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supershift67
Oct 15th, 06, 2:17 PM
Is there an inexpensive way to put air ride on my 67 chevelle wagon?Does anyone know which air bags I need and where I need to make brackets.

Clint44
Oct 15th, 06, 9:50 PM
What do you mean by "inexpensive"? What kinda budget do you have?

yost44
Oct 16th, 06, 12:10 AM
if any one can find an inexpensive way to bag a car i would like to know lol....but seriously its going to be a pretty penny to do this....and if im not mistaking in order to mount shocks on the front u have to make brackets on the control arm unless you use shockwaves

2cool
Oct 16th, 06, 1:06 AM
I wouldn't do it on the front use shockwaves.
My son is getting reay to start on mine.
Him and his friends have done all the small trucks around dropping them to the ground. I helped on one thats when I decided to do my 69.
On the back you can do it several ways but you mainly want to cut out a mounting plate from 3/8" stock with holes for the air lines the you need your mounts.
Get a sheet of steel and lay it out.
They use junk yard a/c compressors for instant air pressure.
Get a mini truck mag and check out all the ideas in it.

yost44
Oct 16th, 06, 1:10 AM
i kno a guy who knows a guy who has a complete kit i am going to try and maybe get off of him when i sell my truck so let me know how this goes for you because i dont want to get in over my head....i have access to a welder and everything and even a machine shop i could maybe work with to make brakets and everything so just let me know how it goes with urs

2cool
Oct 16th, 06, 1:22 AM
Don't buy a complete kit when you can get the bags for $49.00 each.
Get that Mini trucken magazine
It's not that hard Now the front is a different story we had to get new lower control arms made for bags.

supershift67
Oct 16th, 06, 10:40 AM
well I see the basic kit is 900 bucks but I see the bags for $50 each so I didnt know if I could save some money and do it myself for cheap.I have too many projects to dump a bunch of money in one car but I need new springs andy way and hotchkis springs are 300 bucks so I was hoping to do it for around that or a little more.thanks for all the feedback

Clint44
Oct 16th, 06, 7:06 PM
I know where a complete Air Ride system for an A-body with Shockwaves front & rear,analog ride controller,and Strongarm tubular lower a-arms can be bought for around $1500. Drop me a line if anyone is interested.

yost44
Oct 16th, 06, 9:54 PM
well after looking at my car i have decided not to bag my car....my car sits pretty low as is and as a drivable ride height it couldnt get any lower because of the headers and i dont think its worth it to me to bag a car with out being able to have it slammed

darren@ridetech
Oct 17th, 06, 10:57 AM
We have front and rear CoolRide kits available. This would have the air spring with an external shock. All bolt on except for the upper shock mount up front. $549 front and $399 rear. Or Clint has that used front Shockwave and rear CoolRide kit, that's a really nice setup! Either way I do recommed getting a kit specifically for that vehicle. There is much more to consider that simply slapping a set of bags in place of the coils.

gthmcty1
Oct 17th, 06, 12:45 PM
Clint check ur PM

Clint44
Oct 17th, 06, 6:57 PM
Or Clint has that used front Shockwave and rear CoolRide kit, that's a really nice setup!

My car has the series 9000 Shockwaves on the rear,not bags.

Clint44
Oct 17th, 06, 6:57 PM
Clint check ur PM

You have mail.

65bomber
Oct 18th, 06, 12:17 AM
I am really sold on the idea of bagging my ride. The only thing holding me back is the question of how does an A-body ride with bags compared to springs? I'ld hate to drop a couple grand on bags and not like the way it handles. Does any one have some input on how these things handle?

yost44
Oct 18th, 06, 1:16 AM
I think it may handle better with say all tubular control arms sway bars front and rear and all that good stuff but im not sure i have never driven and old car with air bags but I am going the opposite route just because IMO if I was going to bag a car I would want it slammed but my headers are just way too close to the ground to do it already

2cool
Oct 18th, 06, 1:55 AM
It just so happens the new Super Nova mag has an article about this.
They road tested 2 cars before and after needles to say the writer couldn't be more pleased.
But thats road driving dragn racing may be a different story.

darren@ridetech
Oct 18th, 06, 2:10 PM
I am really sold on the idea of bagging my ride. The only thing holding me back is the question of how does an A-body ride with bags compared to springs? I'ld hate to drop a couple grand on bags and not like the way it handles. Does any one have some input on how these things handle?

I might seem a bit biased considering that I work at Air Ride Technologies, but I recently purchased an 70 Chevelle and drove it about a month with the stock suspension. A couple weeks ago I fininshed installing one of our Street Challenge kit on it. This kit includes our double adjustable front Shockwaves w/ upper and lower StrongArms, rear CoolRide w/ StrongArms and double adjusable shocks and front and rear MuscleBar sway bars.

This car rides soooo much better than it did before. And it handles awesome. I don't have any performance #'s on it yet, but I plan on taking it to a few Auto Cross's next year.

Here is some data from our annual Street Challenge at Putnam Park Road Course comparing a 66 Chevelle with a Street Challenge kit on it to a stock 67.


Stock suspension vs. air suspension comparison timing data

Car: 1967 Chevelle SS w/ stock suspension
Auto Cross Time w/ Boris Said: 37.36
Auto Cross Time w/ Scott Pruett: 37.67
Full Track w/ Boris Said: 1:39.00
Full Track w/ Scott Pruett: 1:43.27

Car: 1966 Chevelle w/ Air Suspension
Auto Cross Time w/ Boris Said: 32.23 5.13 second improvement
Auto Cross Time w/ Scott Pruett: 32.50 5.17 second improvement
Full Track w/ Boris Said: 1:26.10 12.90 second improvement
Full Track w/ Scott Pruett: 1:29.05 14.22 second improvement

2cool
Oct 18th, 06, 2:27 PM
Hey Darren my son and his buddies used solid bars with adjustable rod ends for their rear ends on mini trucks.
Would those be ok to use on a chevelles four link setup?
First thought, might be a little harsh on the ride huh?

2cool
Oct 18th, 06, 2:39 PM
Street kit $5200.00 bet those are flying off the shelve's.:clonk:

Beaux
Oct 18th, 06, 4:11 PM
Here is some data from our annual Street Challenge at Putnam Park Road Course comparing a 66 Chevelle with a Street Challenge kit on it to a stock 67.


Stock suspension vs. air suspension comparison timing data

Car: 1967 Chevelle SS w/ stock suspension
Auto Cross Time w/ Boris Said: 37.36
Auto Cross Time w/ Scott Pruett: 37.67
Full Track w/ Boris Said: 1:39.00
Full Track w/ Scott Pruett: 1:43.27

Car: 1966 Chevelle w/ Air Suspension
Auto Cross Time w/ Boris Said: 32.23 5.13 second improvement
Auto Cross Time w/ Scott Pruett: 32.50 5.17 second improvement
Full Track w/ Boris Said: 1:26.10 12.90 second improvement
Full Track w/ Scott Pruett: 1:29.05 14.22 second improvement

All NEW stock suspension or 30+ year old worn out suspension?

If all NEW stock suspension components - great, data is valid.

If old, well - your test is skewed and means next to nothing.

Not saying its bad or good (airbags) but if testing / data is put up.....

69malibu3speed
Oct 18th, 06, 4:52 PM
I just paid $749 to get the air ride suspension on my wife's 96 Lincoln Continetal changed to springs, (all four wheels). I like it a lot better now, it doesn't feel so disconnected from the road, and I don't need to worry about air leaks, compressor problems, load level sensors getting broken, etc.

Probably has little relation to an air suspension for a Chevelle though.

darren@ridetech
Oct 18th, 06, 5:29 PM
That $5200 is for the best of the best. You could pick up a really nice kit with Shockwaves & StrongArms up front and CoolRide & StrongArms in the rear with a nice comp. kit for around $3800. A nice econo. kit using stock arms with CoolRide front and rear will cost around $2500.

The 67 has been recently restored with all new bushings, springs, shocks and such. It has the factory sway bars under it. And yes, one could argue that we should compare it to a performance suspension instead of stock. Here are some #'s from the protouring.com/musclerides.com Auto cross down at Pigeon Forge last month.
Here's the top ten fastest runs.
STICKY TIRES:
Z06 Vette: 57.523 (Owner Shawn Willocks - Car#129)
4th Gen Vert: 63.334 (Owner: Chris McHarge (sp?)Car#73)
STREET TIRES:
1) 70 Air Ride GSX: 63.817 (Owner Bret Voelkel - Car#2)
2) 69 DSE Camaro: 64.107 (Owner Kyle & Stacy - Car#8)
3) 71 Air Ride Camaro: 64.186 (Owner Bret Voelkel - Car#52)
4) 67 Air Ride Chevelle: 64.318 (Owner: Bret Voelkel - Car#21)
5) 95 Camaro WS6: 64.920 (Owner: Matt Altamore - Car#16)
6) 89 Mustang: 65.239(Owner Brandon Wiedeman - Car#9)
7) 68 Twist Camaro: 63.947+1 = 65.947 (Owner: Steve Chryssos - Car#72)
8) LS1 RX7: 66.023 (Owner Andrew Borodin - Car#007) 3150lbs w/driver, 375 RWHP
9) 81 MuscleRides Malibu: 66.788 (Owner Bill Howell- Car #19)
10) 2001 Z28 Coupe 66.828 (Owner Ryan Jarrard- Car #24)

Beaux
Oct 18th, 06, 5:35 PM
That $5200 is for the best of the best. You could pick up a really nice kit with Shockwaves & StrongArms up front and CoolRide & StrongArms in the rear with a nice comp. kit for around $3800. A nice econo. kit using stock arms with CoolRide front and rear will cost around $2500.

The 67 has been recently restored with all new bushings, springs, shocks and such. It has the factory sway bars under it. And yes, one could argue that we should compare it to a performance suspension instead of stock. Here are some #'s from the protouring.com/musclerides.com Auto cross down at Pigeon Forge last month.


Here's the top ten fastest runs.
STICKY TIRES:
Z06 Vette: 57.523 (Owner Shawn Willocks - Car#129)
4th Gen Vert: 63.334 (Owner: Chris McHarge (sp?)Car#73)
STREET TIRES:
1) 70 Air Ride GSX: 63.817 (Owner Bret Voelkel - Car#2)
2) 69 DSE Camaro: 64.107 (Owner Kyle & Stacy - Car#8)
3) 71 Air Ride Camaro: 64.186 (Owner Bret Voelkel - Car#52)
4) 67 Air Ride Chevelle: 64.318 (Owner: Bret Voelkel - Car#21)
5) 95 Camaro WS6: 64.920 (Owner: Matt Altamore - Car#16)
6) 89 Mustang: 65.239(Owner Brandon Wiedeman - Car#9)
7) 68 Twist Camaro: 63.947+1 = 65.947 (Owner: Steve Chryssos - Car#72)
8) LS1 RX7: 66.023 (Owner Andrew Borodin - Car#007) 3150lbs w/driver, 375 RWHP

9) 81 MuscleRides

thanks for clearing that up.