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: 67 SS w/ 48 (YES 48 MILES) documented miles


Beefus1130
Oct 26th, 06, 5:59 PM
Hey guys. I have just acquired a PERFECT 67 SS from my uncle and want to know what its worth (NOT FOR SALE NOR WILL IT BE ANYTIME SOON!!!!!!). The 1968 insp sticker still on car and the orig. Mileage is 48 miles documented. They story is my uncle bought it froma dealer in '69 w/ an L88 427 Vette motor, which was blown when he bought it and sold in the 80's. the car was a Repossession (my uncle found out later it belonged to a vietnam vet who got killed in combat and some of his air force test paperwork is still in the trunk, who later heard from a close friend of the former owner that he ONLY used this car for drag racing in the superstock class, which explains the miles and the 3 motor receipts in the glove compartment). This car is an original L78 396/375. The trans (M22) and rear (4:08) #'s match. This car is a special order car and is very strange(the guys name is imprinted on a plate that is mounted on the dash cluster) the options are vinyl top, am/fm radio, drum brakes all around, tahoe turquoise in color, black buckets, console, tach, NO power options, which tells me that this guy intended only to drag race with this car is somewhat of style. this car has been sitting in my uncles garage SINCE he bought it (never driven; the 427 motor that came with it was blown. He was going to fix, but bought a 55 nomad soonafter and kept this car untouched since then in a dry garage w/ NO RUST, CHIPS, DENTS, or malformations all around the car. The frame still looks brand spankin new w/ no miles!) Since I am close to graduating college, I have decided to start working on the vehicle to make it as factory as possible (less motor ofcoarse, but I am looking for ANY YEAR L78 from 65-70) I tried looking for this built sheet for a month in the Interior, but never found one until I take out the gas tank to have it cleaned and low & behold there it was! GOLD! If you could tell me a ballpark of what it may be worth. I see restored ones go for around mid 20's to 40's (I have been studying musclecars since I was 13, now 23, and know what I am talking about. I love Chevelles & Camardsos, My first car (16) was an 87 iroc 350 worked, which I wrecked after racing and beating a '96 Mustang Cobras a$$ (he bumped my rear and I spun 80mph into a tree after crossing the line; later arrested) and an 86 which I sold to go to college. Both 5spd cars) If you could help I would greatly appreciate it. its now 5:00 PM here in Pa so fellas, wherever your from :beers: HA HAA!!

BillsCamino
Oct 26th, 06, 6:22 PM
Hmmm...I'd like to see your build sheet showing the L-78, M-22 AND A/C options as previously mentioned in your posts. :confused:

1971 Chevelle
Oct 26th, 06, 6:30 PM
Solid lifters and A/C:confused:

Blown 70
Oct 26th, 06, 6:31 PM
Post some pictures !!!

The dead vietnam solder story is tired, I have heard it a hundred times :clonk:
(actually just heard it again about 3 weeks ago from someone looking at buying a 72SS I was selling)

Right up there with the $50 bill on the dash. :boring:

Keep the car, loose the story :beers:

Ordered it to be a "Race car" but only wanted "drum brakes" ?

Beefus1130
Oct 26th, 06, 6:36 PM
What do you mean by A/c? From what I know, a/c stands for Air conditioning and this car does not have it, nor do I mention it in the description. If it stands for somethingelse, its new to me and let me know. Right now I do not have a scanner or digital camera (working on it), so that is why I do not have pictures or the build sheet on here, but I assure you this car DOES exist. Its in the garage as we speak. I'm just asking for some help appraising it. If you cannot believe it, please do not answer. Infact, i'm not selling it period. I was just curious, but if you are an expert looking for proof I can understand and will get that sheet if I can find a scanner

Blown 70
Oct 26th, 06, 6:44 PM
In your OTHER post you say the car has A/C, you also say your uncle bought it from a repo man in 68.

Pick one story, and go with that


Hey. I have a 67 Chevelle SS and I have been trying to find the build sheet. I've looked underneath all the seats (where I have foud other build sheets on other Chevelles), but it is not there. Are there other places it could be?

Here's the history of this car;

This car was never restored and spent its entire life in my uncles garage. He told me he acquired it from a repo man in 1968. The former owner had been sent to Vietnam and never made payments after that (there is a nameplate on the dash that says "specially made" for this man) Could this car be a special order? It has from the factory from what I can see (also thanks to this website); Tahoe Turquise pant, vinyl top, A/C, M22, console, tach, deluxe int, 4;10 gear ratio, plus more which are original. When my uncle bought it, he was told it was an original L78 396 from a man that knew the first owner (i think this is one of like 700 give or take?), but cannot confirm for not having a build sheet (motor LONG GONE. The original owner drag raced w/ it and had it towed to every race, but DID NOT cut up the body) which explains the miles on it. Mh uncle bought this car and parked it soon after (bought a Nomad) and just left it there (the sticker still has a 68 inspection sitcker on it). And let me tell you! to my surprise, this car has only 48.8 ORIGINAL MILES ON THE BODY, TRANS AND REAR (I REALLY WISH I HAD THAT ORIG. MOTOR!!) I have found documentation from 1967 from service w/ 30.6 miles written on it from when the former owner blew the original motor and bought a 427 instead, which is how my uncle bought it soon after.

The reason I need the sheet is to make this car as factory original as possible plus to confirm all the info, which is bugging the heck out of me until I can find this out. I am a real Chevelle fanatic and i've seen looking at feature cars on this site since before I could drive. This car is what did it for me, and now I got it! SO if anyone could help I would appreciate it. Thanks guys

138car
Oct 26th, 06, 6:55 PM
I would place a value on the car about that of a 68 SS 136 misprint VIN, L89 car.

Priceless

136679ss
Oct 26th, 06, 6:57 PM
Personally, I wouldn't bother with the L78 block, nobody would be able to tell it wasn't that unless they started looking for casting numbers. Slap the 396/375 sticker on the open element air cleaner and nobody will be the wiser.

twotone64
Oct 26th, 06, 7:01 PM
I love Chevelles & Camardsos, My first car (16) was an 87 iroc 350 worked, which I wrecked after racing and beating a '96 Mustang Cobras a$$ (he bumped my rear and I spun 80mph into a tree after crossing the line; later arrested) and an 86 which I sold to go to college. Both 5spd cars)

Lucky you didnt get killed. Shouldn't be street racing.

Sounds like you got a great car

abodybill
Oct 26th, 06, 7:03 PM
what's a Camardsos ?

Dean
Oct 26th, 06, 7:06 PM
what's a Camardsos ?

Camaro typed with fat finges :D

you really didn't know it was a typo?

cliffs1970
Oct 26th, 06, 7:07 PM
Ask you local Chevy dealer what it's worth, maybe they would give you a new car for it. I personally think that you are fos as a Christmas turkey.

Beegs
Oct 26th, 06, 9:21 PM
Ask you local Chevy dealer what it's worth, maybe they would give you a new car for it. I personally think that you are fos as a Christmas turkey.


LOL!

savage71chevelless
Oct 26th, 06, 10:06 PM
this kids story is the biggest bunch of bull caca i have ever read. You may get some other teenager to believe it, but please, here?

brans72
Oct 26th, 06, 10:20 PM
i just love these stroies there so funny to read!! least i can say i got a real ss even though i do not have the factory 402 in it. nothing special here just got what i wanted in a chevelle to fix up. :)

Cam
Oct 27th, 06, 12:23 AM
Yes, the story sounds almost too good to be true, but I have to admit that it could be true. Bill Toomey has a '66 Biscayne that was an original L-72 drag car (later a crate LS-6 was dropped in). He bought it new strictly to drag. His car had something like 1024 miles on it, a quarter mile at a time.

You mentioned that the car has a tach. Do you mean that it has the 'blinker tach' located to the left of the sweep speedometer, just obscuring the left turn indicator on the dash? If so, what is the redline on it. True, those tachs are available reproduction and are close to the originals but not exact.

It is not unusual to hear of manual drum brakes on a drag car. Drums were cheaper, lighter, plus they didn't drag like disk brakes do (pads always in slight contact with the rotors in order to keep them clean, at operating tempurature and ready). With drum brakes you get one panic stop before they heat up and go away. I guess that is what the return road is for at the strip, to cool down those glowing binders.

Anyway, the car sounds cool. :thumbsup: When you get into it you can try posting some of the numbers off of the various drivetrain components so it can clarify what it is you actually have there.

Clyde's 67
Oct 27th, 06, 1:17 AM
hey wait, it is a true story, I remember my father who also was in Vietnam knew this guy. I remember my dad telling me before he passed away that this guy had this chevelle and told him when or if he made it to the states to take care of the car for him, that it was his and he wanted my dad to have it. My dad told me before he died to go and get the car. I'll be there this weekend to get it, okay.

136679ss
Oct 27th, 06, 1:50 AM
C'mon before we call in the lynch mob, at least give this guy the opportunity to come up with some photos of his docs. Author be well advised these are the chevelle police and spot BS a mile away, it's best to get all the facts before double posting because you will always be called on it. JN

1966_L78
Oct 27th, 06, 5:29 PM
C'mon before we call in the lynch mob, at least give this guy the opportunity...

I agree... Remeber, he IS a young guy (why is it youth's tend to embellish a bit more???)... I like the part about kicking the Cobras A$$, yet the same cobra was close enough to clip his rear bumper... Thats NOT kicking A$$ in my book (and only 80 MPH to boot)...

I wonder Why someone would special order a car JUST for Dragracing, and put only 48 miles, YET paty extra for an AM/FM (especially back then) and a vinyl top... IMO, a true racer wouldn't want the weight OR the extra cost... But we'll never know...

I also question why your uncle bought it with a "blown" engine, from a dealer... Doesn't make alot of sense. For a 2-year old car and the cost of replacing the engine for a dealer (even with a used 396, etc), I don't see why a dealer wouldn't have replaced the engine before selling it... Also, a 2-year old 67 Chevelle with a blown up engine (even a crate L88 at THAT time) was no big deal, nothing special... I question why your uncle (or anyone else) would pay money for the car and NOT fix the engine, and not drive or race it... Just sounds fishy and too-good-to-be-true... Just like the cars condition and options, the "stories" can affect the value (if the story isn't believable, then alot of people won't believe anything else you tell them, or at leats be really sceptical)


Anyway, as for value, that hard to say without at least pictures...

Factory L78 with missing motor, BUT documentation (I'll assume its legit for now), will bring a pretty good value, but not as much as one with the original engine...

Condition is important. Does it LOOK like only 48 miles, or is that questionable... To be worth what other low-mileage cars are worth, it must also be in a "low-mileage" condition...

There is a saying, "its only original once", so any restoration will likely reduce value (at least from the "low-mileage" standpoint). Once you go and "restore" the car, most buyers will likely doubt the "low-mileage" story...

"low-mileage" is more of a condition that implies the car is original and almost perfect as-is... Why would anyone need to "restore" a low mileage car...

I have seen alot of guys that race that did NOT reattach the speedo cable,
so not sure I'd believe the super low mileage unless the condition supported it...


I agree about the "finding an L78" NOT being an issue... In this day and age, I'd say either a "correct" casting number (#406?) even if its a 2-bolt main. But most likely the best value would be with the 427. Original motor is gone, and you do have the reciepts for the replacement, right?

hpsherlin
Oct 27th, 06, 6:04 PM
Give the young man a break. I'll wait for pictures.
My '67 only has 92 miles on it and they are original. Yes, original. I can send pictures of the odometer later when I post pictures of the car & restoration.
Why am I restoring it you might ask?
Because of the 100,000 miles before the odometer flipped to all zeros. LOL
Herbie

ak 67SD
Oct 27th, 06, 7:03 PM
...Because of the 100,000 miles before the odometer flipped to all zeros. LOL

...now that was funny!!LMAO!

ak

oldtimebaseballfan
Oct 27th, 06, 10:15 PM
I haven't seen any responses to the request for pics. Time is running out for us to hang in there on your story. TIC TOC TIC TOC...

onabudget
Oct 27th, 06, 11:02 PM
YES I'm skeptical as well. 67's are my thing so I'd actually love for this to be true.

He just sounds like a guy I've heard before, and his user name is fammiliar. CLICKY (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145855)

I wonder what the IP police will find.

Xplantdad
Oct 28th, 06, 12:16 AM
I don't know about this car or this guy...but...you've got to believe that there are low mileage cars out there...like the LS6 and even this car...it only has 61 documented miles...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/171318/an/0/page/4#171318


So.... :)

cuisinartvette
Oct 28th, 06, 12:53 AM
A 4.08 rear..yup, thats a rare one alright. :confused:

Burbank SS
Oct 28th, 06, 6:34 PM
If the soldier's test scores were in the trunk, there is a name that can be checked against the Vietnam War Memorial listing.

As for the rest of the story, its ok to be skeptical, but I'd like to see some pictures.

Neuman
Oct 28th, 06, 9:17 PM
No, the stories are true. I recently found a 1917 Ford Model T with a special order, prototype, 427 side oiler. Henry Ford built the engine himself but the design was lost for the next 50 years. This car was ordered by a doughboy shortly before he was sent to Europe for the Great War. Sadly, he was hit by a zeppelin, killing him instantly, and the car was stored in a hermetically sealed barn until I happened across it last year. Rumor has it that the engine oil still in it was taken directly from the Spindletop gusher.

Any offers?

chevguy65
Oct 28th, 06, 9:36 PM
No, the stories are true. I recently found a 1917 Ford Model T with a special order, prototype, 427 side oiler. Henry Ford built the engine himself but the design was lost for the next 50 years. This car was ordered by a doughboy shortly before he was sent to Europe for the Great War. Sadly, he was hit by a zeppelin, killing him instantly, and the car was stored in a hermetically sealed barn until I happened across it last year. Rumor has it that the engine oil still in it was taken directly from the Spindletop gusher.

Any offers?
That was my grandfathers car, it ran a 10 sec 1/4 in early 1918.
It came from the factory with A/C, 8pt roll cage, C6 trans and a 9" rear with 40 spline spool and 5.13 gears.
Please return it to me.
Thanks

Doug Garland
Oct 28th, 06, 9:39 PM
I DID find a '74 GTO once ,that had only 82 miles on it. The guy bought it as a stripped down , bare bones car, no options. No radio, no heater, no power steering. He pulled the engine, built a 454, and went drag racing. All the miles were 1/8 mile at a time. This was in 1992, and he offered to sell it to me for $4000, minus the engine. I didn't need a drag car, no matter how many miles were on it. He has since passed, and the estate sold all of his cars. He had 15-20 cars, and also had the World's fastest 1956 stock Corvette, 265-2 4 bbls. He set numerous records with the 'Vette at Bonneville, on the flats. I actually saw that car a couple of weekends ago at a Nostalgia dragrace, and car show.

71elkySS454
Oct 28th, 06, 10:43 PM
I DID find a '74 GTO once ,that had only 82 miles on it. The guy bought it as a stripped down , bare bones car, no options. No radio, no heater, no power steering. He pulled the engine, built a 454, and went drag racing. All the miles were 1/8 mile at a time. This was in 1992, and he offered to sell it to me for $4000, minus the engine. I didn't need a drag car, no matter how many miles were on it. He has since passed, and the estate sold all of his cars. He had 15-20 cars, and also had the World's fastest 1956 stock Corvette, 265-2 4 bbls. He set numerous records with the 'Vette at Bonneville, on the flats. I actually saw that car a couple of weekends ago at a Nostalgia dragrace, and car show.

Did he live on a farm down around Cartersville?

Doug Garland
Oct 29th, 06, 7:26 PM
Yes.......Yes he did, north of White, in Cassville! He and his family ran a dairy, and my father in law was on their race team in the '70's. They ran a '55 wagon called " The Milk Wagon". Forrest Shropshire was his name. WE went over one evening to look at all his stuff, and ended up staying and talking to him till 3 A.M. From then on, every time I saw him, it was like I was his best friend. They auctioned off his stuff after he passed away, and a guy in Cleveland,Tn. ended up with the 'Vette. I don't know where all the other stuff went. He had some RARE parts, and cars.

71elkySS454
Oct 29th, 06, 9:29 PM
Yes.......Yes he did, north of White, in Cassville! He and his family ran a dairy, and my father in law was on their race team in the '70's. They ran a '55 wagon called " The Milk Wagon". Forrest Shropshire was his name. WE went over one evening to look at all his stuff, and ended up staying and talking to him till 3 A.M. From then on, every time I saw him, it was like I was his best friend. They auctioned off his stuff after he passed away, and a guy in Cleveland,Tn. ended up with the 'Vette. I don't know where all the other stuff went. He had some RARE parts, and cars.

Doug, I met Forest in the mid 80's. Went over to his farm and he took me on the grand tour. I couldn't believe all the stuff he had in those old barns and just laying around. I remember the Corvette, and he had a ton of parts. We even made a trip up to Carlisle together. We stayed in touch for a while, then lost touch. I heard through the grapevine 'after the fact' about his passing and the auction of his stuff. Someone got some valuable stuff.

1966_L78
Oct 30th, 06, 6:52 PM
No, the stories are true. I recently found a 1917 Ford Model T with a special order, prototype, 427 side oiler...

That reminds me... This Summer at a car show, we saw this late 50's (I think) Ford convertible... Big boat, with a custom flair (yellow and black tuck-n-roll interior, etc...

It has a 427 SOHC in it... You know the ones with the spark plugs next to the intake...

Just so unexpected. I guess someone had the motor just lying around...