I am curious to see what everybodys Chevelles have been doing at the 1/4 mile. And could anybody tell me what my stock SS396 w/ 3 speed stick should be pulling? I have 3.08 gears and its completely stock.

why don't you take it to the strip and find out? there are too many variables, reaction time, hp, tires, weather conditions, etc. but I would say stock 325hp, with your gears and a good driver probably in the 14's.

14's IF you can hook up. Otherwise forget it (maybe you have a friend you can borrow some slicks or drag radials from). Another thing you'll need to get into the 14's is a positraction rear.

E.T. slips can be cruel. I don't want to be the wet blanket, but I'll say high 15's. I base that on the high 14's my '69 turns with L78 cam, headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, 3.31 posi, and street tires. This was in hot, low density air. Your times will depend on the air density, track condition, driving technique, and state of tune of your engine. Let us know how you do. von

I have to agree with Von here. With a 3-speed and 3.08's I think mid-to-high 15's would be closer to your actual times.

I have to agree with Von, magazine (road tests), 1/4 mile times we're in the 15.25 to 15.50 range for the new '70 SS396 350hp version, auto, with 3.31 gears. I've got Hot Rod Magazines road test of a '70 SS454 LS6 and they blistered a 13.12 ET (forget about the 14's!!!) It was a 4 speed car (rockcrusher), can't recall the gear ratio.Their closing comment;there will never be a car like this again. How true.
Joe B

one more vote for mid-to-high 15s.
Going real fast in a chevelle is an art.

The trick is not to let yourself believe that your car "sucks" because it won't run 12s. You can run as fast as you want, but that costs time and money. Bragging rights can cost a lot of money and time. Don't be ashamed when a 99 camaro SS pulls away from you. It really is apples and oranges.

My 70SS with 396 (350hp) basically stock except for comp 280h cam and edelbrock intake, 331 peg leg, TH400, and street tires runs mid(cool day/hot tires) to high(hot day/slick track)14's. It is an art to get out of the hole with peg leg and street tires but it can be done. You have to peddle it in first. If you smoke street tires forget a good time. Go AROUND the bleach box and do a couple dry hops up to the line. My first time down the track with this car I smoked em to the stagging lights(big mistake because it glazed the tires),took off and smoked em through first and second gear. May have looked impressive but it was a 16.2 1/4 and got beat by a mustang.

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5 runs last july at BIR in brainerd. Best time was 15.95. 325hp/396 4 speed. The better I got at pedaling the quicker the time. I think I can hit low to mid 15's with the street tires but that's about it.

steve s. what was your 1/8 times? my 70ss, 350hp ran 9.38, 77mph, 2.24 60ft. stock other than schnieder cam. iron manifolds, intake, q-jet, th400, 3.31 posi and bf's. have not ran a 1/4 with it. just wanted to compare.
thanks
bart

bart: sorry it took so long to reply, took a while to find a time slip as the last time I raced was over a year ago.
R/T .628
60' 2.239
330' 6.104
660' 9.333 MPH 75.64
1000 12.160
1/4 14.557 MPH 94.04
Looks like you and I would have a very good heads up race!
I have since found a problem with my mechanical advance(people were passing me on the top end which shouldn't happen with a BB) and I beleive with this fixed my ET would be a little lower and the MPH higher at the traps.



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[This message has been edited by Steve S (edited 04-12-99).]

I was wondering (And I know everyone here probably hates me, but this is a good question) A stock mustang GT, 225HP 5 speed stick, is a high 14's car with a good driver. Low 15's with out. It weights roughly 3400lbs maybe a little less. A 396 chevelle has 325HP, and weights maybe only 200lbs more. Why would it only run mid-high 15's?? Im not gettin it here. A stang with 325hp, is capable of high 13's.

Just curious, not tryin to do any bashing or anything, thanks.


Sky

Also, does anyone know what a 1970 6Cyl nova would run. It had this done to it. motor replaced with a 1973 350cuin, w/ 650cfm holley, edelbrock intake, 3chamb flows, headers. 3 Speed auto. Otherwise stock gears etc.

Thanks,
Sky

ALSO, Can you guys revise ryankey's 1/4mile time. If he had 750CFM Holley, Edelbrock 2.0 Intake Manifold, 2chamber flows, and 3inch hooker headers?

Would it be much faster, Im, thinking a good ignition, and a 3.73 or 3.55 posi, could get this car into the 13's with an excellent launch. Because it seems as if the HP is there.

Sky

Saleen we appreciate your attitude change http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

anyways I thought the 396 times would be much faster..

I have a '70 el camino that will dip into the high 14's at about 100mph even.

its the classic 350/350 combo and get this, 2.56 one legger.

The engine definately isnt anything special but it runs real strong, with stock truck head, no porting etc...

I'll you know how it does with the 4.56 posi that should be in in a week.

mike

Hey can anyone calculate my 1/4 times? I have a 72 Chevelle equipped with an LT1 and 4L60E tranny out of a 95 Vette. Mods include jet hot coated headers, performance tuned computer, K&N filter, 160 degree thermostat and 2.5 inch exhaust w/ dynomax mufflers. Any HP estimations? I am running 275-60 tires and a 3.73 gear ratio with a posi rearend. Thanks.

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Ryankey...I stick with my original assessment. I run a 454 with 3.31 open differential (peg-leg) and 275/60R15 BFG Drag Radials. My ET's are 14.5 to 15 secs. and I don't even hook up until I pass the 60 foot mark. I'm adding positraction and upping my gears to 3.73 this week. Hopefully, I'll be on the track by Friday night and I will be very disappointed if I don't run in the 12's.

So getting down into the sub-14's would require lower rear-end gears? Would you reccomend 3.55 or 3.73?? Or maybe even lower?? I'm not really worried about fuel economy, but I do want it to be drivable on the freeway....

thanks

I would recomend staying in the 3.55 to 3.73 range and not going any lower if you want to drive on the freeway without an overdrive gear.


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saleen306, A little expanation on my 325hp/396 times in the 15's. This is a tired motor, never rebuilt. Also, 3:23 rear end for cruising, I've not quite perfected "hooking up" with a 4 speed yet. The front end was lowered 2 inches which seems to make hooking up harder. This winter I rebuilt the front end to restore ride hieght, dropped a new 454 under the hood which will allow me some time to freshen the old 396. As I get better at pedalling I hope my times will drop. When I get the 396 back in meet me in Brainerd and we'll run down the track! Sounds fun, Later.

Ok so I think I might try to hook up some 3.73's pretty soon.... As I said, I have a 3 speed manual tranny right now. People tell me the 3 speed is really lame for the 1/4 mile. Should I try to save up my cash for a 4 or 5 speed?? Or will the 3 speed hold up just fine?

Saleen306,
I didn't see one of your prior questions addressed (which I thought was a good one), so I add this. The stock 5.0 with 225 HP is brake or SAE net. That means it is measured at the pavement, after losses for accessory drives, transmission, gears, etc. The 325 HP Chevelle was rated gross or at the flywheel. Rule of thumb, you could subtract 100-150 HP for an apples to apples HP comparison. Alternatively, put both cars on a DynoJet.

Additionally, the small block Ford will make its HP in a higher RPM range than the big block Chevy. The Chevy will have more torque on the bottom end (say 350 lb/ft at 2,000 RPM vs 175 lb/ft), which makes it feel much more powerful at everyday driving levels.

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[This message has been edited by Alan F (edited 04-20-99).]

Saleen306: You're trying to compare 1/2 an apple to 1/2 an Orange.

In addition to the engine and vehicle weights, you need to consider things such as rear gears, tires, tranny gears, etc.. More HP doesn't always equate a faster vehicle.
Example: A D11R Caterpillar is pushing 850 horse, but I'm pretty sure my 68 300 Deluxe with the 155 HP L6 can take in on a good day http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

You could take 2 Chevelles (or Mustangs, Novas, whatever) which are identical in every way except for the rear gears. Have 1 with a 3.08 and 1 with 4.11's. The 4.11 will have a better ET.

Likewise, you could take those 2 cars, match the rear gears, and then place a smaller engine in one. Add Nitrous to the smaller engine and you may still beat the larger, higher HP motor.

The point is that there are so many factors which figure into 1/4 ETs and all the other performance facts toat you can't make a reliable comparison on just weight and HP.

Kurt

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yes, I know that, Obviously a NOS car would kill a non NOS car. When your talking about a catapillar your talking about a ridiculous amount of weight. And no Im not really comparing apples and oranges. Anyways, I guess its just how the HP was rated. And I know what gears do, the stock gears were just about the same in those two cars, the mustang did have LSD though.

Anyways, I was just interested.

I was gonna ask some of you guys though, what mods u have and how fast u run?

I'll have my heads/cam/intake done in a day or too...wanna race http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif.

Sky

Saleen,
I would be more than happy to race you. And it is apples to oranges, I have pulled many of my friends cars to the racetrack and some of them being Mustangs and some camaros. And even though my car is lighter than any of them it always takes more gas to pull. The Chevelle is like a billboard, the faster you go the more power it takes to cut through the air. If I were to put my engine in a Firebird with the weight as my car I would drop my E.T.'s drastically. And before you start bashing Chevy's look in the NHRA and tell me where you see a Pro Stock Ford Car or Ford Truck? I don't dislike Ford's, but I dislike people who bash others because of what they drive.

MR. Saleen, Why dont u go find a web site that more fits your intrests, we here at Team Chevelle are really not interested in even discussing any of the brand X cars, cause u see sir , they simply just dont matter anyway, Thanx for stoppin by, when u get a real car come back and see us, L89SEDAN

Very well put L89SEDAN, and so gracious too. bye bye saleen!!

L89 and 64,
I somewhat agree with you, but Saleen is asking somewhat decent questions and hes not bashing anyone anymore I feel I can put up with it. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/wink.gif BTW- Check out his page I think he does have an interest in our cars as well, his friend has a very nice 69 Chevelle. I'm not meaning to start a fight on the board, but I don't mind Saleen all that much as long as he doesn't BS like he did in a nitrous post someone had. Feel free to email me if you would like, I don't want this getting too far off topic.


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[This message has been edited by Steve D 64 SS (edited 04-21-99).]

Hi Steve, I was stating my opinion, not one of Team Chevelles, sorry if U took it that way, but it is still my opinion, and frankly according to most of the members a pretty good one,, L89SEDAN

That NOS post was just a joke. Because it was a friend of mine. If you could not tell that, I think it was pretty obvious. Anyways, my web site is

http://www.members.xoom.com/skyman2615

Im not interested in starting fights or anything like that. Im interested in all cars, just happens to be I have a 89 Saleen Mustang. As for bashing Chevy's I certainly havn't seen myself do that here so check up on that one.

I guess I won't be posting here anymore though due to the animosity some people seem to have against me for no apparant reason. This happens at some of the Ford sites I post at to again Chevy guys I guess it goes both ways, but its something I dont' really like to see or participate it. Its a bunch of bull****. Chevy's, Fords, Mopar, they all have sweet cars, and can be as fast as you want them to be. I see no reason to be jerks over them.

Sky

Ryankey,

I had a dismal couple of trips to the strip last year and am ironing out problems in hopes of a better result this year. In my '69 SS 4speed I was getting 13.27@ 103+ MPH.

Saleem, you just came on too strongly and rubbed a few the wrong way. This is, after all a specifically Chevelle site. I agree with you that fast is fast and all muscle cars are cool.

Dan

I'll bet MY Dad can beat up ALL your Dads!

NOT-UHHH Stoopit Head!

Ok, that's it. 4:00, in back of the school.....



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I can't I'm grounded. Sorry Saleen if you were offended. But one thing I have learned in all my years of racing, all car's are fast even if they are slower than yours. And as far as jerk's go I have never met any on this site (yet). I am like you, I have friend's who drive other than Chevy's and we rib each other all the time. But it's all in fun. After all it's just a SPORT.I hope you continue to participate with us on this web site.

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DanErnst -- 13.27 is fast. What did you have done to your car? And what gears do you have in the rear??

Thanks

Ryankey,

I have a fairly beefed up 427. 454 block, 396 crank, 10:1 comp, Merlin Heads, Torker II intake , 850 dbl pmper, Hooker super comps, 4:10 posi, M-21. Comp 284H cam, Roller rockers. Not fancy, but 500+HP I'm guessing. What was dissappointing was ran the same time with a TH350 andf most likely a 2something open rear end in another '69. Hoping to show remarkabel improvement in driver skill and that upping the compression from say 8.5:1 to 9.99:1 made the combo work right. Will know more after a test and tune night.

Fast is relative,

Dan

Ok, thanks guys, well looking forward to keep postin on here then... My friend Ryan Key really needs some Posi, because he knows Im gonna smoke him now. Gave him a little ride in my hotrod todady http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif. Hehe j/k. I think his car will rip when it gets gears/posi, and a 100hp NOS shot http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif.

Sky