Jack Cummings
Oct 20th, 02, 9:37 AM
I'm planning to shoot S/W Dimension Acrylic Enamel and Refinishers Select RS 1000 Etching Filler. Does anyone have any experience with these products and are they decent?
More details on what I'm trying to do are in my other post below. Any input greatly appreciated.
MARTINSR
Oct 20th, 02, 10:02 AM
Jack, "Dimension" is Sherwin Williams "value line" like PPG's "OMNI" or DuPont's "NASON". It is a good product and in someways very good. But it is a value line and the tech support is not strong. I have sprayed it only once and found it to be very user freindly. The Refinshers select etching primer IS the exact same product as their top of the line etching primer E2G980. So it is of course a great deal. They don't want you to know it is the same product but it is, believe me.
What are you painting? What color is it?
You may find that the Dimension Base coat with the Refinishers SELECT clear may be a better choice.
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Jack Cummings
Oct 20th, 02, 9:26 PM
Thanks for the input.
I'm painting a 74 442. It will be white with a maroon stripe on the hood and trunk.
I'd thought about doing bc/cc but am leaning toward single stage acrylic enamel for lower cost, fewer shoots, and lower toxicity than Urethane due to the absence of Isocyanates. I also see alot of cars with delaminating clear and that concerns me.
The bc/cc suggestion would move me into urethanes, correct?
I do want to add to the acrylic any hardners and gloss enhancers that are available to help boost the paint. I'm still thinking that for what I'm doing, acrylic may be best for me, although I do understand its yesterday's technology.
You also commented on my air proposal in the other post. I've got a 6hp 30 gal that makes 8.6 cfm at 40 psi. My buddy has another that probably makes 5-6. I'm also planning to plumb in my old power pal that will probably add 1. I'm figuring these 3 together should get me right at 15 cfm at 40 psi if plumbed together. This would put me right at the bottom of the range for my gun, but in the range. If the dimension is thin, this should help, I hope.
I'd considered an old style suction gun but my friend who works at a body shop said no no bad bad. I'd still be open to this as an option if you think it would be better and I can probably return the HF HVLP.
MARTINSR, please let me know your thoughts from here......
MARTINSR
Oct 21st, 02, 9:44 AM
Jack, other than epoxy or products specifically marked "ISO FREE", EVERYTHING with a hardener is going to have isocynates in it. Urehtane and Enamel with a hardener BOTH have isos in them.
Go with the bc/cc it is much easier. Much easier to control and repair if you do screw up.
I am not an engineer but as I remember from some threads on the subject, your piggy backing the compressers does not produce the the CFM you are after. Something about the restriction of flow between them or something like that comes to mind.
Listen, HVLP is not the only way to go. If I had a little compressor I would grab my old Devilbiss JGA502 and paint it. I had a 2 hp compressor in my shop twenty years ago and bought a house with the money I made! Many guys can't even paint with an HVLP, they refuse to give up their old conventional guns, they can't be all that bad.
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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
Jack Cummings
Oct 21st, 02, 12:30 PM
Again, thanks. Sounds like I'll be looking for a conventional gun. If I go to bc/cc, can you point me to correct product in the Dimension line for this? Would it be in the 3rd Dimension urethanes? I'm having a hard time finding my way around the S/W site on the Dimension products - its like part of the index is gone. Guess I need to talk some more with the guys at the store.
I do see the refinisher's select clears and will be pondering this route.