well the most simple answer is what some one will pay for it. but what trouble me as buss. man ,if i take a rare car, rare meaning under 6000 produce muscle car. and restore it and it cost me 30,000 to do i should be able to sell it for that price or more, why because there not making anymore . why should people loss money on a growing hobby, expecly when the product is so limted. dont make sence. really i kept reading about these folk here complaning about the high cost of some of these cars am not talk about ultra rare cars. am talking about 30k to 60 k range cars. it cost folks at least 30k to restore that rare car why should they sell it for 18k why should they lose money.i know the market set the price but you all are the market. if you want these price to come down, pump up the supply built more rare cars . lol. or the hobby or collectors loss insterst and start dumping there cars but that only a short term correction. lastly tell all the restores to built your car for 50% less the going rate.

Well if you have been truely reading the posts
No one is upset that a True restored 70 SS396 is going for 35 or 40K

Now take the other road, your ALL about profit, So you make a few clones, Call them Real SS's and have a nice disclaimer, saying that people should do their own research " Very few can, or do " ,and of course, since you know damn well, that no one can tell a True 70SS without a buildsheet or a original engine you rob a few people, That my Dear Sir, is what we are bitching about


And I didnt mean you personally, I meant you as the bad dealers, ruining it for everyone

You say rare cars of under 6,000 produced. What is so rare about a '70 SS with a 396 (49,000 produced). I could honestly care less about the prices of restored ones. But when people get it stuck in their heads that their rust buckets are worth near that much thats when it pisses me off. That and people trying to pass off a clone as a true super sport.

clonning and passing as a real is wrong. i own a real ss my self gm of canada doc, in also own a 68 gto convertable. bottom line is clone or real if it cost 30 to 40 to restore one why cannt it be worth that. why would it be a crime to ask that money .if you built a home and it cost you 200k well. should i sell for 100k .and homes are not a rare at all,you can built as many as you want. thur out this country.

Im no expert but it would seem the only way it would cost that much to restore is if you paid someone to do it. But then again im no expert and I could be wrong.

Here's an old question. Say you had 2 identical 1970 ss 396 4 speed cars, one with a build sheet, one without, both restored to perfection, both NOM and trans, Is one really worth more than the other because it has a BS ? I'm staying neutral.

Ok you guys win

I have a 4 door olds cutlass with a 350 Non matching

I paid 750,000 to have it restored

Lets say we start the bidding at 1 million dollars

I mean I paid to have it done, why shouldent I get that much?

steve really your being a smart ass or you dont get it. steve the going rate from most restore shops around the usa is about 75.00 an hour plus materals for a good job around 25 to 40 k and most people do some of the work and some things they farm out just like if you were a builder of a home. now if you want to but newly restored muscle cars for 10,0000 go have it restored in china or mexico were labor cheap dude your from det. look what that mentally a done to mich.

Could we have some pics of the Cutlass?

Time and time again I have seen real or imagined value keep people from driving and enjoying there cars.Ive spent way to much money on my chevelle and will continue to do so. I bought my first car because I liked it and drove it as much as I could.My chevelle has a perfectly good 402 that I'm going to replace with a 496 as soon as I can afford it! The only time I want to hear what someone else thinks my car is worth is when they are standing in front of me with cash.

well the most simple answer is what some one will pay for it. but what trouble me as buss. man ,if i take a rare car, rare meaning under 6000 produce muscle car. and restore it and it cost me 30,000 to do i should be able to sell it for that price or more, why because there not making anymore . why should people loss money on a growing hobby, expecly when the product is so limted. dont make sence. really i kept reading about these folk here complaning about the high cost of some of these cars am not talk about ultra rare cars. am talking about 30k to 60 k range cars. it cost folks at least 30k to restore that rare car why should they sell it for 18k why should they lose money.i know the market set the price but you all are the market. if you want these price to come down, pump up the supply built more rare cars . lol. or the hobby or collectors loss insterst and start dumping there cars but that only a short term correction. lastly tell all the restores to built your car for 50% less the going rate.

Who sells at a loss?
Nobody that I remember hearing of.
I think some people don't really have a clue as to just how much it costs to build a nice car nowdays, eithier that or the're stuck back in the 80's
AND it cost as much to build a so called "clone" as it does to build a non clone.

imho the days of the big price jump 300 to 1000 percent for good real cars gtos ss ect are over i mean 5 years ago you could of bought real 1970 ss 454 frame off for 12 to 15 k now there 50 to 70k. going foward some cars may get the real big jumps . but as a whole i think we will go up 5 to 20 percent some years and down 5 to 10 percent in other years. in other word the muscle car market will be good to fair . I DONT SEE A CORRECTION OF 30 TO 60 PERCENT ON GOOD REAL CARS OR WELL DONE CLONES IN THE 30 TO 60 price RANGE. the reason is the cost to retore these cars, and allso the hobby is really popular more popular than ever before. demand is strong supply limited. i just reminds of a guy i knew for 10 years he said i going to wait until the realestate market come crashing down then i will buy. well 10 years latter he was right but it would way cheap to buy 10 years ago.

just my 2 cents i have a numbers matching 1972 ss 402 chevelle i got 6 yrs ago for 1,500 it needed everything rebuilt,replaced,restored, including qtr panels,fenders, the whole nine yards i have always loved chevelles, my first car was a 72 chevelle anyways im not able to restore the car to showroom quality like i want so i was just storing the car in my moms garage until my son talked me into looking for a resto shop i found one about 5 months ago i was shocked he said it would be 560 hrs labor at 65 per hour and appox 20,000 in parts i left quick , i planned on selling it but as i looked on evilbay and went on team chevelle i saw cars going for about that or less for 1972 chevelles i decided it would be smart to restore a true numbers matching 1972 ss 402 chevelle then get burned on a 1970 chevelle that had been decked and restamped, i know i will never see 60,000 for my chevelle when it is done but at least i have a true ss chevelle to pass down to my son and the car will be show quality, plus some of the cars where my chevelle is being restored them guys are spending 100,000 up to 250,000 to get what they want. i will post some of my pictures as car is being done they have the body off and are blasting the frame and body as i typ thank you guys for posting great topics, and all the help finding parts, mark

You guys all need to read my quote at the end of Deans post!!!! At least all of you except for Steve, he has heard it from me enough!!!!! But seriously nb707, a classic car price is a very difficult thing to pin down. I have had people suggest to me that since I know quite a bit about them, why don't I go get my appraisers license. My answer to them is always very simple. I do not get paid to lie like that!!!!!! I am much happier as an authenticity expert, and just an adviser on price. Never put it down on paper. That way, I keep out of trouble. (or at least, I try!!!!) In the last 2 years, appraisal shelf life has been about ten minutes. Just about as long as it took buyer to find someone to pay more than that. Then how would I look?
Price has a lot of factors, and agreed, money spent on restoration is one factor, but quality of that money more important than quantity. And good car to start helps a lot. But any guess me or anyone else takes at value is only our opinion, and not always shared by everyone. The threads here no different, some value quality, numbers be damned, some value authenticity and de-value a clone. Some will never agree that any car is worth what they are bringing, even though right now, that is where the market is at. Proves we are all different, but at least we have one thing in common, love of Chevelles. Right?

Jeff Dotterer
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imho the days of the big price jump 300 to 1000 percent for good real cars gtos ss ect are over i mean 5 years ago you could of bought real 1970 ss 454 frame off for 12 to 15 k now there 50 to 70k. going foward some cars may get the real big jumps . but as a whole i think we will go up 5 to 20 percent some years and down 5 to 10 percent in other years. in other word the muscle car market will be good to fair . I DONT SEE A CORRECTION OF 30 TO 60 PERCENT ON GOOD REAL CARS OR WELL DONE CLONES IN THE 30 TO 60 price RANGE. the reason is the cost to retore these cars, and allso the hobby is really popular more popular than ever before. demand is strong supply limited. i just reminds of a guy i knew for 10 years he said i going to wait until the realestate market come crashing down then i will buy. well 10 years latter he was right but it would way cheap to buy 10 years ago.

Drinking and posting don't mix:sad:

steve really your being a smart ass or you dont get it. steve the going rate from most restore shops around the usa is about 75.00 an hour plus materals for a good job around 25 to 40 k and most people do some of the work and some things they farm out just like if you were a builder of a home. now if you want to but newly restored muscle cars for 10,0000 go have it restored in china or mexico were labor cheap dude your from det. look what that mentally a done to mich.

Doesn't anyone proofread any more?

How can you respect a guys opinion when he doesn't care enough to write an intelligible sentence?

Are you related to chevyboy?
I'm serious.

Who sells at a loss?
Nobody that I remember hearing of.
I think some people don't really have a clue as to just how much it costs to build a nice car nowdays, eithier that or the're stuck back in the 80's
AND it cost as much to build a so called "clone" as it does to build a non clone.
People lose all the time, restorations blowout, paying a dealer too much, buying the wrong car, having to sell in a hurry for whatever reason and many people just don't do any homework and buy on impulse. It happens.

mr. 69 its the thought that counts.

Who sells at a loss?
Nobody that I remember hearing of.
I think some people don't really have a clue as to just how much it costs to build a nice car nowdays, eithier that or the're stuck back in the 80's
AND it cost as much to build a so called "clone" as it does to build a non clone.

This is DEAD ON. My clone was NOT cheap and the only thing I didn't do is paint it. Why wouldn't I farm out the paint job after spending so much time getting everything else right? Parts are not cheap (well the good ones anyway), time is not cheap and that all adds up. Even without adding any labor dollars for my own time I've got over $30K (and counting) in it. Dean said it best in his post quoted above.

55K into mine without bodywork and I bought it right. I did all labor except engine rebuilt for 4K

Cosmetics and Nut and bolt correctness costs $$$$$$$$

Your 25K 70 454's are sweep dash hack Clone's at this point in the game.

Anybody who's actually built a super nice car Knows that and will spend the money for outstanding cosmetic detail and quality component usage as apposed to paying double for a numbers car in the same show quality.

I was trying to lighten the mood !@!!!!!





steve really your being a smart ass or you dont get it. steve the going rate from most restore shops around the usa is about 75.00 an hour plus materals for a good job around 25 to 40 k and most people do some of the work and some things they farm out just like if you were a builder of a home. now if you want to but newly restored muscle cars for 10,0000 go have it restored in china or mexico were labor cheap dude your from det. look what that mentally a done to mich.

I am much happier as an authenticity expert, and just an adviser on price. Never put it down on paper. That way, I keep out of trouble. (or at least, I try!!!!)



That's the way I feel too Jeff.. and what I do..

The topic is soooooo beat to death, and when you see the same people over and over who just don't get it, or not willing to agree to disagree.. it gets frusrating... :(

and I'd love to know who is restoring a rare car of any kind for a mere $30-$40K :noway:

Well i will join in this topic one more time!
1. there are the frame off nut and bolt restorations 50-? g for all correct numbers etc..
2 there are the high end resto mods with all the newest high dollar goodies suspention,motor,wheels etc..40-60 g.
3 there are basic bone stock restos new paint,interior,drive train,suspention etc.10-20 g.
4 there are the slapped on quicky paint,flashy wheels etc..5-10g
5 there are the generic spray paint rattle can crap jobs with a new set of tires ?g.
So there is a million ways a resto can go and a million different finnal cost for the resto can end at which is what seem to piss alot of people off is the idiots that do the quicky paint and flashy wheel restos for 5-10 grand comparing them to the 30-60 g resto and expecting 20-25 for a heap worth 10 at best!!
One other thing people that have cars restored cause they are clueless and cant do any of the work will and should pay more!
Myself i can do any and all resto work other than paint so other than the cost of parts i could do a 60g resto for probably 1/3 of the cost so would i pay 60 g for a restored car that i could build for 20g NO!
But it seems anyone that owns any old car now days thinks its worth 20-60g restored or fresh out of a barn just because they see high dollar restored ones going for big money!!!
It is a lack of knowledge of the majority of the present buyers driving these insane prices NOT that there are only 5 left in the world and 5000 people want them as all classic car dealers and ebay sellers would have us believe!

The worst part of all of this is that the high prices have ruined the hobby for many people. 10 to15 years ago you could buy a nice starter car for 500 to 1000 dollars or a really sweet car for 5000. Now 5000 gets you junk. If you fix most of it yourself it still costs to much to go all original because people sell used parts like they are made of gold AKA the 15,000 dollar radiator.
I started fixing cars to hang out with my dad and freinds and I still do .I tried that buy and sell stuff for awhile and got sick of it. Now I help freinds with there cars and work on my own and when it's all said and done we cruize and hang out .:hurray: :thumbsup: :cool: :beers:

Wouldn't be nice if the High Price of a pack of cigarettes ruined it for those who want to Smoke :sad: But, no it has not....

Take a look back at more than just classic cars/musclecars and you will see that just about everything in the world cost more now than it did 15 years ago.. that's just the way things go... like it or not. :(

This is DEAD ON. My clone was NOT cheap and the only thing I didn't do is paint it. Why wouldn't I farm out the paint job after spending so much time getting everything else right? Parts are not cheap (well the good ones anyway), time is not cheap and that all adds up. Even without adding any labor dollars for my own time I've got over $30K (and counting) in it. Dean said it best in his post quoted above.
I'm with you on this one, I've got well over 30K into my '72...and I did almost everything except for the paint/body work, and stitching up the custom interior. I've been trying to sell it for the past 6 months now and the best offer that I've gotten for it is 18K...WTF...

I'm with you on this one, I've got well over 30K into my '72...and I did almost everything except for the paint/body work, and stitching up the custom interior. I've been trying to sell it for the past 6 months now and the best offer that I've gotten for it is 18K...WTF...

That is just wrong! A lot of people assume that if it's not a real SS then it was somehow a lot less expensive to restore it. I'm sure not saying that it's as expensive to do a clone but it's pretty pricey as you well know. What I'm trying to say is if you're cloning a Malibu into a "SS" and need a 12 bolt rear end it's going to cost the same money to get a 12 bolt for the clone as it is going to cost if it's going into a true SS that needs a new rear end. Another way to look at it is in some cases it's MORE expensive to restore a non-SS car. When I swapped out the sweep dash I had to spend quite a bit on a used SS dash, in a real SS I wouldn't have had to buy that.

That is just wrong! A lot of people assume that if it's not a real SS then it was somehow a lot less expensive to restore it. I'm sure not saying that it's as expensive to do a clone but it's pretty pricey as you well know. What I'm trying to say is if you're cloning a Malibu into a "SS" and need a 12 bolt rear end it's going to cost the same money to get a 12 bolt for the clone as it is going to cost if it's going into a true SS that needs a new rear end. Another way to look at it is in some cases it's MORE expensive to restore a non-SS car. When I swapped out the sweep dash I had to spend quite a bit on a used SS dash, in a real SS I wouldn't have had to buy that.

well this is where you have to ask yourself is it worth it to me to spend this much with a lesser resale value cause i like the car and its what i want!
Or are you simply building the car in hopes of cashing in on the high prices of the real ss and other rare cars?
If you wanted an SS you should have bought one to start with?
If you just wanted a clean fast fun car to toy with you should buy the malibu and not put all the ss stuff in it??
The only reason i can see to do a high end ss clone is to try and make a quick buck off of it?
If your willing to spend 30g say on cloning a SS why not just spend the 30 and get a real ss? There have been several on the site classifieds in that range?
A malibu with all the ss crap on it is still just a malibu unless it was from the factory, thats why mine still has the swept dash etc but an upgraded drivetrain and suspention etc...............

I have yet to date bought a SS anything put money in to it and sold it for a profit. I cant seem to do it unless I screwed someone. I suppose if you in theory could do everything, motor, trans, suspension, body work and interior you might. But the car better have a lot of reusable parts.
I have a 69 El Co I have owned for 15 years. I payed 5 k for it and put 20 k in to it to make it road worthy and it was very reliable, everything worked except the ac that would cost $1500 to $2000 15 years ago to get fixed.
I put about 5000 miles on it and my then girlfriend pulled it out of the garage and f ed the entire right side up, door to quarter panel. The car sat in a garage for 7 years and that show Overhaulin aired. I became reinspired, my HELOC became available to me. I tore to car apart again 2.5 years ago did a frame off. This time I stuck 70k into the same car. The car is a true SS 396 / 325 4 speed and a 12 bolt but I cant prove its a SS. In fact until I joined TC last april I did not know you could not prove a 69 with out additional documents. What do you think its worth? According to Kelly Blue book its worth 19 to 20 k in perfect condition and what car thats 40 years old is in perfect condition ? Real life valueI dont know.
If I sold the car lets just say for 20 k and it needed 2 k to really complete it I guess the buyer would have done well on that deal, but I would have screwed myself. No one would buy it for 70 k, That would mean I broke even so I got screwed for all the hours I put in to the car. If I sold it for 70 k the buyer got screwed.
I dont think this is a profit making kinda business for anyone.
This is just one of many examples of different cars that I lost money on. But I keep doing it. I think the trick is to never sell the car.
Just my opinion.

Don't get discouraged, wait 5 years and you'll get your 70K back.

well this is where you have to ask yourself is it worth it to me to spend this much with a lesser resale value cause i like the car and its what i want!
Or are you simply building the car in hopes of cashing in on the high prices of the real ss and other rare cars?
If you wanted an SS you should have bought one to start with?
If you just wanted a clean fast fun car to toy with you should buy the malibu and not put all the ss stuff in it??
The only reason i can see to do a high end ss clone is to try and make a quick buck off of it?
If your willing to spend 30g say on cloning a SS why not just spend the 30 and get a real ss? There have been several on the site classifieds in that range?
A malibu with all the ss crap on it is still just a malibu unless it was from the factory, thats why mine still has the swept dash etc but an upgraded drivetrain and suspention etc...............

Well, I don't want to start a pissin contest but this post is somewhat BS.
1. Nowhere did I say how much I paid for my lesser valued car to start with.
2. My car is not and will not be for sale anytime soon, if at all.
3. You can't find a true SS in the shape my car is in for anywhere near what I have into it...I've done it over time not just chunck big $$ down.
4. I LIKE the "SS" stuff and did my car the way I wanted to, since I didn't ask for it please keep your opinion to yourself.
5. Re-read #2.
6. Find me a real SS for 30K that's in as good a condition...maybe but I doubt it, besides I liked doing mine.
7. Glad you like the sweep dash, I hate it but it's your car so I won't cut on it. Since you think the "SS" stuff is crap I'm really glad you have a lesser Malibu...just like me!

Now that I responded to your post, bring it on. By the way, I've swapped my 402 for a 502, the rear-end is now a Moser 9 inch. Just the way I want it, would you do that with a real SS?

It really irritates me when someone just assumes something. I agree there are those that are just trying to make a huge profit but don't put me in that group unless I've earned that label.

Heck, just read your own signature block "camaro,chevelle nova u gotta love them all!!"

Mark

I know how much a decent car and a good resto costs, I've done it too. All I was trying to say was that sometimes unforseen circumstances arise and you have to sell your car. It doesent matter how much you've spent restoring it, sometimes you don't get the money back. For example, If your NOM SS 396 auto coupe owes you 60k and that's possible right ? you may have a hard time selling it for that. Hopefully none of us will ever be faced with this situation, but some have, that's all I was trying to point out, sorry If I've opened a can of worms.

... the reason is the cost to retore these cars, and allso the hobby is really popular more popular than ever before. demand is strong supply limited.

Which "Hobby"... The hobby of working on/driving you old "classic" car, the hobby of taking you almost perfectly restored/detailed classic to a major show or the hobby of sitting watching your "perfectly" restored classic in its sealed bubble while calculating its current value?

$30K+ to restore? If thats what YOU want to pay... Not saying its not true, because I know the costs are pretty high for labor, especially the guys with great reputations... But alot depends on what you can and want to do yourself...

There are alot of us that consider the "hobby" as BUILDING these cars ourselves (as much as we can) and driving them for enjoyment. And building your own, while still expensive, doesn't cost nearly what it does to pay someone else to do it...

Not saying its a bad thing to pay someone to do all the work, but IF you are going to pay someone, then you shouldn't complain if you lose (or don't make as much of a profit as you anticipated)... And I know not everyone has the time/ability to build it themselves...


I don't like fraud, but I have nothing against clones... IMO, Clones do not bring down the value of "real" cars, they just keep those values grounded in reality a bit...


Like anything, "Rare" doesn't mean squat to the value... Rarity AND desirability, now that is where the value comes in... I wonder how many people own classic cars because they are a good investment (or largely perceived that way), and how many own them because they love them? I know myself, I don't care if all thebottom fell out of the old car market... I'd still love them... I have rarely, if ever made a profit on old cars. But then again, most of them I have owned for many years... Even though it "seems" like I made a profit, if I go back and look at all the receipts, I'd be surprised if I broke even, even doing 95% of the work myself...


IMO, If you truly LOVE these old cars, you aren't worried about losing money...

If you are worried about losing money to the point that you don't drive the car, then you do not truly love these cars, but instead think of them as an investment...

I don't care if its an original Z16 Chevelle, or a ZL1 Camaro... If you don't drive the thing, then you are not in the same "hobby" as those that drive these cars for enjoyment...

I think some people can go on both sides, loving and driving their old cars, but with some rare, high-dollar resto safely tucked away... Still, if they aren't going to drive the car as intended, then why have it... No saying they have to do smoky burnouts all over the place, or take it to the grocery store, but get out and drive the car as it was intended... Sure, I worry about wrecks and theft, but I realize that a few rock chips are not really going to do any harm... Its just a piece of metal...


I am actually thinking about knotching the frame rails for tire clearance on my "True" SS... I have thought about selling it, and starting with a "Malibu", but really, I couldn't sell it for much more than I'll likely find a solid Malibu in the same condition... Not really worth it...

Of course, at this point, I am not worried about selling it anyway...

...
By the way, I've swapped my 402 for a 502, the rear-end is now a Moser 9 inch. Just the way I want it, would you do that with a real SS?

...

Mark

Not to get into this whole shooting match but this caught my eye and I wholeheartedly agree.

The whole point of having and building a Malibu over an SS (IMO) is that I wouldn't want to cut up the "real thing". But an SS clone (aka Malibu) is free range territory, baby! So bring on the mods, anything goes and its guilt free. (IMO... did I already say that? well OK)

Jump in, the water's fine! :D

Which "Hobby"... The hobby of working on/driving you old "classic" car, the hobby of taking you almost perfectly restored/detailed classic to a major show or the hobby of sitting watching your "perfectly" restored classic in its sealed bubble while calculating its current value?

$30K+ to restore? If thats what YOU want to pay... Not saying its not true, because I know the costs are pretty high for labor, especially the guys with great reputations... But alot depends on what you can and want to do yourself...

There are alot of us that consider the "hobby" as BUILDING these cars ourselves (as much as we can) and driving them for enjoyment. And building your own, while still expensive, doesn't cost nearly what it does to pay someone else to do it...

Not saying its a bad thing to pay someone to do all the work, but IF you are going to pay someone, then you shouldn't complain if you lose (or don't make as much of a profit as you anticipated)... And I know not everyone has the time/ability to build it themselves...


I don't like fraud, but I have nothing against clones... IMO, Clones do not bring down the value of "real" cars, they just keep those values grounded in reality a bit...


Like anything, "Rare" doesn't mean squat to the value... Rarity AND desirability, now that is where the value comes in... I wonder how many people own classic cars because they are a good investment (or largely perceived that way), and how many own them because they love them? I know myself, I don't care if all thebottom fell out of the old car market... I'd still love them... I have rarely, if ever made a profit on old cars. But then again, most of them I have owned for many years... Even though it "seems" like I made a profit, if I go back and look at all the receipts, I'd be surprised if I broke even, even doing 95% of the work myself...


IMO, If you truly LOVE these old cars, you aren't worried about losing money...

If you are worried about losing money to the point that you don't drive the car, then you do not truly love these cars, but instead think of them as an investment...

I don't care if its an original Z16 Chevelle, or a ZL1 Camaro... If you don't drive the thing, then you are not in the same "hobby" as those that drive these cars for enjoyment...

I think some people can go on both sides, loving and driving their old cars, but with some rare, high-dollar resto safely tucked away... Still, if they aren't going to drive the car as intended, then why have it... No saying they have to do smoky burnouts all over the place, or take it to the grocery store, but get out and drive the car as it was intended... Sure, I worry about wrecks and theft, but I realize that a few rock chips are not really going to do any harm... Its just a piece of metal...


I am actually thinking about knotching the frame rails for tire clearance on my "True" SS... I have thought about selling it, and starting with a "Malibu", but really, I couldn't sell it for much more than I'll likely find a solid Malibu in the same condition... Not really worth it...

Of course, at this point, I am not worried about selling it anyway...

Well said.

I am actually thinking about knotching the frame rails for tire clearance on my "True" SS... I
I did:yes:

Well, I don't want to start a pissin contest but this post is somewhat BS.
1. Nowhere did I say how much I paid for my lesser valued car to start with.
2. My car is not and will not be for sale anytime soon, if at all.
3. You can't find a true SS in the shape my car is in for anywhere near what I have into it...I've done it over time not just chunck big $$ down.
4. I LIKE the "SS" stuff and did my car the way I wanted to, since I didn't ask for it please keep your opinion to yourself.
5. Re-read #2.
6. Find me a real SS for 30K that's in as good a condition...maybe but I doubt it, besides I liked doing mine.
7. Glad you like the sweep dash, I hate it but it's your car so I won't cut on it. Since you think the "SS" stuff is crap I'm really glad you have a lesser Malibu...just like me!

Now that I responded to your post, bring it on. By the way, I've swapped my 402 for a 502, the rear-end is now a Moser 9 inch. Just the way I want it, would you do that with a real SS?

It really irritates me when someone just assumes something. I agree there are those that are just trying to make a huge profit but don't put me in that group unless I've earned that label.

Heck, just read your own signature block "camaro,chevelle nova u gotta love them all!!"

Mark


This was the point I was trying to make! It is your car and you did it just the way YOU wanted no matter the cost.
I think anyone with 30g to spend on a muscle car with any sense would do it the same way (buy a reasonable starter and pour cash into it, not just drop one big chunk) thats why i think you will find it hard to find someone to drop 30 on someone elses built up malibu or clone!
I was not trying to rip on you or your car. I build my cars cause thats the part i enjoy not just driving someone elses work around and there are things i like that others may not.
Do I think someone should give me as much as a similar condition ss would bring just because i have that much into it no. (not that i would sell anyway).
Its that 5000 dollar malibu to start with versus the 15000 dollar SS starter car is why the true SS/rare cars are bringing more money upon resale?
JMHO

Its that 5000 dollar malibu to start with versus the 15000 dollar SS starter car is why the true SS/rare cars are bringing more money upon resale?
JMHO
If they can prove it ?

read posts #116 and 117 in this thread this is what i was trying to point out. thats all could not have said it better!

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167574&page=8

read posts #116 and 117 in this thread this is what i was trying to point out. thats all could not have said it better!

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167574&page=8

I couldn't agree more, I never, ever said my car was worth what I have put into it and to me it's a moot point because it's not for sale...well unless someone has cash and it's a lot :D. I replied to your post in a negative way because you quoted me (and I was just saying it aint cheap no matter what you want to do with your car) implying I was trying to make some sort of profit. I've wanted a Chevelle since I was 10 and had to wait 32 year before I could get mine so it isn't going anywhere! It's all good and I've said in the past I like your green Malibu :beers:.

Mark