Thank you Robby, for kicking NA$CAR right in the nads up in Canada. You passed him clean, he dumped you and you returned the favor after ignoring the black flag. Telling you to go to 13th was pure BS. I promise you that while Foyt is washing off his 'dozer he is smiling for you today! I will drive up to KC for the Kansas 400 and buy myself a Robby Gordon shirt. Good on ya buddy!

No matter what you think of Robby, he done good today! :hurray::hurray:

i guess you had to be there..

If you didn't watch the end of the Busch race, you missed it! So very nice....

That was pretty cool. So, He got black flagged cause He would'nt leave the front during the Yellow? I kinda stopped paying attention, after NASCAR didn't penalize the Dude who dumped Robby. That needed to be done, He'll pay for it, but it needed to be done.

I don't normally side with RG, but it sure looked like Ambrose dumped him.

Welcome to America Marcus, you mess with the bull, you get the (chrome)horn :D

Here here! Robby is one of the nicest guys you could meet at a race. Also a great racer, and not one to be messed with. The returned dump was necessary. Why not a rough driving deal for Ambrose? And why wasn't Robby 1st after that?

Gordon is usually a first rate asshat in my opinion, but what happened today was just wrong. How could they possibly stick him mid pack? Just stupid.

I guess you had to be there also because from what I saw on my end was Robby taking out the guy in front of him knowing he wouldn't be able to make it back through the pack. At the tracks we race at, you are sent to the backl of the field, which is where Robby belongs. I find more than not, he says what's on his mind, but he really should think before he speaks. Why he stilll has a ride in Nascar boggles my mind, there are many other deserving younger drivers.

I agree with Zilmo, Robby is normally the biggest whiney dumbass, but i do respect his skills on a road course as he's one of the best at going left and right in a stock car. Today he got totally screwed, period.

I thought he probably hit Ambrose to get the lead, but i saw nothin of it, and Ambrose dumped him hard, but Robby said he slowed down after he got the pass which partially caused it. WHo knows about that. The yellow was clearly waving when he made the pass so he shouldnt have been first, he should have been put back to 2nd like he was. Ignoring the black flag and deliberately wrecking Ambrose was pretty uncalled for, but Im very much on Robby's side, he should have won the race.

Its even more too bad for Ron Fellows, he had a great car at the end as he save dit allll day, and then he gets wrecked by Pruett (who cried about JPM hitting him in Mexico) and Harvick (Fellows' car owner). I think he had a very good shot at winning the race today which would have been awesome!

There is major bobble ups in F1 this weekend too, I swear sometimes I feel like the smartest person in the world when I see major sanctioning bodies getting it ALL wrong.

Robbie is an well I dont have to say, He used to race off road and do nothing but complain! He is a big cry baby,If you watch the replay Robster smaked Ambrose and got him sideways Just in front of the wreck that happend coming out of the corner,Clear as day the ESPN guy's just did not pay much attenion to the replays!

Why he stilll has a ride in Nascar boggles my mind, there are many other deserving younger drivers.
i think he's got a lot of his own money. and with money, you can get into places you'd have to work your way into otherwise.

I personally feel he should have been placed in second for the restart, at worst. The caution flew, he was dumped, they tried to stick him in 13th. Normally a R.G. hater, but he was ripped. His reaction would have been mine.

I think NASCAR's new rule that allows you to dump the leader under caution and keep the position (while they send the leader back 12 spots) is going to open a lot of doors for "Bride's maid" teams that can't find victory lane...I don't know why they didn't think of it before

KUDOS to Patrick Carpentier for a second place finish in a stock car. When open wheel finds the final nail for their coffin he looks like he could adapt quickly

Why he stilll has a ride in Nascar boggles my mind, there are many other deserving younger drivers.

When those deserving drivers start their own team and drive their own cars up into the top 35, they can race all they want. :D

I wonder who will drive his car today at Pocono?

Rumored that he'll be suspended and not allowed to run today....PJ Jones practiced the car yesterday

Yep. Parked today with PJ in the car. Kind of ironic that Harvick won.

robby gordon
maybe a crybabe..
but on the track,
he races!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
something that 80% of the drivers out there DO NOT DO...
he finds a lot af wrecks,, but.. every lap.. he's racing, not just riding around the track...
gotta love him for that....
but nascar doesn't want guys that are pushy racers... they want pretty boys that'll pass you clean ,like a grandma would.. with a 2foot airspace between the cars...
robby/tony/jr and a few others are not what nascar wants anymore.. they want soap opra looking guys for the women to ooooooooooohw and ahhhh
about..
real racers are not welcome anymore..
jeff gordon gets away with stuff no one else can...
they do it and get black flaged,points/finded..
but not jeff.
nascar went down when the only guy that had more power with the fans than the nascar owners , died...
and nascar RACING died with it...

R.I.P. DALE

Bad deal for Gordon. I watched it over and over, with the guy waving the yellow flag just before Ambrose spun him. Now they say because he couldn't get back in line (second) because he was spun out, he was paced in 12th behind Fellows.

I like the way he stayed in there, ignored his crew chief, and finished so he could appeal. If he went to 12th, no way to appeal anything for his final placement.

----I wore a Robby Gordon shirt at the Brickyard this year - just to p...off everyone who hates him..... WE all yelled at Stewart to 'get away from Robby' on the second to last lap.

Don't forget Gordon lost the Indy 500 over a black flag. He is as hard nosed as they come....

This is straight off of NASCAR.com:

Nearly two hours after the race, Busch Series director Joe Balash explained why NASCAR ruled the way it did.

"Once the caution came out, the field was frozen," Balash said. "Once the field is frozen, all cars must maintain cautious pace in order to be scored. At the time that the field was frozen, [Ambrose] was in the lead. [Gordon] did not maintain a cautious pace, and by NASCAR rule, cars that do not maintain a cautious pace are scored only when they blend back into the continuous line.

On the replay, it was very clear that the yellow flag was out prior to Gordon passing Ambrose. So if NASCAR is going to follow the rule to the letter, then yes, Robbie Gordon did not slow down to caution speed. Ambrose spinning Gordon had nothing to do with it. Personally I find it rather funny that Robbie Gordon's own worst enemy is himself. If he would just learn to drive to a win instead of his spin to win attitude he has he would have a lot less drivers that him him and NASCAR might just go a bit easier on him as well.

Jeff

robby gordon
maybe a crybabe..
but on the track,
he races!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
something that 80% of the drivers out there DO NOT DO...
he finds a lot af wrecks,, but.. every lap.. he's racing, not just riding around the track...

The diffrence between winning drivers and losers like Robbie Gordon is that some know when to just ride around the track and when it is time to race. The top drivers all know the diffrence between riding until you can pass like a man, or just bashing the fenders and passing like somebody who doesn't have the talent to be on a racetrack. If racing to you is knocking fenders off, perhaps you should stick to the redneck demolition derby's.


gotta love him for that....
but nascar doesn't want guys that are pushy racers... they want pretty boys that'll pass you clean ,like a grandma would.. with a 2foot airspace between the cars...
robby/tony/jr and a few others are not what nascar wants anymore.. they want soap opra looking guys for the women to ooooooooooohw and ahhhh
about..
real racers are not welcome anymore..
jeff gordon gets away with stuff no one else can...
they do it and get black flaged,points/finded..
but not jeff.

Please give some examples of this, hell just give one example of something Jeff Gordon has gotten away with that nobody else has. I will be anxiously awaiting your reply.

Jeff

Kind of like Harvick taking out Pruitt? He said "He shouldn't have put me in the grass". So he turns him around and 10 cars get wrecked. He wins and everyone smiles.......Geez

Oops, just saw this on Nascar.com Guess Harvick and Gordon are somewhat alike


NASCAR last sat a Cup driver in April 2002 at Martinsville Speedway when Kevin Harvick was held out of the Cup race after he was involved in a flagrant rough driving incident in that Saturday's Craftsman Truck Series race, followed by a confrontation with NASCAR officials.

There's no irony in Harvick winning by dumping Pruitt....it's consistent with them restarting Ambrose in the lead after dumping Gordon under caution

NASCAR had 10-15 minutes under that caution to fix it....if they'd taken the time to watch what everyone else was watching on TV instead of trying to get Gordon to give up twelve spots we probably wouldn't be talking about this today

welcome to the WNF

Kind of like Harvick taking out Pruitt? He said "He shouldn't have put me in the grass". So he turns him around and 10 cars get wrecked. He wins and everyone smiles.......Geez

Unfortunately though NASCAR doesn't penalize for racing incidents. They do however frown upon a driver straight up wrecking another driver without even attepting to pass him clean.

Jeff

Unfortunately though NASCAR doesn't penalize for racing incidents. They do however frown upon a driver straight up wrecking another driver without even attepting to pass him clean.

Jeff

Ambrose straight up wrecked Robby. Any other day, I wouldn't side with Gordon, but I think he was right this time.

I've never really been a fan of Robby Gordon dating way back to some of his antics in the Champ open wheel cars in the 90's and his first few years in Nascar. However, having said that, in the last couple of years he has kept his nose clean from what I have seen and has not really created any controversy. Also, you hear a lot of good feedback from his personal approach with fans.

To be perfectly honest, he got screwed yesterday "big time". The yellow was out when he was leading and before he got spun out. Being a Canadian, I really wanted to see Carpentier or Fellows take the checkered, but Gordon really deserved it. I also don't see Harvick being at fault with the Pruett incident as Scott squeezed him in the grass and Kevin had nowhere to go. Pruett got what he deserved in my opinion.

It's too bad the Gordon incident has taken centre stage here which takes away from an otherwise exciting day. I rarely watch any of the Busch races, but certainly wanted to see the first one on this side of the border. I would say that about 80,000 fans for a Busch race is pretty good as well.

Bottom line for me is as follows:
1) - It was a terrific race with lots of action.
2) - Canadian drivers fared pretty well.
3) - Nascar "dictatorship" of rules and incidents is getting to be a bore.

But here's what happened and the TV showed it. When the incident with Harvick and Pruett happened, Ambrose was leading. NASCAR threw the yellow in every corner, Robbie Gordon proceeded to keep his speed up and passed Ambrose. This is where the problem started. Then Ambrose spun Gordon, which is when Gordon finally slowed down. Gordon pulled back into line in 14th place. NASCAR then told Robbie Gordon to restart 14th, which he ignored and restarted 2nd, he then was blackflagged and ignored that too. Gordon then proceeded to take out his own screw up (remember, he never slowed down for the caution) on Ambrose and spun him. The NASCAR rule is spelled out in my post above, but basically if you don't slow down to caution speed you restart from the position you are in when you blend back in to the pack.

You guys all think Robbie Gordon got screwed and thats fine, but on TV he clearly stayed at speed and passed Ambrose after the caution came out, and didn't slow down until after he was taken out by Ambrose. If he had slowed down for the caution, he would have restarted 2nd, and likely would have won the race, instead he pulled a typical Robbie Gordon move and ended up finishing 18th and got himself suspended from todays race for ignoring a blackflag.

Jeff

A few weeks ago on Sirius Buddy Baker said he'd like to get through a week of NASCAR racing without NASCAR making itself the story. He was referring to incidents like this and the all the pre- and post-race inspection violations glutting up the news.

So if NASCAR is going to follow the rule to the letter, then yes, Robbie Gordon did not slow down to caution speed. Ambrose spinning Gordon had nothing to do with it. Personally I find it rather funny that Robbie Gordon's own worst enemy is himself. If he would just learn to drive to a win instead of his spin to win attitude he has he would have a lot less drivers that him him and NASCAR might just go a bit easier on him as well.
Jeff

You're missing the point. He failed to maintain caution speed because Ambrose spun him out. It wasn't that he didn't slow down. Basically, NA$CAR is saying that if I pass a scoring loop in second when the yellow flag is waving, dump the car in front of me and pass the next scoring loop first, then I'm first. Stoopid :clonk:

ButYou guys all think Robbie Gordon got screwed and thats fine, but on TV he clearly stayed at speed and passed Ambrose after the caution came out, and didn't slow down until after he was taken out by Ambrose. Jeff

lets see..
if robby didn't slow.. how ambrose get behind him and spin him..
if robby didn't slow then neither did ambrose...

You're missing the point. He failed to maintain caution speed because Ambrose spun him out. It wasn't that he didn't slow down. Basically, NA$CAR is saying that if I pass a scoring loop in second when the yellow flag is waving, dump the car in front of me and pass the next scoring loop first, then I'm first. Stoopid :clonk:


But that is not what happened. Ambrose was leading when the caution came out. It was clear on the replay's. You can see the corner worker waving the flag prior to Robbie Gordon making the pass. He did not slow down for the caution.

Jeff

Please give some examples of this, hell just give one example of something Jeff Gordon has gotten away with that nobody else has. I will be anxiously awaiting your reply.

Jeff
jeff "bump drafts guys going into corners and " they are forces up and out of the "groove" and he passes..(pick a race ,he's done it at all of them)
if anyone else bump drafts a guy in the begining of a corner,sending the other car out of the groove and allmost into the way... they are "flaged"
not saying bump drafting is bad.. but where gordon(jeff) does it..(begining of a corner) isn't ruff driving, then what is...
he's been outside his pit "box" twice .. no "drive though penaty"
he's been over the pit row speed limit 3 times without them calling him back...
couldn't catch the leaders ,so through out a watter bottle, for the "debrez caution"
the list goes on and on..
mark martin was flaged in one race.. jeff did the same thing 10 minutes later...nothing...
sorry...
but jeff.. gets away with everything...
can't wait to see him ,go behind the wall in NHIS this sept.
as I know a few that can't wait to "help" him into the turn 4 wall..
:)

Montreal always is a good turn out for auto racing. Its the best race to go to in F1, even though the track is not that spectacular. I've now seen 2 stock car races in Montreal (on tv), and they have both been great exciting races. :)

jeff "bump drafts guys going into corners and " they are forces up and out of the "groove" and he passes..(pick a race ,he's done it at all of them)
if anyone else bump drafts a guy in the begining of a corner,sending the other car out of the groove and allmost into the way... they are "flaged"
not saying bump drafting is bad.. but where gordon(jeff) does it..(begining of a corner) isn't ruff driving, then what is...
he's been outside his pit "box" twice .. no "drive though penaty"
he's been over the pit row speed limit 3 times without them calling him back...
couldn't catch the leaders ,so through out a watter bottle, for the "debrez caution"
the list goes on and on..
mark martin was flaged in one race.. jeff did the same thing 10 minutes later...nothing...
sorry...
but jeff.. gets away with everything...
can't wait to see him ,go behind the wall in NHIS this sept.
as I know a few that can't wait to "help" him into the turn 4 wall..
:)

Name the races, I can make up all kinds of crap about any driver I want, it means absolutely nothing, 0, nada, zip, without something to back it up. Since you remember all the things Jeff Gordon has done wrong and should have been blackflagged for when obviously anybody else would have been, start coming up with some proof. Otherwise it is nothing but B.S

Jeff

Name the races, I can make up all kinds of crap about any driver I want, it means absolutely nothing, 0, nada, zip, without something to back it up. Since you remember all the things Jeff Gordon has done wrong and should have been blackflagged for when obviously anybody else would have been, start coming up with some proof. Otherwise it is nothing but B.S

Jeff

He doesn't have to. Almost everyone on here that watches has seen these things happen especially when it comes to a Hendrick car. Even Jr gets a pass on things time to time. You know what? For you to say prove it when you evidently watch the same races is whats B.S.!:D Welcome to N.E.T. Nascar Entertainment Television. Bet it won't be long til the best races are Pay -Per- View or Brian Starts the Nascar Channel!:p

thank you..
me and my wifes dad.
(me rcr and jr fan him roush/mark martin/kensith fan)
say the same thing
hendrick cars can do no wrong..
glad we're not the only ones..
and yes jr' gets away with some.. but nothing like the hendrick cars..

He doesn't have to. Almost everyone on here that watches has seen these things happen especially when it comes to a Hendrick car. Even Jr gets a pass on things time to time. You know what? For you to say prove it when you evidently watch the same races is whats B.S.!:D Welcome to N.E.T. Nascar Entertainment Television. Bet it won't be long til the best races are Pay -Per- View or Brian Starts the Nascar Channel!:p


Yeah you're right. Why would anyone need any proof, when you can just say whatever you want about anybody and others are just supposed to believe it. All I want is proof of any single one of these things being done by Jeff Gordon and not being blackflagged that somebody else has been flagged for. If he is such a cheater like you guys claim, this should be very easy for you either of you to do.

Bowtie, in the 69 chevelle accident thread you blew up on a guy for saying alcohol may have been involved and not having proof. Now you are in this thread stating all kinds of ways Jeff Gordon has cheated, yet you can't provide any proof. See the irony here? I guess I am just the kind of person that relies on having proof to back myself up before I make claims, apparently others don't feel the same way.

Jeff

Jeff

I've been at /on pit row.. and seen the radar read out... twice last year at NHIS he was over the pit row speed limit... twice.. and it wasn't by all little either..
the offical was told to."let it go"
funny tony didn't get the same "pass"
twice at that same race he overshor the pit box.. not by much ,but was over the line.. no call...
others where not so lucky...
a was beside a offical all day , working fire safety.. and it was like there was two sets of rules..
richmond..
tony docked for bump drafting//
jr at daytona..
jeff almost wrecked two cars in the enterance of turn 3 at spring race at NHIS
and wined at the end of the race when he got a taste of his own med's...
none of them are perfect..
but some get away with a hell of a lot more than others..

Bowtie, in the 69 chevelle accident thread you blew up on a guy for saying alcohol may have been involved and not having proof. Now you are in this thread stating all kinds of ways Jeff Gordon has cheated, yet you can't provide any proof. See the irony here? I guess I am just the kind of person that relies on having proof to back myself up before I make claims, apparently others don't feel the same way.

Jeff

Jeff

CLAIMING DUI with people dead is a hell of a big difference than a petty race car fan.. driver argument...

I won't argue with that one bit, the diffrence though is that in that thread the poster admitted up front the info is secondhand and may not be correct and you went off on him. In this thread you are making claims to be the truth and can't back any of them up. Again, see the irony?

Would you believe me if I told you my chevelle runs 7 second quarters and I can drive it across the country and get 30 miles to the gallon with it? No you wouldn't, and without me showing you proof, you never would believe it. Right before my grandfather died almost 15 years ago he told me to remember one thing, you can tell people anything you want, but if you can't back it up you are nothing but a B.S.er. I live by those words.

Jeff

But that is not what happened. Ambrose was leading when the caution came out. It was clear on the replay's. You can see the corner worker waving the flag prior to Robbie Gordon making the pass. He did not slow down for the caution.

Jeff

Watch it again. Robby was leading when the yellow flew. Robby's pass of Ambrose was not filmed, but the throwing of the yellow was and Robby was in front. NA$CAR ruled that Robby did not maintain caution speed and reached the next scoring loop in 13th because he was spun. You can argue many things about Robby not yeilding the black flag, but the call was BS.

I personally feel he should have been placed in second for the restart, at worst. The caution flew, he was dumped, they tried to stick him in 13th. Normally a R.G. hater, but he was ripped. His reaction would have been mine.


Exactly

nascar went down when the only guy that had more power with the fans than the nascar owners , died...
and nascar RACING died with it...

R.I.P. DALE

Dale also had the balls to tell NASCAR what they should do. They listened to him and heeded his advice.

On the replay, it was very clear that the yellow flag was out prior to Gordon passing Ambrose. (I DONT THINK SO JEFF) if NASCAR is going to follow the rule to the letter, then yes, Robbie Gordon did not slow down to caution speed. Ambrose spinning Gordon had nothing to do with it.(ROUGH DRIVING MAYBE BECAUSE HE WAS PASSED) Personally I find it rather funny that Robbie Gordon's own worst enemy is himself. If he would just learn to drive to a win instead of his spin to win attitude he has he would have a lot less drivers that him im and NASCAR might just go a bit easier on him as well.(YES JEFF CONFORM TO THE ROBOT MODE NASCAR WANTS)

Jeff

Ever hear the expression '"rubbin is racin"? The new NASCAR is vanilla and is not what stock car racing is all about.