First, let me say I have nothing against Beaumonts. They're almost like a customized Chevelle and I love customized Chevelles. :yes:

Just an open question to stimulate conversation ---

Why are Beaumonts so welcomed in the Chevelle community when Monte Carlos are not?

Beaumonts have Chevelle drive lines for the most part but Pontiac almost everything else. Pontiac interior, sold through Pontiac dealers, modified Pontiac emblems, and series starting with 73xxx.

Monte Carlos have Chevelle drive lines for the most part, Chevelle-style interiors, Chevrolet emblems, sold by Chevrolet dealers, and series starting with 13xxx - same as Chevelles. The Monte Carlo even shared in the VIN sequencing numbering with the Chevelle.

Technically the Monte Carlo is a different car than the Chevelle, a 'personal luxury' car if you will, but the Beaumont is even more different than the Chevelle.

Thoughts? Be kind now. :yes:

Beaumonts have Chevelle drive lines for the most part but Pontiac almost everything else.

Actually other than the grill, taillights, and Tempest dash, my '67 Beaumont is pretty much identical to the Chevelle. Same frame, suspension, body parts, bumpers, most of the chrome, door panels, etc.

i think Chevelle owners accept the Beaumont because it's a Chevelle with different trim.
they don't like the Monte Carlo because it is longer than their car, and it makes them feel inferior..

Actually other than the grill, taillights, and Tempest dash, my '67 Beaumont is pretty much identical to the Chevelle. Same frame, suspension, body parts, bumpers, most of the chrome, door panels, etc.



What he said. All the major body panels will work on the Chevelle and Beaumont. The same cannot be said for the Monte Carlo and Chevelle.
James

Here is a link to one of the Beaumont sites with a little history on the Beaumonts for those that are inserested.
http://www.classiccanadianbeaumonts.com/beaumont.htm

Sorry but you've got it backwards

The Chevelle looks like the Beaumont, just not as nice ;)

i think Chevelle owners accept the Beaumont because it's a Chevelle with different trim.
they don't like the Monte Carlo because it is longer than their car, and it makes them feel inferior..
LMAO...(ARNOLD VOICE..'THAT WAS A GOOD ONE')

I'm not a big fan of the early Monte's, but I think they should be welcomed as part of the "chevelle" family as well if we're going to include Beaumonts and GMC Sprints.

What "Most" everyone has stated, the Beaumont is basically a Chevelle.
The Monte is a completely different car.

Kind of like comparing the Chevelle to dare I say...a Fo*d.

Monte's are cool, but they are no Chevelle (Beaumont).

Like the El Camino and the Sprint, same car different name, now no one campares the El Camino with a C10

Just my 02

i think Chevelle owners accept the Beaumont because it's a Chevelle with different trim.
they don't like the Monte Carlo because it is longer than their car, and it makes them feel inferior..

If I would have said that, I would have gotten another PM smacking me on the wrist.

That is funny though.

Sorry but you've got it backwards

The Chevelle looks like the Beaumont, just not as nice ;)

Good one. :) Just kiddin' guys. I was actually looking for a Chevelle when I came across the Beaumont, and am stiil on the lookout for a '67 El Camino.
Here's a pic of my car...

http://xsorbit29.com/users5/jaspra/index.php?topic=364.0

P.S. Love this site

Good one. :) Just kiddin' guys. I was actually looking for a Chevelle when I came across the Beaumont, and am stiil on the lookout for a '67 El Camino.
Here's a pic of my car...

http://xsorbit29.com/users5/jaspra/index.php?topic=364.0

P.S. Love this site


That is one sweet Beaumont you got there!!!!!

I think it's because Monte's look more like a big boat but they do make good parts cars. :D

Good one. :) Just kiddin' guys. I was actually looking for a Chevelle when I came across the Beaumont, and am stiil on the lookout for a '67 El Camino.
Here's a pic of my car...

http://xsorbit29.com/users5/jaspra/index.php?topic=364.0

P.S. Love this site


That's one sharp looking Beaumont. Like you, I was looking for a Chevelle when I found my Beaumont. Here are a couple pictures.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/460059

James

I think it's because Monte's look more like a big boat but they do make good parts cars. :D

OUCH!! That hurts!:)

to further this why are 59-60 El Camino's not welcome?

to further this why are 59-60 El Camino's not welcome?

They're not?

Thats news to me:noway:

to further this why are 59-60 El Camino's not welcome?

Where?

Never seen one at Nashville since they're not of the 64-72 'classic' era and they are full size cars. Getting hard to find as well though.;)

to further this why are 59-60 El Camino's not welcome?
not much parts interchange with an A body Chevelle.
those old Elco's are just Impalas with pickup beds.

Where?

Nashville or Niagara. I can not speek for any of the other regionals as I have never gone to any of them (yet).

Although we do allow 73 and newer Chevelles and El Camino's up here.

Also where would an Acadian Beaumont fall into all this?

I believe 70-72 Montes should be part of the Chevelle family. Its a long wheelbase Chevelle, Like a GMC truck. AKA Sprint. Will any Monte parts fit a Vell. Will any date coded parts from a Monte work on a Vell? Will any date coded parts from a Chevelle work on a Monte Carlo? The Monte is a "G" body a longer frame than an "A" Body and Chevrolet states " Making most, If not all mechanical components interchangeable with those for the Chevelle" DAA!!!! No I do not have a Monte Carlo. I wish I did. I have a 70 SS 454 M-22 Camino and a 70- SS 454 Wagon That Chevrolet NEVER built.
The wagon is welcome to a CHEVELLE show, So should the Monte Carlo. What is the line about " Walks like a duck, Talks like " You get my thoughts! ---------We get to soon old and to late smart.

P.S. Look at the emblem in the grill of a 70 El Camino or 70 "A" Body wagon
It does not say CHEVELLE it says CHEVEROLET. All 70 El Caminos and "A" body wagons are NOT Chevelles, They are Malibu,s.
Trivia- The ONLY piece of SHEETMETAL that is the same on a 1970- SS 396-454 Chevelle and a 1970 SS 396-454 El Camino and "A" body wagon. If you said HOOD you are correct. Time to go and work on my Malibu (Chevrolet) 454 truck. C-YA Bob ACES--AACA--ncoa

Good one. :) Just kiddin' guys. I was actually looking for a Chevelle when I came across the Beaumont, and am stiil on the lookout for a '67 El Camino.
Here's a pic of my car...

http://xsorbit29.com/users5/jaspra/index.php?topic=364.0

P.S. Love this site

Have to comment on your own car? :p

The 70-72 Monte Carlo is an "A" body, not a G-body. The Assembly Manual from GM/Chevy/Fisher inclued the MC and the El Camino under Chevelle/A-body.

And Chevy A-body Wagons and El Caminos are NOT necessarily Malibus. Not all of them came with Malibu trim and I think only the '68 was available with Malibu emblems? I know I've seen both wagons and el caminos that didn't have Malibu interiors, etc.

And even so all Malibus (64-72) ARE Chevelles. Not all Chevelles are Malibus but all 64-72 Malibus are Chevelles. Malibu is just a trim option on the Chevelle platform just like a 300 or 300 deluxe trim option. And yes some of the 1970 SS454 LS6 cars came with Malibu emblems on the interior door panels and they too are Chevelles.

I believe 70-72 Montes should be part of the Chevelle family. Its a long wheelbase Chevelle, Like a GMC truck. AKA Sprint. Will any Monte parts fit a Vell. Will any date coded parts from a Monte work on a Vell? Will any date coded parts from a Chevelle work on a Monte Carlo? The Monte is a "G" body a longer frame than an "A" Body and Chevrolet states " Making most, If not all mechanical components interchangeable with those for the Chevelle" DAA!!!! No I do not have a Monte Carlo. I wish I did. I have a 70 SS 454 M-22 Camino and a 70- SS 454 Wagon That Chevrolet NEVER built.
The wagon is welcome to a CHEVELLE show, So should the Monte Carlo. What is the line about " Walks like a duck, Talks like " You get my thoughts! ---------We get to soon old and to late smart.

P.S. Look at the emblem in the grill of a 70 El Camino or 70 "A" Body wagon
It does not say CHEVELLE it says CHEVEROLET. All 70 El Caminos and "A" body wagons are NOT Chevelles, They are Malibu,s.
Trivia- The ONLY piece of SHEETMETAL that is the same on a 1970- SS 396-454 Chevelle and a 1970 SS 396-454 El Camino and "A" body wagon. If you said HOOD you are correct. Time to go and work on my Malibu (Chevrolet) 454 truck. C-YA Bob ACES--AACA--ncoa

If the hood is the same wouldn't the fenders have to be too?

Why are Beaumonts so welcomed in the Chevelle community when Monte Carlos are not?
They're not??

I love the early Monte's. My Wife has a nice 51K mile 72. Pics can be seen on my website.

Kinda nice that they aren't as popular, since it makes them cheaper to buy!!

If the hood is the same wouldn't the fenders have to be too?No, 70-72 camino/wagon fenders fit the body lines of a '68-69 chevelle, which wagons and caminos didn't change... all other chevelles got the bulgy fenders from 70-72.

Hmmm, wonder what a 68-69 Chevelle would look like with a front end from a 70-72 El Camino/Wagon. :wacko:

The 70-72 Monte Carlo is an "A" body, not a G-body. The Assembly Manual from GM/Chevy/Fisher inclued the MC and the El Camino under Chevelle/A-body.


:noway: Monte's are G bodies not A, but they are similar

to further this why are 59-60 El Camino's not welcome?

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been asking this for years about my 'Bu too...
check out my team membership date....

-jack

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been asking this for years about my 'Bu too...
check out my team membership date....

-jack

They're all welcome here :confused:

As for ACES, (if that's what you mean) the general membership pretty much voted down the inclusion of anything besides 64-72 Chevelles.

no impalas
no buicks
no Mac trucks
no Mopars
no faststangs
nuttin

You get my thoughts!------

Strangely enough...yes I do! :eek: ;)

They're all welcome here :confused:

As for ACES, (if that's what you mean) the general membership pretty much voted down the inclusion of anything besides 64-72 Chevelles.

no impalas
no buicks
no Mac trucks
no Mopars
no faststangs
nuttin

...and Beaumonts. :)

I think the Monte Carlos are good looking cars, but the long front end makes them drive like they're sniffing the road!!!

I bought one new in 72, kept it about 6 months and traded it for my first SS454 elky.

The Montes do make great Chevelle parts cars though!!!

To continue this silly thread. Someone said "El Caminos and Wagons are Chevelles". If this is true, I have two questions # 1 Why do 1970 El Caminos and Wagons have an EMBLEM in the grill that says "CHEVROLET" and a 1970 2Dr. Hdt. With a Z-15--Z-25 Pkg. has a "CHEVELLE" emblem in the grill?
# 2 If El Caminos and Wagons are Chevelles, Excluding the hood what sheetmetal from a 1970 El Camino or Wagon will bolt up to a 1970- Z-15 or Z-25 Two door ?
# 3 1970 El Caminos & Wagons (Chevelles ?) Will the frames interchange?
Caminos & Wagons--116" W.B.
Z-15 & 25s---------112" W.B.
# 4 All 1970 Z-15 & Z-25s had F-41 Suspension - Not Correct !! All Z-15 and Z-25 El Caminos had STANDARD Malibu front (malibu sway bar)
Rear "NO BOXED" rear arms and "NO SWAY BAR". In 1970---F-41 was not an option on ANY El Camino. I have to say there is a difference between a1970 Z-15---Z-25 2 dr. and a Z-15---Z-25 El Camino. Look at the bright side The SS 454 El Caminos had the same wheels as an SS Chevelle. So gosh-darnet they must be from the same litter!!! HELP ME!!! Do I have an El Camino and a Station Wagon in my garage or TWO Chevelles?
I am lost in the ozone-------Bob

Have to comment on your own car? :p

Took me a minute to figure out what you meant. The guy who posted the pic of my car and commented on it runs the website...I just sent him the pic. His car looks like mine, but is a big block SD. :p

His car is here:

http://xsorbit29.com/users5/jaspra/index.php?topic=394.0

To continue this silly thread. Someone said "El Caminos and Wagons are Chevelles". If this is true, I have two questions # 1 Why do 1970 El Caminos and Wagons have an EMBLEM in the grill that says "CHEVROLET" and a 1970 2Dr. Hdt. With a Z-15--Z-25 Pkg. has a "CHEVELLE" emblem in the grill?
# 2 If El Caminos and Wagons are Chevelles, Excluding the hood what sheetmetal from a 1970 El Camino or Wagon will bolt up to a 1970- Z-15 or Z-25 Two door ?
# 3 1970 El Caminos & Wagons (Chevelles ?) Will the frames interchange?
Caminos & Wagons--116" W.B.
Z-15 & 25s---------112" W.B.
# 4 All 1970 Z-15 & Z-25s had F-41 Suspension - Not Correct !! All Z-15 and Z-25 El Caminos had STANDARD Malibu front (malibu sway bar)
Rear "NO BOXED" rear arms and "NO SWAY BAR". In 1970---F-41 was not an option on ANY El Camino. I have to say there is a difference between a1970 Z-15---Z-25 2 dr. and a Z-15---Z-25 El Camino. Look at the bright side The SS 454 El Caminos had the same wheels as an SS Chevelle. So gosh-darnet they must be from the same litter!!! HELP ME!!! Do I have an El Camino and a Station Wagon in my garage or TWO Chevelles?
I am lost in the ozone-------Bob

wow.. you really know your trivial trivia. want a medal or something?

setting aside all the little details like the different badges GM put on the cars, an El Camino is a Chevelle with pickup bed instead of a back seat and trunk. the front clip bolts onto a Chevelle, but body lines don't line up. a Chevelle Wagon is a Chevelle 4 door with a topper permanently attached- and i believe they had the same front clip as an El Camino.
a Monte Carlo is a Chevelle with a longer hood and a stretched wheelbase between the doors and front wheels, along with different body lines and a little more luxurious spring rates and a plusher interior upholstery. all the mechanical parts that are in a Chevelle bolt directly into a Monte- suspension parts, engine and transmission parts, rear axle, driveshaft, exhaust, door panels, dash, seats- everything will come right out of a Chevelle and bolt directly into a Monte or from a Monte into a Chevelle. i believe they even had all the same drivetrain options- well, i've never seen a monte with an inline 6, but i think even the mighty LS6 was an option that no one ordered.
they are slightly different versions of the same car.
and a Monte was always a G body from 70-88 along with it's Pontiac cousin that was called "Grand Prix", which came out as a midsize luxury sedan in 1968.

I didn't mean to say that El Caminos and Wagons are Chevelles, I meant to say they're not necessarily Malibus. And that IF they were Malibus, then they were Chevelles because the Malibu name was simply an option on a Chevelle platform. Either way, I've seen Chevrolet brochures and said "Chevelle" on the front and on the inside the El Camino and the Wagons were included. If they're not essentially Chevelles, why are they included in there?

Wast it 64 or 65 that the El Camino actually had a CHEVELLE emblem on the front fenders?

The 64 El Camino has a CHEVELLE script plate on the front fender. The 66 and 67 Custom El Camino (135/13680) has Malibu script above the glove box. The base El Caminos would naturally not have Malibu scripts or emblems simply because they were based on the 300 Deluxe series (133/13480).

The signal to noise ratio has degraded a bit though on the original topic. There are probably as many similarities between the Chevrolet Chevelle 13000 series and the 13000 series Monte Carlo as there are between the Chevrolet Chevelle and Pontiac Beaumont and I love them both. Just wondered what people thought of the Beaumont being generally accepted as a cousin to the Chevelle while the Monte Carlo isn't. ;)

maybe it's because the Monte is seen as that uppity brother that thinks he's better than everyone else and no one likes? you know- the one that goes to college and becomes a highly paid lawyer while the rest of the family stays in their small hometown and works at the Ford dealership as oil and tire changers.
when, in reality, he just wants to be loved and respected for actually doing something with his life..
or it's that first thing i said at the beginning..

I think its pretty straight forward why beaumonts are accepted in a chevelle site or car show class, same sheet metal, frame, same driveline etc... other than the dash you can basically use a few tools to change one into the other... a monte is quite distinct...

Beaumonts were around when a chevelle was just a twinkle in GM's eyes... it started as the top option Acadian in '62-'63 on the Chevy II platform... in '64 it switched to the Chevelle platform to 1969 when it ceased production...

so just to stir it up a bit... a beaumont is not a 'canadian chevelle', a chevelle is a mass produced beaumont!hahaha!!

...it is fun taking a beaumont to a show in minneapolis or somewhere, and they ask if i want to be in the chevelle class or the gto class... I even had someone tell his kid it must be "some kind of a dodge product"

ak

:noway: Monte's are G bodies not A, but they are similar
It was my understanding that the Monte Carlo was an A body up until '77, then classified as a G body from '78 forward.:confused:

i see atleast one member from the fgmcc has posted to this question. the monte chevelle and el camino are in the same part catolog. the problem with the monte's is not to many people like them. as for the length of a monte it uses the same frame as a chevelle but it has 6" add into it in front of the firewall. just about all the Suspension on a chevelle can be found on a monte. but instead of the monte getting the f-41 Suspension the ss models got air ride for the rear. chevelles and montes were built in the same plants. the glass on the monte is the same as the chevelle until you get to the quarter glass. most of the interior is the same until you get to the seat patten. there is no proof a monte came out with a inline 6 or proof of the ls6 in one but we do have the ls5. http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/2668000-2668999/2668573_1.jpg
as for the hood being 6' long they still can hang in there with the chevelles and el caminos. and the monte are call a-bodies, until the front wheel drive cars came out. most of the g-bodies are in the late 70's until 80's. also some of the 80 el camino fall under the g-body line if im not mistake

59-60 El Caminos were based on Impalas not chevelles.

the best chevelle i ever owned was the 72 my uncle gave me. then i had to sell it and bought my 72 monte and never looked back. best choice i ever made. now i have 3 first generation monte carlos and dont regret any of them. now that is my .02


dave

IMO, Monte's are part of the Chevelle "family" (like Beaumonts and Sprints)...

I think there are two big reasons why Montes aren't generally accepted...

#1, Despite all the interchangible pieces (with Chevelles), they LOOK completely different. The Beaumonts are different, but due to the sheetmetal, they still look like a Chevelle...

#2 Monte's (in general) tend to be more popular with a diffeent car culture than most Chevelles. There is an overlap, but most Montes seem to go toward the "low rider" culture, whereas most Chevelles seem to go "muscle car"...

:noway: Monte's are G bodies not A, but they are similar

WRONG!!!! MONTES ARE "A" BODIES!!!! check the chevrolet assembly manual

the '78 up are "G" bodies

they don't like the Monte Carlo because it is longer than their car, and it makes them feel inferior..

Now that's funny...:D

There aren't too many cars out there that I myself don't like...and the 70-72 monte's certainly interchange with the chevelles...the first thing I did to my car many many years ago was to put in a complete drum to drum 4.11 geared rearend out of a 70 chevelle.

Yes, it is an A-body to the one person who doesnt believe it...;)

Oh, and check my signature, I do love chevelles...:thumbsup:

I didn't even realize that a Monte Carlo was a Chevy!

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6363/smallplymothmcos3.jpg

I think Beaumonts are considered Chevelles and Monte Carlos are not.

I didn't even realize that a Monte Carlo was a Chevy!

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6363/smallplymothmcos3.jpg


:sad: since you own one, I'm really starting to wonder about you;)

You can always make a Chevelle out of a Beaumont or use it for parts for your Chevelle. Can't turn a Monte into a Chevelle.

Which one looks more like a chevelle??

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/460000-460999/460059_7_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/11/web/2339000-2339999/2339668_3_full.jpg


Is there any reason to explain further?

FWIW, I like them both and wouldn't be ashamed to own either one.

I like the 68 chevelle the best............ but I like this one even better..:D

http://www.teamwir.com/2007photos/11-10/_0688.jpg

well hell i dont fit in any of the above

but i love montes

59-60 El Caminos were based on Impalas not chevelles.

As some seem to be getting picky

NO--it is not based on an Impala
It is in fact--a Biscayne with BelAir trim----it was born from the lowliest 2-dr wagon Chev offered that year---the Brookwood

An Elky may have had some Impala options---but nothing on the car was Impala based.

If not for the 59-60 --- there may not have even been a Chevelle based Elky.--- Hell, look how long it took for GM to offer an extended cab pick-up-----1988---------Ford and Dodge had been soing it since the early 70's

Anyway----i have been welcomed here, but I also have a 66 Elky.
Bryan

As some seem to be getting picky

NO--it is not based on an Impala
It is in fact--a Biscayne with BelAir trim----it was born from the lowliest 2-dr wagon Chev offered that year---the Brookwood

An Elky may have had some Impala options---but nothing on the car was Impala based.

If not for the 59-60 --- there may not have even been a Chevelle based Elky.--- Hell, look how long it took for GM to offer an extended cab pick-up-----1988---------Ford and Dodge had been soing it since the early 70's

Anyway----i have been welcomed here, but I also have a 66 Elky.
Bryan

I'll take two of each (or three or four) :yes: :D

IMO guys yes the Beaumont is a Pontiac but it looks like a Chevelle and it they both interchange with a lot of parts but other than the fact Pontiac copys everything Chevrolet does a Beaumont i think is best welcomed in the chevelle world, all a Pontiac is, is a Chevrolet, just look at the Ventura its the same as a Nova, look at the Beaumont same as a Chevelle, The GTO, and Lemans were both based like the chevelle was its a matter of timing which came first the pontiac or the chevrolet you know what im saying which car was released first the chevelle or the beaumont?? even the newer cars pontiac copied like the sunbird with the cavalier, then sunbird went out and they went with the sunfire against the cavalier its all a marketing thing IMO:thumbsup:

But really guys im glad i really am to see a forum for you beaumont guys out there now if in the elcamino section we could get a GMC sprint forum and somewhere put a Monte Carlo forum i think everyone would be set:thumbsup:

IMO, Monte's are part of the Chevelle "family" (like Beaumonts and Sprints)...

I think there are two big reasons why Montes aren't generally accepted...

#1, Despite all the interchangible pieces (with Chevelles), they LOOK completely different. The Beaumonts are different, but due to the sheetmetal, they still look like a Chevelle...

#2 Monte's (in general) tend to be more popular with a diffeent car culture than most Chevelles. There is an overlap, but most Montes seem to go toward the "low rider" culture, whereas most Chevelles seem to go "muscle car"...

true about the lowrider thing although Montes muscled out are awesome.

I think adding a Monte section to this site would be nice for monte owners. The FGMCC is a very slow moving site, mainly stock hubcap mobiles (not that I have a problem with that) and just boring. In fact I know a few guys who drag race Montes but cancelled their memberships on that site because they say "it plain sucks".:p

I think adding a Monte section to this site would be nice for monte owners. The FGMCC is a very slow moving site, mainly stock hubcap mobiles (not that I have a problem with that) and just boring. In fact I know a few guys who drag race Montes but cancelled their memberships on that site because they say "it plain sucks".:p

That site is dedicated to the First Generation of the Monte...that was only 3 years, of course it's not gonna be a fast pace site.

Funny you say mainly stock hubcaps on there...I know of a only a few with hubcaps on there, the majority are Rally wheels or aftermarket aluminum wheels.

Also, there are plenty of modified montes on that site...;)

That site is dedicated to the First Generation of the Monte...that was only 3 years, of course it's not gonna be a fast pace site.

Funny you say mainly stock hubcaps on there...I know of a only a few with hubcaps on there, the majority are Rally wheels or aftermarket aluminum wheels.

Also, there are plenty of modified montes on that site...;)

I love your car Bill:thumbsup:

what I am trying to get at it is the "modified" kind of theme over there isn't as strong as here. It would be great to pick it up a bit.

Oh and the stock hubcap thing I got from a guy I mentioned who races his Monte but is not a member there anymore. He told me that was his reason.
I am fine with rallys:p

They are in the same family. They are A-body cars. I am only talking 70-72 Montes here, though, because I don't know much about hat happened after that.

Out of curiousity, is the 4 door Chevelle frame the same length as a first gen Monte frame?

here's my modified monte...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/fgmcc/71%20monte%20SS%20454/2009calander001-1.jpg

Comparing Montes with Beaumonts/Chevelles is like comparing apples to bananas. The similarity is that they are just fruits. Montes have no businees in the Chevelle world. Their body lines are completely different than Chevelles, but they are a good source for some Chevelle parts.:yes:

here's my modified monte...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/fgmcc/71%20monte%20SS%20454/2009calander001-1.jpg

Sam I love your ride too! its the one for the Modified section picture right?

Why are Beaumonts so welcomed in the Chevelle community when Monte Carlos are not?


Just my opinion, but the Beaumonts just look cool like a chevelle dose. The monte's are a cool car, but I see them more like a huge two door family car. The front ends are miles long and I don't think the body lines are very "sports car" like. I wounldn't say I don't welcome the Monte's in the community, but my interests on what to do with one over a chevelle would be much different.

Sam I love your ride too! its the one for the Modified section picture right?

if you are talking about the modified forum at F.G.M.C.C. yes it is, it's been completely restored since that picture, here's a newer one...


http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/fgmcc/71%20monte%20SS%20454/2009calander019.jpg

Man that is one good lookin car !!!!!!!!

Monte's are great and I think we should have a place for them. In a way we already do since any thing you can do to a chevelle you can do to a Monte,in terms of suspension,engine etc. They are good looking cars and really are a "sister" car to the chevelle.

I personally like the big monte carlos

So should there be a seperate forum for the 'sister cars' like monte's, maybe also cutlass's, tempests, etc.etc?

anyways... beaumonts=same body as a chevelle (or chevy II in earlier years)... with a few wrenches and an hour, i could make my beaumont look like a chevelle on the outside (the gto dash would take a bit more work!)

nothing stops anyone from looking at any forums and sharing good info regardless of what car they own....

ak

if you are talking about the modified forum at F.G.M.C.C. yes it is, it's been completely restored since that picture, here's a newer one...


http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/fgmcc/71%20monte%20SS%20454/2009calander019.jpg
That thing looks like "muscle". Very, very nice!

Sam does have a nice 71. And if things go good for him he will have a nice 70 350 4sp bench car which is org. So Sam if you see this post keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing pictures of the 70.

I think the early montes kind of have the look of a chevelles hot mom.

I'm a fan, let em in :)

:noway: Monte's are G bodies not A, but they are similar


This is incorrect

It was my understanding that the Monte Carlo was an A body up until '77, then classified as a G body from '78 forward.:confused:

WRONG!!!! MONTES ARE "A" BODIES!!!! check the chevrolet assembly manual

the '78 up are "G" bodies

This is partially correct. Monte Carlos are A bodies up until 1980. The G body designation came into play for the 1981 model year.

if you are talking about the modified forum at F.G.M.C.C. yes it is, it's been completely restored since that picture, here's a newer one...


http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd214/fgmcc/71%20monte%20SS%20454/2009calander019.jpg


That is a NICE looking Monte Carlo :yes:

There is a lot of nice first gen Monte's on the fgmcc web site.

That is a nice monte...Saw a 73 here for sale the other day at a swap meet. So much potencial after you get rid of the ugly grill...Bleh...
My wife wont let me have more cars this year.:mad:

Not sure why the mont's arnt here and we "beaumonts" are appart from that beau's based off the chevelle body and use a chevelle drive train???


!!!PAUL!!!

To everybody arguing the fact of whether Monte's are A bodies or G bodies, you are both correct. The early Monte's were based on the Grand Prix, the frame was an A-body frame with extra length added between the firewall and front wheels, they were referred to as both G-bodies and A-body specials. I do believe the Monte's should have a spot here, they are basically a chevelle that went thru a growth spurt. Damn near everything mechanical wise that bolts to a chevelle will bolt to a Monte, most of the interior and glass as well. All we are arguing about is the body panels won't interchange? Isn't this the same as judging a book by it's cover or someone on the color of their skin? Isn't it what's on the inside that counts? And at heart the Monte's are chevelles with a different skin. They should definitely have their spot on this website. :beers:

I have check the wheel base between my Monte and my mom's El Camino both cars have a 116" wheel base. Most of the lenght on a Monte is in front of the crossmember. As for interchangable parts all suspension from a Monte can be put on a Chevelle front and back.

Heck, I never did hear that Monte Carlos weren't welcome here. :confused:

I don't know much about Beaumonts but my son has a 70 Monte Carlo and I post questions here all the time on his car. My other son has a 72 SS El Camino . Neither one is as popular as the Chevelle. That is probably why they have one. They are cheaper and easier to find so younger enthusiasts can enjoy driving a Chevelle (or close to it). It has alwaysbeen sort of accepted to poke fun at the Montes, but like some one else said, looks like a duck walks like.....
I have a 69 SS and love it and I have enjoyed all the different types of A bodies over the years. I enjoy a little fun like all of you, but I hope we don't become like the Corvette crowd. Any body that enjoys any Chevelles , El Camino or Monte is OK by me. I hope we encourage all of them and make the younger guys feel they are part of the Chevelle world regardless of which particular one they can afford. My .02 worth.

I like to think of a Chevelle as a poor mans Monte. Could not afford the extra length. But I am also the owner of three Big Block Montes. Nothing cooler than seeing the left front fender rise up at 20 MPH with just a stab of the gas. The downer is that those with deeper pockets will not spend on a Monte like a Chevelle. But than again, there were no LS6 montes, no L78s. The best you could get was an LS5 with an automatic.

But I deeply miss my 70 SS 454 Chevelle I sold when my daughter was born 16 years ago. That is why when another popped on on my cell phone 5 miles from my house on an eBay alert I jumped on it. Let the games begin. It does not hurt the stituation that my 81 Malibu has an LS6 replacement engine with date coded 11/68 074s on it. Sorry Bu, gotta borrow your drivetrain for awhile.

The wife and me are known to grab the car trailer and ride 1200 miles to pick up something cool. But I accept the idea that being a Monte owner makes me a second class citizen.

If having a LS5 stroked to a 496, 3500 stall, 3.73s, tach, gauges, buckets, console, F41, cold ac and power everything makes me a second class citizen on my 71, so be it. Wanna race? LOL.

But I am also the owner of three Big Block Montes. But than again, there were no LS6 montes, no L78s.

But I accept the idea that being a Monte owner makes me a second class citizen.



Second class ??? If you want to feel that way I suppose it is your choice but whats wrong with celebrating the fact that you have something different? IMHO nothing is more boring than another 70 / 72 Chevelle painted bright red. There are way too many of them!!! The MC is more or less the same mechanically and it is different visually. Not a bad deal the way I look at it.

Many parts are easily interchanged, prices are a little more reasonable and in the final analysis the car is not just another 70 / 72 Chevelle. There is nothing wrong with the 70 /72 Chevelles but how many can you look at without getting bored?

As to the engine selection. If you are not hung up on originality you can build whatever you want without all the guilt about messing up someones idea of a treasured part of Americana. The quest for correctness has hurt the hobby of hot rodding in that too many people are afraid to change the air in the tires because things won't be original.

Back in 1973 I bought a 350 CI / TH350 MC. Nothing special, I needed a car, this one was available. Over the years the car spent a lot of time off the road..I had company cars and winter beaters to drive. At some point I bought an LS6 Gen IV crate and a Richmond 5 Speed and converted the car to something I could have fun with. I used to regularly spank some of the Chevelle guys before I slowed down my driving habits.

The car has extensive but subtile mech. mods with Chevy parts including a 67 Vette 3x2, a complete set of white face guages in the original MC dash, G-body fast ratio/ real road feel steering box, late 70 early 80's Vette 3 spoke steering wheel and a 12 bolt 3.31 rear. Visually the car appears like a 72 SS454 from the outside. I know they never made one but if they did I like to think it would have been equipped somewhat like my car is.

Anyway point is you apparently have some cars that are different. Why be content to view yourself as a second class citizen? If someone wants to look down their nose at you as they drive their more likely than not RED 70 / 72 Chevelle that is their issue. You have nothing to appologize about!

If you wnat to discuss the MC off line, swap some info or whatever contact me at Hpexpatriot@yahoo.com or send me a PM.

I like them both. But if I had to pick one..... The Beaumont wins!

James, your Beaumont Rocks!

Dan

Just thought of something

Chevelle/Beaumont = Intermediate
Monte Carlo = Personal Luxury

Riviera, GranPrix, 2+2, Toro/Eldo-----------Personal Luxury cars, the Monte was just Chevrolet's version

Look at a Chevelle brochure and the el Camino and wagon are both in there. The Monte Carlo was supposed to be for the little bit older crowd who had matured and settled down. Trouble is many of us did neither and are still around with our Chevelles, el Caminos and wagons. Not my car but this is what GM could have done with a wagon. Wagons too could have been more than family and luggage movers. http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1969-Chevrolet-Chevelle-SS-Wagon-W0QQAdIdZ192345158

By GM's standards one has to look no further than the VIN. The MC VIN begins with 13xxx, the same designation as Chevelle and only the body style code (57) is unique to the MC. As I said long ago, I like both the Beaumont and the MC as well as the GMC Sprint. It's kind of like your sister can't come to the party but your cousins can.

What one particular model looks like overall and how one can 'change' a Beaumont into a Chevelle isn't relevant to the original idea. Beaumonts and GMC Sprints are not Chevelles (13xxx series) regardless of what they look like.

Discussions about whether an El Camino or station wagon (that's generic) is a Chevelle or not based on badging is silly. The El Camino (or 3-passenger sedan pickup) is just another body style for Chevelles. The GMC Sprint is the same body style (80) but it's a GMC, not Chevrolet. Saying an El Camino (or any flavor of station wagon) isn't a Chevelle because some badging says Chevrolet instead of El Camino, Malibu or anything else is, well, a poor argument IMO. Of course all El Caminos aren't Malibus, some are based on the 300 Deluxe or Standard series, the same way wagons are called Nomad, Greenbrier, Concours, etc. and may or may not say 'Chevelle' depending on the year. I think the 64 Malibu wagon has bading for all three, Malibu on the rear quarters, Chevelle on the front fenders, and Chevrolet on the hood and tailgate. All series varied thoughout the years and one can't make blanket statements about a series just because it does or doesn't say Chevelle or Chevrolet.

These are all based on different series within the 13000 Chevelle family regardless of badging. :D

Discussions about whether an El Camino or station wagon (that's generic) is a Chevelle or not based on badging is silly.

These are all based on different series within the 13000 Chevelle family regardless of badging. :D

Indeed this discussion of badging and body models / styles is SILLY!

To me it further exemplifies just how goofy this hobby is getting. What difference does it make if a Beaumont can be made into a Chevelle or if a 3 passenger intermediate (El Camino) can or cannot be classified as a Chevelle? Wasn't this supposed to be about the old cars not about inane points of 13nnn cars and G-Body this and XYZ Body that?

Perhaps playing with the old cars is an example of a refusal to grow up, a refusal to totally leave behind some of the better memories as we get older. Perhaps also: these endless, pointless discussions about more or less mindless minutia are an example of child like squabbling. In effect an example of a refusal to just plain grow up in our general approach to things. I can hear it all now "Mommy Mommy Jimmie says my Monte Carlo is not a Chevelle"...Or "Daddy, Jerry said that G-body cars were not built until the 1980's but Mike says that the G-body series includes my 71 Monte Carlo". Get a grip guys!!

Lets just enjoy whatever car we have and for God's sake stop this hair splitting discussion of nano particle size issues. Like I said in this post and others before it...wasn't this supposed to be about enjoying the cars?

I actually am enjoying this topic more than many others. Goofy hobbies? Duder, I keep well over 1200 exotic turtles. Hands down, they paid for every care I own. Take it all at face value.

It is about enjoying the cars.

Andy

Heh, I own three First Gen Montes (70, 71, 72), a Third Gen Monte (84), two '70 El Caminos and a 70 Concours Wagon. Going by "badges" the only "Chevelles" I have owned were parts cars... But all of them are GM A-bodies!

Being a little different is cool, no one else in my neighborhood has cars like mine! If Beaumonts were common around here I probably would have had one of those too.

Also, I too vote for a Monte Carlo section here at TC!

Best,
Tom

Well I was watching some show that was taking a look back on chevy's assembly lines in the late 60's early 70's and I saw the 72 Chevelle's and the 72 Monte Carlos come right off the same assembley line.

BTW Im new here, I was just searching post to see what people were up to.

Another Monte owner in Riverside County! Too cool!

Would love to have more assembly line pics of Montes. Only see the same ones from the 70 model run.

Best regards,
Tom

If we were voting---- :yes: I'd "let" Montes in the fold - group - show - club
I love them all....