I was thinking about this for some time now. I know Chuck has banned the parking lot burnouts and I have to agree with him, safety is definitely an issue. I have pictures from the BW parking lot with young kids only a few feet from a rapidly rotating tire, not a good scene.

But I also can't help but feel a bit of disappointment that the burnouts are going away, and I do believe I am not alone in this disappointment.

It has been suggested to have a burnout contest at the drag strip, that would be OK but for me it wouldn't replace a good spur of the moment burnout. With this idea, we would only get to see good burnouts if we went to the drag strip and watched, which is only one night. Also, I see that as more of a burnout contest type thing where you melt your tires into the pavement. Fun to watch sure, but how many are going to do that to their tires and then drive the car back home with junk tires? To me a good mild burnout/ slow launch type thing seems better. Which this is what most of the burnouts in the parking lots were, at least that I observed.

So what is the answer to this, and what is Chuck willing to do if anything?

One thought I had was to see if the parking lot across the street from the hotels, (the grocery store not K mart) would allow a small area for burnouts. That would take care of keeping it close to the hotels and in an area that wouldn't have expensive cars parked near-by. This doesn't solve the safety issue though.

I wonder if the city, under the pretense of keeping dangerous burnouts off their streets, would help out by placing 100' of concrete barrier in the parking lot perhaps. Even better would be a double 100' line of concrete barriers. This way, if somebody gets the urge they can pull their car between the barriers and have some safe fun.

Also this would keep folks that may have had a bit more to drink than they should have from driving all over town doing burnouts. We could all walk over to see a burnout if we wanted, and the hotel parking lots are not getting beat up. I would hope no body would drink a bit too much then hop into their chevelle, but should they, a concrete barrier will keep them from stupidly hurting anybody else. Also the noise would get a bit further from the hotels then as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions, good or bad? Am I treading in water I shouldn't be?

Jeff

I'm with you, Jeff :thumbsup: :thumbsup: That parking lot would be PERFECT, but I'm not sure you could get it past the powers that be.....

I'm with you, Jeff :thumbsup: :thumbsup: That parking lot would be PERFECT, but I'm not sure you could get it past the powers that be.....


In my head, (lord knows what goes on in there), the only powers that be that need to go along with it would be the parking lot owners. Whether that be the grocery store or whoever owns the buildings and leases them out, whatever.

Granted Chuck would have to go for it as well, but as far as local police, it would be in a private parking lot. I would think the police would rather see something set up safely like that, than on their streets. Also a thought would be to possibly at say 7:00 pm until 5:00am shut down the street between the hotels and the grocery store, and allow only cars with valid hotel registrations to get through. This would keep public traffic out of the area, and would eliminate another variable.

A bit of planning and this could be put together very easily I think. As long as the parking lot owners would go for it.

Jeff

Sorry but I don't see an easy solution to the problem. While a cordoned off area in a shopping center parking lot might be a better idea than burnouts in hotel parking lots, I don't think anyone would voluntarily allow it on their property. The liability risk is too great. And even if they could, why would they want to? Everything to lose and nothing to gain. Same goes for the local police. I don't think in my wildest dreams a police dept is going to say, "Burnouts in the public streets are OK, go right ahead". If anything happened, lawyers and the media would have a field day with that. As far as at the track, everyone that races can burn out to their heart's content in the water box just before pulling up to the starting line. I don't have the answer, but if people just HAVE to do them, the confines of hotel parking lots are just NOT THE PLACE. Chuck has little or no direct control over what happens after hours at the hotels but I think he could ruin someone's CB and/or prevent them from participating the event ever again if he so desires. IMO when it comes down to it, every burnout conducted in public, whether in a parking lot or on the street, increases the chances for losing Chevellabration in Goodlettsville in the future.

We had the same issue with burnouts in the Holiday Inn parking lot. So I asked BOTH the Holiday Inn management and our liability carrier about it... and the net/net result was :eek:

SMOKE 'EM IF YOU GOT 'EM GENTLEMEN! :cool:

We even cleared it with the local fuzz.

Of course, that's Niagara Falls ( and one reason we're no longer an ACES regional! ), not Chevelleabration.

As a numbers guy/biz owner by trade, I certainly understand liability. On the other hand, I am an irreverent sob ( ask the CIA!) , and if I or my boys want to smoke 'em, and the owner of the parking lot says OK.... ITS ON!

But, you know, this coming from the club president who revs up Old Red to the MOON and ALMOST wiped out into Bob Runk's convertible and bought him a $5000 paint job. All on our "show field". Oh well, no one would've got hurt but my savings account!

Chuck saw that move, which is why he thinks so highly of me! :rolleyes: NOT!

Hey, if you didnt come to have fun, keep your dead arse home. Chirst, anyone of us could die tomorrow from damn cancer or an annurism. Wiithin limits, I will NEVER live life walking on eggshells. Too short. Too Much Fun. Plus, I figure I;m on borrowed time anyway. SHould been dead in '88.

LIVE IT UP!

(just dont do burnouts at CB I guess)

I don't see the problem if properly set up for safety. Done all the time in the northwest (my home). Safe burn out boxes are not that complex.

I would also like to see a 'loud pipe' contest. Just another FUN event.

I don't see the problem if properly set up for safety. Done all the time in the northwest (my home). Safe burn out boxes are not that complex.

I would also like to see a 'loud pipe' contest. Just another FUN event.


That was my thought as well. Setting up a safe area to let the guys do burnouts is very easily accomplished. I am not and never once suggested letting them happen on the streets, that is why I suggested setting up an area in a parking lot, to keep them off the streets.

I have to disagree with you Von on your comment that every public burnout increases the chance of losing chevelleabration forever. It's my opinion that if a safe area were put together to do burnouts, not only would the police be much happier as they would not have to be driving all over town to catch people burning on the streets, the public would take notice that the type of people that come to CB are responsible as well.

As far as why would anyone let that happen on their property, it happens all the time. I am not saying (I do believe I pointed it out as well) not sitting in one place chewing up the blacktop. Rather mild burnouts/slow speed launch types. This would not ruin a parking lot. The vast majority of car shows I go to have burn out contests put together for this very reason, to give the guys a safe place to do it off the streets. I can't say as though I have ever been to a show that the people putting on the show owned the property. Which means they were all done on someone elses property.

This may not be the answer, but a burnout contest at the track is not either in my opinion. I don't recall seeing a single burnout last year that was pre planned to be done. Pretty much everything I saw was a spur of the moment type thing. Every time someone gets the urge, are they supposed to run out to music city raceway? It's nice to think the urge wouldn't happen, but let's face the truth here, 100's of car guys all gathered together-now add alcohol and lots of it.

Jeff

Let me clear something up here. I am not trying to cause trouble, or fight for something that others want gone.

I have however seen many a good carshow go to the wayside due to burnouts being done on the streets. I guess I would rather see something done now to prevent problems like that, than to wait until the city doen't want us back and Chuck looks like an...well you know.

Burnouts in the parking lot of the hotels is stupid and dangerous, I think probably 95% of us can agree on that. But by saying no more burnouts in the hotel parking lots, is that going to end burnouts all together or is it going to push them out to the street? From past experiences, they are going to end up on the street.

Being proactive now may keep Chuck from having to be reactive in the near future.

Jeff

Safe burn out boxes are not that complex.

I would also like to see a 'loud pipe' contest.

Maybe BOTH "events" could be arranged to take place at the Music City drag strip on that Thursday night.
That's where I've been doing my burnouts... ;)

Maybe BOTH "events" could be arranged to take place at the Music City drag strip on that Thursday night.
That's where I've been doing my burnouts... ;)

I agree 100%, I mean you will be at a raceway, do it there and save yourselves the headache of a possible accident or lawsuit.

If you just Have to do it in a parking lot, get pre-approval, rope off an area and keep pedestrians at least 100 feet away from the designated area.

Maybe BOTH "events" could be arranged to take place at the Music City drag strip on that Thursday night.
That's where I've been doing my burnouts... ;)

That sounds like the perfect answer! Doing burnouts where it's perfectly acceptable to do so.


Rocky

You mean this parking lot?
http://www.chevelle-ss.com/Members_Pages/Mike_S_files/p6150001_small.jpg
http://www.chevelle-ss.com/Members_Pages/Mike_S_files/p6150001.jpg

I doubt you will get out-right permission from anybody to do burnouts. Unless the snot-nosed employee just doesn't give a hoot. Good luck holding that up in court, "but judge, Apoo said I could do it... honest." After all, It isn't exactly good for the pavement. ;)

Besides, it doesn't matter where you go, the dense kiddies will always find you like a bug finds light.

I can se e it all now...
There's the large group sitting at the BW and off in the distance you will hear rubber screaching. Someone will get the itch. And like a crack pipe they'll have to pick up the keys and go off in a corner somewhere's to do their own little burnout. :D

I will be bringing the convertible car this year, and it's wimpy motor probably wont do such a good burnout. :( but at least I'll have a valid excuse other than, I don't want to because it isn't safe!! :D

You mean this parking lot?
http://www.chevelle-ss.com/Members_Pages/Mike_S_files/p6150001_small.jpg
http://www.chevelle-ss.com/Members_Pages/Mike_S_files/p6150001.jpg
:D

Anyone else notice the cop car in the background???

Having planned a few car shows, I will say that the community in general appreciates a contained show. This would include sound and smoke. Believe it or not, there's some people who would have no problem calling about some reckless hoodlums (us) being too loud and maybe a possible fire (tiresmoke).

The track would be the best place. They should have no problem with it, are set up for it, and since you'll be there anyway... do it there.

To me this subject is ridiculous. Bottom line is, burn outs ain't gonna happen on the streets, hotel parking lots, or any other place in Goodletsville. If they wanna do it at the track, and it's OK'ed by the track owners, fine. Why risk having the entire show thrown out of Goodletsville, just for a few childish burn outs. Whats the big deal watching smoke coming off rear wheels? We've all seen it. Now that it's become a legal/safety issue, just don't do it. It's a car SHOW, not a drag racing event in the hotel parking lots. If you can't play by the rules, stay home, so the rest of us can enjoy the show for many years to come. To me it's a no brainer:confused: :confused:

I attended CB01 and CB02 and I don't recall burnout contests in the parking lots nor do I recall hearing any on the streets all weekend. And the event was still enthusiastically enjoyed by all.

The track is the place for this stuff and doing burnouts and loud pipe demonstrations there will also do little to impact the general public who are not involved in the event thus providing little to no negative impact from such activities. I really can't imagine a local business giving the okay for such an activity as the noise, crowds and potential liability only have the potential for, at least temporarily, driving away their paying customers.

The way I see it, outside of the race track environment, there are lots of good reasons to NOT have burn out or loud pipe contests and no good reason to do so.

That was my thought as well. Setting up a safe area to let the guys do burnouts is very easily accomplished. I am not and never once suggested letting them happen on the streets, that is why I suggested setting up an area in a parking lot, to keep them off the streets.

I have to disagree with you Von on your comment that every public burnout increases the chance of losing chevelleabration forever. It's my opinion that if a safe area were put together to do burnouts, not only would the police be much happier as they would not have to be driving all over town to catch people burning on the streets, the public would take notice that the type of people that come to CB are responsible as well.

As far as why would anyone let that happen on their property, it happens all the time. I am not saying (I do believe I pointed it out as well) not sitting in one place chewing up the blacktop. Rather mild burnouts/slow speed launch types. This would not ruin a parking lot. The vast majority of car shows I go to have burn out contests put together for this very reason, to give the guys a safe place to do it off the streets. I can't say as though I have ever been to a show that the people putting on the show owned the property. Which means they were all done on someone elses property.

This may not be the answer, but a burnout contest at the track is not either in my opinion. I don't recall seeing a single burnout last year that was pre planned to be done. Pretty much everything I saw was a spur of the moment type thing. Every time someone gets the urge, are they supposed to run out to music city raceway? It's nice to think the urge wouldn't happen, but let's face the truth here, 100's of car guys all gathered together-now add alcohol and lots of it.

Jeff
Bottom line as far as Chevellabration at Goodlettsville goes, it's held at Moss-Wright Park. It's usage is controlled by the City of Goodlettsville. Chuck has to get the approval of the city fathers every year to have CB at the park. You think if the city fathers get enough complaints from the public and/or police they would hesitate to say no?

Wow! Here we go again! Ya know, I like a good burnout as much as the next person, and maybe I'm getting to be an old fart, but anymore the benefit(s) of having burnouts outside of a controlled environment simply don't outweigh the risks involved. Jeff, I understand the need for spontaneity; shoot that's what creates half the fun. However, I'm assuming that we're all adults here and understand that no matter what we do in life, we have to "play by the rules." And to exacerbate the problem, most times the rules are being made by "someone else," without our enlightened input. Doesn't matter if you're talking about smokin' the tires or or smokin' something else, if you do it at the wrong time and wrong place, you're the one liable to get burned... not just the tires.

Regardless of how you look a things, Von's absolutley correct... the real bottom line here is: Liability and exposure. Most of us have more than just little chump change tied up in our Chevelles. But before many of us could justify spending hte first nickel on our rides we first take care of our other responsibilities: Home mortgages, kid's educations, clothes, food, utilities. You get the idea. And some of us have even managed to invest a bit of the money left over and turned it into a nest egg for our later years. Now I don't know about y'all, but I'd hate to lose everything I've worked so hard for all of my life over a brief moment of insanity, regardless of how sweet the moment was at the time.

So, I've come to an agreement with the management of Music City Raceway to setup a Smoke Fest at the Thurday night drags. Check this link: http://www.musiccityraceway.com/Chevelle%20Shootout%2006.htm

The rules are: Open to anybody that's paid admission to the track, Spectator or Competitor; Limited to the first 25 to sign up for the Smoke Fest; Must limit the burnout to 1 minute (Think that's not enough? Just watch your second hand make it's trip around the clock one time); and finally, Must be willing to sign a waiver.

Keep in mind that we have to get the drags in that night, too, so that's why the limit on sign-ups and amount of time smokin' the tires.

OK, now back to the question of "Why not have the BO's in the parking lot across the street?" First of all, I doubt that any business or property owner would allow that to happen with their blessing. Why? See the comment above on liability/exposure. But just for giggles, let's say there's a person willing to risk everything so a bunch of gearheads can have their fun in his parking lot. Someone suggested placing barriers to contain the "fun." Cool. But where do they come from? Does the city pay to rent them and the equipment needed to put them in place? If not the city, then who? The county? The state? If we are even able to engage them in a discussion about this, how do we sell them on the fact that it'll be "good" for them? ie: More revenues brought in from tire sales... or beer sales... or more restaurant and hotel revenues because folks are making the trek to Goodlettsville just to witness this incredible spectacle? Here's what I've learned in my dealings with bureaucracies, whether at the local, state or even national level: Somebody in authority has to recognize a benefit (financial is preferred) for it to become reality. I think it'd be a hard sell no matter how well the idea is presented.

Also, who is willing to become the administrator/coordinator of this effort? It's easy to come up with ideas (Believe me, I have plenty of my own that I have a hard time bringing to fruition), but setting a plan in motion and carrying that plan to its obvious conclusion is where the REAL effort lies. Anybody ready to step up?

So from my perspective, the plan has several major obstacles to overcome before it can happen: 1) Dealing with the liability/exposure issues; 2) Money. The location, equipment and other logistics aren't gonna come without a price; 3) Somebody to take charge and assume the risk and responsibility; 4) Safety planning. How ya gonna keep everyone within a safe distance to mitigate the chance of personal injury? 5) Insurance. Just in case something "bad" does happen...

I'd also be willing to bet that the "powers that be" would insist that medical personnel be on site "just in case," and also the Police for crowd control, safety, ingress/egress, and so on. And of course, paying for off-duty officers and medical personnel, plus an ambulance isn't gonna come cheap? How do I know? Trust me, BTDT.

So, do a little math, or just try a bit of "what if" thinking, and see what the REAL cost is for a night of tire smoke and frivolity. Chances are you'll arrive at the same conclusion many here already have. Is it really worth it to be spontaneous?

Finally, Gene, please don't bring the burnout issue up here as "one of the reasons" why the Grand Island event is no longer an ACES Regional. The real reasons were thoroughly discussed in another thread in the "Cruisin" forum: http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147773&highlight=northern+ohio. However, if you recall, YOU wrote the letter telling me that you had carried the brunt of the event load on your shoulders for the past four years, you were getting burnt out, and weren't having any luck getting volunteers to assist with the planning and execution. And during the phone conversation I placed subsequent to receiving your letter, as the current President of the CanAm Club you reliquished the Regional status and suggested that we try to find another host club for it. I was merely following your suggestion when I solicited the help from the Northern Ohio Chevelle Club. I also am at a loss, Gene, as to why you believe I think less of you because of your parking lot antics. That's simply not the case. I appreciate everything you've done for the hobby, the CanAm Chevelle Club, and for ACES. As far as I'm concerned, you're a great guy who has given tremendously of your time, talent, and energy for the betterment of the hobby. So whaddya say we quit pointing fingers, kiss and make up, and get on with having fun with our Chevelles?

We had burnouts at a local show in an area away from the show and with the cars headed in a safe direction. Since I can't bring my car this year, I'll have to support you as a spectator.

Chuck's idea is great! Let's watch the 25 participants and move on to the rest of the events. Something for everyone.

Thanks for the thoughts Chuck, like I said earlier, it was merely a thought. Considering the body of my car is about 3 feet above the frame, I seriously doubt my car will make the trip this year either. I have no personal stake in the issue, and it doesn't effect me at all.

As I said, I have been to many shows that do have organized burnout areas and it does a good job of keeping the local police happy. If nobody gets antsy and trys it on the street, then their is nothing to worry about anyways.

Jeff

By the way Chuck, if you read this may I make a diffrent suggestion that has nothing to do with burnouts?

Perhaps in the goody bag you give out with registration you could include a map to musiccity raceway and perhaps even the cruise route. I now last year a good number of folks got lost on the way to the drags when the cruise to musiccity got seperated. Same thing for the friday night cruise, that line of cars gets awfully long and if someone in the middle hits a light, it can throw everybody behind off. I know last year their were times when we only saw a few other chevelles and thought we were all lost. We did eventually make it to the speedway, but for awhile we were uncertain.

Just food for thought.

Jeff

Considering the body of my car is about 3 feet above the frame, I seriously doubt my car will make the trip this year either.

Ohhh, so NOW the truth comes out! :D

I had an enthusiast-epiphany today...
There is no way on God's green earth that not experiencing even a single Chevelle burnout at chevelle-abration 2007 will make me take home any less than a wonderful experience in compairison to years past. :cool:

THAT is a good enough bottom line for anybody to agree with.

I know last year a good number of folks got lost on the way to the drags when the cruise to musiccity got seperated.

Amen.
I got lost this past year with Tom Parson and had to call Bill Burke to get straightened out. This was my 4th show!!! :sad:

Amen.
I got lost this past year with Tom Parson and had to call Bill Burke to get straightened out. This was my 4th show!!! :sad:


I suspect you missed the sharp right you have to take suddenly?!

Had I not been warned of it, I wouldn't have caught it either. As it is we missed it first time by, but saw it as we were going by.

A map wouldn't have to be elaborate by any means, or it could be as simple as a written set of directions. If the only burnouts are going to be at the drags, then I don't want to get lost looking for them.
Jeff

Maps are passed out at the line up in the park every afternoon before departing a particular cruise. This is assuming you leave from the park.
I've still got map/directions to Music City in my truck that was given out 3 yrs ago.
Been there 5 times in the last 5 years and STILL don't remember how to get there. :clonk:

Maps are passed out at the line up in the park every afternoon before departing a particular cruise. This is assuming you leave from the park.
I've still got map/directions to Music City in my truck that was given out 3 yrs ago.
Been there 5 times in the last 5 years and STILL don't remember how to get there. :clonk:


We didn't get them for either cruise last year. Well to be fair we didn't do the cruise to the drags, we found our way there later. But I know of quite a few that must not have gotten them either as they all ended up lost and back to the hotels.

I think I could actually find my way to the drags without a map now if I had too.

Jeff

Jeff,
No, we made that turn. With Tom's trailor in tow, locking up the aluminum drums as we power slid into the turn. :D What we missed was that next left turn by some whitish house/church/school looking building.

Glenn,
No worries about fitting in. You'll do just fine. That picture of you between the two tire marks looks like something from Back to the Future... (you being the scientist guy). :D ;)

Maybe I'm the grumpiest ole' fart in the bunch, but the attraction to burnouts has always mystified me. I think it's an insanely unnecessary activity that proves NOTHING...................... no driver skill required, no real horsepower required, loud and makes the air stink for people who just want to talk to other car guys and admire the cars, ruins perfectly good tires, and risks severe damage to previously undamaged sheet metal. Hell, a 4 banger wih a windshield washer pump squritin' bleach at the back tires will smoke em til they blow, so what's the point & where's the fun? I just don't get it.:confused: :confused: :confused:

Ditto on the maps! I was riding with Dan Williams, and we were very lost, with about 3-4 other chevelles ahead of us, and at least 10 behind us, making U-turns etc.... we hit the interstate, and just took that back to the hotel. :(

I suspect you missed the sharp right you have to take suddenly?!

Had I not been warned of it, I wouldn't have caught it either. As it is we missed it first time by, but saw it as we were going by.

I think that was the same righ turn Jason made at 90+ MPH:clonk:and my big truck of course I had to keep on going...

Been there 5 times in the last 5 years and STILL don't remember how to get there. :clonk:
You're not alone Bill :). I've turned around in that little church 3 years in a row now b/c I got lost. I never have a problem getting back to the hotel thoug, especially when I'm behind a certain blue 70 convertible with dropped exhaust and a trailer :D :D :D. I love following Tom Parsons back on those desolate woodsy roads at night!

By the way Chuck, if you read this may I make a diffrent suggestion that has nothing to do with burnouts?

Perhaps in the goody bag you give out with registration you could include a map to musiccity raceway and perhaps even the cruise route. I now last year a good number of folks got lost on the way to the drags when the cruise to musiccity got seperated. Same thing for the friday night cruise, that line of cars gets awfully long and if someone in the middle hits a light, it can throw everybody behind off. I know last year their were times when we only saw a few other chevelles and thought we were all lost. We did eventually make it to the speedway, but for awhile we were uncertain.

Just food for thought.

Jeff

Hey! Stop telling stories like that! We were not lost, just challenged a bit! Let's see, we stopped at least three times for directions, including once to ask a police officer directions only to learn those were wrong too! You would sure think an officer of the law would know the directions to the local track. We did meet some good folks along the way that were as challenged as we were! Thank goodness those kids at the gas station knew where to send us! :)

Great idea Jeff!

Maps are passed out at the line up in the park every afternoon before departing a particular cruise. This is assuming you leave from the park.
I've still got map/directions to Music City in my truck that was given out 3 yrs ago.
Been there 5 times in the last 5 years and STILL don't remember how to get there. :clonk:

We left from the park and still managed to meet at least a dozen others that were lost. From what I remember the map was missing a turn or two? We eventually found our way.

Hey! Stop telling stories like that! We were not lost, just challenged a bit! Let's see, we stopped at least three times for directions, including once to ask a police officer directions only to learn those were wrong too! You would sure think an officer of the law would know the directions to the local track. We did meet some good folks along the way that were as challenged as we were! Thank goodness those kids at the gas station knew where to send us! :)

Great idea Jeff!

Hey not everything that comes out is retarded!:clonk:

If I hadn't brought my laptop along with streets and trips on it, we would not have found the track at all. I just had to put in musiccity raceway into the locator and it pulled it right up.

Jeff

I think that was the same righ turn Jason made at 90+ MPH:clonk:and my big truck of course I had to keep on going...
Ha!!!! You're just jealous you can't make the kind of hairpin turns required I picked up from all that NASCAR experience down at Daytona:thumbsup:. You also forgot to mention I cut across three (3) lanes of traffic to do it. Two words Babe..... Super Sport.

I never have a problem getting back to the hotel thoug, especially when I'm behind a certain blue 70 convertible with dropped exhaust and a trailer :D :D :D. I love following Tom Parsons back on those desolate woodsy roads at night!

LOL, I followed Tom back to the hotel last year, it was a LOT of fun carving those turns in the 69... And there's no way you'd loose Tom in his uncorked 70, you can hear hime for miles on those dark country roads :D

This has nothing to do with the CB07 burnouts but I'd like to share. In Kingston Mi. every year the local cop puts on the burnouts on a street in front of the high school. (might of moved to the side last year) - He is really cool and he stands beside the car & tells you when to go. No limitations on time but he does not want a 50' set of S's laid out. I bet there are close to 1,000 people at this thing. I have seen pictures with a car doing a massive burnout with him just barely visible through the smoke. And at the end of it he does a burnout in the police car with the lights & siren going, Unbelieveable to say the least.

LK

One thing that hasn't been mentioned much about burnouts is that they are illegal (if I'm not mistaken). That really complicates things for law enforcement. I too was concerned about the kids and the close quarters of the parking lots. So Chuck's doing the right thing, moving them to the track.

As for getting to the track, I had a map, but was part of the group asking directions from the cop. The problem was that with so many cool cars to look at, who wants to read the map? I was just following the guy in front of me until it was obvious he was lost. Felt sorry for y'all following me too! When we stopped at the parts store and I realized we were practically back at the hotel, I bailed out. There were maps distributed, but I didn't use mine.

Pete ~ I forgot about stopping at the Parts store! :)

Ditto on the maps! I was riding with Dan Williams, and we were very lost, with about 3-4 other chevelles ahead of us, and at least 10 behind us, making U-turns etc.... we hit the interstate, and just took that back to the hotel. :(

Every year I get lost trying to get to the strip. Last year I finally gave up and found the interstate and headed back to the motel too. (I was damn thristy by then!) Unless theres a good map this year I think I'll skip the drags and just drink some of William's cheap Iowa beer!

Every year I get lost trying to get to the strip. Last year I finally gave up and found the interstate and headed back to the motel too. (I was damn thristy by then!) Unless theres a good map this year I think I'll skip the drags and just drink some of William's cheap Iowa beer!

:(
Dave,
Please...look me up this year. You can follow us! :thumbsup:
The drags on Thursday night is well worth the trip...

Pete ~ I forgot about stopping at the Parts store! :)Yeah I may not know the way to the track, but I sure know my way to that parts store :sad:.

Every year I get lost trying to get to the strip. Last year I finally gave up and found the interstate and headed back to the motel too. (I was damn thristy by then!) Unless theres a good map this year I think I'll skip the drags and just drink some of William's cheap Iowa beer!
You calling me cheap or just the free beer that you will be sucking down? :beers:

Yeah I may not know the way to the track, but I sure know my way to that parts store :sad:.

Pete, why do you have so many problems with Tennessee parts stores??? :D :D :D

BillL

Maybe I'm the grumpiest ole' fart in the bunch, but the attraction to burnouts has always mystified me. I think it's an insanely unnecessary activity that proves NOTHING...................... no driver skill required, no real horsepower required, loud and makes the air stink for people who just want to talk to other car guys and admire the cars, ruins perfectly good tires, and risks severe damage to previously undamaged sheet metal. Hell, a 4 banger wih a windshield washer pump squritin' bleach at the back tires will smoke em til they blow, so what's the point & where's the fun? I just don't get it.:confused: :confused: :confused:

I'm not being critical, I'm just responding to your concern about the participation in burnouts.
EVERYTHING you say is true. Period.
But, it's just one of those things, which I guess, brings about a rush for many of us. I guess its just part of being a gear head, I don't know. And, its not limited to an age group (chances are, I'm older than you, actually, I may be older than 99% of the people who attend Chevellabration). I still get a lot of pleasure from events that involve healthy V8 power. Ya, those little 4-banger imports with tiny tires on wet pavement can do a burnout, maybe even all day long. But those little 4-bangers can't muscle up enough power to turn fat tires on dry pavement underneath a 3500-4000lb car all day long.
Yes, this old man has done, and enjoys doing, burnouts. And when I do it, it's with fat tires on DRY pavement (when people throw water down in front of my tires, I drive around it to a dry spot). I mean, if you're going to do a burnout, then do a REAL burnout!
Again, its just one of those things (burnouts) that most gearheads enjoy which produces enjoyable entertainment for both participants and spectators. Is it wholesome, sane, intelligent and rewarding??? Probably not. But we still enjoy it!
And last, will Tom Parsons be doing parking lot burnouts at Chevellabration in the future? As I said earlier in this same discussion, NO! I have to agree with the majority and Chuck, its fun, most people enjoy it, but overall its not wise. When my 70 conv is in the motel parking lot, it will be PARKED.
Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, unexpected could go wrong at the wrong time during a burn out, and suddenly a tragedy could occur, which could never be turned around. I don't want to be the cause of that, and I don't want to see it happen.

I'll do awesome burnouts as long as someone contributes the tires. As to my tires...uh uh.

I'm not being critical, I'm just responding to your concern about the participation in burnouts.
EVERYTHING you say is true. Period.
But, it's just one of those things, which I guess, brings about a rush for many of us. I guess its just part of being a gear head, I don't know. And, its not limited to an age group (chances are, I'm older than you, actually, I may be older than 99% of the people who attend Chevellabration). I still get a lot of pleasure from events that involve healthy V8 power. Ya, those little 4-banger imports with tiny tires on wet pavement can do a burnout, maybe even all day long. But those little 4-bangers can't muscle up enough power to turn fat tires on dry pavement underneath a 3500-4000lb car all day long.
Yes, this old man has done, and enjoys doing, burnouts. And when I do it, it's with fat tires on DRY pavement (when people throw water down in front of my tires, I drive around it to a dry spot). I mean, if you're going to do a burnout, then do a REAL burnout!
Again, its just one of those things (burnouts) that most gearheads enjoy which produces enjoyable entertainment for both participants and spectators. Is it wholesome, sane, intelligent and rewarding??? Probably not. But we still enjoy it!
And last, will Tom Parsons be doing parking lot burnouts at Chevellabration in the future? As I said earlier in this same discussion, NO! I have to agree with the majority and Chuck, its fun, most people enjoy it, but overall its not wise. When my 70 conv is in the motel parking lot, it will be PARKED.
Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, unexpected could go wrong at the wrong time during a burn out, and suddenly a tragedy could occur, which could never be turned around. I don't want to be the cause of that, and I don't want to see it happen.

Well said Tom, if that doesn't sum it all up I really don't know what will...:beers: