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1st the guy has a 100% positive feedback rating ......good.
Certainly has plenty of potential as an original LS6 rebuild car. My only issue is rust in Northern cars even with low miles.
For the right price and a few more questions answered it certainly has the potential to be a rewarding build.

One thing I did notice is that it has a 71 Corvette LS6 intake on it...

Very nice actually. I'll take it!

Is that a short water pump on there? Might be a Vette motor altogether.

Is that a short water pump on there? Might be a Vette motor altogether.

No it is not a short water pump :)

One thing I did notice is that it has a 71 Corvette LS6 intake on it...

In the description he says that the engine is not original to the car.

In the description he says that the engine is not original to the car.

In the description he says "The original intake, exhaust manifolds, and distributor are in the car. The engine is not currently running" :)

I like the sub-title

1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 Low Mileage Survivor

But, the original engine's gone :)

I like the sub-title

1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 Low Mileage Survivor

But, the original engine's gone :)
kinda goes against the whole 'survivor' thing don't it?:confused:

One thing I did notice is that it has a 71 Corvette LS6 intake on it...

OK, I'll bite...what is the difference??? :)

Interesting that there is no pics of the dash etc...

-Garry

What difference does it make if it "had" an LS6? If the original equipment isn't there what difference does it make? It should be not more valuable than any other Super Sport with a non original big block. I just don't get the craze with everything that has something to do with an LS6.

But it is a good looking car. :thumbsup:

It is a low rise intake to fit under the Vette or camaro hood.

Nelson






OK, I'll bite...what is the difference??? :)

[QUOTE]I was cleaning my barn and found this.QUOTE]

One would think that if you parked something in a barn, even if it sat there for years. You might still notice you parked a car there. Unless he ended up with the barn and discovered it later. Personally, I think to many people use the barn reference to much these days anyways. Wish I had a barn with a car like that in it. All thats left now is to pull the car apart and find that buildsheet.

"I was cleaning my barn and found this"

I'm going to buld a barn and check inside every once in a while...hey, sooner or later I gonna find me a survivor muscle car in there ...

OK, I'll bite...what is the difference??? :)
Dave, I believe in 71 they changed the casting of those intakes and they now had the large numbers of 1,3,5,7 and 2,4,6,8 cast in their respective places on the intake.

It is a low rise intake to fit under the Vette or camaro hood.

Nelson

Yeah, I knew that :D

Apparently there is a difference between the '70 casting and the 71 Vette casting. I would think that since they only made 188 LS6 vettes the 71 casting would be a high dollar piece, unless this is the intake that got used on the early crate motors...

I don't see what people are so excited about here. How fast is that original LS6 interior? Obviously it's so valuable that this guy doesn't want to comprise it's integrity by looking for the build sheet. (Yeah right) And even if he found it, the friggin motor and trans is long gone anyway. Maybe there's a treasure map to another barn where you could find them. I would be more impressed with a real 3963512 4-bolt block with 291 heads in a Malibu with a 6cyl VIN.

What ever happened to the good 'ol days when you could clean out your barn and still find an LS6 with its original engine intact.:yes:

What difference does it make if it "had" an LS6? If the original equipment isn't there what difference does it make? It should be not more valuable than any other Super Sport with a non original big block. I just don't get the craze with everything that has something to do with an LS6.

But it is a good looking car. :thumbsup:


It's the same as any other SS with the original engine gone, it's still an SS. This is(?) still a factory built LS6 car. How many of these cars still have the original engine? Tell all the guys that own the $200K to $1M COPO cars without the original engines that all they have is a regular Chevelle or Camaro. The engine is not the only thing that makes a car what it is.
James

I cant assure it is a true LS6. But if it was the day it arrived at the dealer it will always be an LS6. Maybe an LS6 without a motor but it will still be an LS6.
If you could prove its true Identity it would be very valuable if it had a correct dated LS6 Engine. It wont be as collectible as a numbers matching LS6 but it would still be an LS6.
Does this mean that if you owned an LS6 and popped the motor in 1970 and the dealer replaced it under warrenty with the correct parts then its now a Malibu.
If you had the 4700 mile LS6 and removed the motor does this mean it will only be as valuable as a Malibu ??? If so I would buy it put a NOM LS6 in it and sell it and make 10s of thousands.
Ohh ya can I buy a Malibu and put an LS6 in it and get 100k.
This is like saying that a Corvette is a Camaro without the motor.
Humm maybe I should buy about 10 SS396 cars spend about another 15k ea. for 10- LS6 motors install them and sell them as LS6. I could retire in a year.
Unfourtunality too many people have did this. I would never buy any classic without proper documentation and owner history. This car appears to have all that. I wouldnt care about Nom or not as wrong as its a real documented car with era correct parts for it s breed than thats ok with me.
The beauty of this hobby is to preserve Chevelles as much as possible. These cars are History. If we trashed everyone of them just because the block isnt numbers matching we would have nothing to show the heritage of these cars.

WaxUm and JFKheat,well said.
As the owner of a NOM but documented LS6 car (buildsheet and still has the original CY TH400) I can really appreciate statements and observations like that.

Dave, I believe in 71 they changed the casting of those intakes and they now had the large numbers of 1,3,5,7 and 2,4,6,8 cast in their respective places on the intake.

They did indeed cast the cylinder numbers onto the manifold, just like the '71 LT-1 manifold, but it did not happen until June 1971.

Yeah, I knew that :D

Apparently there is a difference between the '70 casting and the 71 Vette casting. I would think that since they only made 188 LS6 vettes the 71 casting would be a high dollar piece, unless this is the intake that got used on the early crate motors...

None of the '71 LS6 Corvettes used the intake manifold with casted cylinder numbers on them.

They did indeed cast the cylinder numbers onto the manifold, just like the '71 LT-1 manifold, but it did not happen until June 1971.
Thanks for the info, you learn something new every day. I thought they started the numbers earlier than June.

It's the same as any other SS with the original engine gone, it's still an SS. This is(?) still a factory built LS6 car. How many of these cars still have the original engine? Tell all the guys that own the $200K to $1M COPO cars without the original engines that all they have is a regular Chevelle or Camaro. The engine is not the only thing that makes a car what it is.
James
well put:thumbsup:

Yes, good points on what a car is originally built as vs. what it is "left with" now. So, if everything checks out and it is legit; it depends on his reserve, how much to put in a correct LS6, and how much it would be worth after that (if planning to sell). I assume it is the original paint, and if so the body is pretty darn solid IMO. Pics aren't the best. Could leave body/interior unrestored original?? Its 25K now, I haven't seen too many LS6's in any condition in that range.

With no LS6 engine it's a "once was LS6"
Changing the motor has nothing to do with the body options.

those mice sure like eating the vin part of the build sheet on every LS6 car.... must be a delicacy for them

With no LS6 engine it's a "once was LS6"
Changing the motor has nothing to do with the body options.

I have to agree with you Dean. According to the posts by jfkheat and WAX-UM, all you'd have to do is pick up this LS6 for $25K, go find a date code correct LS6 motor for another $15K, finish up the resto, and then head on over to Barrett-Jackson and watch it go past the $200K mark.

If it were that simple, I think the bidding would reflect that. :yes:

Well, My car could have been an LS6 if the person who ordered it would have checked the right box. :D

LK

From what some of you are saying, if the original LS6 engine is gone the car is no longer a LS6 car. If I install a LS6 engine in a 70 Chevelle does that make it a real LS6 car? I have a real 4 bolt 512 cast 427 engine in my Beaumont. Does that make it a COPO?
James

From what some of you are saying, if the original LS6 engine is gone the car is no longer a LS6 car. If I install a LS6 engine in a 70 Chevelle does that make it a real LS6 car?
An actual REAL LS6 car -yes, an original LS6 car - no

I have a real 4 bolt 512 cast 427 engine in my Beaumont. Does that make it a COPO?
James

No, the last "O" means "order" and it wouldn't have been ordered that way.

An actual REAL LS6 car -yes, an original LS6 car - no


No, the last "O" means "order" and it wouldn't have been ordered that way.



That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. The car in this auction was originally ordered with a LS6 engine so no matter what engine it has now it will always be an original LS6 car.
James

If I only had the cash it would be in my shop. I bought this LS5 6 mths ago on Ebay. I am very happy with it. Look what mine went for Im sure an LS6 without motor could bring more. After getting mine The story has got alot better. I tracked down all the previous owners and have no doubt of its origin. Most evrything on it is Numbers match other than the tranny. I bought a 661 M-22 CC1 this week.
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That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. The car in this auction was originally ordered with a LS6 engine so no matter what engine it has now it will always be an original LS6 car.
James

Yes, it WAS an Ls6 car because it was ordered that way but no longer is because it's no longer there.
LS6 is the engine, not the car.

Like a Hemi Cuda without the Hemi, or a Shelby GT500 without the 428CJ. The best thing to do is track down a correct motor and finish the resto right. That's the only way to maximize it's value (and heritage) as an LS6.

Yes, it WAS an Ls6 car because it was ordered that way but no longer is because it's no longer there.
LS6 is the engine, not the car.


So using your line of thinking Dean...all the new owner has to do is find another LS-6 engine and everything will be alright? LOL :)

So using your line of thinking Dean...all the new owner has to do is find another LS-6 engine and everything will be alright? LOL :)

"everything" ?

It would then be AN LS6 car again but it will never be original again. LOL :)

How about it's a two owner 25k mi documented LS6 coupe with track records that were earned sacrificing the born in driveline.. like the other 80% of them built that suffered the same fate.I don't know this chap from Adam, but seeing how he has owned it since the Carter admin I think some need to cut the guy some slack,he has offered to put the buyer in contact with the original owner then you have complete owner history..which imo is fast becoming as or more important than documentation as the crooks refine their craft in that respect.Maybe he has some pics from the track back then,how cool would that be??. While you need to keep your eyes wide open with these that car looks very presentable-nice interior,trunk etc,and the guy is certainly not trying to hide anything imo.All moot as it didn't hit reserve but how many of these do you see with track records? It's not Ray Allens car but it isn't a million bucks and i don't think his sold with the original motor either..

I agree with you Mark...

It seem like people LOVE to argue semantics...


BTW Mark...did you get the "you know what"? :)