Anyone see it on the Speed channel?

Some awesome cars.

A 69 Baldwin Motion Camaro 427
a 69 427 Yenko Chevy Nova
a 440-6pack Super Bee From Mr Norm
a 69 GTO Royal Bobcat Ram Air IV
a 69 Hurst SC/Rambler 390
a 69 Shelby GT500

all 4 speed cars all rear end gears between 3.90 and 4.11 they said.
All using the same tires from Coker tires.

It was cool to see these incredible machines put through the paces. I do question the skill of the driver! How do you take a 11.5 sec. Baldwin Motion Camaro and turn a 13.42 ET?

All I can say is can I have my ol 64 Malibu SS back from 1974? Then can I race this guy for pinks on the tv show? I was shocked to see not one of these cars posting a better ET than I got back then from my built and bored 283 Malibu. I was able back then to run a 13 flat 1/4 with that car and not one of these cars in this guys hands matched that. And to think I would have been scared to race any of them (well except the Ramble lol) Oh yeah and my 64 ran that 1/4 on H70 Goodyear polyglass tires on the rear and a powerglide tranny.

Results questionable, but the cars were fun to watch.

Wish I had seen it. What was the name of the show. Maybe they will reshow it.

Super Muscle Car Shootout. running again in about 5 minutes on the speed channel. Part of the Dream Car Garage series

I think this is TV's third attempt at this concept. The difference this time was they all had the same tires, mostly.

This show just sucks! Just like the previous ones, but for different reasons. That guy can't drive either. Watch him in the cones. Twitchy! No power shifting on most of the cars. Slow on most. Where's Dave Strickland when you need him?

Tell me a 70 LS-6 isn't a super muscle car.......How about an L-79 Nova? A 67 427 Vette? A 365 fulie? A Hemi anything? A modern muscle car?

No Hemi cars - Everyone wants to see a hemi Cuda in the running. I guess they're all for sale and none were available for testing??? The last one they had sucked anyway.

Even though they try to even the field, they still can't get it right. The Nova wasn't sorted out. WHY THE HELL NOT? GeeeeeeZE! What ever car was tweeked the most, wins? The guys that own these cars must not care or know how to make 'em run. Except for the Goat. They just 'have em', I guess.

Why not just televise the national event they have every year. The stock appearing muscla car shoot-out? Way more interesting than NASCAR!

i wouldnt wanna power shift a car worth as much as some houses and break something cuz that would suck major monkey balls

Rather somebody televise the Hot Rod Pump Gas Drags.

Anyone see it on the Speed channel?

Some awesome cars.

A 69 Baldwin Motion Camaro 427
a 69 427 Yenko Chevy Nova
a 440-6pack Super Bee From Mr Norm
a 69 GTO Royal Bobcat Ram Air IV
a 69 Hurst SC/Rambler 390
a 69 Shelby GT500

all 4 speed cars all rear end gears between 3.90 and 4.11 they said.
All using the same tires from Coker tires.

It was cool to see these incredible machines put through the paces. I do question the skill of the driver! How do you take a 11.5 sec. Baldwin Motion Camaro and turn a 13.42 ET?

All I can say is can I have my ol 64 Malibu SS back from 1974? Then can I race this guy for pinks on the tv show? I was shocked to see not one of these cars posting a better ET than I got back then from my built and bored 283 Malibu. I was able back then to run a 13 flat 1/4 with that car and not one of these cars in this guys hands matched that. And to think I would have been scared to race any of them (well except the Ramble lol) Oh yeah and my 64 ran that 1/4 on H70 Goodyear polyglass tires on the rear and a powerglide tranny.

Results questionable, but the cars were fun to watch.

Just for fun I recorder the times the cars ran, to compare with my best time in my 68, which was a 14.010, and that was the only pass I was able to make while really going for it. Hopefully it will be better in 2007.
Times might be off a tenth or two...
1. GTo = 13.04
2. Camaro = 13.41
3. Super bee = 13.83
4. Rambler = 13.87
5. Nova = 13.96
6. Mustang/Cobra = 14.08

Well at least I could of beat the Mustang..

Good show, but could of used a chevelle in it, but I might be biased.

i wouldnt wanna power shift a car worth as much as some houses and break something cuz that would suck major monkey balls
From what I saw he was power shifting SOME of them. Probably the ones that COULD be powershifted, like the ones equipped with a Hurst shifter such as the Hurst SC/Rambler. Anything with a factory Muncie shifter I don't think it would be wise to try it. That big, heavy GTO had to have more than just a Bobcat tune job on it to run the way it did. I'd bet it had a heavily breathed-on 455 to put out the HP to run those numbers in the 1/4 mile. Also a well sorted suspension.

"Supercars Magazine" back in 1969 tested a Ram Air IV automatic GTO with a TH400/3.90 gears.
0-60 5.1
1/4 mile 13.99 @ 107 MPH

I thought the show was great.
I also thought the Shelby and the Yenko Nova would have done much better,especially the Nova.
All in all,enjoyable for me :)

The shoot out was for 1969 cars only so no LS6 Chevelle.
They could have used a 427 COPO Chevelle but already had 2 Chevrolets in the mix.
If they spent a little time to get the cars to run right, would have made the shoot out more interesting.
The Motion Camaro should have been the quickest in the q-mile.
It was still a fun show to watch

All using the same tires from Coker tires.

The head honcho from Coker Tire and Peter both said that Coker Tire provided all the tires for the tests. I saw at least two cars with Goodyear Polyglas which Coker does not sell :confused: :confused:

At this point, after watching a bunch of the previous Dream Car Garage episodes over the years, I have little faith in what Peter says or does. This opinion came about after his total misrepresentation of a "restored back to factory condition" comment relative to the 69 Chevelle 300 Deluxe Post Coupe he had in his inventory a year or so ago.

This shooutout show was fun to watch due to some rather cool cars. I enjoyed it.

All the cars had leaf spring rear suspensions which really suck except the GTO. It has the 4 link and coil springs like my Chevelle. I have the adjustable 4 link which moves the instant center to give more front end lift and more weight transfer and 1.70 60 ft times.

Gary

Last time didn't they run an LS-6 Chevelle with a TH-400 and a 3.31 gear?
Why not bring a 4-spd 4.11 car and make it fair...?:yes:

I caught a little of last night's episode...man that Yenko Camaro even sounded nasty!:yes:

I thought it was pretty good. How many folks are willing to let their cars get DRIVEN the way they were on the show?

It is probably a reasonable representation of what most of those cars did when new.

I read somewhere years ago that the 69 Yenko Nova was supposed to be the fastest Yenko car made. It was supposed to do the 1/4 in 10.50's. What's with this one? Someone restored a 67 L-88 'Vette and did a show on it and it ran 13's. My Dad's brand new one ran mid 11's on stock tires (G7015's) Of course, his car was suspect. He bought it used in 67 and it had M/T finned aluminum valve covers on it when he bought it. The previous owner only had it for three months. No telling what he did to it.

I think they were running against a pretty good head wind, that has to be worth a few tenths. Add to that it was the first time the driver had driven each car. I still think he did a great job considering every car would have been different to drive.

In my opinion, the 67 Yenko Camaros were the quickest on average of the Yenko cars.
The average 67 Yenko Camaro was built as an AHRA legal drag car with headers, scatter shield, and traction bars. The 67 Yenko ads also show options for L88 engine, 4:88 gears and 2x4BB intake. These were options available on 67 Camaros sold through the Yenko Super Camaro network dealers.
Most of the 68 and later Yenkos were sold through the network dealers with exhaust manifolds and A.I.R. pumps to meet all Fed. Regulations. They did not receive the modifications on average that were done to the 67 Yenko Camaros. A few of the 1968 and 1969 Yenko cars were modified with hot rod parts but most were sold with original parts similar to a stock L78 396/375hp car except with 427 425hp short block or 427 COPO engine.

They didn’t show the engines but I believe the Yenko Nova has the stock exhaust manifolds on it.

The Motion Camaro has headers, 950cfm Holley, traction bars and other parts.
Anyone know if the GTO has headers on it?
Wasn't a fair shootout to run modified cars against stock but still cool to watch.

First of all, I'm a Chevrolet fan (obviously) that is partial to Nova and Chevelle. With that out of the way, that Nova had issues of some kind, IMHO, like the HEMI Challenger they had on the first version of the Muscle Car Shootout. There as an episode of DCG where he drove a Yenko Nova vs. a Yenko Camaro ('69), and it was no contest. The Nova was clearly quicker. Both of those cars, however, had traction bars and headers, and the Nova on the show yesterday didn't have either, from what I understand. The Motion car was like a Day 2 Hot Rod with traction bars, headers, an upgraded steering box, and other speed shop goodies from back in the day. If the Nova had traction bars and headers like the Motion Camaro did, I believe it would have came in second in the drags and in the 0-60. As for slalom and braking, none of those cars were built for that anyway :), especially a small car with a 427 stuffed in the engine bay!

The silver Canadian COPO Nova that runs in the Pure Stock? drags is faster than nearly all of those cars, at least on that show, except for the GTO. I think the LS-6 Chevelle that was on the first show was faster than most of the cars yesterday, IIRC.

It was still a fun show to watch, and that GTO was bada**.. I don't think anything was taking it down :o

They showed under the hood of both the Camaro and the Nova....they both had exhaust manifolds.

This is from memory so I could be wrong...but, I'm pretty sure any magazine test from back then is going to show these cars in the 13's at best, no 11's and few, if any 12's. A few of the super factory backed cars probably ran 12's and mayby 11's but we're talking aluminum front end, swiss cheese frame, and engines not avaiable to the general public, not the ones you bought off the showroom floor.

I have an old drag racing book which I'll use to look this up, so it won't be "from memory" anymore.:)

The Yenko Nova and Motion Camaro are from the Kevin S collection.
On his web site it shows the Yenko Nova with exhaust manifolds and A.I.R.

The Motion Camaro has no engine picture but text states the car has headers, 950cfm Holley, traction bars and other parts.

Kevin S collection
http://corvettes-musclecars.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi

I remember some original 1960s-70s road tests with cars running low 13s but don't recall any car in the 12s without headers or some extra tuning

The Yenko Nova and Motion Camaro are from the Kevin S collection.
On his web site it shows the Yenko Nova with exhaust manifolds and A.I.R.

The Motion Camaro has no engine picture but text states the car has headers, 950cfm Holley, traction bars and other parts.

Kevin S collection
http://corvettes-musclecars.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi

I remember some original 1960s-70s road tests with cars running low 13s but don't recall any car in the 12s without headers or some extra tuning

That is exactly what Peter Klutt? said...The Motion Camaro was a Phase 3 car, meaning it had all the upgrades that were available from Motion. I doubt that anything but the top Motion Car would have received an upgraded steering box, FWIW.

Still, a great show! Its always fun to watch those shows.

I never heard of The Motion upgrading a steering box in 1969. I have an 80s Motion car that has suspension upgrades but don't think they did it in 1969.

Also noticed that one of the guys said Motion had Phase I, II, III up grades but this is not true. They just used Phase III as a name for the top level car and used the name Phase III on some of the products such as the Motion Phase III CD box.

Pontiac was the quickest? yeah, sounds about right :D :hurray:

The Ram Air 4's were nothing to sneeze at....Lot of nice goodies on that engine package. Real nice exhaust manifolds and a 2 piece intake. Not too uncommon to find a set a 4.30's in the rear also.

i only saw part of it. my wife wanted to watch a show on discovery. being i was too lazy, i just switched back and forth between comercials.
i think it was a cool show to watch. watching old school muscle battling it out. wish there was a chevelle but thats ok.