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: Newbie of Course... 64 question


mccarpat
May 9th, 07, 12:34 AM
Hi all. Let me start by saying thank you in advance to anyone who may be able to help me.

My father gave my a 64 Convertible when he decided to move away from the cold of Wisconsin to the sweat of Florida. He purchased it in 1988 and sat on it untill he gave it to me last year.

I really don't know jack about what I have. I don't know the correct terminology for anything either so have mercy on me...

VIN 45767K1748443 -- 64 SS Convertible 6 cyl.

My question has to do with the tag in the engine compartment. I believe you all call it a COWL Tag? Anyway it doesn't seem to match the VIN.

Style 64-5867 KC 3733 Body
Trim 741 9121 Paint
2MS

Style shows it should be a V8 but VIN says 6 cyl. Does this make sense to anyone?

Unfortunately the car is in storage 4 hours from me and I am not sure if I got all information from that tag.

DaleM
May 9th, 07, 1:18 AM
Hi all. Let me start by saying thank you in advance to anyone who may be able to help me.

My father gave my a 64 Convertible when he decided to move away from the cold of Wisconsin to the sweat of Florida. He purchased it in 1988 and sat on it untill he gave it to me last year.

I really don't know jack about what I have. I don't know the correct terminology for anything either so have mercy on me...

VIN 45767K1748443 -- 64 SS Convertible 6 cyl.

My question has to do with the tag in the engine compartment. I believe you all call it a COWL Tag? Anyway it doesn't seem to match the VIN.

Style 64-5867 KC 3733 Body
Trim 741 9121 Paint
2MS

Style shows it should be a V8 but VIN says 6 cyl. Does this make sense to anyone?

Unfortunately the car is in storage 4 hours from me and I am not sure if I got all information from that tag.

The Fisher Body plate, a.k.a. trim tag or cowl tag, style number doesn't always match the VIN. To Fisher Body, this is a style or trim level, not part of the VIN - that wasn't assigned until the body went from Fisher Body to the Chevrolet final assembly plant. More often than not the style number does coincide with the series/model of the VIN but as you can see in your case it does not. I have numerous examples of the two not matching. The VIN is the only legal and true identification of a vehicle and the series/model on the VIN indicates what the car was really born as.

BTW, you VIN has one too many numbers; there should only be 6 digits after the assembly plant code (K), maybe you tapped the '4' key twice by mistake. ?

In any event, not only will the body plate style occasionally not match but the body number has nothing to do with the VIN. The body number is a unit number assigned by Fisher Body, not Chevrolet. I can decode the rest of the information for you if you like.

Trim 741 - Med. Metallic Blue Imitation Leather (buckets)
9121 Paint - 912 is the paint color (Silver Blue) and the last '1' is the convertible top color, white.
2MS - some plants put codes on the body plate to indicate a change needed to install certain options and broke these down into 5 possible groups. If there would have been a letter before the '2' here, it would have been an option in the first group. Group 1 options were never preceded by the group letter. The '2' indicates options for the 2nd group; 'M' being the code that indicated the Powerglide transmission was going to be installed and the letter 'S' indicated a rear antenna was to be installed (hence the assembly line workers knew to look for a hole in the rear fender).

BTW, welcome to Team Chevelle!

mccarpat
May 9th, 07, 1:37 AM
So you're saying it is 64 Chevelle Malibu SS Convertible with a 6 cylinder?


Yes I did have a typo in the vin... my bad.

I appreciate your help! Thank you...

DaleM
May 9th, 07, 9:46 AM
So you're saying it is 64 Chevelle Malibu SS Convertible with a 6 cylinder?
Yes I did have a typo in the vin... my bad.

I appreciate your help! Thank you...

Indeed, the Malibu SS was available with a 6 cylinder as well as a V8 in both 64 and 65. ;)

LeoP
May 9th, 07, 7:48 PM
Mine had the 194 cuin 6 cylinder in it.

Bryan59EC
May 9th, 07, 8:27 PM
In the mid 70's my brother drove a 62 Impala SS, Bright red, console PG, bucket seats, Teeny Tiny six cylinder:sad: .
This was as it came from the factory. Cool car, if you were not in a hurry to get there. Slower than the second coming of---well you know.

Also--did you all know--the SS package was not limited to a 2-dr HT in 61, 62
(yea, I know this ain't a Impala forum). There are actually a few 61 4-dr sed with that package.

Bryan

zeke67
May 9th, 07, 9:03 PM
Enjoy your 64. Mine has the chrome "high horsepower" 6 cylinder. Remember that in 64, the GTO was the first and only mid-size muscle car so the high horsepower SS hadn't really come into play yet.

maniac1972
May 9th, 07, 11:14 PM
Ok I will say it.......You lucky bastard.....lol jk, very lucky to have been given a classic! Enjoy

Rich-L79
May 10th, 07, 11:51 AM
Remember that in 64, the GTO was the first and only mid-size muscle car so the high horsepower SS hadn't really come into play yet.

That's not entirely true. Olds first offered the 442 in '64 with a hi-po 331 and by the end of the model year the '64 Chevelle could be ordered with a 300hp 327 which was no slouch either.

mccarpat
May 10th, 07, 6:48 PM
Ok I will say it.......You lucky bastard.....lol jk, very lucky to have been given a classic! Enjoy


It would only be better if I could put the $$$ into it to actually enjoy it. The wife doesn't want it arround and would rather have a ski boat!

mccarpat
May 10th, 07, 6:50 PM
Oh yeah... how do I know what engine and trans should have been it?

LeoP
May 10th, 07, 6:58 PM
It would only be better if I could put the $$$ into it to actually enjoy it. The wife doesn't want it arround and would rather have a ski boat!


In that case, I'll come get it, my wife would rather have a 65 GTO, but the 64 Chevelle will do for now.. :D

elcamino
May 10th, 07, 7:00 PM
I guess they never envision the engine and trans would ever be gone so they never coded them anywhere for record. Only the original dealer invoice etc would show this.

All you can tell is V8 or L6 by the vin. Optional engines were not coded. GM first started coding engines in the VIN in 1972.

DaleM
May 10th, 07, 7:44 PM
Oh yeah... how do I know what engine and trans should have been it?
The base 6-cyl was the 194 cid/120hp but a 230 cid/155hp was optional, no way to tell if the optional 6-cyl was ordered. However, as noted in my earlier post, the "M" on the body plate indicates a Powerglide automatic transmission.

mccarpat
May 10th, 07, 8:26 PM
The base 6-cyl was the 194 cid/120hp but a 230 cid/155hp was optional, no way to tell if the optional 6-cyl was ordered. However, as noted in my earlier post, the "M" on the body plate indicates a Powerglide automatic transmission.

OK, here's the million dollar question... Does it as a "5" have any value?

mccarpat
May 10th, 07, 8:31 PM
OK, here's the million dollar question... Does it as a "5" have any value?

or should i say what is a good asking price for basically a solid body and "SS"

DaleM
May 10th, 07, 11:42 PM
"There is no such thing as absolute value in this world.
You can only estimate what a thing is worth to you."

Value is relative. If, IF, you're thinking of selling, check the market on eBay, Craigslist, or other online sellers and see what the market is bearing.