i got a 69 with a 396 and a t350, but to me the car just seems boring to drive sometimes. I know why, its the tranny i hate just pushing the shifter forward to change gears, it would be much more exciting to pop the clutch then slam the shifter back into second, third , and so on. i wanna swap in a 71' or later muncie , m20 or m21 i guess a m22 would work also if i could find one.
anyways i know that i would need a 32 slpine slip yolk, and shorten the driveshaft 1 inch, and move the crossmemeber forward a 1/4 inch.

has anyone done this swap? im not sure what all parts i would need and where i could get all the parts. does anyone know where i could get all the parts, trans, shifter, i mean everything i would need. im sure someone on here kows what all ill need, and how much of a pain in the ass it is to swap. If you have any information about this swap, please let me know i have no clue on what i need to do.

Thanks,

Todd


[This message has been edited by Todd69SS (edited 06-13-2000).]

Todd, run a search on this topic and also check the tech reference section www.chevelles.com/techref/ (http://www.chevelles.com/techref/) , it's been discussed numerous times b4.

I'll admit that it's taking me some time to get a hard launch technique down, but man, it's anything but boring.

Stick with the M20, it's gearing is most similar to your 350. The M21/22 have a much higher 1st gear ( 2.20 v 2.52 ), and it might make the car a bit slow in first. Of course, if I were to buy a new non-original tranny I'd recommend the ST-10, now made by Richmond, or the Rich 5 speed.

The m20's should have the same output as the 350, most 21's do as well, but some 21's and ALL 22's have the T400 yoke.

RAT ON A STICK IS THE ONLY WAY TO FLY!!

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G. Chaas
Gold #62/ACES
67 SS396/(427L88) (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/chaas1.jpg)

Not all M-22s have the 32 spline output. Only those made from 71 and up, all the units had it then, some 70 transmissions had the large output as well.

I have an original 69 M-22, same as all the early units, 10 spline input and the normal output shaft.

I also have a M-20 from 1965 that is a 2.56 low gear unit.



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Wally
www.muncie4speed.com (http://www.muncie4speed.com)
Gold #67
67 Malibu "Small Block" second owner
90 SS454
71 Malibu "Small Block"
93 torch red vette

In some of the part places they sell the conversion kit. It includes all the linkage. Z-Bar and so on. I think Year One has the kit, don't remember tho.

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I will take my boring automatic anyday,I can bark the tires just the same as the 4 speed guys,without having to rev the engine,and it sure is alot easier on drivetrain parts http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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Bob West
Monett,Mo.
1972 Malibu,461 cid.

Go for it! I just put a 4spd in my daily driver 66 chvelle. Its like a new toy now.

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Troy Miller
Whiteford,Maryland
70 Nova
72 Nova
66 Chevelle

63-70 Muncies-ALL: 10 spline input, 27 spline output.

71-74 Muncies- ALL: 26 spline input, 32 spline output.

One exception: 70 M-22, 26 spline input, 32 spline output (like 71-74).

Todd,
It really doesn't matter whether or not you want a 4sp in your car. Because there was a federal law passed that requires ALL performance type cars from the 50s-70s (such as Chevelles) be retro-fitted with a manual transmission such as a Muncie 4sp. This law goes into affect next year.

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Tom Parsons

huh ?! Your joking ;right?

Umb, what???

I am glad i'm in Canada cuz i'm sure that would have something to do with pollution so I don't need to worry http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif


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Chris Dagenais
Saskatchewan
'71 Malibu with a home built 454!
My Chevelle (http://www.ycworld.dynip.com/home/car.html)

if they pass a law, dosent that mean they would have to pay for the conversions to manual trannies? i just find that hard to believe since the final gear ratio in a 4spd muncie is almost the same as a t350, how will that make less pollution?

Later,

Todd

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Todd69SS:
if they pass a law, dosent that mean they would have to pay for the conversions to manual trannies? i just find that hard to believe since the final gear ratio in a 4spd muncie is almost the same as a t350, how will that make less pollution?


also does anyone here have a muncie for sale?
Later,

Todd<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Ga. has had it in legislation for 2 or 3 years, but hasn't passed into law yet. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/wink.gif That's why I've been rounding up parts for my car. If you haven't started yet, you had better get on the ball. Those 4 speed parts are getting scarce.

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1972 Malibu (1 st. car) Project waiting to happen
Team Chevelle # 427
A.C.E.S. # 1282

If you get a 70 or earlier Muncie like I have in my 69 - you do not need to move the crossmember, you do not need to shorten the driveshaft and you do not need to change the yoke. In my opinion they are plenty strong for a 500hp street engine and makes for an easy swap (I have swapped several Chevelles and Camaros over to 4-speeds from those wimpy autos). I have the M-21 and would like an M-20 for street use.

Dang, Tom, my tax dollars finally did some good and I'm finally compliant!!!!

Todd , ditto what Bob said. I swaped this year from M21 to 20 on DZ Auto's recommendation and it was very different. then I took my big gumbos off ( 28" high) and put regular tires on and the resultant increase in gearing is incredible. Plus, in some areas the M20's are still less expensive because the 21's are in greater demand. Who knows why.

[This message has been edited by Gene Chas (edited 06-14-2000).]

Whoa. Stop. Backup. Am I the only one that has never heard of this? Please either post more info on this "manual law" or a lead to further information. By manual, does this mean manually shifted auto? clutch type only? What. So my '48 Anglia can be a powerglide but the '66 has to to have manual trans. Please more info. This is to hard to believe. Why would a large percentage of us be putting in the overdrives? Tell me this is a joke. Later, Bill

...in addition to the mandatory manual transmission Chevelle law,bright colored underwear must be worn on your head while driving and talking on a cellphone.The National Counsel of Highway Safety has concluded that underwear on your head has a positive high visibilty effect on other drivers,and creates a safety firewall so other drivers can be alert that you are on the phone.How do I know all this? Zedd from the "Numbers on my Big Block" post told me so.(just had to goof on everyone,I'm in a weird/happy mood) http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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1970 Chevelle SS396/L78/M21/4.10
1972 Olds 442 convertible(455,W25,M40)
1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass 350 Olds,Th350(daily driver)
1969 CHEVELLE SS396/TH400 FOR SALE!!
"Be aware of the possible ramifications of the potential outcome"

[This message has been edited by mr 4 speed (edited 06-14-2000).]

Hmmmmmm......... Maybe this is why a guy tried to buy my Nodular B/W ST-10 yesterday?

I had it up for auction last year and am glad I didn't sell it. Towards the end of last year I found a '68 Camaro SS 396/375hp. car to put my 4 speed and 427 into.

This guy knew my reserve was $1500 (brand new 1978 tranny) and failed to meet it. Now he wants to buy it. I told him my intentions for it now. I can't see selling it to replace it with a $1300 Richmond aluminum cased one.

Me thinks it's time to start hording 4 speeds and parts (shifters,linkages,bellhousings etc.)
I already have a good start on steel flywheels and scattershields.

Rick
'68 SS 427
'66 Yenko

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See what you have started Tom? I bet you'll be in the shop tonight freshening up some Muncies, so all these guys won't be breaking the law. Anyone need a rebuilt 4 speed, just email DZ or me, we can get you fixed right up!

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1972 Malibu (1 st. car) Project waiting to happen
Team Chevelle # 427
A.C.E.S. # 1282

[This message has been edited by Doug Garland (edited 06-14-2000).]

Ive been stockpiling trannies and converters for months in anticipation of the law. I even got a dummy clutch pedal hanging under the dash and a 4 speed hurst welded to my quicksilver, just in case any nice officers glance inside and suspect an automatic..also been trying to miss a shift when cruisin, but the tires chirp too fast and I cant seem to get that over revving part down either!

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70 chevelle ss396 conv
66 chevelle ss396 hdp/conv
55 chevy prostreet
69/71 camaros
91 formula
85 monte SS
TC member #493

Tom, Thats pretty funny!!!
Mandatory, HAHAHA.

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The rider, or addendum to that law that DZ failed to mention, and which did not pass House muster, was that if you are blonde and have a pair of 44's YOU MUST wear a halter top. Clearly it was considered non -PC. Shame. It would certainly have qualified as a "beautification" measure.

Hahahahahahahaha! You hooked 'em DZ. Nice work Sir.

DZ you weren't supposed to tell them until I unloaded all my auto trannys and found a reasonably priced Muncie. We are in Bench Racing aren't we. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

And for all of you that missed it the first time it was posted Manual Trans Act of 1954 (http://www.chevelles.com/forum/Forum6/HTML/000991.html)

Al do you mind if I drop this into Bench Racing Archive, I think it deserves to be archived.

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Philip Valentine
Gold Member #42
Under Construction Car & Page (http://www.citlink.net/~bowtie)

[This message has been edited by 64elcamino (edited 06-14-2000).]

So there’s no link? *#&^%.

I hate you guy’s and I’m never coming over again. Man, do I have stupid on my face. Wife is right (this once), I gotta slow down, and then calm down. DZ, just hang me next to that big dumb moose head on the wall. Man, I hope a friend of mine doesn’t wander in here, doesn’t matter, I’m gonna go out, lay down on the creeper, and wheel myself under the car, see you all sometime next week.

Just one question, though. Can we use false names on here? I mean like, change our identity or something? Because that injected66 guy is not me.