I was looking at buying a miller 110v welder for around $700. I came across this Hobart for about the same price and it comes with a free cart and free shipping! It is also a 230v welder! What do you guys think? Thanks!
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200328799_200328799

There has been a lot of threads on welders, I got into some on hotrodders and camaro etc.

Lincolns 110 has a plastic drive wheel, my welding supply here sells both kinds, and I can't tell you what he told me, but I bought the miller.

Hobarts, one full time body guy says the hobarts set in the corner and they use the millers, also something about the hobarts and speed control or voltage one of the two is not as adjustable as the millers.

I am not partial to any car or welder or any name brand, but I will buy what works. If it doesn't work good, I will go get one that will.

I had a 110 side kick for years, gave it to my boys because the fan was getting noisy, it never broke down, went out and bought another 110 miller.

My neighbor out of body shop school, 23 of them about three years ago, thats all they trained with was miller 110's

A 110 will weld anything on a car or 1/2 ton pickup, and the new ones really weld nice.

Don't even think twice, go get that miller, get a good sized tank with it, argon/co2 mix. If you get a good sized tank, you aren't looking at it and wondering when its gonna run out.:(

There going to be on me about cutting these other welders down, but I like to stir the pot a little once in a while.

Don't even think about anything bigger then a 110, you need a heavy duty extension cord with the 220 set up, these bigger machines just get in the way in a body shop.

There, that should do it.

One last thing, I'm 65 years old, and a lot of old guys don't have the patience to deal with some substandard welder. If I couldn't use a miller, I'd hang up the strap.

Rob

Oh those 220 machines, those are for the guys that have to feed there ego's.:)

Thanks for the advice Rob! I have been using my dads 220v miller. I think it was around $2400. Awesome welder! He thought I should get a 220v since I also build utility trailers, but I'm sure a 110v would be sufficient. I have a Miller dealer 10 minutes from my house so I guess I'll stop in and see what they have. Thanks again!

If you're building trailers, the 110 has a duty cycle you probably won't like, have to stop every few minutes. Where body work is not a concern on a 110.

Rob

I have a Millermatic 150 230V machine (13 years) and love it, Never had a problem. I also comparead them to Lincolns at the same time & chose the Miller for various reasons.

LK

If your going to be doing alot of sheetmetal I would buy the 110v. I have a Hobart 175, 220v and sometimes I can't turn it down far enough to weld thin sheetmetal. You can always turn it up, just you duty cycle will be short.

Hobart and Miller are the same thing...model for model.
My Hobart 175 came out of the box brand new with a Miller gun.

I have a Hobart 135 with gas. It's my first MIG, but so far I don't have any complaints.

Other guy in my car club either have a Miller 110 or Lincoln.

The only thing they all agree is to go with gas, and a better than bargin priced auto darkening helmet.:cool:

I bought the Lincoln Weldpak 3200 from Home Depot. It's the same as the 140 I think. 110v. No complaints yet and I paid around $550.

I own a Miller tig/stick , Lincoln MIG 220v with gas , both were a pain to try and weld body work so I bought a $199.00 cheapo from Harbor Freight tools it's a 110v innersheild wire feed I use it the most now for what I'm doing on my car.
You can lug it in anywhere and it works great on small sheet metal , the other machines are better on anything above sheet metal , the small machine will weld 1/4" but it wont do a good job and the welds wont hold good.
The Home Depot Lincoln MIG with gas and a cheapo 110v wire feed will fit your needs just fine and you can get them both for that $700 you want to spend , I just bought a $199.00 unit from Walmart yesterday for my son's Christmas present he is building a mini truck.

I use a miller 175 with gas, bought it on ebay new, great price and free shipping, I think it was a shop out of oregon. check it out you can get alot of killer deals there. but price them out first, I save about $75.00 than going down and picking one up.

2cool, thats a pretty nice christmas present for your son.

Rob

I have welded for years, and used a kinds of welders, and always ended up with a Miller. I have a Miller 210 it works great on body work, and heavy work.

Phil

I own a Miller tig/stick , Lincoln MIG 220v with gas , both were a pain to try and weld body work so I bought a $199.00 cheapo from Harbor Freight tools it's a 110v innersheild wire feed I use it the most now for what I'm doing on my car.
You can lug it in anywhere and it works great on small sheet metal , the other machines are better on anything above sheet metal , the small machine will weld 1/4" but it wont do a good job and the welds wont hold good.
The Home Depot Lincoln MIG with gas and a cheapo 110v wire feed will fit your needs just fine and you can get them both for that $700 you want to spend , I just bought a $199.00 unit from Walmart yesterday for my son's Christmas present he is building a mini truck.

I bought one of those last year and I don't have any complaints. I don't use it very much, so I bought a cheap one. It works fine for me.

I have welded for years, and used a kinds of welders, and always ended up with a Miller. I have a Miller 210 it works great on body work, and heavy work.
Phil

Agreed a miller is the defacto standard but everyone can't shell out 2 grand and up ,for them and the better welds would be wasted on a novice anyway.
Better to get started with something and work your way up my next purchase for myself will be a Hobart plasma cutter I just can't think of enough stuff to cut that I would need a $1500 machine made just for cutting for.:cool:
Greg

I bought the miller because I think its a really good welder, and the other reason, is I am not a good welder, but having a good welder can help out a poor welder. So if a mediocre welder buys a good welder and gets a welder that has used a good welder he could be a good welder with a good welder.

How do you like that one?

Heres more, I'm a roll.

I bought the welder from a welder, that had a welder friend that welded welders.

Rob

Thats funny you had me going crossed eyed for a minute I thought I was reading the same line over and over.

Hobart and Miller are the same thing...model for model.
My Hobart 175 came out of the box brand new with a Miller gun.

I bought a new hobart 140 and it to came with a miller gun. I don't weld much or anything very thick but it works just fine for what I use it for.

I had a thread a couple weeks ago in the body shop forum asking about a Lincoln sp 175 welder. Lots of good replies.

Search it. This has been gone over but I will give my you my .02 again. Ok heres how it goes.
1. Buy a welder that has infinite voltage and wire speed control.
2. If you like to build trailers (welding frames etc) buy a 220v.
3. Buy a welder built from quality parts, not plastic.
4. (this might sound closed minded, but it's from experience)... buy a miller. I have welded with lincolns, hobarts, millers, etc. The miller's lay a far better weld in general, have better weld control, quality parts, and the 220 will give you the power you want as long as you have the resources to have a 220 hook up. Look in the Ebay stores, you'll find a good deal on a 220 with the cart with free shipping I'm sure. Shop around, spend a few extra dollars, you will be very happy with your purchase. Gas is a must, but get it locally. I must say, if you like to weld trailer frames.... 220 is a MUST for you... I love my miller 110 but for structural stuff I would say 220 is mandatory.

I bought a 110 machine from the Matco tool guy almost 20 years ago and still have it and have very few complaints, I wish I knew who made these welders for them. The next purchase for me is a tig (probablly a Miller) for building trailers a 220 lincoln buzz box works real good and can be had cheap. (I have one of those too) In the end it all depends what you want.

4. (this might sound closed minded, but it's from experience)... buy a miller. I have welded with lincolns, hobarts, millers, etc. The miller's lay a far better weld in general, have better weld control, quality parts, and the 220 will give you the power you want as long as you have the resources to have a 220 hook up. Look in the Ebay stores, you'll find a good deal on a 220

After much shopping and comparing I would say stay away from Ebay for items you can buy locally the main reason is a lot of stuff on there are just bought and re-sold from a store and then you have to ship it. (good for hard to find stuff though)

After much shopping and comparing I would say stay away from Ebay for items you can buy locally the main reason is a lot of stuff on there are just bought and re-sold from a store and then you have to ship it. (good for hard to find stuff though)

I respectfully disagree. I bought my last two Miller welders here: http://store.cyberweld.com/tigwelders1.html. Cheapest place I could find and several hundred dollars less than local welding store. Service was great and I received the welders within a week. By the way, Hobart is made by Miller.

MERRY CHRISTMAS
Steve

I was referring to Ebay I buy alot of tools online from tool companys, I see stuff that people buy and raise the price and resale it.
You have to be careful getting ebay stuff is what I meant.
I like Northerntools.com and Harborfreight.com,Sears.com
And now I like cyberweld.com too:hurray:

I have 2 lincolns both 220v and both used alot..
never had a problem...
they are over ten years old now...

True, you do have to do some homework to make sure that "great deal" you're getting online is what you think it is. But isn't that true with everything, online or in person? I bought my 110 from this place - http://stores.ebay.com/Welding-Supplies-from-IOC . It's an ebay store, I didn't want to drop my hard earned money with just anyone so I went to the store. Brand new welder, from a dealer. Sure the convenience of getting it locally is nice, but for the money I saved I couldn't afford to do it locally. Anyway, they were awesome to deal with and had super fast shipping. I would definately go straight to them if I was to buy another welder. Anyway I got mine with a cart with free shipping for a great price and great service. Not some guy with a few of them out of his garage that is raising the price, and they didn't "fall off the back of a truck". Not saying all the other welders are junk but I think the miller is a superior machine, period. Not everyone can afford one, given, I was going to buy a hobart (owned by miller) but waited a few weeks and saved up the extra cash for the miller. So glad I did, never regretted it. I'm sure you would be happy with a number of other machines, but in my experience I was always far happier with the miller.

Just wanted to give my .02. I am a machinist/welder in the air force. All we use are miller machines. In my opinion they are best out there. I have been building a 70 chevelle for a year now and when i came to doing bodywork I did some research and bought a hobart. I picked up the 140 handler new off ebay for like 240. It works great for everything I need it to do. After some searching and like stated before Hobart is made by miller so you are getting the same great product just a little cheapier. http://toolking.com/search/expressSearch.seam?criteria=categoryId&categoryId=323&keyword=hobart this is a link to another site that sells welders at a good price. These are for factory reconditioned units. They also sell new. Good luck with your new purchase

so for body work a 110v is ideal but what about for welding on the frame can a 110v handle it or would you need something a little better?

so for body work a 110v is ideal but what about for welding on the frame can a 110v handle it or would you need something a little better?
110v would be fine for welding on frames!

110v would be fine for welding on frames!

It will be for small frame repairs but not for rebuilding it has a small 20% workload.
Anything more than a few welds here and there a 220v would be better although a 220v will be hot on the lowest settings for sheet metal.
So to sum it up light frame repairs would be the borderline for a 110v unit.

so if i had to say box a crossmember or fraim rails for say an ls1 conversion or truckarm kit would A 110v cut it or should the 220v be used.

My son used a 110v to install his shock mounts on his mini truck and they broke one at a time, he went back and used my 220v rig and its fine now.