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: UDHarold-would greatly appreciate your input.


69bigblock
Aug 10th, 04, 9:50 PM
Hi harold, Wanted to get a couple of cam recomendations when you get time. I would hate to field all the questions you get in one day.

2 cars (one chevelle , one not)

69 barracuda (drag car) race only
Light car( stripped)
solid flat tappet
Chrysler 360 (30 over)
1 3/4 headers
Keith black 12 to 1 pistons
Holley 750
Edelbrock RPM heads and instake (2.02/1.6)
Crane adj. rockers
3800 tci convertor
727 tqflite tranny
410 spool

69 chevelle (street/strip)
Solid Roller needed
4000 lbs with me in it!
496 ci
merlin 310 heads (out of box) (may switch to afr 325)
Holley 1000hp
Dart single intake
2" hooker headers
3 1/2" exhaust
forged crank/rods/pistons
10.2 comp
th400 3-3500 stahl (not sure yet) (3800 right now)
9" w 4.56 gears 28" tire (may switch to 4.11)
NX nitrous (150-300 shot) usually 150 (couple times a month at the track)
right now using comp cams 11-772-8 248/50 653/660 lift solid roller
maybe your 50231 cam?



Thanks in advance from your very busy schedule,

Scott_68_SS
Aug 10th, 04, 10:00 PM
My guess on what he'll say :D

287/295 .660/.660 or 285/295 .630/.630
Just what I was looking at till I ran out of money. maybe 300/30x

UDHarold
Aug 10th, 04, 11:37 PM
69bigblock,

First, I must apologize, almost all my 'stuff' is at work, so I am going on memory.
For the Mopar, I'd use either my 286/290 Mopar solid, 259/263 at .050, .586/.597 valve lift, and 106 LSA, or if your car is real light, the 290/294 solid. It is 263/267 at .050 amd .597/.609 valve lift, again 106 LSA. I'd put either cam in at 100° ATDC ICL, and they will need a good fuel system.
For the 496 BBC, the 287/295 is a good one, but if you're not in a big hurry, ie, still have a couple of months, I've got some new ones coming out at .663/.663 valve lift, and a good range of durations. I'm getting durations at .015" that I used to get at .020", so they look very good....
My SOLID LIFTER BBC 288/296F is 288/296 at .015", 255/263 at .050", quite fat at .200"(still classified), and .626"/.626" valve lift. Valve lash in the BBC is .018" HOT.
The new roller cams at 8°-10° fatter at .200, for the same .015/.050 numbers. Valve lifts will run .626", .663", .708", .750" and UP!!!

UDHarold

69bigblock
Aug 11th, 04, 1:49 PM
Harold, thank you very much for your input. Maybe you or someone else here can explain how you make more horspower with less lift. I know it is done but is it the duration numbers or the lobes or ?

Thanks in advance.

UDHarold
Aug 11th, 04, 11:13 PM
I'll be real brief......
Horsepower/torque is made by both the intake and the exhaust cams. I won't go into exhaust theory tonight, but the proper exhaust cam can add torque/horsepower even with identical intake lobes.
On the intake side, horsepower/torque is made by minimizing reversion before TDC, and maximizing area after TDC, particularly in the 1st 75° ATDC. There is no way that the typical cam company can give you that information. I generally look at the timing points at the seat, and the .200" duration numbers. Everybody references the .050" numbers, and I do too, but they have only a limited effect.
When you look at 2 cams with almost identical-looking durations and lift, and one makes more power, it's all in what I said above. Sometimes it is more than just a couple of BHP.....

UDHarold