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: BSE combo ?


73guna
Jun 30th, 04, 11:48 PM
Can anyone give me a link or tell me what this BSE is? I've already done a search and came up empty.
Thanks , Mitch.

Motor Martyr
Jul 1st, 04, 12:00 AM
***Updated***


BSE Big Block

454+ .060"= 467ci
-Wiesco closed chamber style pistons with Speed Pro Plasma Moly file fit rings
-11:1 CR
-Clevite bearings - mains, rod and cam
-Fel-Pro gaskets
-Crower Sportsman rods and Crower 4340 crank with ARP main studs and GM windage tray
-Moroso 6-Quart kicked-out pan # 20401 with pickup # 24440
-Melling oil pump high pressure
-RollMaster Billet double roller timing chain
-#215 closed chamber oval port heads '67 - '68 with 2.25 / 1.88 Undercut valves,
valves Unshrouded, gasket matched and bowls blended (valve job angles 30/45/70)
*note* head work done by Richard Biebel Racing
-Performer RPM Air gap Rectangular port manifold.
-Pro-Systems Pro Series 4150 "1000HP" downleg boosters
-1/2" 4 hole spacer over a 1/2" open spacer.
-GM carb heat shield
-LSM billet roller cam: 254/260 dur. .660"/.660" lift 107LSA 7/4 2/3 firing order
swap comp #933 springs (Coated). Crower severe duty lifters
-Rocker Arms- Crane Gold Race 1.7 rockers
-3/8" one piece pushrods
-MSD ignition- 6AL box, blaster II coil and Pro Billet distributor
-Headers - Dynomax 1 3/4" PRIMARY TUBE with 3" collectors. Remove collector weld on
Flowmaster Scavenger Collectors # C-134214300
-3-1/2" head pipes with 3-1/2" X-crossover and 3" dumps after mufflers. All bends to
be mandrel. DynoMax Oval UltraFlo mufflers
-Mallory Comp 140 fuel pump, regulator and filter plumbed to stock 3/8" fuel line.
-Mobil 1 0W-20 oil, Ford type F trans fluid and Mobil 1 gear lube
-indexed spark plugs
With a turbo 400 prepped by STR, ATI 8" Treemaster converter, CSI Super Shield,
Stock Horse Shoe Shifter 4.10 gears and either slicks or DOT slicks this combo will
run 10.40's depending on weather, tuning and driver Best: 10.37 @ 127.2 mph with a
1.35 60ft off the footbrake, through the exhaust at 3860 lbs.
-Delco 94 amp alternator with internal regulator #10495426 and a Delco battery
Group24 #78DT/84
-Denny's HD aluminum driveshaft 1350 U-joints and yokes
-ATI balancer
--15" x 10" Weld Pro Star wheel 5-1/2" backspacing. 30" x10" w/12.5" section width,
CO7 Hoosier Radial slick.
-Koni Street adjustable shocks set full stiff rear/full soft front
-Alf Weibe stock eliminator rear suspension w/Control arm braces that triangulate
the control arm mounts
-Front springs are Moog 5392 combined with Koni Gas shocks set at full soft and poly
graphite bushings set without any preload. The front sway bar has been removed
-front springs Moog 5392
17.95".......................Free height
11.50".......................loaded
266 lbs./in..................rate
.61...........................wire diameter
2026.........................total load

Front/rear weight bias = 59/41

73guna
Jul 1st, 04, 12:08 AM
Thanks Brian smile.gif .

Happy Johnson
Jul 1st, 04, 1:21 AM
I'm building this one...

BSE Combo is as follows:
"454+.060 = 467
-TRW # 2399 pistons with Speed Pro file fit rings
-10.0 - 10.7 CR depending on deck height, final combustion chamber volume and head gasket used.
-Clevite bearings - mains, rod and cam
-Fel-Pro gaskets
-GM 3/8" rods with ARP bolts and GM crank(cast is fine at this level) with ARP main studs and GM windage tray
-Moroso 6-Quart kicked-out pan # 20401 with pickup # 24440
-Melling oil pump
-Manley or DynaGear double roller timing chain
-#215 closed chamber oval port heads '67 - '68 with 2.19 / 1.88 valves, gasket matched and bowls blended
-Performer RPM Q-Jet Manifold with GM lifter valley splash shield
-Q-Jet carb with 75 main jet, 45B primary rod, AX secondary rods and B hanger
-1/2" phenolic 4-hole spacer
-GM carb heat shield
-Ultradyne 288 / 296 hydraulic cam with matching springs - double w/damper. cam specs are 231I / 239E duration @ .050 with .550 / .575 lift ground on a 110LSA. Install on a 108 intake centerline
-Rockers - either crane steel long slots or a roller. Isky are the best aluminum, Crower the best Stainless steel. Neither are needed at the power level.
-3/8" one piece pushrods Crane or Comp
-MSD ignition- 6AL box, coil and distributer(optional-allows easy curve adjustment)
-Headers - 1 3/4" PRIMARY TUBE WITH 3" collectors. Remove collector(cut off) and install(weld) Flowmaster Scavenger Collectors # C-134214300
-3" headpipes with 3" crossover and 2 1/2" tailpipes. All bends to be mandrel. Use Flowmaster Big Block mufflers 3" in and out, offset - offset (quietest performance muffler) or DynoMax Oval RaceMagnum.
-Mallory Comp 140 fuel pump, regulator and filter plumbed to stock 3/8" fuel line.
-Mobil 1 10W-30 oil, Ford type F trans fluid and Mobil 1 gear lube
-indexed spark plugs
With a turbo 400, ATI 10" converter, 3.73 gears and either slicks or DOT slicks this combo will run 11.60's to 11.90's depending on weather, tuning and driver. My best was 11.49 @ 115 in mine shaft air weighing 4000+ lbs. on pump gas.

This combo is fully streetable and was regularly driven to the track some 140 miles away and 2+ hours(one way) on a weekly basis. It was driven anywhere, never over heated and got 12-13 MPG on the highway with a lite foot.


Set the total timing to 36 degrees and shift at 5800 for best ET.

For my current combo just substitute a Comp cams street roller 238I / 244E duration @ .050, Performer RPM Air-Gap(not worth any ET), Holley 950 or 1000HP, 4.10 gear, lose the tailpipes and raise the shift point 200 RPM to 6000 and you'll run high 10's. Just don't forget things like a roll bar, SFI balancer, SFI bell housing shield, non-clip axles, and a real good suspension / tire package."

Motor Martyr
Jul 1st, 04, 6:08 PM
the one i posted is what Ed is currently running, and it changes sometimes because he likes to continuously test new parts.
Makes things interested, as most of the time he's testing something.

73guna
Jul 1st, 04, 11:19 PM
There's more than one? How many? Is there some place I can follow his testing or get update's on diff. combo's?
Mitch

Motor Martyr
Jul 1st, 04, 11:24 PM
Mitch the combo i posted is the most up to date. its not so much as different "versions", but the engine combo has evolved from what it was to what it is now.

I race with Ed, so i'm up to date on the combo, email me if you're looking for some specific information.

However there is also a friend of his who has build the BSE 502, and there are two small block BSE motors.

Motor Martyr
Jul 1st, 04, 11:48 PM
BTW, if anyone is looking to see the BSE chevelle race, Ed has been invited to race on Wednesday night July 7th at Raceway Park.

Its for the PC Richards Summer Motorsports spectacular.

July 7th at Raceway Park.

I may also be there, but i still have quite a bit of work to take car of.

Both of us have met quite a few forum members from various forums, i encourage anyone interested to make the trip to raceway park.

Mike Feudo
Jul 2nd, 04, 6:04 PM
I see ED finally started having trouble with the stock bottom ends. Always thought he was awfull lucky with that stock passenger car bottom end. Has he picked up any ET?

Motor Martyr
Jul 2nd, 04, 6:08 PM
Mike,
i dont think it was ever "stock", ed has always had Rich prep the motors well.
He was using stock connecting rods and TRW pistons, had a problem with a timing chain snapping last year, and decided to take the oppurtunity to step it up to a crower crank and rods, along with Wiesco pistons.

The change in rods/crank wasnt good for ET, but the cam change to a custom LSM grind with a firing order swap was good for 2 tenths.

SS_Sean
Jul 2nd, 04, 6:19 PM
If anyone's interested, here's the BSE 396:

Racer1320's 396 combo:
402 w / 10.3 to 1 compression (calculated)
Edelbrock Performer RPM Q-Jet Manifold
Q-Jet carb w / 75 main jets and 45B rods, AX secondary rods on a G
hanger
1 3/4" primary tube headers w / 3" collectors (go with Dynomax) and
Flowmaster 4-2-1 collectors
Factory lifter valley heat shield
Factory carb heat shield and 1/2" phenolic spacer
Moroso 6-quart oil pan
Factory windage tray
TRW aluminum water pump
Factory 7 Blade thermostatic clutch fan
Dual point distributor
Ultradyne hydraulic cam - 280/288, 223/ 231 @.050 with .525/.550 ground
on a 110 LSA and installed on a 106 Intake centerline with matching springs
Crane long slot steel rocker arms
Factory balancer
Felpro gaskets
Turbo 400 with transgo shift kit full auto valve body
Factory deep pan
ATI 10" converter # 408360(73P)
12 bolt with 3.73 gears
stock front and rear suspension with 1 3/8" sway bars and No-Hop bars
Polygraphite bushings
3" head pipes with 3" crossover and 2 1/2" tailpipes with Flowmaster
Big Block Mufflers Series 50
Mallory Comp 140 fuel pump and regulator
Factory 4-core radiator
This combo was driven anywhere and with the Q-Jet got 13 MPG on the
highway. With this cam you shift @ 5800 and with this valve lift you don't need
a roller rocker. If it's a square bore carb you want then go with the HP
series from Holley and stay away from the Demon which I believe is
junk. If you have the $ and want to step up with the 396, I'd go with a roller
setup. The problem is though that nobody makes a roller small enough for this
combo but you might want to give Comp a call and see if they'll custom grind
you one. Tell them you want a cam that's 232 / 238 @ .050 with .633 / .640
lift ground on a 108 LSA. This cam doesn't exist but they can grind it and
it has my intake lobe as an exhaust lobe for your combo. Don't let them
talk you into anything else. This setup will be 4-5 tenths quicker in the
1/4 mile and make power in the same range. However I don't recommend this
for a daily driver rather for a weekend max effort car that will see regular
trips down the 1320. BTW, this setup will set you back $1000 for everything.
Still the key to everything here is having those heads done by the right
people. Ideally you are looking for a shop that builds stock and super
stock motors and this work should cost about $700. If you are assemblingthe motor make sure all your clearances are dead on.

Rmchevelle
Jul 2nd, 04, 8:47 PM
Originally posted by hamrdown:
There's more than one? How many? Is there some place I can follow his testing or get update's on diff. combo's?
Mitch http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=3476075&f=80760912&m=564105504

SS_Sean
Jul 3rd, 04, 3:56 AM
He's got a fan club over there, too, I see. :D