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: Need help designing fuel system


SS_Sean
Mar 1st, 05, 3:53 AM
It's just about time to start plumping my fuel system, and I'd like some suggestions.

I've got a 454, stock stroke, 12.7:1 compression, Lunati solid 259/267, .625/.625, 110, GMPP aluminum heads, 2.19/1.88 valves. Running a 950HP. It should put out around 600 HP.

The pump is a Mallory Comp250, Mallory Comp 500 filter, and Mallory 3 port regulator.

I'm leaning towards the 1/2 aluminum fuel line for the frame, and -8AN from the cell to the hard line, and from the hard line to the regulator. From there I'm thinking -6AN to the carb.

Does this sound appropriate, or do I need to bump up to 5/8" hard line, and -10AN?

onovakind67
Mar 1st, 05, 9:12 AM
Here's a little help:

http://www.centuryperformance.com/fuel.asp

You can use 1/2" line to the regulator, but the return line will want to be 5/8" due to the volume of the pump. If the return line is too small, your fuel pressure will be erratic.

caru68
Mar 1st, 05, 11:02 AM
Great Site!

SS_Sean
Mar 1st, 05, 5:22 PM
Thanks a great site, I've bookmarked that site. Do we have any real world experience and opinions out there? -8AN or -10AN?

SS_Sean
Mar 2nd, 05, 3:30 PM
Anyone else have suggestion?

DragRacer
Mar 2nd, 05, 10:36 PM
Sean,

I would use -10 from the cell to the pump. 1/2" hardline (or -8)from the pump up to the front. I like to keep the line size fairly large before the pump as most electric pumps are essentially gravity feed.

On this same subject, I saw something very interesting while a Reher-Morrison a couple of weeks ago. Every dyno carb they had on the shelf outside the dyno has -6 feed lines going to each fuel bowl. This is on 1000-1300 HP stuff.

Good Luck,

SS_Sean
Mar 3rd, 05, 1:09 AM
That's not a bad idea, though I hadn't ever considered it, Jason. I was thinking of the -6AN to carbs, though, that's pretty standard. Wild to think so much HP through those little itty bitty -6AN lines would even work. :confused:

onovakind67
Mar 3rd, 05, 2:41 AM
How big do you think the needles and seats are on those carbs? Do you think they present more of a restriction to the flow than the -6 line? There are also 2 carbs on these engines. Our 331" road race motor makes about 430 hp using a 2-bbl carb with a single -6 line feeding the carb.

1968 hot rod
Mar 3rd, 05, 5:04 AM
I have used both and they both work but -10 is easier to run and work with although the price isn't as friendly.

Eric68
Mar 3rd, 05, 9:40 AM
Originally posted by DragRacer:
Sean,

I would use -10 from the cell to the pump. 1/2" hardline (or -8) from the pump up to the front. I like to keep the line size fairly large before the pump as most electric pumps are essentially gravity feed.

On this same subject, I saw something very interesting while a Reher-Morrison a couple of weeks ago. Every dyno carb they had on the shelf outside the dyno has -6 feed lines going to each fuel bowl. This is on 1000-1300 HP stuff.

Good Luck, I agree 100%. A single -6 will be too small unless you are running two separate -6 lines to the front a rear bowls from separate ports on the regulator.

I found that on my approx 500 HP small block a single -6 line, 3/8" steel line, and stock 3/8" pickup was too small to maintain pressure with a Carter 172 gph mechanical pump. The fuel pressure was dropping down to 2 psi at WOT

I ditched my entire old system and went to a 1/2" pick up, Aeromotive 150 gph electric, 1/2" aluminum hard line, and a single -8 braided from the regulator to the carb. Pressure is a rock solid 7 psi whether idling or WOT. A little more fuel pump and the -10 pick up should do the trick for 600 HP IMO

kjett
Mar 3rd, 05, 11:00 AM
I have -8an fuel line, 1/2" pickup (stock tank, no sump), Mallory Comp 140 pump and a two port non return style regulator. Engine is making right at 700hp. I have 8psi at idle and 7psi WOT though the traps. If you decide to use a return stlye regulator you should consider running a return line that is SMALLER than the supply line. I realize in theory that a larger return line is recommended, but I think you will find in practice this is not always true. You need some pressure on the return side of the regulator to keep the fuel column/pressure up on the supply side. My friend's SS car launches with a 1.31 60'. He originally had his fuel system -10 supply and -12 return. His Kwick Data acquisition system was showing a fuel pressure drop at launch from 9psi to 2psi. He reversed the supply and return lines and the problem went away. Food for thought....

onovakind67
Mar 3rd, 05, 11:13 AM
How big was the fuel pump on the SS car?

kjett
Mar 3rd, 05, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by onovakind67:
How big was the fuel pump on the SS car? 500GPH

ratuned
Mar 3rd, 05, 2:54 PM
i don't know about all the fancy fuel system stuff but haven gone 10.30's in a 65 chevelle with 1/2" line and holley blue pump(110 gph) with a dead head regulater. mike