My father's business has been doing well and he wants to treat himself. He had a tempest in highschool and has always wanted a GTO, finally in the place to buy one. He doesnt really care about a car being correct. He isnt really looking for the best bargain buy, he would rather pay more and just get something he wants. He also isnt really looking at it as an investment, he just wants it. Sounds pretty nice to feel that way about a car eh? :rolleyes: Basically I just want you guys to take a look and see if anything speaks out to you. I asked the seller a bunch of questions for the missing information such as which tremec, cam specs, was it a frame off, etc. He is selling it for a "friend", unfortunatelly I think he is kinda a dealer. I am not a huge fan of dealers. Anyway tell me what you think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-PONTIAC-GTO-400-TRIPOWER-400HP-A-C-5SPEED-RESTOMOD_W0QQitemZ270127827212QQihZ017QQcategoryZ7 244QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.bidviews.com/coloclassiccars/R3.JPG

Looks nice thats for sure.
Ita a dealer also .
The only advice I would tell you and your father is to spend the coin and go and look at the the car before you buy it.:yes:

Looks nice thats for sure.
Ita a dealer also .
The only advice I would tell you and your father is to spend the coin and go and look at the the car before you buy it.:yes:

As I told him, however he isnt very interested in that, I told him risky... Very risky. :yes:

The car started as a Pontiac Lemans from the factory

Pasted that directly from the ad. Personally if it was me, if I had the money to look for a GTO. I would seek out a real one, seen quite a few the last few years still priced reasonable.

Have him keep his eye on the local classifieds, Craigslist, and even racingjunk too.

Pasted that directly from the ad. Personally if it was me, if I had the money to look for a GTO. I would seek out a real one, seen quite a few the last few years still priced reasonable.

Have him keep his eye on the local classifieds, Craigslist, and even racingjunk too.

Like I said, he doesnt care about correctness. It looks like a GTO, it doesnt really matter. That way he can just get it cheaper, just because he has the money doesnt really justify spending so much extra for a "real" gto. Plus you dont have to feel bad about putting non correct parts on it such as the tremec. The only reason to have a real GTO or a real SS chevelle is for 2 reasons. Braggin' rights, and as an investment, at least in my opinion.

The reserve is $49,000. You can buy a real one for that.

The reserve is $49,000. You can buy a real one for that.

Where does it say that? If it sais that I missed it bu I agree, that is WAYYYYYYY to high. :noway:


Can you please point out where that is stated? :confused:

Looks like a pretty nice car, from the pics. Not sure it's worth much more than what's bid.
The seller does have 100% feedback, though, FWIW.

Looks like a pretty nice car, from the pics. Not sure it's worth much more than what's bid.
The seller does have 100% feedback, though, FWIW.

Its for sure worth more than $22k. :yes: Tremec, 9", vintage air, march pulley set, gw setup. If you could build a car like that for $22k I would be very impressed.

The only reason to have a real GTO or a real SS chevelle is for 2 reasons. Braggin' rights, and as an investment, at least in my opinion.
okay :D nice car and probaly cost 40k to build ? but you can buy a real nice genuine GTO for that or less :yes:

I think they were over charged for the drain plug mounting! :D

VERY nice looking car!

I would find out what body work was done. Full qtr's? Patches? Nothing?

If the reserve is in deed 49k that's alot - but somebody obviously put some bucks into it - sound like your father is willing to pay for something nice, but I'm sure he could find a nice one for 30k and spend the other 20k on gas so he can drive his heart out as well :thumbsup:

Good luck and be sure to tell him to enjoy the search. If he's willing to spend that kind of money there's lots for him to look at out there.

He still hasn't answered your question about frame off.
Remember, he is a dealer. He wants to sell the car for a profit. Therefore he will say many things, some of which may not be factual.

You mentioned it would be a good investment. I disagree. A lemans with lots of work done to it is not a good investment. It's still a lemans or tempest.

Depending on your father's budget, you should go to the GTO sites and find a real GTO. That is what will get him bragging rights and a good investment.

beautiful car and tastefully done.
If it was a real GTO (242 in the VIN)the 49K reserve (I don't see where it does state the reserve unless someone contacted the seller and thats the number that was given) would be worth it.
Other wise I see it worth a max of 35K IMHO and experience.

I agree that the previous owner spent alot of money on this car but your dad really could do better. On www.brockersbeautys.com there are (2) GTO's for the mid 20,000. And I'm sure there are many more out there. According to the NADA book a Tempest Lemans with a 400/360hp, 4 speed and air has a midrange value of 17,710. The same GTO has a value of 55,125. Which one sounds better in the long run when you compare the two. Good luck with your dad's purchase and I would go and look at the car in person. Pictures don't tell the true story all the time although it does look very nice.

I agree that the previous owner spent alot of money on this car but your dad really could do better. On www.brockersbeautys.com there are (2) GTO's for the mid 20,000. And I'm sure there are many more out there. According to the NADA book a Tempest Lemans with a 400/360hp, 4 speed and air has a midrange value of 17,710. The same GTO has a value of 55,125. Which one sounds better in the long run when you compare the two. Good luck with your dad's purchase and I would go and look at the car in person. Pictures don't tell the true story all the time although it does look very nice.

i was just going to reccomend the same thing. brockers gets some nice rides, and he seems to always have a couple gto's that are fairly priced....

Yes I agree about Brockers. That 65 chevelle wagon was one of the best for 13000. Very nice car. I wanted the car but couldn't jump on it fast enough. My loss is the new owners gain....I'll be ready next time...

Just a slightly better deal :)

http://www.brockersbeautys.com/images/66pontiacgtored01.jpg

A fool and his money will soon part............:sad:

Just a slightly better deal :)

http://www.brockersbeautys.com/images/66pontiacgtored01.jpg

I agree! I like that one too.

A fool and his money will soon part............:sad:

Easy Mr69.

I have told my dad that we can find something that is better priced. The dealer also has not answered my questions, he doesnt know that much about the car. The guy is just asking tooo much money for something not that special. I advised him to spend about $30k-$40k and get a car with a frame off, and a real gto. Even though he does not care about a return or an investment, I told him that it is an added bonus, and we should try to find a real GTO. There are alot of nice GTO's out there that are priced really fairly. Within the end of the month we should be able to find a pretty nice one.

The only reason to have a real GTO or a real SS chevelle is for 2 reasons. Braggin' rights, and as an investment, at least in my opinion.

Its that exact attitude that is killing the market on these cars for the average person. Everyone just wants an investment and/or something they can show off. The cars don't mean anything other than making a few dollars and having something to show off to their friends.

But I guess this is just a bitter rant of a 17 year old that doesn't have the money to buy these cars.

Its that exact attitude that is killing the market on these cars for the average person. Everyone just wants an investment and/or something they can show off. The cars don't mean anything other than making a few dollars and having something to show off to their friends.

But I guess this is just a bitter rant of a 17 year old that doesn't have the money to buy these cars.

I never said I felt that way. I wish it werent like that, but I cant control the market.

I bought a Pontiac Tempest brand new in 1967 - it was a pos ( Piece Of Sh......) car - never bought a Pontiac since -

- You can tell your dad some Chevelle guy said don't ever but a 67 Pontiac - new or used or RESTOMOD or any other flavor of 67 Pontiacs ever -

that's my advice

You may not be. But I have seen plenty that are like that. I didn't mean to make it look like I was going right at you.

I bought a Pontiac Tempest brand new in 1967 - it was a pos ( Piece Of Sh......) car - never bought a Pontiac since -

- You can tell your dad some Chevelle guy said don't ever but a 67 Pontiac - new or used or RESTOMOD or any other flavor of 67 Pontiacs ever -

that's my advice

Lol, My dad had a pontiac tempest from 67 as well. It was POS, 6 cylinder, 3 spd manual. What a pile, you did not own a goat! I'll let my Father know what you said, I'm sure he will take your advice very seriously! :rolleyes:

The responses on this are amazing.

Frankly the car looks VERY nice. I would not buy it sight unseen but I would certainly spend some frequent flyer miles to look at it in person. As for the "It aint a real GTO" point of view SO WHAT????? The pirists should try to actually build that car for the $$$$"s that they say this is worth. Just try it. In the final analysis it is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

If on personal inspection it is as nice as it appears in the pictures negotiate a little and then BUY IT. There are "dealers" here in Atlanta that are asking $50K for automaic equipped, numbers matching (wanna buy a bridge with that car?) GTO verts that are original, tired out and possibly as fradulent as this car. The difference is that this car has been built by someone who knows what he is doing and apparently does things right AND who admits it is not an original. The other side of the coin to this car is a claimed numbers matching fraud and that needs no end of work that is marketed as a John DeLorian personal driver.

As for the " it aint original " crowd...I submit that THAT is what is wrong with this hobby. Nobody wants anything to do with a nice car like this one because they "gotta have" a factory built investment cream puff no matter what condition it is under the skin. Investment my foot. Investments are made in the stock market or real estate NOT in most classic cars.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Building this car from scratch would cost a ton of money and this one is right here right now and ready to drive. Consider just a few parts included in this car....the 5 Speed is about $3500, the rear is at least $2000 and the tri power is at least $500 / $600 at todays prices. Throw in another $1500 for the A/C and you are at $7500 in major parts only and if you cannot do the installs yourself you need to spend another $4000 to $5000 on labor.. Throw in another $5000 ( likely low) for paint. $600 for the interior......and on and on.

Yes the car is a little expensive but stop take a breath and get this numbers nonsense out of your heads as "Dad" obviously has done. This car might be a real score. If Dad wants it as it is KNOWING it aint genuine and IF it passes a personal inspection well then I think it is a little expensive but not outta sight.

Dare ya to let dad read this.

The highest prices being spent on these types of toys are for the ones that are restored originals with some major awards under there belts, otherwise they are just hot rods that someone threw lots of money at, and trying to get back as much as possible. I would agree that the hot rod in question could not be built for under 40K, but it’s a hot rod, not a GTO. If your dad loves exactly the way someone else threw a ton of money at to build that car, than tell him to go for it, but most hot rods and street rods are very personal expressions of what each person wants to build.

I agree with most of what people are saying. He just wants a car that he can get in and drive and loves GTO's. He doesnt care about investment, if he needs to sell it and loses a little money years down the road he wont care. He wont care because he got enjoyment from driving it all those years. He is pretty excited about it and probably going to do it. He is not a purist and just wants to enjoy a cool car.

Well in the big Scheme of things he's the only one who has to be happy with it, Dad's probably already figured out that life is short, and it's there taunting him and he want's it.

Having just put 55K and more headaches than you can possibly imagine into a fresh build, 42K for instant gratification and a cool ride dosen't sound all too horrible really.

And if he could build any car he wanted and that is it, then he's coming out ahead.

Post a picture of the grin on his face in his Goat cause that's really all that matters.

Car choice is a preference, yeah, maybe we want him to have a Chevelle, but that's not what Dad wants.

There are better deals out there...
http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/searchresults.php?mm=Pontiac--GTO

This has already been stated... If we wants a GTO and has the $$ to spend he shouldn't be spending that much money on an immitation - get the real thing.

My first car was a 65 Pontiac Tempest, handed down over the years, 326 auto 4 door. That car took me everywhere. Was finally retired after many years of faithful service, rust had taken over the frame and undercarriage. I've always liked the lines and the styling and it was a good car for me.

he shouldn't be spending that much money on an immitation - get the real thing.
.

It doesnt matter though, not to him. I just have an El Camino, not an SS, ad I dumped a fortune into her! I dont care either. Its part of the hobby, its still a GTO anyway you slice it. :hurray:

You want a real GTO, contact Tony at TNT Musclecars in Yreka, CA, just south of the CA/OR border on I-5. He usually has one or more at his shop for sale or knows of many that are for sale. He's probably restored 40 of them along with god knows how many other musclecars, Tri-5's, T-birds, street rods, etc., etc. My best guess is he's owned about 30 GTO's himself over the years, maybe more. Good luck to your Dad with whatever he decides.
64elkynss

Brett the car that you are looking at is a great looking car. Sixties cars had lots of faults with brakes and handling. This car has enough upgrades to make it a really nice working car on today's roads. An original car may be a good investment but I feel that this car would be a better driver. Tell your Dad to go look at it and DRIVE it and see if it meets his expectations. It would be terrible dissapointment to buy it without seeing it in person. Good luck,

Paul

Brett

I just looked on ebay - auction ended - hi bid 30 K - reserve not met - car not sold

So what happened ??

Brett

I just looked on ebay - auction ended - hi bid 30 K - reserve not met - car not sold

So what happened ??


He bought it outside of Ebay. Was able to bargain way below original reserve price. While it may not be a gto, it looks the same, and has better than gto parts. Should be a fun car to drive. Waiting on shipping at the moment.

He bought it outside of Ebay. Was able to bargain way below original reserve price. While it may not be a gto, it looks the same, and has better than gto parts. Should be a fun car to drive. Waiting on shipping at the moment.
Should be a fun car, the waiting is the hardest part :hurray:

That's great!

Sharp looking car. And the way it turned out he has some of that gas money I mentioned :thumbsup:

Enjoy!

How fun. I think it's great that you care so much for your Dad and are looking out for his well being. I bet it will be a real treat for you watching him drive and enjoy what looks like a really nice ride.

hey Brett- bringing this back up to the top.... do you have any pics of your dad's GTO since he got it?

sucker!!!!

Ben, I PM'ed you.