Just to get Them to do thier homework?:confused: I mean GOOD LORD, there's two week's of school left, and if they bring home anything less then a B, there goes the X-BOX and car key's.:yes:

So od You think it'll hold up in court?:confused:

In todays society, it would be preferred that they drop out and become non-productive drains on society than to be "traumatized" into productivity by having their X-box taken away. ;)

Do whatever is necessary to get the result you want.

Do whatever is necessary to get the result you want.


Trust ME, I get result's. I have the ability to make the kid's feel My wrath, without beating on them. And, I'm definitly not afraid to take stuff/priviledge's away. I'm just getting tired of it. I'm not a complete D_ _ k, but I run this house, with My wife as My queen.

1 of 2 choices.
Have to beat them or have yourself beaten for having them:D

More power to you!!! Follow your heart and do what is best for your children when they are 40!

Dave, I know exactly how you're feeling right now. My boy graduates in a few hours, yet didn't know if he'd be walkin' the stage until this past Friday morning, after a phone call to Illinois, where he overnighted some corrections to his extra credit correspondence courses he took. His butt was makin' squeaking noises when he walked. :yes:

You guys got it licked at this point. If there through high school. I have a 3 year old and a 6 year old. my problems are just starting.

You guys got it licked at this point. If there through high school. I have a 3 year old and a 6 year old. my problems are just starting.

I'll see that, and raise you a 1 year old :thumbsup: I am in 33.3% more trouble than you are :D

I have always maintained that children are property untill they are 18 or become self sufficient.
I had problems with all the girls (they are gone now) and being a STEP_PARENT has not helped at all
The boy--almost 12--is great, good grades, religiously practices his trumpet, does chores, etc., (band dork:D )
One of the twins got hosed down one morning with a garden hose after she would not get up off the couch to go to her room to sleep. (Bryan has issues with kids sleeping on the sofa and being in pajamas all day)
The other twin got slammed into a wall after kicking me in the 'nads' and also recieved some damage.
And the younger girl got her butt almost knocked out after she started calling her mom some nasty names.
Call the cops-----My house --- My rules

The lack of corporal punishment today is letting people get away with MURDER---literally

Trust ME, I get result's. I have the ability to make the kid's feel My wrath, without beating on them. And, I'm definitly not afraid to take stuff/priviledge's away. I'm just getting tired of it. I'm not a complete D_ _ k, but I run this house, with My wife as My queen.

Just keep reminding yourself that you are not there to be their friend, they have enough friends. You are there to guide them and sometimes you have to be cruel (as they see it) to be kind. Sounds like you got it nailed alright!:thumbsup: I got 4 out on their own and believe me I'm liked more now then when they were home!:D

Girls are much harder to deal with IMO, They learn at a very early age how to MANipulate us.

I'll see that, and raise you a 1 year old :thumbsup: I am in 33.3% more trouble than you are :D

I'm in. I'll see your 1 year old with a pair of Foster to adopt kids that I have had for a year and a half, and raise you a 13 yr old step kid (hole card is that the step is mildly autistic)

The lady from Childrens' Services told us "Open hand, don't leave permanent marks, no broken bones"

Just TRY spanking a kid who has literally been beaten to within an inch of their life by a bio-parent and see what results that gets you. Much better to use The Chair. No sound or movement from the chairsitter until time is up. If there is any noise or movement, the timer gets reset. Difficulty: Timer is in full view of the chairsitter, and the chair is next to the TV. :D

Someday I hope to do as well as some of you have, and have kids actually graduating from High School. It is also a dream I have that they will be productive, useful members of society.

K

"The lady from Childrens' Services told us "Open hand, don't leave permanent marks, no broken bones"


NO SHE DIDN'T??????

I was always under the impression that it is discipline unless it is deadly.

On a side note: I just graduated High School with a 3.902 GPA. Never once did I need to "get beat" when I had a D+ (lowest grade ever in HS)...

-Todd

My experience is that setting FIRM rules at an EARLY age pays many rewards down the line!!! If they know at age 2 that the typical "terrible 2" behavior just isn't acceptable, you'll have a well-behaved 5 year old and older v/s a whiny young child. Doesn't have to mean beating them, but setting firm guidelines does the trick!

Alot depends on the mentality of the child as well. My son has probablly been spanked MAYBE 5 times in his 10 year old life. Last 3 times when the words "Drop 'em" were uttered, he burst into tears. But I've heard about kids you could wear your hand out on, and they were still defiant. Just gotta use your noggin and make use creative punishment!

Whip that butt!, It does work, People call us all the time reporting their kids are out of control. I tell them if you would have corrected this matter years ago, you would not be in this position now. My grandson is 4 and he already knows yes Sir and no Sir. Anything else and he knows what will happen. His mother made the mistake one time and told him if he did something again he would be put in Timeout! I picked him up and busted his tail, and told her there was no such thing as timeout! My son walked up and said, You are right dad.:thumbsup: She didnt speak for a few days, but what the heck. My son told her thats the way it would be or else. Thats the problem nowdays. Little Johnny, go to time out for a minute!:noway: :mad:

My only real issue is that I have to constantly ride the two of them on their school work. We don't have other issue's, those were dealt with at a young age. No, I didn't beat the hell outta them, but alittle goes a long ways, especially if it's done young enough. Let's just say, My kid's weren't the screamers in public place's, nor did throwing a fit ever get Them what they wanted.:thumbsup:

They are:
16(girl) My wife's Daughter, from a previous relationship.
14(boy) My son from a previous relationship

Shelly and I have been together for 11 years, and the other parents haven't been too involved ever. Though I missed a few of the formative years with My Daughter, She's a girl, I don't think it woulda helped anyhow.:D

A freind of mine tried to discipline his 13 year old in a grocery store one time and her response was hit me and I will call the police. (HERD this from a well meaning teacher) He said you call the police and you better call an ambulance!) Please don't beat you kids. BUT DON'T LET THEM SCARE YOU!

I'm not going to argue like I did before on one of these kinds of topics. But instead I will give you my personal oppinion.

I can't speak for every teenager out there. But when the yelling starts that just instantly flips every single violent switch inside of me. Thats not trying to act tough or anything thats just how my attitude is. But back to what I was saying. All yelling at me will do is make me angry and I won't listen to a word you are saying. All I will think about doing is shutting up the source.

But if I messed up and I know it and you talk to me like you aren't some kind of god. Then I will me more inclined to actually listen to what you have to say. So threats of violence and yelling to absolutely nothing except for making me angry.

But like I said I can't speak for every single teenager out there. Im just trying to give you some kind of idea of what the younger side might be thinking.

Reading this post just reconfirms my decision not to have kids.

Dogs are sooo much easier to train and (at least mine) listen when I tell them to do something, are always happy when I come home, and don't need a babysitter when I want to go do something without them.

Ah the wonderful teen years. My oldest is 21 now. This worked for me. You can explain that if the grades fall below a certain point (below a B in this house), then that's when consequences kick in: loss of things like:

Dating
PC
Video games
TV
Freedom!

All depends on how harsh you wish to me.

Not to criticize, but this kind of thing gets nipped in the bud if you establish EARLY ON and REINFORCE habbits like "When you get home, the homework starts!". ALL my kids knew they had a 10 minute break from when they walked in the door til time to start doing the homework. Yeah, we had to occasionally remind them, but not too often once it's burned in. Takes about 6 months solid to build that habbit.

One of my wifes favorite phrases when the son was younger. "Kids turn 13 and then brain dead" lol
Also seen a big billboard sign that said. Please hire a teenager while they still know everything

I'm not going to argue like I did before on one of these kinds of topics. But instead I will give you my personal oppinion.

I can't speak for every teenager out there. But when the yelling starts that just instantly flips every single violent switch inside of me. Thats not trying to act tough or anything thats just how my attitude is. But back to what I was saying. All yelling at me will do is make me angry and I won't listen to a word you are saying. All I will think about doing is shutting up the source.

But if I messed up and I know it and you talk to me like you aren't some kind of god. Then I will me more inclined to actually listen to what you have to say. So threats of violence and yelling to absolutely nothing except for making me angry.

But like I said I can't speak for every single teenager out there. Im just trying to give you some kind of idea of what the younger side might be thinking.

When you are a parent---just try being calm when you come home from work and find one of your (mine was a t-bird) cars crashed and nobody knows what happened to it! Serious front-end collision with a post!
Nobody at the house at the time had a license----Mom & I were both at work. Gaurantee---you will blow your top!
If the parents do start yelling----They have a reason! And under no circumstances should the offspring ever shout back.
My brother and I were both disciplined (probably beyond abuse) several times growing up by the Step-Dad
Only told my parents "NO" one time----never again
Never punished for the same thing more than once
Never punished when not deserved.
I also went to school in a time that corporal punishemnt was acceptable.
I believe it should still be---those people at the school have no power whatsoever, as all the kids know there are no consequences for their actions.
Your kid yells at me in my house----he will find is hiney knocked to the floor!
Simple rules at my house for the kids
no phone after 8:30
no sleeping on the sofa
if you are up for the day---get dressed
make sure the pets are fed and watered
no friends in the house w/o me or mom @ home
no yelling in anger or foul mouths

I can't speak for every teenager out there. But when the yelling starts that just instantly flips every single violent switch inside of me. Thats not trying to act tough or anything thats just how my attitude is. But back to what I was saying. All yelling at me will do is make me angry and I won't listen to a word you are saying. All I will think about doing is shutting up the source.

Michael, I know you said you don't want to argue but you need to explain yourself on this one. I assume you're talking about when your parents are yelling at you. What do you mean by violent switches getting flipped and shutting up the source?

It sounds like you are talking about hitting or breaking things and possibly hitting your parents. IF this is the case, your attitude, as you call it, needs some serious adjustment.

I go to calls almost daily where parents can't control their kids. My advice to them, is that there is nothing wrong with disciplining your children. I don't mean "time out", that's a bunch of crap.

Many parents say they're scared to yell at the kid because the child will get so angry and get up in the parents face actually scaring the parent, typically this is a single mother situation. My advice to them in this situation is to knock their a** out. Now your talking about defending yourself, which you have the right to do, and especially from your own children.

The day that I'm ever scared of one of my kids is the day that I'll need to increase the dental plan, because some teeth are going to get knocked out.

I'm not real religious so I can't quote it, but I know that the bible says something about disciplining the children with a cain or something of the sort. If the bible says it's okay then it can't be wrong. Of course now days you can't believe in the bible or pray or anything like that, so maybe my thinking is wrong on that one.

Just a little side story, because this is basically a what's wrong with society thread. At my son's pre-school graduation a couple weeks ago all the kids stood up, put their right hand over their heart, and said the pledge of allegience at the beginning of it. Just like I remembered it and said every morning when I went to school, they said the one nation under god part and everything. Maybe there's some hope for this place yet.

Those things were just thoughts, I would never ever hit my parents. But I will admit I have hit things because of being yelled at. To be completely honest I even feel bad about the way I think sometimes. But if that same situation comes up it wont stop me from thinking the same way.

I am not proud of things I have done because of problems that I have had with my mom and step dad. Im not trying to brag but things that have happened but you cant change things once they are done. Most of the problems I did bring on myself because of trouble in school. But some of the things were just blown way out or proportion.

To be honest I don't feel like getting into the real reasons why I think the way I do. Not because of some great emotional damage or something. Its mostly because I dont feel like sitting here and typing the whole story from beginning to end. But if someone wants to hear it that bad maybe Ill type it up some time. :p

In a nutshell its basically a lot of hypocracy, on top of getting ganged up on over things, and to top it off lots and lots of unnecessary yelling.

Around here, when the homework wasn't being done, I gave one warning, then ALL the computer games disappeared. Not for a day or two, but permanently. They learned early that threats weren't empty. When our kids were old enough, they got jobs to have their own spending money. We didn't lie to our kids and we did what we said. All three have their own homes and are doing fine. Give, give, give will only do one thing.....ruin a child. Can't blame your kids because you don't know how to raise them but you will feel the rath. Trust me on this one. The two most important things in life are raising your kids and managing your money and we don't get any schooling on either. Perhaps the schools could be put to better use than doing what they call education now.

In a nutshell its basically a lot of hypocracy, on top of getting ganged up on over things, and to top it off lots and lots of unnecessary yelling.

I don't know your situation, but your are telling a bunch of grown men about how a teenage boy feels. I'm pretty sure we are all well past that, we see things now you can't yet, things you won't ever been able to understand until you have a child. I know not all parents are great, and some are downright bad. But the great majority of parents are doing a good job, sounds to me like yours are one of them. We all mess up, thats human. But most of us here where teenage boys at one time, we know what works :D

How do you think we know when you are lying, when you are streaching the trouth, and when you are being perfectly honest? Its because you do the same stupid things, the same great things, and try the same lies as we did.

How do you think we know when you are lying, when you are streaching the trouth, and when you are being perfectly honest? Its because you do the same stupid things, the same great things, and try the same lies as we did.

And when you are in your 30's-40's------you find out YOUR parents knew all along. They were choosing battles.

Most all of the things I THOUGHT I got past em-----They actually told me about after I was married.

Don't think for a minute, that they don't know who you are

They did do a good job and I did learn. But there were a lot of things about my step dad that were unnecessary when I was living there.

You would of just had to be there to know what Im talking about.