Any carbureted engines for that matter. I could see in the future where a blend of gas and ethanol may be the only pump gas available. E10 (10 % ethanol, 90 % gasoline), E20, who knows. And E85 of course. I see where some legislators are already jumping on the ethanol bandwagon and trying to get laws passed requiring a minimum blend in their state. So IMO we might as well face the fact that sometime in the future we very well might have to figure out how to get our carbed street engines to run best on an ethanol blend. We all know ethanol produces less energy than gasoline by volume so mixtures ideally should be richened accordingly. I'm guessing E10 or E20 wouldn't be too much of a problem with rejetting and even E85 would probably be doable since Holley makes Alcohol calibrated carbs (race only at this point). The big question in my mind is at what percentage do you have to replace fuel system parts to withstand the corrosive effects of ethanol? I believe it attacks aluminum, rubber, and possibly other materials. Could we have to replace fuel tanks, non-stainless fuel lines, fuel pumps, rubber lines, carb gaskets, etc., to be able to use E20? Or at E50? Or ???

Newer cars that are FI run a poly supply and return line. I do see that you can run high compression with E85 to make the most power. Set up right you could make huge power and spend less to fill but fill more often.

I can't get anything but E10 near where I live. Is this a problem to run in my new (to me) bone stock '67 300?

E 10 shouldn't be a problem Once you go much beyond that you have to address fuel mixture and fuel system compatibility with ethanol.We only have 3 stations in KC or I would allready be building something to take advantage of it. For a hot rod street engine I think it has a lot of advantages.

E10 or higher may have higher octane than 100% gasoline but at the same price per gallon as 100% gas will end up costing more because fuel mileage isn't as good due to less BTU per gallon content. Potential for more power with higher compression ratio is there though.

E10 will give you right at 3 to 4 percent less gas mileage than regular unleaded! And E85 like 23 percent less unless you can dedicate your CR to about 13.5 to 1 to take advantage of it's great octane that is like 105 or so!!

That and it has a 1 pound RVP waiver b/c the stuff evaporates at a higher rate than regular unleaded gasoline unless it is blended in a 7.0 pound or lower RVP base so it AIN'T helping SMOG at all here so go figure...

All this said, here in the midwest, it has been recently said that IA's WHOLE corn crop can't keep up w/ Ethanol production and they announced yesterday in the news that milk is taking a 9 percent jump in price b/c of cattle feed costs increasing due to Ethanol production.

Any way you look at it, it's only going to be three groups of people doing any good off Ethanol and they are!!!!!!!!!!

Farmers!!

Ethanol Producers that make the stuff!! AND OUR f--

POLI'S!!

This is one cash cow that is no more than a MASSIVE money transfer!! Why else would there be a 50 cents/gallon subsidy on it as well as a 54 cent tariff on 30 percent CHEAPER Brazilian Ethanol!!

Go f-- figure!!

And we are quite a ways off from making the crap out of cellulose!!!

pdq67

PS., and the EPA dropped their federal MANDATE for it's use in gasoline, BUT the state's illegally are mandating it's use!! I say illegally b/c the fed fuel reg's rule here until the state's are taken to COURT and taken to task and made to STOP!!!

Except in NONATTAINMENT AREAS!!! And for that matter KCMO wasn't allowed to opt into the RFG program years ago so you see what I mean!

Money talks and bullsh-t walks!!

Yep I agree. It's just going to be a big political windfall "look at me, I'm weaning us off foriegn oil while helping the US economy". Until it's made en mass from cellulosic materials such as weeds, grass clippings, and other waste, it's not going to pay off for the average Joe IMO. Maybe they can figure a way to produce ethanol directly from bullsh-t. Wouldn't that be ironic?

There's a lot of truth to that, but if they can figure out how to make it in much greater quantities from switch grass etc. I think it has a chance to replace quite a lot of gasoline.Who knows what the future of oil is ? I don't believe anything they say anymore. I do know I'm getting sick of them raising gas 75 cents a gallon or more every spring and then giving us their endless supply of bull@$%# excuses.

Maybe if everyone in the country that has a good piece of soil (front/back yards would work) started groing a crop (corn or other) that will yield good amounts of ethanol, we might keep up with demand a little better.

And if not, people would learn the skill of growing their own food!

The funny part is the Libs put a .50 tax on Brazilian suger cane. That would produce more ethanol then same amount of corn. As was stated we pay .54 on a gallon subsidy on ethanol now. Mexico is screaming about all the corn going to Ethanol and all the Mexicans are going to die of hunger. Hey that would be one way to stop the influx.

FYI ethanol is no-where near as corrosive as methanol, for those that were concerned about the fuel system when having to use this stuff.

Coming from a pseudo-Mexican, I hope the hunger will turn the people against the crooked ass government that has been screwing them over for so many years. I think that revolutionary seeds are being planted in Mexico as we speak, I just hope the US has what it takes to let the revolution happen instead of snuffing it out. So I agree with taking the corn away in hopes that hungry bellies will turn on their masters.

Unfortunately, unless something changes, we'll just get more hungry Mexicans running for the U.S., just like my parents did decades ago. It is easier for them to run than to fight, especially since guns are illegal in Mexico.

Try here for a good read!!

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Funny thing is that the Coal Council is backing up what they say..

Here..

http://nationalcoalcouncil.org/informat.htm

Coal: America's Energy Future Volume 1 - March 2006, and

Coal: America's Energy Future Volume 2 - March 2006

NOW don't get me wrong here b/c I'm all for this working IF it is ECONOMICALLY VIABLE!!! Not just a MASSIVE MONEY TRANSFER which it appears to be!!

pdq67

That is the most depressing thing I have read in my life.

I hope I'm gone when it finally costs us so much money to continue to live like we do NOW that we won't be able to afford to!!

Sure, there will always be rich and powerful that will carry on unless the down-trodden masses take theirs from them and it happened in Russia as well as China and other places so can very well happen here.

I figure that is why we are damn near a Police State w/ ex-military for Police now b/c the rich know they can be attacked by the masses b/c they can't keep on keeping on!!!!!! In other words, too darn poor to even live right......

You don't think there will be hell ta pay as the ones in the cities come out to the countryside b/c they won't have anything to eat except each other!!

I really worry about our two lovely little Grandbaby girls is who I worry about nowadays!!! As their standard of living slips down hill.......

pdq67

Only on TC could a thread in performance about running E10 in a guys carbed motor could it turn into a political debate. *sigh*

There are better crops than corn for producing ethanol (switchgrass, cane, beets, etc.) and are more efficient.

I would much rather funnel my money to the American farmer than to some foreign national; at least the American farmer isn't trying to crash airplanes into our buildings.

I would rather pay ransom on corn and have cheap methanol than pay ransom on gas and have cheap corn. That way we're not funding terrorism.

I'd be all for ethanol produced from corn if it actually reduced our dependence on foreign oil. Unfortunately by the time you fuel the tractors & harvesters, distill the stuff and transport it all around the country you end up using about the same amount f foreign oil as if you just made gasoline of the oil in the first place!

Ethanol from sugarcane makes much more sense (it's about 6 times as efficient in producing ethanol), but sugarcane doesn't really grow well here.