iam going out on a lim here i have been reading this web site for 6mo. now and i can tell you you that there a alot of fake built sheets, fake number s on blocks, that people have brought to this board, trying not to get ripoff before buying, there doing there home work , and good for them, its getting really tought out there to verify a true 70 ss chevelle, with all this fake stuff going around. it really sad but its here to stay, pontiacs are gm only line that can tell you if you own a gto or lemans, phs doc. for people who dont know. my 1968 gto conv. has really been going up in value over the 3 years there was only 5091 made with auto 3116 with manual. only 22 1968 conv. with a 400 ra auto were made that what i have. theres car are going to catch the chevelle very soon imho. COLLECTORS WANT FACTORY VERICATION. ok that being said the canadian built 1970 ss chevelle is the ONLY FACTORY VERICATION LEFT . HOW MANY WERE BULT IN oshawa CA. not many and in my case some some other here only 1750 with with zl2. made and that can be track by gm of canada. thats a real small number i was told that 4000 or so ls6 cars were made. and more are being made right now with so call doc. which we know many are faked. so what does a collectors do. well i would only buy a car with gm doc. so my perdiction is all you folks with canadian. gm doc for your 70 ss chevelle, you will soon see ls6 $$$$$$$$$ for your car. because there rare and trackable. love this site.

You've got to be kidding ... You're still making new post of how your Chevelle is more valuable as a Canadian car?
Neal

GM cars sold in Canada when new also have GM of Canada docs. My LS6 has them. Does that make it worth more? Probably not over a car with confirmed pedigree. But, it is easy to prove it's real through verified channels.

The thing is, most Chevelle enthusiasts probably couldn't care less.

Canadian cars have an advantage with GM of Canada retaining the original documentation, but that doesn't guarantee that a particular car has it's original VIN to start with. People have been swapping/copying/faking VIN's for a long while now.

The GM of Canada documentation is nice to have to be sure. However, all it says that VIN XXXXXXBXXXXXX had the following options and came from Dealer YYYYYY. No one confirms that your car is the car on the sheet. It could possibly be a stamped up fake. We have this paperwork on our 3 cars. We bought the one new and were in contact with the original owners on the other two. It's all in tracking down the history of the car. Old car genealogy so to speak. Amazingly enough, there ARE offsprings some times. I know of one car with its original engine and another original engine for the car under another guys work bench. AMAZING. For our 1972 Lemans Sport, history is probably nothing more that an interesting read. When you get to an L78 or COPO car, then all the paperwork is like gold, if you want to get top dollar. Buyer still has to beware.

The GM of Canada documentation is nice to have to be sure. However, all it says that VIN XXXXXXBXXXXXX had the following options and came from Dealer YYYYYY. .

Exactly,no different than PHS info.Like previously stated there is a network in place that can validate paperwork,but strong ownership history will ultimately become the litmus test after the crooks perfect the docs.As many sheets that get posted here it's entry level compared to more sophisticated document forgery.

You've got to be kidding ... You're still making new post of how your Chevelle is more valuable as a Canadian car?
Neal

Lol,at least he didn't mention that rare bench seat option again.

i am going out on a limb here i have been reading this web site for 6 mo. now and i can tell you you that there a alot of fake built sheets, fake numbers on blocks, it really sad but its here to stay,
The thing is, most Chevelle enthusiasts probably couldn't care less.
Canadian cars have an advantage with GM of Canada retaining the original documentation, but that doesn't guarantee that a particular car has it's original VIN to start with. People have been swapping/copying/faking VIN's for a long while now.

I can agree, with these statements............

I believe, a solid rust free body/frame, should be more important, than "ALMOST" any amount of paper work on most "Team Chevelle" enthusiast cars...

[ paper work is nice to have, but not mandatory, to enjoy "Chevelle-ing" ]....

Not only is a solid body a money saver, It will always be more original, than "THE" pieced together SS/clone with a re-stamped engine block, and suspect/fake paperwork.............Just one opinion, Don.

You've got to be kidding ... You're still making new post of how your Chevelle is more valuable as a Canadian car?
Neal
neil wright your wrong about the post and taking it personal you sound like a child, it not my fault all these cheat are out there faking ss and built sheet. the market will set the price. and yes gm of canada cars are much rare than usa cars and they have doc to boot. enjoy your car dont worry about if mine better than yours stuff, thats not what am saying.

Lol,at least he didn't mention that rare bench seat option again.
i see why your so cocky doug, you have a really nice car, usa built im guessing, with some doc i hope. same as my car 4 speed 454 , with a zl2 option oh yea best of all a bench seat lol.

Lol,at least he didn't mention that rare bench seat option again.
i see why your so cocky doug, you have a really nice car, usa built im guessing, with some doc i hope. same as my car 4 speed 454 , with a zl2 option oh yea best of all a bench seat lol.

doug dont take me wrong i was just getting you back i would be proud to own your car its really really nice car. i bet your car gets top picks at car shows.

Canadian cars have an advantage with GM of Canada retaining the original documentation, but that doesn't guarantee that a particular car has it's original VIN to start with. People have been swapping/copying/faking VIN's for a long while now.
super chevy i agree but they would have to match the options and color and built date on the tag . can be done forsure however but very hard to do. i found a inspection tag attach to my back seat stamp march 20 1970 , my car was shipped march 23 1970 so my back seat tag matches my built date.

I trust lone L Kansas (Leeds) cars as being real SS cars.Of course being accompanied by a throughly inspected build sheet would make things just about certain its a real one.The problem is about ten or 15 years from now when the market gets soft.The only cars that are going to bring all the money are the ones that buyers are about 99.9% certain are originals.Don't get me wrong theres some dam nice SS cars out there that may or may not be real cars.they can bring all the money now but down the road its most likely going to change

I personally think it will be a lot sooner than 10-15 years.

Seems to me that the types of the Chevelle people have changed a lot in the last 20 years.
The majority of Chevelle owners now days seem to be more hot rodders plus a few investors that only buy one to flip it.

That's why I say the majority (the hot rodders) probably couldn't care less about where one was assembled or any documentation, they're more interested in enjoying the cars for what they are and modifying them to be even more fun.

dean i dont know when prices will start start to go down, if they do at all, you for got a big group between a hottroder and a purest. guys like me that want a real ss but also would like to have 500hp. kept 90% of the car original.

I agree with Dean regarding the future of the Chevelle hobby. I 've bee into the 55-57 Chevy cars since the 70's and we've seen some real changes. The trend begining in the 80's thru the early 90's was factory correct restorations. Now many of those same cars have been modified to make them more comfortable as drivers including late model disc brakes, power options, etc. Prices being paid are as high as ever, there has just been a shift in emphasis on what people want in the car. I think the same thing will be happening in the Chevelle hobby as well in the future. As you may know a complete 57 Chevy convertible is now available from CARS using all new sheet metal except for the cowl. This allow retention of the original VIN. Look for this with Chevelles in the future as well.

dean i dont know when prices will start start to go down, if they do at all, you for got a big group between a hottroder and a purest. guys like me that want a real ss but also would like to have 500hp. kept 90% of the car original.

Oh I didn't mean there were no purist Chevelle lovers at all, just not as big a group compared to the other folks as there was at one time.
But then there have been more and more cars brought back from the dead in the last several years too so that could be part of it.

Of course were're just jawing back and forth here and I'm sotra thinking out loud plus I could be all wet in my thinking too. I'm just saying that it seems to me like there are many more Chevelle enthusiasts now that modify or modernize the cars and less of the purist that kept them original as there were in days gone by.

If you go to any Chevelle show now days you might see two or three original or restored back to original Chevelles to every 10-20 that are modified.
Now a few of those 10-20 might be fairly close to original with the exception of wheels, tires, radio, headers, modified engines and transmissions etc.

I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing cause the name of the game is to enjoy the cars so why not enjoy them to your personal likings.

I still just personally think from the way the trends have been going that build sheets and other documentation does not mean as much as it once did and will not be as important to more and more real enthusiasts in the future but who knows, only time will tell.

Anyway, IF SO, less people interested in that sorta stuff in the future means fewer buyers willing to pay higher prices just to get documentation.

What has happened to the '55-'57 Chevies will happen to the Chevelles as well. Rare cars should and will be restored. Cars like our '69 el Camino are another story. We are going with an '94 Impala SS style engine and transmission setup. Perhaps an LT4 cam as well. Aftermarket air might be a nice addition. Four wheel disc brakes would be neat along with some larger wheels and tires. When you get to my age comfort gets more important. These additions will probably do nothing but add value to the car and even make it more economical to drive, judging from what I hear from Roadmaster and Impala SS owners.