9 people hit - mother and child air lifted to Rockford hospital. This napa is a few miles from us and we get parts from them all the time. They're gonna be in a world of hurt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uV_DLkWEns

Why were the spectators sitting so close to the truck and the cars it was jumping over? I have watched this type of event numerous times and have seen to many trucks loose control. They should have known better than to alllow them to be that close.

People will never learn will they. :confused:

Could have been much worse.

The video says they are still trying to figure out why the truck went out of control... Heres an idea, maybe it was because IT WAS A MONSTER TRUCK CRUSHING CARS ON A PUBLIC STREET!!!:sad:

i am just sickened! there are so many people to blame for this stupid happening. the only thing that matters here is what stupid parent would ever put thier child in that possition. doesnt anybody look around and think?

People that don't associate themselves with motorsports don't quite understand the potential that can come of it. The city is to blame for issuing the permit, the driver should have refused to do it, and NAPA should have known better. Heads will roll. What can go wrong will!

People that don't associate themselves with motorsports don't quite understand the potential that can come of it. The city is to blame for issuing the permit, the driver should have refused to do it, and NAPA should have known better. Heads will roll. What can go wrong will!
I couldnt have said it better myself.

People will never learn will they. :confused:

Could have been much worse.


Ooh! Ooh! A question I can answer with certainty.

No. People will never learn.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!


Note to self. in any type of demonstration you attend stand behind the vehicle on the starting side of it. Ask the mother in law to take video from the finish side of it, close to the road.

The only one's to blame are the rocket scientists who wanted to stand so close to a monster truck jumping cars.

The only one's to blame are the rocket scientists who wanted to stand so close to a monster truck jumping cars.
You can criticize ignorance but you can't blame it.

You can criticize ignorance but you can't blame it.

Yeah, heaven forbid people have any responsibility for their own welfare. Better to blame someone else and sue.

Standing near the path of a vehicle like that is like holding the apple on your head while someone shoots an arrow at it :)

Ooh! Ooh! A question I can answer with certainty.

No. People will never learn.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!


Note to self. in any type of demonstration you attend stand behind the vehicle on the starting side of it. Ask the mother in law to take video from the finish side of it, close to the road.


I agree w/ you 100%! People are not going to learn.Ever. I also agree w/ you on the placement of the mother in law! Hmmmm, gives me a idea, I have to see what monster truck event are coming up...

Yeah, heaven forbid people have any responsibility for their own welfare. Better to blame someone else and sue.

Standing near the path of a vehicle like that is like holding the apple on your head while someone shoots an arrow at it :)
All I am saying is that ignorance is the act of not knowing and being uneducated about something. For arguments sake let's say their were 4 teenage girls standing there that have never been exposed to a high performance vehicle. They are most likely ignorant of the scenario they are in, but they may not be stupid in an IQ sense. I know there comes a line where ignorance and stupidity crosses but you can't confuse the two all the time. Some of the people there were obviously ignorant of the potential. That combined with the false sense of secuirty provided by the city and NAPA for making them think they were safe. I don't favor 99% of the lawsuits these days but you're nuts if you think the mother and child sent to the hospital don't deserve anything because they were, as you called them "stupid".

Standing near the path of a vehicle like that is like holding the apple on your head while someone shoots a SHOTGUN at it :)

Fixed that for you.

K

NAPA and the City are not responsible for this... the blame should be placed on both the people who stood too close to a monster-truck crushing cars, and the monster-truck driver for getting that carried away (and out of control) that close to a crowd.

They should have known that standing close to a jumping monster-truck was incredibly dangerous. (that's common-sense... not knowing this is not ignorance, it's stupidity)

The driver should have known that sometimes things happen, and without a safety barrier in place, or a lot of distance between him and the people at risk, that he should try to minimize the risk... slow-down and keep it in control!!! Let them know that if they want to see a "good" show, they need to back the hell up, and give him some room to do it safely. If they don't, they get to see a wimpy 10mph crawl over the cars.

Oh boy ..... a NEW S.A.T. question ..... if a monster truck is flying ( through ;) ) the air in your direction at 91.3 mph ...... how long do you have to live if your 21.64 feet away ? :rolleyes:

NAPA and the City are not responsible for this... the blame should be placed on both the people who stood too close to a monster-truck crushing cars, and the monster-truck driver for getting that carried away (and out of control) that close to a crowd.

They should have known that standing close to a jumping monster-truck was incredibly dangerous. (that's common-sense... not knowing this is not ignorance, it's stupidity)

The driver should have known that sometimes things happen, and without a safety barrier in place, or a lot of distance between him and the people at risk, that he should try to minimize the risk... slow-down and keep it in control!!! Let them know that if they want to see a "good" show, they need to back the hell up, and give him some room to do it safely. If they don't, they get to see a wimpy 10mph crawl over the cars.

I read where they were told to move back and they did, then when the truck backed up they moved back up close again.

http://cbs4.com/topstories/topstories_story_221170301.html

NAPA and the City are not responsible for this... the blame should be placed on both the people who stood too close to a monster-truck crushing cars, and the monster-truck driver for getting that carried away (and out of control) that close to a crowd.

They should have known that standing close to a jumping monster-truck was incredibly dangerous. (that's common-sense... not knowing this is not ignorance, it's stupidity)

The driver should have known that sometimes things happen, and without a safety barrier in place, or a lot of distance between him and the people at risk, that he should try to minimize the risk... slow-down and keep it in control!!! Let them know that if they want to see a "good" show, they need to back the hell up, and give him some room to do it safely. If they don't, they get to see a wimpy 10mph crawl over the cars.

Napa and the city are not responsible for this? Are you a NAPA lawyer? Hmmm let's see. We're in the middle of corn field Illinois. I can think of 20 alternative "open field" spots around us they could have done this. I am sure though they wanted to do it by the store for promotional reasons. With that being said they could have had some barriers in place (not that they would have made much of a difference) like you said. Also, don't most trucks on the pro series have some new emergency cutoff that is controlled by remote or is detected by a stuck wide open throttle- I remember hearing something about it that caught my attention. I still disagree with you about the assumption that all these people were just "stupid". As I was getting my morning cup of brown fuel at the gas station I overheard a lady say "why couldn't the driver just smash the brakes" - it's comments like that which reiterate the fact of ignorance. This lady doesn't understand that the brakes on that truck couldn't stop 1000-2000 HP no matter how hard the driver tried. These are the type of IGNORANT people that were attending this fiasco.
We are now arguing over apples and oranges. There were probably people there that were smarter than I, but I would have backed up as would most of you because we understand the risks.

There were probably people there that were smarter than I, but I would have backed up as would most of you because we understand the risks.

So should the sponsers of such an event. That was an accident waiting to happen and it did.

People will never learn will they.
Probably be another one in a week or so.

the driver and the spectators don't have any real money but the City and NAPA do.

Lawyers, please take a number and form a line to the right, no pushing or crowding please....

So, all these people have already forgotten the recent burn-out demo on the street lined with people? I haven't. Bet he was running close to 100 when he hit the crowd.

having not seen the video or heard more than i just read above, it's still pretty basic...as a sponsor, event producer or municipality issuing a permit you have to assume responsibility for keeping the under educated masses safe (probably in reverse order shown above in degree of culpability, imo) you just can't assume joe public knows the inner workings of a monster truck, the carnage they are actually capable of or even that those people are blessed with the common sense afforded an infant (it forever seems that some people must have had more common sense as an eight month old)
if you are going to profit in any way by their presence or certainly, issue a permit as a government agency, which, i would assume, is contingent on the general safety and well being of the attending audience, you have to make sure their presence doesn't put them in harms way, no matter how stupid/ignorant they are, in fact, its those very people you really need to protect.

a NEW S.A.T. question: spell "through"

a NEW S.A.T. question: spell "through"

:D thats what happens when you depend on the spell checker program ;)

sorry, i tried, but... i just couldn't help myself. the irony overwhelmed me.

sorry, i tried, but... i just couldn't help myself. the irony overwhelmed me.

But but but ...... it had to be right .... it didn't have a little red line under it :rolleyes: ROFLMAO

Saw that on the news. They were saying they thought the accelerator cable stuck.

...you just can't assume joe public knows the inner workings of a monster truck...You shouldn't need to know the mechanicals of it, or how much power it makes to know that it is bigger than you, and that if it's about to crush a car, it could do much worse to you.

If they were in-fact told to back up, and they moved closer, (as mentioned above) then it just proves that they are stupid, and Darwin was right.

having not seen the video or heard more than i just read above, it's still pretty basic...as a sponsor, event producer or municipality issuing a permit you have to assume responsibility for keeping the under educated masses safe (probably in reverse order shown above in degree of culpability, imo) you just can't assume joe public knows the inner workings of a monster truck, the carnage they are actually capable of or even that those people are blessed with the common sense afforded an infant (it forever seems that some people must have had more common sense as an eight month old)
if you are going to profit in any way by their presence or certainly, issue a permit as a government agency, which, i would assume, is contingent on the general safety and well being of the attending audience, you have to make sure their presence doesn't put them in harms way, no matter how stupid/ignorant they are, in fact, its those very people you really need to protect.

Very well put!

i only mentioned that in response to someones reference to the on-board and remote kill systems that the sanctioned trucks require. i guess stupid is relative, since you don't really understand quantum physics is it appropriate for al einstien III (a_e_bdogg to his friends) to call you stupid? like i said, common sense seems a rare commodity these days, but common sense might dictate the refusal of a permit for such an event without proper barriers (its not like they didn't have a model to go by. which ever body sanctions the big time events has had its own trials and tribulations, some of the very same nature, and has evolved and survived) let alone, proper (and properly enforced) distancing between spectacle and spectator. common sense might also tell you its a sad fact of todays average american that if he or she is not explicitly told they cannot be in a certain location....it must be alright to be in that location. i think in this case theres more than enough lack of common sense, ok, ok...you win "stupidity" to go around. :)
it would also then, stand to reason that once you've seen one car crushed by a monster truck, its pretty "stupid" to even be in the general vicinity of such an event.
people scoffing at an authority figure with a mullet, a black t-shirt and an orange windbreaker, the back boldly emblazoned with the all encompassing "event staff" !? ...oh my! it's anarchy!
lol, i don't know who told them to get back, could have been a real cop just like barney fife for all i know, but, my point is, i bet even you at some time in your life have been part of a group large or small who was told to step back by someone, and as soon as they turned their attention elsewhere the whole group, as though controlled by an r.f. transmitter, went right back where you were, if not closer. this bunch maybe just picked the wrong time and place. you might be correct, they probably were stupid. but, not nearly as stupid as the people they payed to umm...not be stupid?

NAPA and the City are not responsible for this


NAPA and the City (government) that allowed this without proper safety and crowd control are.... Deff without a dougbt responssible. And it will not take much of a lawyer to make that clear.

The sad part of this is, that this is happening far to much in the recent years or two. Several months ago a benifiet organization using 2500hp "pro mod" drag cars on a public street killed 9 people. :sad:

The actions of these type shows are eventually going to effect " motorsports" on the amature level, Insurance cost will be outragious and amature motorsports unlike " NASCAR" does not have the fan base to absorb the cost.They are giving insurance companies another reason to factor in more cost. The amature racers will be the ones to suffer ...take that to the bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!

What really suprizes me is the city and local governing authorities allowing permits to be taken out for these powerful and dangerous machines. Spectators can't get anywhere close to the action at a real organized
Monster truck show" or a sanctioned drag race other than the pit area.

Your city authorities, government and police are paid to protect you ,does not matter how stupid or dumb decesions the public people have made. Short of the indiviuals braking the law, they are to be quided and protected. No diff than parent parenting their children. Even when the public are not "educated" enough to protect theirselfs..they are spose to .

Note to self. in any type of demonstration you attend stand behind the vehicle on the starting side of it. Ask the mother in law to take video from the finish side of it, close to the road.

And have her daughter help with the camera...:o

...my point is, i bet even you at some time in your life have been part of a group large or small who was told to step back by someone, and as soon as they turned their attention elsewhere the whole group, as though controlled by an r.f. transmitter...Yep, several occasions, but the difference is that I wouldn't blame somebody else for me doing something stupid. :noway: ...and I usually let a few dumber people stand ahead of me to soften the impact. ;)

Saw that on the news. They were saying they thought the accelerator cable stuck.
That's sure what it looks like in the video.

NAPA and the City (government) that allowed this without proper safety and crowd control are.... Deff without a dougbt responssible. And it will not take much of a lawyer to make that clear.

The sad part of this is, that this is happening far to much in the recent years or two. Several months ago a benifiet organization using 2500hp "pro mod" drag cars on a public street killed 9 people. :sad:

The actions of these type shows are eventually going to effect " motorsports" on the amature level, Insurance cost will be outragious and amature motorsports unlike " NASCAR" does not have the fan base to absorb the cost.They are giving insurance companies another reason to factor in more cost. The amature racers will be the ones to suffer ...take that to the bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!

What really suprizes me is the city and local governing authorities allowing permits to be taken out for these powerful and dangerous machines. Spectators can't get anywhere close to the action at a real organized
Monster truck show" or a sanctioned drag race other than the pit area.

Your city authorities, government and police are paid to protect you ,does not matter how stupid or dumb decesions the public people have made. Short of the indiviuals braking the law, they are to be quided and protected. No diff than parent parenting their children. Even when the public are not "educated" enough to protect theirselfs..they are spose to .

WOW, I always wondered what people were thinking when they spilled McDonalds coffee on themselves and sued. Or people who are in general just morons do something stupid and then sue. Now I know.

Blaster, people are not babies that need to be coddled by authorities. On the contrary. People, ABSOLUTELY, have an obligation to society to have common sense. Common sense is that which protects us from dangers a reasonable individual would recognize. If somebody doesn't have a reasonable amount of common sense, then, while tragic, it is not the obligation of society to protect them. The reason this obligation cannot exist is because if we take actions and make regulations to protect the lowest common denominator of our society, we stifle many rights and liberties of normal people.
Appropriately though, there is a middle ground between absolute personal responsibility and draconian societal protection; somewhere between your belief that we need the government to protect us from everything, including ourselves and no regulation whatsoever.
I think most people, whether they have a "motorsports" background or not, would agree that you should give a speeding monster-truck a wide berth. And that failure to do so is just plain stupidity on their part.
Ever heard of evolution or natural selection? This is a clear cut case of it if I've ever seen one.

Mike

Mike

I have never sued or placed blame on another company,person or anybody else in my life. If you don't have facts keep you assanine assumptions to yourself :yes:

I have been involved in motorsports "all" my life. I need nobody to hold my hand and tell me what is safe and have developed a sence of respect through experience. I crew presently on a NHRA Top/Fuel Nitro team and spent several past years with a Top/Alcohol dragster and a NHRA prostock team in the late 80's. Experience has taught me respect for "motorsports" regardless of the venue. We often do "hot-up's" for crowds/benifets were we dissasemble and reassemble our Blown Nitro hemi and re-start in a number of min's. Safety is the number one thing, we make a mistake "launch" a blower or mix a percentage/nitro wrongly and kill a spectator. You can be asured that there would de a legal consequence. Thats where "blower restraint's" come in for a safety example. If anything experience in motorsports has taught me to look out for the others that might not be so educated.....I feel it's my duty :D

Most common people and society dosen't have the background that many of us do on this site when it comes to motorsports. Many haven't ever seen these machines other than in the mall or parking lot of the shopping center or on Television.

If your a "promotor" and you promote something dangerous, you dam well better incoperate some protection into the program for spectators. You can't just use the method thinking that they will use their common sence.Safety dosen't start with assuming the other person will know what to do.

Tell you what...You go promote a "motorsports" show and kill or mame a dozen people, and tell the judge that you didn't need to "incorperate" safety because "them people" should be smart enough to use their common sence. You mail me a letter from "prison" and tell me how it is working for you.:thumbsup:

Let me give you a "life lesson " safety is everybody's responsability":hurray:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MPH_M1-uqY&mode=related&search=

another vid of it, home video.

Mike

I have never sued or placed blame on another company,person or anybody else in my life. If you don't have facts keep you assanine assumptions to yourself :yes:

I have been involved in motorsports "all" my life. I need nobody to hold my hand and tell me what is safe and have developed a sence of respect through experience. I crew presently on a NHRA Top/Fuel Nitro team and spent several past years with a Top/Alcohol dragster and a NHRA prostock team in the late 80's. Experience has taught me respect for "motorsports" regardless of the venue. We often do "hot-up's" for crowds/benifets were we dissasemble and reassemble our Blown Nitro hemi and re-start in a number of min's. Safety is the number one thing, we make a mistake "launch" a blower or mix a percentage/nitro wrongly and kill a spectator. You can be asured that there would de a legal consequence. Thats where "blower restraint's" come in for a safety example. If anything experience in motorsports has taught me to look out for the others that might not be so educated.....I feel it's my duty :D

Most common people and society dosen't have the background that many of us do on this site when it comes to motorsports. Many haven't ever seen these machines other than in the mall or parking lot of the shopping center or on Television.

If your a "promotor" and you promote something dangerous, you dam well better incoperate some protection into the program for spectators. You can't just use the method thinking that they will use their common sence.Safety dosen't start with assuming the other person will know what to do.

Tell you what...You go promote a "motorsports" show and kill or mame a dozen people, and tell the judge that you didn't need to "incorperate" safety because "them people" should be smart enough to use their common sence. You mail me a letter from "prison" and tell me how it is working for you.:thumbsup:

Let me give you a "life lesson " safety is everybody's responsability":hurray:

Firstly blaster, I'm not sure what "assanine [sic]" assumptions are. I do know what asinine assumptions are, but since I clearly didn't assume anything as the basis for my post I think you should go back and read what I wrote. Or maybe you should read it again since you obviously didn't understand it.
Secondly, as for me promoting a show and killing a dozen people as you apparently want me to, I've got a better idea. I'm just going to go walk around the city with my eyes closed and when I get hit by a car I'm going to sue the driver and the city. I mean, the government should protect me, even from myself, right? As you said, we, "are to be guided and protected", "No diff than (a) parent parenting their children".
Thirdly, once again, go back and (re)read my post. You clearly didn't understand what I said. I never said that government or motorsports organizations don't have a responsibility with respect to safety. Just that individuals bare just as much responsibility to use common sense with respect to their safety as do show promoters. There's a huge difference in common sense between somebody knowing a blower could come off and land on top of them and somebody knowing a speeding monster-truck that's twenty feet from them could lose control and crash into them. There's a clear distinction between knowledge specific common sense and the application of general, reasonable common sense. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference. Enough said about that.

Lastly, buy yourself a dictionary. I wouldn't have said anything, but since you said I made "assanine [sic]" assumptions in my post I thought I would help you out by telling you that you repeatedly murder at least a dozen common words in your posts. Everybody makes mistakes, but c'mon.
:beers:
Mike

Mike

I didn't claim to be a " school teacher" and it always seems when one can't find enough good point/responce if all else fails....go for the "ole" you spelled a word wrong.. :sad: cracks me up !!!!!

the important thing is that I have respect for safety even for the people that don't have the sence for themselves. Rather than to talk about how they don't show common sence I would rather reach out and help them...it would save a life. If we used your approach "people without common sence" in the moment deserve what they get.... nice approach :sad:

Hopefully you haven't decided to father a child :hurray:..enough said :beers:

Mike

I didn't claim to be a " school teacher" and it always seems when one can't find enough good point/responce if all else fails....go for the "ole" you spelled a word wrong.. :sad: cracks me up !!!!!

the important thing is that I have respect for safety even for the people that don't have the sence for themselves. Rather than to talk about how they don't show common sence I would rather reach out and help them...it would save a life. If we used your approach "people without common sence" in the moment deserve what they get.... nice approach :sad:

Hopefully you haven't decided to father a child :hurray:..enough said :beers:

Well, it cracks me up that you would defend your inability to spell simple words correctly. You don't have to be a school teacher to correctly spell the words you repeatedly misspell. You simply have to have been paying attention in the sixth grade. Defending your ignorance......now THAT'S funny.
As for you not understanding my point, i'm not surprised. Anyone who would say that citizens/individuals of the United States of America "need to be quided [sic] and protected. No diff [sic] than parent parenting their children", will never understand.
Make no mistake, I absolutely have no problem with trying to help or protect people that can't protect themselves. What I do have a problem with are people who refuse to use simple common sense, get hurt and then blame others for their ignorance. And unfortunately, more and more people show their "ignorance" every day.

As for me having a child, my child wouldn't be dumb enough to stand twenty feet away from a speeding monster-truck. And since you brought my child into this, I should tell you that he can spell better than you, while younger than probably one fifth your age.
:beers:

Mike

Mike
What I do have a problem with are people who refuse to use simple common sense, get hurt and then blame others for their ignorance. And unfortunately, more and more people show their "ignorance" every day.


Maybe if you would worry less about a spelling error , you could see my point also. uneducated people often make these mistakes, common sense or not. Regardless when unsanctioned demonstrations like this where safety/rules cannot apply...they become dangerous. That’s why the city and authorities are so important. Because people are exspected to police themselves..and not all will that is why there are regulations in everything we do.

Go to a sanctioned race like the world of outlaws, NASCAR, IHRA or NHRA and stand 20' from the track and see what happens. They have track people and security to insure that someone does not put themselves in danger. If the sanction body ever used the approach that if there stupid enough not to use there common sense, they wouldn't be in business very long.

You won't see my point to fix it and prevent these types of demonstrations and demand some security because apparently you are not a racer, People not being responsible is not going to change. But what it is going to do eventually is harm the armature motor sports with inflated insurance costs. Companies like NAPA are not doing this for free, they use this for advertisement to get business/income.They should follow some kind of safety standard for crowd control muck like any sanctioing body does.

The accident a few months ago for the "benifet for kids" was realy sad, The whole point of the event was for a child benifet cause. When the "pro mod" cars they used for enterainment( whom I have raced with, past years) was doing burnouts on a public street w/little to no safety barriers, the outcome was 9 dead ( several chilren) when one car got out of control.The promoter had made/donated over several hundreds or thousands of dollers over a number of years for the kids. The last I knew he was considering stopping the program. The benifet originated 20 yrs ago when his son was in a accident and lived and he promissed "god" that if he allowed his child to live he would forever help children in need...very sad story. And with some safety standars...could have been prevented.


I don't agree with everybody suing either, but I can't control what others do. I was hit head on ,on my motorcycle by a drunk driver when I was 20yrs old...I didn't sue, I spent three months recovering in a hospital with a steel plate in my head ( crushed my helmet into my skull) and my leg broke in 5 places and a shoulder separation and a kidney injury. I suffer with them injuries to this day. It was also during the day that everyone was suing "bell" helmets for shoulder/head injuries.... and I didn't sue !!!!!!

Several years ago I lost half of my hand in a machine accident that I was repairing /installing(electrician) the company that built it made a start-up programming error that caused the machine to cycle prematurely. Pinning a another worker and I grabbed automatically by reflex and severed/ lost most the use of my left hand.....and I didn't sue !!!!!!!

I didn't appriciate your comment , and I did take it personal...
WOW, I always wondered what people were thinking when they spilled McDonalds coffee on themselves and sued. Or people who are in general just morons do something stupid and then sue. Now I know.

So my attitude is change things for "safety" no matter who doesn’t care or is being irresponsible. If one person is protected and unharmed to me it is worth it. I don't give two ****s about their stupid or irresponsible attitude it is worth trying to change it. I could be bitter about things but I choose to try to make things better.Finding a solution so that it don't repeat is the best approach. Being "hard headed" and not changing or proving that they need to change is not helping the solution.Hopefully you will never have to suffer a loss that will make you change your way of thinking......:thumbsup: :beers:

hah-hah, lol, mike and his offspring :bow:

after seeing both videos (damn you dialup!) i dont see how you can possibly place any real fault on any individual spectator, no matter what transpired before lift off....it's obvious from the newer link passenger side camera perspective every one in attendance was in grave danger if something went wrong. nice camera work in the newer vid link, btw (i thought i almost heard someone tell the lensman "wake up, the truck has moved some"). i'd say the photographer is lucky the truck didn't simply shoot the other way, that is, unless he had joined derek hiding behind the fat guy wearing the grey t-shirt/pup tent. :D
it could have just as easily pirrouetted around and stomped the people directly behind it. and as i alluded, it was a 50/50 shot that from that camera we didn't get an "up close and personal" view of the tread depth of a goodyear terra tire just before it sent you a lil' kiss requiring a super cool, full siren, lights flashing, intersection endangering, ride to the hospital or morgue.
you didn't have to be stupid to get hurt there, just being there was stupid enough.

i guess i've changed my opinion on this, the event planners and permit issuers should NOT be sued,... they should be sued and then jailed for an appropriate amount of time, and you know what happens to safety inspectors in jail don't you?:eek:

anyway, i still say the water show jetboat launched into the grandstand in florida blows this away.

HRD

I just watched the second vid also. it gives a more clear veiw of how things happened. I didn't see any spectators I thought that were out of place. They were no closer on that side than the spectators that were on the side of the camera man.

Looks like to me they had barriers to the front/rear of the truck and the curbs were the bounderies to the side. The truck seemed to launch/land within the shut down area they barracaded. looks like the truck hung a throttle and launched out of the barracaded area.Came right back on the converter.

Sorry, I just didn't see any wrong doing on the part of any spectator, I think the best way to have avoided that would have to been nowhere near the event just like HRD stated. I think it is pretty clear that there was a lack of knowledge, planning and safety.In this case some common sence on the bahalf of authorities was clearly needed.

A city street would not be a good setting for a truck that sized in my opinion. That could be why they use stadiums for the monster truck norm.

Has anyone ever seen a TV commercial for monster trucks that didn't show them losing control? Last one I watched had nothing but rollovers.

Forgive me for asking if this was already addressed (I didn't go back and read all the comments), but in the events I've been to, the crowd is way back from the trucks and there is always someone with a kill switch in the event something like this happens.

Honestly, I think there is stupidity here in many spots. Common sense should tell you not to stand so close in event like this, and common sense from the people that own/drive the truck and the promoters themselves should've looked at the situation and realized it wasn't safe for anyone.

This is an example of how events like this are forever taken away from the public ~ motorsports already has a bad name in many households, why add fuel to the fire?

what does "[sic]" mean? :confused:

Dean ...."[sic]" was the symbol that was used when I misspelled a word :sad: it helped to dis-credit my points of veiw.


This is an example of how events like this are forever taken away from the public ~ motorsports already has a bad name in many households, why add fuel to the fire?

Circle :

Your statement sum's it up in a nutshell.That was pretty much the whole heart of my post & opinion. Trying to point out that a solution regardless of the lack of common sence/stupidity needs to be in place. Because end the end it will only hurt/hinder what we enjoy.

* sic • \’sik\ adverb [Latin] (circa 1859): intentionally so written — used after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces an original (Ex. Tom said he seed [sic] it all).

In before the lock...

Over a dozen years ago when I still lived in Milwaukee, a very popular local performance store had a Sunday "father's day car show" and near the end of the day a "best burnout" show on the public street in front of the store and had been a ritual for years.

At the time I owned a blown, alcohol injected BBC in a "half complete" back-halfed pro-street /drag macine than ran 9.20's through mufflers. My first time, I pulled up into the make shift water box area and all I could see is a lady standing on the curb only a few feet away with a twin baby carriage and holding another child in her arms. I did a short "wimpy" burnout and got a huge "boo" from the crowd. LOL

I collected my son ( about 5 yrs old ) went home and enjoyed the rest of the day. The next morning at work I learned that someone had got out of control and hit a by-stander along the curb. One of those times that don't come often and you feel that you made the right decesion :yes: