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wish I had 4-5 cases of these......could finance the resto on my SS!:D

Wow, alot of money for something that cost about 2.00 back in the days.

I want to bid $500.00:D

I used to stock these everyday while working in the automotive department at K-fart while I went to college.

If only I could go back and buy one a week.

I think I've got a couple of old filters on the shelf. I guess I'd better sell them!

That is just downright stupid
Not the listing but the bidding.

That is just downright stupid
Not the listing but the bidding.

I am curious Dean....why do you say that? This isn't consistent with previous observations I've noted in your post. I laughed at the guy that paid 1300.00 for a spare tire.......and I got shamed,put down, and "in my place" by you and Diamond Perfect Guy. This is no different.

as Diamond said "He (the buyer) earned his money and for a perfect concours car, he has a right to spend his money the way he wants"

Call old NAPA parts houses, ill bet they have stacks of old filters

That DO seem to be a Whole lot for a filter, but hey,m some people have more money than they know what to do with apparantly

I bought one of these filters a year ago for 250.00 from a private party and I think I got a great deal on it. They don't make these anymore and if you need it, YOU NEED IT! I wish I had shelves full of these also, but unfortunately I don't. This is why the cars that are done right command big money, and the cars that aren't as detailed bring less.

Call old NAPA parts houses, ill bet they have stacks of old filters

That DO seem to be a Whole lot for a filter, but hey,m some people have more money than they know what to do with apparantly
P.S. I'll bet they don't have stacks of them!

I am curious Dean....why do you say that? This isn't consistent with previous observations I've noted in your post. I laughed at the guy that paid 1300.00 for a spare tire.......and I got shamed,put down, and "in my place" by you and Diamond Perfect Guy. This is no different.

as Diamond said "He (the buyer) earned his money and for a perfect concours car, he has a right to spend his money the way he wants"

Well I know you do post an awfull lot of nonsence but if you interpreted something I said as me "shaming, putting you down, and in your place" it sure wasn't meant to be interpreted like that.
show me a link to it.

A paper air cleaner is an expendable - throw away item but sure anyone has the right to be stupid with their money.
I assume the absurd high price was the reason for this post and I do have the right to my opinion too even though other people may not agree.

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You say you want to bid $500.00 well why didn't you?

Oh, I think maybe you're talking about the time I made a comment about this site evolving into a bunch of members setting around making fun of other people's cars because they aren't as nice as ours.

I bought one of these filters a year ago for 250.00 from a private party and I think I got a great deal on it. They don't make these anymore and if you need it, YOU NEED IT! I wish I had shelves full of these also, but unfortunately I don't. This is why the cars that are done right command big money, and the cars that aren't as detailed bring less.

When is it that important to have an actual correct stamped filter? Trailer queen?

Yep, If I had a 1000 point, Diamond certified, National magazine centerfold Chevelle that the only milage it saw was on and off a trailer ramp I'd have no hesitation paying for what It needed to be 101% correct.

And none of you would either if you were at that kind of level in this hobby.

More power to em for having a car that deserves it.

ESPECIALLY if they built it!

When is it that important to have an actual correct stamped filter? Trailer queen?


Yep, If I had a 1000 point, Diamond certified, National magazine centerfold Chevelle that the only milage it saw was on and off a trailer ramp I'd have no hesitation paying for what It needed to be 101% correct.

And none of you would either if you were at that kind of level in this hobby.

Well said, as above.. That is when it is THAT IMPORTANT! My car has the correct Air Filter among many many other anal details.. It's all personal preference how we restore our cars and to what level and how much we spend to do so...

FWIW.. Paragon Corvette sells the CORRECT Filter.. not GU or anyone else.. $35.00

Mike Crown

I have 25 gallons of 1970 Sunoco 260 Premium Gas for sale
lets start the bidding at 1000 a gallon


:)





Kidding Guys
Lighten up !

These filters are primarily used for open element air cleaners. Many guys put these on the car, just for car shows, and have a cheaper repro, for driving the car, and any time the car is not being shown. So the cost, although fairly high, is justified by the fact that it will last for years, if it's kept in a box and only brought out for shows.

These filters are primarily used for open element air cleaners. Many guys put these on the car, just for car shows, and have a cheaper repro, for driving the car, and any time the car is not being shown. So the cost, although fairly high, is justified by the fact that it will last for years, if it's kept in a box and only brought out for shows.

Well I guess that does make sense.
Never having been in the position of being able to afford having a car too nice to drive, I was thinking paying that much for something that you are going to throw in the trash. :o

I have 25 gallons of 1970 Sunoco 260 Premium Gas for sale
lets start the bidding at 1000 a gallon


Hope you put some Sta-Bil in it! :D

What a commercial that whould make!

"CHEVELLE OWNER PRESERVES VALUABLE 37 YEAR OLD FUEL!":eek:

Sorry, couldn't resist. THIS PLACE IS JUST TOO MUCH FUN!!!!!!!!:D

Yep, If I had a 1000 point, Diamond certified, National magazine centerfold Chevelle that the only milage it saw was on and off a trailer ramp I'd have no hesitation paying for what It needed to be 101% correct.

And none of you would either if you were at that kind of level in this hobby.

More power to em for having a car that deserves it.

ESPECIALLY if they built it!

Yep, If I had a 1000 point, Diamond certified, National magazine centerfold Chevelle that the only milage it saw was on and off a trailer ramp I'd have no hesitation paying for what It needed to be 101% correct.

And none of you would either if you were at that kind of level in this hobby.

Well said, as above.. That is when it is THAT IMPORTANT! My car has the correct Air Filter among many many other anal details.. It's all personal preference how we restore our cars and to what level and how much we spend to do so...

To each his own, but it seems those of us that actually drive and enjoy our Chevelles (and not let them sit on a trailer) can't fathom spending that kind of coin on an air filter....to us it's money better spent on beer or smokes or real go fast stuff....afterall cars ain't no fun if you don't drive them....

From now on we should not post the ridiculous prices on ebay auctions, because chances are someone from this board building a trailer queen will get offended.

I have 25 gallons of 1970 Sunoco 260 Premium Gas for sale
lets start the bidding at 1000 a gallon


Hey I happen to have an NOS front nose header panel for a 1975-1978 Ford LTD, too bad LTD's aren't hot cars to build.....:(

afterall cars ain't no fun if you don't drive them....



That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.. Maybe some day if you have a car worthy of being shown to the highest standards, you will see that much enjoyment comes out of that also..you don't have to agree with what those of us who don't drive em or smoke or drink do.. but show us the same RESPECT that you want, for how you get Your Enjoyment out of your car.

It doesn't have to be an US vs, Them attitude everytime this tired subject comes up...

and as far as Offending.. Dam right I get offended when someone questions how I get my own personal enjoyment .. just as you would be offended if I told you that smoking and drinkin is a sad way to get enjoyment and spend money.

nuff said.. it's all good :thumbsup:

I dont smoke and seldom drink so i can have lots of $$ left over for Chevelle parts. :hurray:

These filters are primarily used for open element air cleaners. Many guys put these on the car, just for car shows, and have a cheaper repro, for driving the car, and any time the car is not being shown. So the cost, although fairly high, is justified by the fact that it will last for years, if it's kept in a box and only brought out for shows.

My question is.....do the judges actually look to see if you have the correct air filter on there? Or is it "just to look original" when they come around?

but show us the same RESPECT that you want, for how you get Your Enjoyment out of your car.

It doesn't have to be an US vs, Them attitude everytime this tired subject comes up...

nuff said.. it's all good :thumbsup:
I know many folks who have "trailer queens" and not one of them looks down upon or berates those who (like me) prefer to drive their cars.:noway: These folks also seem to enjoy their cars as much as I enjoy mine. :yes:
Each side of this issue seems to have preconcieved notions of how the other thinks, and for the most part, these notions are wrong. :confused:

Concerning the air filter in this post, I may eventually own one of them myself. As you restore a car, you will reach a point where there's not much left on it that's needed, so then you save and buy those parts. :)
Since I quit smoking and don't drink very much, I have more $$ available to buy NOS parts for my Chevelle. :p
BTW, the last one of these filters I saw sold for $585.89 on Feb 10th.
BillL

My question is.....do the judges actually look to see if you have the correct air filter on there? Or is it "just to look original" when they come around?
Most "judges" don't know which is the correct air cleaner element on every car. I would do it because it's correct, and thats what I'm going for. If you're into aftermarket parts and don't care about originality, stick with the modified classes. Thats what they're for. Nothing wrong with that. Thats why most car shows have different classes.

We've all heard the arguments about trailer queens vs driven cars, and quite frankly, it's been discussed to death. We all know some drive them and some trailer them. End of story!:boring:

Does gm still sell this filter?I have a couple left from a case that I bought almost 20 years ago but they are like a diamond shaped mesh -everthing else looks the same-not square mesh though

mesh style depends on MODEL YEAR

To each his own, but it seems those of us that actually drive and enjoy our Chevelles (and not let them sit on a trailer) can't fathom spending that kind of coin on an air filter, afterall cars ain't no fun if you don't drive them....

From now on we should not post the ridiculous prices on ebay auctions, because chances are someone from this board building a trailer queen will get offended.


Since you quoted me I'll respond, but I wasn't then, and still aren't now, offended in any way.

But, this may help explain how I feel about the topic, maybe you'll understand, maybe you won't.

The only guy I really know on close personal level who actually owns a "trailer queen" is a very Good freind of mine who has a taste for 1961-1964 Fords.

The big 427 Dual 4 Galaxies (which I often joked about as being "Mayberry mobiles" when I first met him, until one of those 550 HP beasts handed my Ass to me in my 69 SS Chevelle one day"

This guy has no less than (5) cars in his stable and usually restores and trades (2) for as many as (7) total in his collection.

He's 62 Years old and does all his own restoration. he scrounges all his NOS parts the hard way through Hemmings and all Ford swap meets because he dosen't own a computer and has no desire to.

He owns a pretty black 63 Galaxie 427 Dual 4 convertible (The one that embarrased me)

A 61 Starliner Convertible.

A 61 Starliner Coupe.

And a 63 wicked HP Super Stock Clone.

He drives these cars to every local cruise-in, every local show and every other show within a 5 hour radias. Every day he's in the garage wrenching. Builds his own motors, tears his cars off the frame, you name it.

Then there's his trailer queens.

A 1964 Factory Lightweight 427. One of (50) factory prepped race cars and one of (25) 4-speeds. his car is all original with less tan 3200 miles on it. (all 1/4 mile at a time with nostalgic photos at the strip to prove it)

This car is a legend, a piece of automotive history and you could probably trade it straight-up for a pretty nice $250K single family home.

Needless to say, this piece of history dosen't get cruised up to Frisches in hopes of winning a door prize, but competes on a National Level.

He also owns a rare 63 Galaxie, 427 High Rise Dual four stick car that he restored from the ground-up. Every nut and bolt correct that will soon be featured in Muscle car review. This is also an example of a highly desirable 1000 pointer that dosen't get the odometer ticking.

So, is this a guy who you would look down on because he trailers a couple of his cars?

Is this guy an idiot because he pays crazy money at swap meets for his NOS oil filter for his 3200 mile Factory prepped Lightweight?

No... This is a guy who you can't scoff at much at all. This is a guy who lives, loves, drives and builds his passion and has done it all his life.

A lifelong collector and builder who actually lived through the muscle car era and still drives the same cars he fell in love with at 17.

If there's a true car guy out there, this is it.

This isn't a guy who buys his cars, he builds them.

This is also a guy who spends $250 for his NOS oil filter if needs it because nothing else is acceptable.

He's also the guy who trailers his 250K investement because he'd be an idiot if he didn't.

There's different levels and understandings of this hobby.

You can't automatically scoff at a car on a trailer, or the idiot on ebay paying $250 for an oil flter without knowing who or what your scoffing at.

I think you pretty much summed it up, that you have to be no **** hell bent up the ass and back out on keeping a certain car numbers matching in order to even consider dropping $250 for a simple $5 filter.

The only way I might begin to consider dropping that kind of coin for such a small item is if I were building a highly detailed trailer queen and wanted to duplicate exactly the way it was when it left the dealer's lot.

Otherwise to me the cost isn't justifiable. I'll take a typical over the counter AC Delco filter that's still under $10.

Nothing wrong with a trailer queen if that's your cup of tea. I don't look down on trailer queen owners....if anything they probably look down on me for not freaking out when a spec of dust falls on my car.

But for me, any car I own gets taken out and gets driven, not just let sit around and look purty.

Yes I have a trailer Queen, Its a SS 454 -M-22 El Camino that I ordered in Feb, 1970. It has a load of options, It even has the correct 8 lock bolts on the exhaust manifolds. And a correct LS-5 Pressure plate & disc. also a remote D.S. Mirror (this mirror Elky Only, will not fit a Vell door shapes are different)
Yes I have a driver!! Its a SS 454 Sta. Wgn.
it has a Caddy Rad. 83-454 truck block--71 Cyl. Hds. Camaro-700R4--69 Chevelle 12 Bolt--Olds Bucket seats--El Camino front clip--
Where do I fit in with these two!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob ACES--AACA

Dawg,

I'll agree with you that most cars should be driven and most out there don't come close to deserving that $250 oil filter. In fact in most cases it would be silly to do so.

But some of those rare thouroughbred examples absolutely do deserve that $250 filter and some even deserve the respect not to be driven.

Like the 3200 Mile Factory Lightweight 427 Galaxie or the 6400 mile LS6.

Those are a breed apart.

Well said 69396SS- The car I just finished has been labled "TRAILER QUEEN" by a few of my friends. I always wanted to do a frame off nut and bolt job and finally found the right specimen and did it. The only thing is I am going to selectively drive it!!! I have correct oil filters that I spent some money on for show only. I really wanted this air filter- all I can say is the guy with the high bid, I am making him PAY for it!!! Norman:yes:

Sorry, didn't mean to start the ol' "trailer queen" debate again.

I really love seeing cars like Mike's and Bill's and I guess I'm just a little envious that I can't afford one like that as I suspect a lot of other people probably are also, hence probably the reason for some of the almost derogatory comments from time to time.

With so many people modifying and cutting up these cars nowdays or even making hot rods or pro turing cars out of them, I'm sure thankfull there are people keeping some of them in pristine original condition for the future.

I really love seeing cars like Mike's and Bill's and I guess I'm just a little envious that I can't afford one like that as I suspect a lot of other people probably are also, hence probably the reason for some of the almost derogatory comments from time to time.



Actually Dean, I have a lot less money invested in my 68 than some would think. I never really added it up, but including the $17,000 I paid for the car, I bet I have a total of $25,000 invested total. A LOT of this depends on how much of the resto work you have to pay someone to do. Since I was a kid, I always did all my own work. I wrecked my Vette when I was 18, and spent 6 months putting it all back together, including painting it in my parents driveway. I even spent 3 yrs building my house, when I was 23 years old.

Same thing with my 68. The only things I didn't do myself was the machine work on the block/heads ,front seat covers, and the vinyl roof. My point is, it doesn't always take a whole lot of cash to put a trailer queen together, if you're determined and refuse to cut corners. I also started with a complete numbers matching survivor, and had to search very little for correct numbered parts. I'm not in a position to spend a boat load of cash on a toy, like most guys with a family/house etc to run, so the only way I could put a trailer queen together, was to do it all myself. :beers:

You sure do nice work, it's beautiful !
:thumbsup:

You sure do nice work, it's beautiful !
:thumbsup:

Thanks Dean, and for what it's worth, it has a $5.00 air cleaner on it :yes:

I'll say it again... $35.00 Correct Mesh Filter .. Paragon Corvette!! :)

Myself I think all these cars have a place. Think about it what if there were no trailer queens then we would not get to see these work of arts in there splendor. Also if we did not have the drivers we would not get to see the tire melting machines in action. I have a passion for muscle cars and I always have. Some people want the best for there baby and that is great. They worked for there money so I think they should be able to spend it as they like and it is not for me to judge. I know that I have over spent on some items that I wanted and bought them. Anyway it’s fun to see them all.


Nelson

How can a judge tell if the said air filters in question here are actually AC Delco originals if they are sitting on an engine, between the top and bottom halves of the open air cleaner element anyways? Its not like the AC part number is visible on the filter portion, I only see it on the rubber sealing surface.

I may be wrong about that. Perhaps they are easily distinguishable from aftermarket filters (wire mesh completely different pattern).:confused:

How would you know what kind of filter it is unless you took it off the engine and looked at the rubber seal?

Chris

I don't know that it's so much if the judge can tell if it's an original filter from 1970 or not...

I think it's more along the lines of how the owner himself knows he has the next best thing to a time capsule from the past, because every part he uses was an actual part available from 1970....

At least that's my thoughts....

Chris

I don't know that it's so much if the judge can tell if it's an original filter from 1970 or not...

I think it's more along the lines of how the owner himself knows he has the next best thing to a time capsule from the past, because every part he uses was an actual part available from 1970....

At least that's my thoughts....
Well said Dawg, when doing a nut and bolt rottiserie resto every little thing counts and it can become quite anal sometimes. Every little clamp, wire, hose etc. becomes important. The pieces that aren't readily available become even more important and expensive. It's just the nature of the business when you and 5 other guys need the same item.

How can a judge tell if the said air filters in question here are actually AC Delco originals if they are sitting on an engine, between the top and bottom halves of the open air cleaner element anyways? Its not like the AC part number is visible on the filter portion, I only see it on the rubber sealing surface.

I may be wrong about that. Perhaps they are easily distinguishable from aftermarket filters (wire mesh completely different pattern).:confused:

How would you know what kind of filter it is unless you took it off the engine and looked at the rubber seal?

Chris

I will answer your questions as best I can from a Judge standpoint.

First, when looking at an Open Element sitting on a 66 or 67 SS, I can tell by the MESH design whether it is correct or not... but more easily, Yes.. if I needed to, and the reason for this would be only in a very tight scoring situation or if I was determining the if said car had the Correct Carb. on it, I would ask the owner to remove his air cleaner.. and then Yes, it is very clearly says it is a AC DELCO and will have the Part # on it, as you can see in the original ebay photo above and as you mentioned also.

Again, these are items that a Judge would only need to look at in a High Point Scoring situation, or if a Chevelle was going through the Diamond Certification system via Jeff Dottiere. More importantly, as has been said, it is more for the owner's own self satisfaction..I guarantee nobody knows that I have NOS AC Delco paper oil filter element in my Canister Oil Filter.. but I like knowing that I do.. it's a rush.

The 66 and 67 SS gets the Square Mesh and I believe the later years got Diamond Mesh.

hello, all you guys are right! just enjoy what you have and dont all gang up on the guys at car shows with comments on some guys car degrading it how wrong it may be! i, see it going on all the time! maybe thats all most of us can afford! JUST ENJOY LIFE AND YOUR CARS! have a great day!

No reason to scoff at those willing to pay what they feel the part is worth to them. To some, money is no object.

I love seeing the "trailer queens" myself, but I think some would be surprised just how often these cars may be driven. I have a friend in the First Gen Monte Carlo Club who, up until recently, had a rare '71 Monte Carlo 402 4-spd that was 1 of 269. Point is, he did as fine a nut & bolt restoration as you'll see and was even featured in Hemmings Muscle Machines. He drove that car as often as he liked -- he'd just spend 2 hours cleaning the car after he got home.

For me, I have a nice "driver". That's just my preference based on time and income. If I had more cash, I'd probably have a trailer queen as well because I love a sharp #1 condition car and I can respect the amount of time and effort went into the car.

Chris

I don't know that it's so much if the judge can tell if it's an original filter from 1970 or not...

I think it's more along the lines of how the owner himself knows he has the next best thing to a time capsule from the past, because every part he uses was an actual part available from 1970....

At least that's my thoughts....

Chris

I will answer your questions as best I can from a Judge standpoint.

First, when looking at an Open Element sitting on a 66 or 67 SS, I can tell by the MESH design whether it is correct or not... but more easily, Yes.. if I needed to, and the reason for this would be only in a very tight scoring situation or if I was determining the if said car had the Correct Carb. on it, I would ask the owner to remove his air cleaner.. and then Yes, it is very clearly says it is a AC DELCO and will have the Part # on it, as you can see in the original ebay photo above and as you mentioned also.

Again, these are items that a Judge would only need to look at in a High Point Scoring situation, or if a Chevelle was going through the Diamond Certification system via Jeff Dottiere. More importantly, as has been said, it is more for the owner's own self satisfaction..I guarantee nobody knows that I have NOS AC Delco paper oil filter element in my Canister Oil Filter.. but I like knowing that I do.. it's a rush.

The 66 and 67 SS gets the Square Mesh and I believe the later years got Diamond Mesh.

Makes sense to me then.