void and questions. I will try and pull more info together the next few days. I am not prepared to say there is proof of the L theory being related to the ss option at this time. It is still SUSPECTED, as Dale said. We need more info before any final determination is made. It's too easy to just say it's true with no proof and that would be as bad as selling a clone as the real deal to me. Take care ANdy

Yes the majority of the known, documented SS bodies have the L, but there are a couple that are reported to not have the L, how do you explain the difference? special order?

My point exactly, if we can focus on the couple exceptions, and authenticate them as true SS's, we have disproved the Theory as 100% accurate. 2 out of 550 would be a 0.3% error rate on your data collected. 99.7% extrapolation.

If we can't absolutely authenticate them as original SS's, then they should be removed from the Data, leaving possibly a 100% extrapolation of data collection.

The key isn't collecting more data, It's in authenticating or disproving these (2) exceptions.

I bet if we contacted the (2) anomolies owners for permission, posted there cities and States, we'd certainly have qualified individuals within close proximity to scrutinize these (2) cars.

We can then offer a 99.7 % accuracy rate of the data extrapolation, or 100% if the anomolies are discredited.

It's impossible to verify every car kansas built, but if you can prove 100% certainty with over 550 cars collected as a sampling, I'd say your about as good as your going to get, to quantify the Kansas "L"

An excersise that would at least put the Theory to within "No reasonable Doubt" of proof.